On this Father's Day, while men across the land generate enthusiasm for a tie, or a clock in the form of a golf ball, illegal immigrants get a much juicier present from the New York Times in the form of a tear-jerker of an op-ed column. For the Times, there is, palpably, no subject that cannot be turned into an ode to illegality.In Impounded Fathers, Edwidge Danticat tells the stories of various fathers arrested and deported in ways that separated them from their families.
- There is the father from Honduras who was imprisoned, then deported, after a routine traffic stop in Miami. He was forced to leave behind his wife, who was also detained by immigration officials, and his 5- and 7-year-old sons, who were placed in foster care.
- The father from Panama, a cleaning contractor in his 50s, who had lived and worked in the United States for more than 19 years. One morning, he woke to the sound of loud banging on his door. He went to answer it and was greeted by armed immigration agents. His 10-year asylum case had been denied without notice. He was handcuffed and brought to jail.Story Continues Below Ad ↓
- The father from Argentina who moves his wife and children from house to house hoping to remain one step ahead of the immigration raids.
- The Guatemalan, Mexican and Chinese fathers who have quietly sought sanctuary from deportation at churches across the United States.
- The Haitian father who left for work one morning, was picked up outside his apartment and was deported before he got a chance to say goodbye to his infant daughter and his wife.
Ms. Danticat, the fault lies not with a government securing its borders and enforcing its statutes, but with the fathers who put their families unity at risk by breaking the law.
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Father's Day
June 17, 2007 - 05:54 ET by Cool ArrowFortunately Father's Day is an American Holiday not observed in other countries.
I don't remember NYT pitying American Fathers who went to work on Cinco de Mayo. We didn't call in sick so we could get drunk celebrating the one victory Mexico won in a war they lost to the FRENCH!
Cool Arrow, don't get me st
June 17, 2007 - 06:05 ET by motherbeltCool Arrow, don't get me started on Cinco de Mayo....this in a country where we are not allowed to celebrate Columbus Day any more....but we are encouraged to celebrate a Mexican holiday.....we are just SOOOO inclusive, aren't we?
I have many chuckles at Cinco
June 17, 2007 - 06:12 ET by UnsaneI have many chuckles at Cinco de Mayo. Do you realize how many people around Texas think it is Mexico's Independence Day?
(Have no fear. In San Antonio there is STILL the Battle of Flowers parade, and the city, including the schools, shut down for it. What does it commemorate? In an indirect way, it commemorates the Battle of San Jacinto; the battle where Texas won its independence from Mexico...)
MAKE WAY FOR THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS!!! THE 1999, 2003, 2005, AND 2007 NBA CHAMPIONS!!!!
Yeah, unsane.
June 17, 2007 - 06:21 ET by Cool ArrowAfter informing many of my coworkers of the real meaning of 'the battle of la Puebla' I got the following. It's a good reason to get drunk and party.
Never mind that the French ruled Mexico for 7 years after Mexico lost this war. Doubtless since it was the French ruling, little boys were very afraid.
Do you realize how many peo
June 17, 2007 - 06:47 ET by motherbeltDo you realize how many people around Texas think it is Mexico's Independence Day?
Yes, you would think they would know better. And even if it is, why in hell would we celebrate it here? Do you think they celebrate our Independence Day in Mexico?
You may be right with the beer thing...after all, look at St. Paddy's day.
Yes, I do realize that, but i
June 17, 2007 - 09:27 ET by UnsaneYes, I do realize that, but i just think it is funny that Cinco de Mayo is seen by some as Mexico's Independence Day. Nor can I really figure out why 16 September is commemorated here either...
But then, why to we commemorate 17 March here as St. Patrick's Day?
MAKE WAY FOR THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS!!! THE 1999, 2003, 2005, AND 2007 NBA CHAMPIONS!!!!
Yeah, how DARE the INS go a
June 17, 2007 - 06:00 ET by motherbeltYeah, how DARE the INS go around, poking their noses into people's lives, harassing them just because they are breaking the law!! These are liberals' favorite people....those to whom terrible things "happen." Never caused by their own actions.
