Chris Matthews grew "verklempt," he said, on Wednesday night’s Hardball, as he pondered how a class reunion made plain for him that some people watch him every night, and trust him like people trusted Walter Cronkite. From there, Matthews and his guests took up the subject of objectivity in journalism:
Ana Marie Cox, Time.com: "I also want to say that this idea about voice being very important to the current viewer and, and Eugene’s right that it’s true, that this idea that we should be aiming for objective truth in, in journalism is a relatively new thing for us."
Chris Matthews: "I agree."
Cox: "And I think what’s important is that people trust, they could trust an unbiased [sic], they could trust a biased source."
Matthews: "Okay, this country was built on biased reporting."
Cox: "Yeah."
Matthews: "Common Sense by Thomas Paine built this country and it was a point of view -- better independence than British rule. There’s a point of view!"
"This country was built on biased reporting" ought to be played repeatedly as a Matthews motto. It certainly helped Matthews build Senator Jim Webb!
The history of this argument seems mangled on several fronts. First of all, Thomas Paine was a pamphleteer, not a newspaper man. He was more philosopher and rabble-rouser than reporter. Second, on the philosophical front they briefly touched on, the concept of objectivity is at least 100 years old now, not a recent invention. It was not done for the purposes of good citizenship. It was done as a strategy to sell more newspapers than a partisan newspaper would, to readers on just one side.
But when we at MRC attack "biased reporting," we are not saying that reporting facts with a point of view is bad. We’re not saying that National Review can’t have a fantastic article because they’re not sworn to be objective. We’ve always focused on those media outlets describing or implying themselves as objective. We're saying mangling facts in a partisan fashion and pretending you don't have a point of view is the worst combination.
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.




















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Great point that Thos Paine w
June 15, 2007 - 22:05 ET by dahliatraversGreat point that Thos Paine was not a reporter but a pamphleteer, and a skilled one at that.
trust him like people trusted Walter Cronkite
Did Walter drool on himself ...?
If it was or not at least our
June 15, 2007 - 22:07 ET by USA4freedomIf it was or not at least our own news people were not rooting against our own country like they are now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Open season on RINOS!!
These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day
I agree ADHThese are the
June 15, 2007 - 22:07 ET by USA4freedomI agree DAH
These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day
I wasn't aware that Colonial
June 17, 2007 - 16:23 ET by zfI wasn't aware that Colonial America even had reporters to begin with. Thanks for pointing out this obscure historical fact, Mr. Matthews.
Colonial America
June 17, 2007 - 16:27 ET by Cool ArrowI'm thinking Alexander Hamilton was about the nastiest journalist imaginable.
In those days they really called each other names
So, Tim what I think you're t
June 15, 2007 - 22:09 ET by drillanwrSo, Tim what I think you're trying to say is what we all have been saying ... and what Matthews should have said was, "Yes, I am biased ... MSNBC and NBC and perhaps even all other news medias are biased ... The critics were right."
Chances are we'll all see a real UFO before we see those pigs fly.
Hmmm let me get this right,
June 15, 2007 - 22:14 ET by USA4freedomHmmm let me get this right, these are the same people who call Fox bias..??
It like the Democrats that believe that we could not have any morals because they don’t.
We ask our bad apples to leave they make sure they stay- Jeffords DEMOCRAT LA.
These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day
Objectivity in reporting is a fallacy
June 17, 2007 - 20:30 ET by TBinSTLObjectivity can be attempted but never really attained. The problem is when one bias is over-represented. The days when every town had multiple news papers representing different views died with the arrival of "News Wires". All the media outlets start with the same framework now.
'This Country Was Built on
June 15, 2007 - 23:43 ET by kg'This Country Was Built on Biased Reporting'
Well that was a major understatement. Look where we are today in the US. Sad.
Was Chris Matthews really ded
June 16, 2007 - 00:18 ET by maggieqpublicWas Chris Matthews really dedicating a program segment to the discussion of media bias as a vaunted American tradition? Tooo much.
He’s gone from moderating a quality (the best, really) political opinion show to hosting a program with a bootlicking panel.
Matthews is in love with the
June 16, 2007 - 00:33 ET by stratmanMatthews is in love with the sound of his own voice and the odor of his own flatulence. 'Incessant Bloviation' is too kind as a description of him.