I know this sounds cruel, but the first guy and last guys described should have just asked that their wives and kids be deported with them. Then their families wouldn't be split up. But deporting a whole family just doesn't convey the same pathos as a "the INS breaks up families" tale, does it?
The Illegal Plan
June 17, 2007 - 06:16 ET by Cool ArrowI think what happens in these stories that we don't hear is that these illegals came to America, discharged their weapons into American women and thought they were home free when the babies started coming.
You want fathers day go rea
June 17, 2007 - 06:41 ET by Right2thePointYou want fathers day go read this post and let it tell you about a fathers love.
http://www.blackfive...
The vid at the bottom of the post doesn't work, but here is a working link to it.
http://www.youtube.c...
I can only stand in awe of the love between this man and his son, but I can understand since I am the father and a widower who has a son with cerebal palsey and that kid is my best buds.
Seriously go read the post and then look at the video link.
You will never be the same again.
Leave it up to the NYT!
June 17, 2007 - 07:12 ET by goldenthroatLeave it up to the morons at the NYT to write such left-coast, bleeding-heart, 'do as I say, not as I do' liberal drivel!
We continue to lose jobs to Mexico, illegals are pouring in over our borders, then THEY tell US (United States) to suck it up and demand that WE learn THEIR language, provide THEM insurance and social security (which was only meant for REAL Americans), and educate THEIR children!
Then an "American" newspaper like the NYT writes in support of these lawbreakers by referring to them as "casualties"?
You've got to be kidding! The NYT makes no mention that they fly THEIR flag above the Stars and Stripes while picketing on OUR soil making these demands!
Ship them back over the border along with Geraldo and then secure the borders!
Never dance on an empty stomach unless it's a liberal.
"Paco woke up at 2pm and
June 17, 2007 - 08:45 ET by Mica the Magnificent"Paco the illegal alien woke up at 2pm and drove to the bar. He drank until his welfare check ran out at 1 in the morning. He staggered to his car and headed home.
He crossed the highway divider and wiped out a father and his two sons.
Paco survived, but walks with a limp. His hospital bill was paid for by the taxpayers.
He now gets a disability check on top of his welfare check."
Happy fathers day.
Apparently one at a time DOES
June 17, 2007 - 09:09 ET by BlondeApparently one at a time DOES work.
Well Boo-Hoo! I am such an
June 17, 2007 - 11:38 ET by happyuscitizenWell Boo-Hoo! I am such an evil American for expecting my government to do its job and enforce its laws that preserve its sovereignty and proof of my evil has appeared on Father's Day! Maybe the editorial staff should tune into the Discovery Times Channel and watch the documentary Chasing El Norte where it exhibits the "humane treatment" of these poor little urchins at the hands of Mexican Federal Police as they attempt to cross the Mexican Border.
Of all these sob stories, my favorite would have to be the asylum seeker being deported without notification? I think it is suspect and if you all would indulge me more along the lines of this pop quiz question:
What really happened with this asylum seeker?
(A) The applicant did not have a valid claim, and knew that he did not.
(B) Having this knowledge aforementioned applicant failed to appear for his hearing.
(C) After being notified several times, to appear in Immigration court he was ratted out by someone he crossed.
(D) All of the Above.
With all of the yelling and screaming of racism, xenophobia and whatever else by Geraldo, NY Times and the likes at US citizens, myself included, who want to their nations' laws enforced, this whole position goes against these Americans' sense of fairness. No one is better than anyone else in America, at least theoretically if you exclude the left in this country form this theory, and there is nothing more irritating to Americans, than someone who cuts ahead in line. Whether it is waiting for a burger at a restaurant, for tickets for a hot concert, to waiting in line for a legal visa it just irks us as a nation. Just look at the recent Rasmussen poll regarding illegal immigration:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/poll_voters_want_smaller_steps_to_immigration_reform_with_focus_on_enforcement
What this poll says is that the people want enforcement, and they want to know who is in their country at any given time.
With a secured border, the country can go about sorting out who needs to be here, and deserves to be here.
There is going to have to be give and take in all of this as much as I hate to admit it and some are eventually going to have to be given residency. So here is my response to John McCain's condescending "What's Your Plan?..." response to the New Hampshire voters. Not a smooth move when you are running for President of the people one exhibits such open disdain for, but hey, he is a "maverick".
Here is my plan for resolving the immigration issue since he has taken the approach that he and his esteemed colleagues will legislate to the American people what is good for them.
1. Enforcement first sealing both of the borders. Militarize it, there is a General in charge of the North American command to guard the homeland it can be done and it should be done. Those who claim that it would hinder commerce are ignorant of the fact that if one engages in legal commerce across the US borders then their goods have to go through border checkpoints and have valid bills of lading. The only commerce a secure border hurts is illegal commerce, i.e. drug trafficking, human smuggling, etc. Secure the borders first along with increasing enforcement within the borders. Finish the fence in between already well-established border crossing points. If the Militarization option is not palatable then establish a draft for the benefit of the Border Patrol. Personnel would sign up through Selective Service, and would only be used within the US. There are enough seasoned Border Patrol agents that would keep younger charges in line and keep them on the right path and have them doing the tough job. It is proved day in and out in the Armed Forces everyday that armed youngsters exhibit extemporary behavior on a daily basis. Offer a starting pay scale based on the military's and for those Border Agents already in uniform increased compensation. In addition, offer the participants a sort of GI Bill of benefits and I am sure that they would be inundated with applicants for the defense of the Homeland. Stop "sanctuary cities" from not allowing their law enforcement agencies from checking people's immigration status, and tie federal funding to compliance, get the law enforcement databases talking together. Get that Napster kid Shawn Fanning on this; we all have heard how well his music sharing software worked ;)! Those who argue fences will not work should look at what happened when Congressman Duncan Hunter funded fencing and how illegal activity dropped. Do not just fund the security proposals on paper implement the security proposals.
2. Deport all criminal aliens in custody. Certain exceptions to this would have to be those who have committed severe crimes i.e. murder, rape, child molestation, & drug kingpins. If their home countries will not accept them then as a "trigger", the US Govt. would withhold foreign aid; their attitudes will change in an instant. Money Talks. We would have to keep this riff-raff because there would be too many pro-bono bottom feeders of the Bar tripping over themselves trying to prevent a death row inmate from being deported because "they have rights". Those in the system, on probation or parole or time served, would also have to be reviewed for deportation based on the severity of their crimes. If the Senate legislation as it was written before it was stalled were to pass, gang members from gangs like MS-13 who are illegal immigrants will be allowed to apply for visas if they were here before January 1st, 2007 and "promise" to sign a paper saying they will not be in a gang anymore, scout's honor I suppose. Here is the rub; in order to become a citizen and have legal residence if you break the law while in your first five years before you are eligible for citizenship you are subject to rejection of your citizenship application and deportation and that is for legal immigrants. So why should not those who are already here illegally be subject to the same laws? We do not deserve the world's detritus.
3. Stop rounding up those here illegally on job sites, make the employers do the perp walk. One it is easier to find owners of companies, and the HR directors, and when a large number are doing time, again enforcing laws on the books, the jobs for those here illegally will begin to dry up, and they will not come in droves. Market forces will dictate that in order for employers to compete they will have to pay a prevailing wage in order to attract American workers. Those who are able-bodied can go to their local unemployment office and get leads on these jobs, go to work and in turn give the employer a tax incentive for hiring them. This could also decrease further dependences on government assistance and get many Americans in depressed areas that have been affected by illegal immigration back to work. Hell, I walked behind a tractor spot praying weeds in grass fields for my first job out of high school; thank god, I joined the service.
4. Implement a national ID system. The one thing we learned pre 9/11 is that government agencies were not allowed to share information. All information would coincide with a National Database such as one the national criminal databases are based on would enable the companies hiring to verify the legal status. This would greatly curb the false ID rackets, based on identity theft, all the while pricing the average Juan or Xuan out of the market, again discouraging them from coming, no job if you have no ID. These people are not the master criminals with deep pockets that Hollywood loves to write screenplays about.