Everyday, the Left is further emboldened to come out of the closet and let their freak flag fly. This will come back to bite them in their posterior.
Patience, grasshopper.
stratman, emboldened to come
June 16, 2007 - 00:51 ET by maggieqpublicstratman,
emboldened to come out of the closet and let their freak flag fly…. would love to hear a Hardball guest accuse Chris of flying his freak flag. You must be young (reminds me of something one of my twentyish kids would say). Very funny.
David Crosby of Crosby, Still
June 16, 2007 - 13:01 ET by stratmanThanks for the comments and enjoying the archaic reference.
David Crosby of Crosby, Stills & Nash penned in his song "Almost Cut My Hair" about not cutting his hair so that his freak flag (long hair) could fly. Freak Flag was/is a metaphor for being a hippy, being a liberal, being a revoluntionary.
Back then I had long hair. Then I grew up.
Chris Matthews is a liberal with a bully pulpit for displaying his disdain for one half of America, the conservative population. He, like other liberals, is further emboldened every day to spout off some jingoistic pablam that placates the Left, now a corporation and a religion unto themselves. They have become that which they so long denounced. Alas, it will get worse before it gets better.
Somebody photoshop Matthews w
June 16, 2007 - 13:27 ET by drillanwrSomebody photoshop Matthews with a freak flag ... Would make a great First Aid treatment when "Induce Vomiting" is prescribed.
I do have a real one of Tim R
June 16, 2007 - 13:48 ET by stratmanI do have a real one of Tim Russert with his freak flag and Fu Man Chu going on while enrolled at John Carroll University. The Jesuits should have boxed his ears on the spot. http://rapidshare.com/files/34734835/IMG_0005.jpg
strat,Double check your link,
June 16, 2007 - 13:54 ET by Blondestrat,
Double check your link, please.
I, too, loved the "freak flag" reference. I heard it while watching some insipid movie, but it stuck with me...thanks for the origins of the term.
That's why I love this site...I learn the most interesting (and sometimes totally off-the-wall) things here.
H ey, Blonde! I think you mig
June 16, 2007 - 13:58 ET by drillanwrH ey, Blonde! I think you might be onto something. How about a NB's version of Trivial Pursuit?
Trivial Pursuit
June 16, 2007 - 14:01 ET by BlondeWorks for me....we could have all kinds of cool categories:
Trolls, Tag Lines, Stupid Pols, Lemming Leftists, Chrissy Matthews....the list could go on and on.
BTW, check your pm.
My pm???
June 16, 2007 - 14:11 ET by drillanwrMy pm???
Private Message function here
June 16, 2007 - 14:14 ET by BlondePrivate Message function here at NB.
Over on the right, under your account, find "view inbox"....you'll find a message from me there.
OH! Okay. Thanks.
June 16, 2007 - 14:16 ET by drillanwrOH! Okay. Thanks.
Kinda apropos of nothing what
June 16, 2007 - 14:19 ET by BlondeKinda apropos of nothing whatsoever, yes?
:D
Blonde:Click the link, scroll
June 16, 2007 - 16:16 ET by stratmanBlonde:
Click the link, scroll towards the bottom and click on "FREE".
On the next page scroll down midway and enter the alphanumeric code displayed where it says "HERE", then click the download button. You should now see the image.
Do you know of another way or site to host pictures for this forum?
Thanks, strat...that was wort
June 16, 2007 - 16:33 ET by BlondeThanks, strat...that was worth the hoop-jump.
I have no idea how to make it work any better for that site, but had you not explained it...I'd have not been able to see it. But it was worth the effort.
Some sites are like that.
I'd recommend to all my fellow NB's to follow strat's instructions...it's worth it!
That's right, Chrissy...you
June 16, 2007 - 00:39 ET by motherbeltThat's right, Chrissy...you're just following the great American news tradition...bias. That's what made journalism great in this country. Then please explain why Journalism schools try to teach objectivity...notice I said try...obviously it doesn't always take. Are they against the Great American Tradition of Biased Reporting?
You're really stretching there to try to justify your bias. Do you plan to speak out next in favor of the great American tradition of mudslinging in elections? After all, this country was built on some pretty ugly political and personal attacks, back in the day....
Matthews personal career wa
June 16, 2007 - 01:12 ET by daveinbocaMatthews personal career was built on biased reporting and this narcissistic specimen of grandiosity projects himself onto the USA---his egomania knows no boundaries!