5. Amend the constitution to clarify who is entitled to be classified a Natural Born citizen. The 14th Amendment of the Constitution gave citizenship to newly freed slaves. Although at the time it was done not as a noble act by Lincoln, it was give the finger to the South stripping them of slaves as property. However, today it could be interpreted that since we brought the slaves over here, it was our responsibility to recognize and absorb them into the country. This brings us to today. Anyone who gets here illegally or otherwise can have a child in our borders and then voila they are a citizen. I am not against children of non-citizen immigrants being born here being given citizenship, however, in order for this to be granted the parents must be in a legal visa status i.e. permanent residency or extended work visa, not a tourist visa, or seasonal worker visa.
This is where there will in my mind have to be some give and take in resolving the issue. Here are a couple of preliminary proposals regarding this matter.
-(A).Without penalizing the children, on a case-by-case basis, if the parents have broken the laws while here then they are still subject to deportation. Their children if not able to reside with immediate family in the United States would accompany their parents to their country of origin. However, there would be calls that the US government grant these families a monthly stipend in order to sustain these US citizens abroad until the age of consent at which time they could return. In most countries, the US dollar will afford them to live well and not in abject poverty. If it can be proven that the child's life would be in jeopardy then it would be a decision that the government must make again on a case-by-case basis.
-(B). This next proposal is a voluntary program not subject to review and non-negotiable. If the parents other than being here illegally have been otherwise law-abiding they should be allowed to stay in the country with their children on the conditions that they will never be granted citizenship themselves, not be allowed to vote, own a firearm and enjoyed the other privileges of being a citizen. They will still be granted due process and protection under the law. Their Social Security numbers will forever identify them as those who have been given amnesty for the sake of their children. They will not be allowed any tax deductions pertaining to dependents once their last child on record at time of their petition for amnesty was granted reaches the age of 18, or 22 if their income is taken into account of the US Citizen offspring's financial aid while going to college. A large number are "working poor", but once they are relieved of this financial obligation then such things as mortgage interest, earned income credits, etc will not apply. They should be then taxed at a percentage of 30% with no refund as a fine payment for breaking the laws. This goes for every adult that came here illegally whether they ethnicities are Irish, Mexican, Nigerian, Chinese, Indian, or anything else. They broke the laws as adults and their children should benefit from full participation while they should not.
6. The language of the United States government and of the country should be officially made English. This increases assimilation; there is too much accommodation all under the banners of multiculturalism. All immigrant populations that have come over the years have learned the language to the best of their abilities, and made sure that their children did as well. This is also a requirement for US citizenship along with the knowledge of US history that if you were awake in your class in grade school and high school you should know, but hell most Americans don't. In addition, English as a Second Language, ESL, in school should be scrubbed, total immersion is the best way to learn in addition to having an extra tutoring or whatever is needed so that they may learn with additional tutoring as an "after school" program. People would say that method is not workable and not encourage the immigrant to learn English; however the example I always give is that although there have been protests of immigrants in France in recent months, when you see the press coverage their signs and chants are in French! Instead, what we get is immigrants protesting in anything but the prevalent language of our nation, proving what many Americans regard, as they do not want a part of us as a nation, and people. This is not bigotry or xenophobic to ask of those that come to your country to learn the language, and to integrate oneself into the country.
The recurring theme with all of these examples is that they are in the shadows and in fear and it is the fault of the American people. Well guess what the onus lies on their shoulders they knew what they were doing when they came here they broke the law and again they brought this pox on their children. The response to that question can only be explained as the silence is deafening. Other than those with hollow arguments to match their heads that scream racism, because they know they have no leg with which to stand on this debate. Myself and those like me who just want the laws to be applied fairly.
Right now I am watching Fox News Sunday. The panel is talking about the new go round in the Senate, and Juan Williams, a usually thoughtful lefty (by the way his book, Enough: The Phony Leaders, Dead-End Movements, and Culture of Failure That Are Undermining Black America--and What We Can Do About It, is really well written and insightful), is crying about how punitive the fines are, and how terrible it is for the those here illegally having to touch back. It will be back on tonight 6pm EST for those of you who missed it. Charles Krauthammer is on the panel and he is close to where I am with the issue of Illegal immigrants, although I do not agree 100% with him on all points. He wrote a good op-ed this Friday.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/06/we_agree_on_border_security_do.html
Well folks, I am sure that there are some that would dismiss my plan outline as simplistic and not realistic, however at least I have though about it and not just laid down and let a detrimental piece of legislation get passed. To the elitists I may be dismissed as a simpleton, to them I say you may try to dismiss me out of hand, but I am an American, and I am a registered and active voter.
Number 3 is the key. And we
June 17, 2007 - 12:04 ET by mattmNumber 3 is the key. And we don't need new legislation to do it.
happyuscitizen--
June 17, 2007 - 12:28 ET by misterbillhappyuscitizen-- First--excellent treatise--well written--why the heck doesn't the Senate throw away their 700-800?? pages and just use yours?
Second - My disagreement with you, I would toss out the window in a flash, if Congress would accept your post as a bill and pass it.
My disagreement lies with anchor babies--I do not think America can continue to grant citizenship because the child is born here. I hold this to be true even for legal entrants with work permits.
I am a strong advocate of "Attrition by Enforcement" and your post covers that very well.
Watch out for yourself, if you were in my state, I would have to do a write-in for you at the next election.
Lastly , I accuse you of having great common sense--this may get you in serious trouble if you go to the halls of Congress. LOL (but not REAL funny.)
PS Mattm's comment is true-whywon't our government enforce our laws???
Let me just clarify what
June 17, 2007 - 12:48 ET by happyuscitizenLet me just clarify what I mean for those in a work visa status:
Those on H-1 technical visas that are professionals and usually here for several years, have been vetted through background checks and are sponsored by employers. Also they usually are granted an accompanied status where a spouse accompanies them and in some cases are entitled to work once also, and do not require social services of any kind other than receiving a Social Security Number and Driver's License. These visa holders establish roots and pay taxes from the get go. After being here for a number of years legally and they have a child here, then I would have to argue that natural born citizenship status could be applicable to this child.
This does not apply to temporary worker visas, i.e. seasonal workers, that do not entitle family members to accompany the visa holder.
As for holders of permanent residence visas (Green Cards):
These people have been screened and are beginning a new life in the US, therefore any offspring are entitled to natural born citizenship.
As to why they do not enforce the law is because up until now most Americans have not objected and have not been aware. This was a primarily border state issue for most of mainstream America.
It wasn't until the marches on May 1st, the Commie's big holiday, aka May Day, with their flag waving of everything non-American, and when the US flag was flown it was flown upside down. What's that all about? Don't they know that Commies suck and Americans don't generally like them? Wrong horse to hitch the wagon to if you ask me.
A side note we've gotten th
June 17, 2007 - 12:20 ET byA side note we've gotten though these comments without a Tumbler rant, in the words of Joe Walsh - - - -"Ah that's a so nice"
Nice tune there, Bruce.You ou
June 17, 2007 - 13:53 ET by BlondeNice tune there, Bruce.
You ought to send it to Spiff. He'd enjoy it.
And not to derail the thread, but I heard that Joe Walsh is going to do a concert here...after listening to your link, I think I just may have to go. Thx.
The smoker you drink, the player you get!
Spiff mentions Clapton on his
June 17, 2007 - 14:02 ET bySpiff mentions Clapton on his profile. This cut is from Clapton's 'Crossroads Guitar Festival' DVD. Spiff must have it some of the performers: Clapton (of course) Robert Cray, Buddy Guy, Jimmie Vaughan (SRVs bro), B.B.King, Joe Walsh, Vince Gill, J.J.Cale, Carlos Santana, John Mayer, John McLaughlin, Steve Vai, Eric Johnson, and that lil ole band from Texas Z Z Top.
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Nice list.I've never seen Rob
June 17, 2007 - 14:09 ET by BlondeNice list.
I've never seen Robert Cray live, but I have a bunch of his CD's.
Good DVDI'm waiting for the N
June 17, 2007 - 14:15 ET byGood DVD
I'm waiting for the NYT to do a piece on how enforcing the laws on murder, rape, extortion etc breaks up families.
Also where is the exposee on how deportation reunites families for all those who send Billions home.
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Hey, wait a cotton pickin min
June 17, 2007 - 14:22 ET by BlondeHey, wait a cotton pickin minute, Bruce.
Doesn't enforcing the laws on murder, rape, extortion, etc. break up American families too? You know, when they send the perp to the big house?
I like your reunification theme, as long as they're reunified there, rather than here.
Doesn't enforcing the laws on
June 17, 2007 - 14:28 ET by Dave RDoesn't enforcing the laws on murder, rape, extortion, etc. break up American families too?
Something tells me that is where the MSM will be going next, and they will make their case by employing the "what about the children?" cry we have heard so often.
Yes, law enforcement breaks u
June 17, 2007 - 14:32 ET byYes, law enforcement breaks up families.
And I am continually amused how 'homeless' people can send money home.
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
But illegal immigration is go
June 17, 2007 - 14:38 ET byBut illegal immigration is good for families?
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
McConnell--just sent an email--
June 17, 2007 - 14:59 ET by misterbillMcConnell--just sent an email--told him he is not listening to the voting public or his constituents. Told him the compromise is "selling out America".
Everybody with a PC needs to send, send, send. They keep sneaking behind our backs--we need to keep showing them we are watching them.
Misterbill, Did you mention t
June 17, 2007 - 15:13 ET byMisterbill, Did you mention this information?
If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
The alien murders
June 17, 2007 - 15:20 ET by Cool ArrowProbably a reason that statistic is so hard to pin down, don't you think?
Yeah, i tried to locate the r
June 17, 2007 - 15:25 ET byYeah, i tried to locate the reasoning behind the figure of 12 per day (it originated with Representative Steve King and he only takes e-mail from Iowa) At the same time I believe there is an agenda to not collect data. The article does speak to the 'various estimates'.
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
botg--and Steve King--
June 17, 2007 - 15:31 ET by misterbillbotg--and Steve King--was slammed by geraldo and the famous tumbler and a couple of other MSM hoodlums. They all charged his numbers were false.
Wouldn't it be nice if accura
June 17, 2007 - 15:38 ET byWouldn't it be nice if accurate info was kept.
Why is it NOT kept?
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because===
June 17, 2007 - 15:51 ET by misterbillbecause=== If you read Fredo Arias-King's article on Center for Immigration Studies, he explains the gap between the American citizen's attitude and the quite different attitude held by members of Congress. I have tried to get folks to read and comment on it. It is one of the best I have read. Never got one acknowledgment that it was read and whether agreed or not.
here
MisterAbout a week ago you po
June 17, 2007 - 15:57 ET byMister
About a week ago you posted this and as i remember ther were some comments as to it's excellent analysis
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botg thanks for the reply--
June 17, 2007 - 16:00 ET by misterbillbotg thanks for the reply--I am not on each time for more than few minutes, as I was before. My wife works for the school district and is now home for the summer break. Can you spell honey-do???? I must have missed the reponses. I am glad people read it.
It further added to my recent aversion to GW Bush's domestic policies.
botg-- I had listed some numbers from various sites--
June 17, 2007 - 15:25 ET by misterbillbotg-- I had listed some numbers from various sites--it was last fall. It was a time period when I dropped out for a while--I felt I was wasting too much time arguing with Tumbler and missing what was happening with immigration and no one seemed interested at the time.
This from state Sen hollingsworth (CA)--was --
June 17, 2007 - 15:36 ET by misterbillThis from state Sen hollingsworth (CA)--was --pooh-poohed by the MSM and generally ignored--it is an excerpt from a longer article by the Senator. If I recall correctly--tumbler trashed the Senators knowledge and accused him of racism . Accused me of the same for entering the data on the site.
"Statewide, the numbers are even more alarming. Recent figures from the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation found that illegal immigrants comprise over 11 percent of the inmate population at prison facilities across the state. These undocumented criminals are adding to an overcrowding problem that has prompted an irresponsible movement for the early release of dangerous criminals.
Even worse, California will spend upward of $750 million this year to process and house illegal immigrants who commit crimes in California, costs that are supposed to be reimbursed to the state treasury under the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program. Unfortunately, we receive only pennies on the dollar back from the federal government, leaving state taxpayers stuck footing the bill for Washington's inability to protect our borders and keep Californians safe. We hope our bipartisan congressional delegation can work together to change that in the months ahead.
But the problems with illegal immigrants and crime are not just confined to our jails and prisons, they are being played out in our neighborhoods every day. In 2004, the North County Gang Task Force reported arresting 408 gang members who committed crimes in our community. Of that total, 260 were illegals!"
In regards to Illegal Immigra
June 17, 2007 - 12:38 ET by dmntd1In regards to Illegal Immigration of criminals, and the 'comprehensive immigration reform bill', I think we need to talk to our local plumbers about 'comprehensive basement leak/flooding'. I think anyone of them would tell you it's useless to mop and pump out the basement while the watermain is still pumping out 4-10 gallons per minute.
We need to stop pretending to come up with a comprehensive bill, and start with the obvious. Seal the leak. Remove 3/4 of all US Border Patrol agents from the border. Replace them with 3 times the number of US military troops to stem the influx. Then, while the US Army (hey, the National Guard has two weeks training every summer, how about that training take place on the US Border, and instead of summer, rotate them throughout the year?... but I regress...) While the US Army is sealing the border, the US Border Patrol is able to stake out raids throughout the country.
Many say that 'deporting 12 million people is', chose your definition... impossible, impractical, goofy, silly.... I think we won't have to deport but a couple hundred thousand of them if we do this correctly. Multiple high-profile raids on large US employers will put the fear of deportation in many times the numbers that actually get arrested/detained. Then, inform the employers that anyone in Human Resources/Personnel that had any hand in the hiring of the Criminal Aliens will face felony charges and a great deal of Criminal Aliens will voluntarily deport themselves.
I really think that questioning others' masculinity is a game probably better left to people who haven't had more cock in and out of them than a Tyson Chicken regional distribution center. AceOfSpades 06162007
dmntd1- I truly like happyuscitizen's proposal--
June 17, 2007 - 12:54 ET by misterbilldmntd1- I truly like happyuscitizen's proposal--also mattm points out that #3 of happy's proposal is already a law. What you and the rest of us are describing is "enforcing our laws".
Like you, I am constantly irritated by people saying that the removal of 12 million people is "impossible". Some others use the expression "too complex" to do. If the silly B%$^&*ds would listen to common sense, once again, "attrition by enforcement" would do the job. I am reminded of a letter in the Atlanta Constitution by a young lady who flew from Atlanta to California. She could not understand why America could not let in millions more because when she looked out the window of the plane she saw miles and miles of open land which could handle all the immigrants who want to come here. She is the kind of person who stands for illegal immigration and significantly increasing leagl immigration. I wouldn't let her make change for a dollar.
I keep wondering if we could file a lawsuit against Chertoff (or Congress) for refusing to do their SWORN duty and uphold our laws. With all the daffy lawyers we have in America, surely thermust be a couple who could pick up this cause and advance it.
"It's toooo hard&quo
June 17, 2007 - 12:59 ET by"It's toooo hard" - - - - most every first grader and the US government
DmtdAs I've mentioned before,
June 17, 2007 - 12:57 ET byDmtd
As I've mentioned before, the companies that have the most SSI numbers that do not match the name should be the first to be raided. It is a good bet that if someone is using a fake social security number that they have engaged in criminal activity (I think by definition). Fine the companies per person and this enforcement becomes self-funding. The govt already has the information!
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
I've actually been tempted to
June 17, 2007 - 13:02 ET by dmntd1I've actually been tempted to advertise SSN/Name matching to local companies, but was informed that I would be wasting my time. Those that hire potentially Criminal Aliens wouldn't hire me because than they would KNOW they're illegal. The others don't hire them if there is even the potential for them being here illegally. And yes, if they've used a fake Social Security Number, they are guilty of Identity Fraud/Theft.
I really think that questioning others' masculinity is a game probably better left to people who haven't had more cock in and out of them than a Tyson Chicken regional distribution center. AceOfSpades 06162007
botg - I agree with you w
June 18, 2007 - 02:32 ET by thefightinggopbotg - I agree with you wholeheartedly about fining the employers and using those proceeds to fund the program!
I did a post of an illegal immigration plan of action that was actually a compilation of comments from this blog and many others.
Step No. 4: Fine employers - If you fine employers $500 per illegal/day, they’ll get rid of them. Those who don’t , will end up funding the Anti-Illegal program via fines.
Step No. 5: Have IRS collect the fines - Open a special ICE Division of the IRS to enforce and collect the fines. When it comes to money, no one is feared more than the IRS…especially if you’re paying “under the table”.
A commenter also suggested:
Step No. 3: Treat those who forge legal documents just like drug dealers. Except the forgers would forfeit their assets to ICE.
The American people are very smart and Washington would be well-advised to read these blog comment sections to see just how serious their constituents truly are on this issue.
thefightinggop.org
Tancredo says NO
June 17, 2007 - 13:35 ET by LionKingTom Tancredo finally got an amendment to a Homeland Secuirty bill which will cut off federal funds to sanctuary cities.
lion ---read about it late last night--grrrrrreat!!!!
June 17, 2007 - 13:39 ET by misterbilllion ---read about it late last night--grrrrrreat!!!! Now if we can get tjhe miltary to remove all facilities and federal assistance from San Francisco, that will be another great step!!!!!
Add New Haven to the list.
June 17, 2007 - 13:56 ET by RJAdd to that list The People's Republic of New Haven. The city government voted to take it to the next level by issuing I.D. cards for illegal aliens.
BTW, the mayor of New Haven was a candidate for Governor of CT. Had he won, he'd surely be pushing for state I.D. cards for illegal aliens, and our far, far, way far left state legislators would have slavered all over the opportunity to show how much they "care." The only reason they don't do it now is that the Republican governor would veto it.
RJ--the citizens of CT are in the fight of their lives--
June 17, 2007 - 15:02 ET by misterbillRJ--the citizens of CT are in the fight of their lives--over abuse of the eminent domain law in America. Property is being seized and then assigned to private enterprise.
I am convinced that before long there will be an uprising in America. People are getting fed up with the robber barons and special interest elected officials we have in power now.
PS check tancredo's bill--passed last night--no more money for New Haven from the feds.
Check; Kelo vs New Lond
June 17, 2007 - 15:05 ET byCheck; Kelo vs New London
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
this congress and this president and this SCOTUS
June 17, 2007 - 15:16 ET by misterbillthis congress and this president and this SCOTUS are undermining all the basic freedoms of this country. I do not blame GW Bush alone.The Congress and the courts are owned by special interest groups. I have been a NBer for almost a year. My plaint has not changed--we are being destroyed from within.
The people that are doing it to us must have some kind of a new form of government in plan in which they will hold supreme power.
<sarc> Like Barons of the NAU or similar.
PS A year ago when I said some of these things, little did I know I would wind up including those supposedly on the right!
Reason for deportation: they
June 17, 2007 - 14:43 ET by Airforce_5_OReason for deportation: they were ILLEGAL in the first place!
NYT look the word up, it might give you a clue.
Pat Buchanan--excerpt
June 17, 2007 - 16:22 ET by misterbillPat Buchanan--excerpt from his blog on vdare:
"It is about globalism—and about greed. And, as the Bible says, love of money is the root of all evil. But they have a problem. The nation has begun to awaken to the reality that the vision of the global corporation and the transnational elite cannot be realized without the death of the American republic. And so they are in a fight that is long overdue."
It's been said before, and I'
June 17, 2007 - 17:40 ET by RedGuyBlueStateIt's been said before, and I'll say it again: Why not deport the entire family?
Sorry Geraldo, try selling that garbage somewhere else.
"This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it."
-- Fred Thompson as Admiral Josh Painter (The Hunt for Red October)