Just another autistic anchor of a cable news show in the last year of its shelf-life, hopefully.
Matthews himself was never a
June 16, 2007 - 08:22 ET by Gat New YorkMatthews himself was never a journalist. He was a political operative and is now a political commentator. But at no time was he ever a journalist.
Neither was Thomas Paine. Paine was a lot of things including an author and intellectual. But he was at no time a journalist.
Regarding Matthews and his repugnant comment that “this country was built on bias reporting.” I would refer him to two definition:
Journalism: the discipline of gathering, writing and reporting news by:
Yellow Journalism: To exploit, distort, or exaggerate the news to create sensations and attract readers
Want to know the mindset of t
June 16, 2007 - 08:59 ET by drillanwrWant to know the mindset of today's "journalists"? Ask them, or ask the young women and men going off to "journalism" schools, why they chose that profession.
I would bet my house the majority of them, if not nearly all, would spout, "Because I want to make a difference."
Make a difference? Your job is to inform the public, not change the frakking world! You want to make a difference become something else. Trash collectors make a huge difference. Don't think so? Just ask anyone who has lived in NYCity during a garbage strike. Or how about those folks who work down at the water sanitation/sewage department? (I personally can't live without those folks!)
I may be wrong but my concept of "journalism" and news "reporting" is to answer a handful of questions in order to give the viewer/reader the facts laid out in a story: WHO? WHAT? WHEN? WHERE? HOW? and if possible WHY?
It's what I was taught in broadcasting school. I remember "sexing up" a story here and there in class, getting it back with all the [sex] crossed out with red ink. Seems to me all you hear/see/read today is all the "sexing up" and very little, if any, of the primary questions answered above. Today's news is pretty much journalistic porn ... and people like Matthews are the Ron Jeremy of the business, with his prominent member percked atop his slouched shoulders ...
Talk about spin! Talk about j
June 16, 2007 - 09:38 ET by iveseenitallTalk about spin! Talk about justification and rationalization! The liberals have been and are wrong on just about everything. From government, to education, to "jounalism", to families and child rearing, to drug use, to sexual relations, to the justice system, and more--- it all turns to crap once modern liberalism gets involved. Just today there is an article about the various individual, ethnic graduation ceremonies taking place on campuses in California. No more unity left there. And, of course, plenty of resentment and hostility. So much for "multiculturalism". Matthews is a typically screwed-up liberal who probably never had his bottom slapped. He's been spitting ( literally ) his garbage out for years and refuses to accept that he is ever wrong. He's a poster boy for adolescent liberalsim.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
"This country was built
June 16, 2007 - 10:59 ET by mattm"This country was built on biased reporting." I think he was talking about Nazi Germany or The Soviet Union or North Korea or....
The fact that he is trying to justify biased reporting proves that MRC and NB, among others, are making it increasingly difficult for the MSM to continue their charade of objectivity.
Manipulating coverage in a partisan fashion and pretending objectivity is the definition of bias, and it's what has been wrong with the MSM for decades.
Biased FOR AMERICA
June 16, 2007 - 11:18 ET by Lame CherryDear Mr. Matthews,
Apparently in your ignorance and associating with people suffering from brain atrophy called liberals, you do not quite understand due to your college liberal uneducation what reporting or news was which built America.
In the chaotic days of forming the United States, there were many yellow journalists like yourself and Moveon.org who printed absolute lies about Thomas Jefferson fathering a black child to Andrew Jackson's beloved wife being an adulteress. That all though responsibly disappeared, except for embers in the Indian rebellion when leftists who were making money selling Indians guns "took up their cause" to make money off of them until they are money sucked dry.
It resurfaced again in leftist attacks were leveled at General Patton in World War II from communist and nazi agents who knew Patton was the greatest general in perhaps history they would have to face.
In responsible news then, the bias was always pro United States, pro United States government and pro the virtues of God, family and morals. That is a bias which was good for America in a world of European press printing all sorts of horrid lies about Americans.
See Mr. Matthews, George Washington and every founding father according to the British was a traitor, but American news did not call him nor any of the founders a traitor.
See Mr. Matthews, Abraham Lincoln was a tyrant according to Europeans bent on the destruction of the United States for trampling on southern states rights.
That was their bias as they hated America for the reason of it's liberty of citizens and self government. The current media with only your lifetime of office space experience became all anti American under Walter Cronkite which is NOT building America, but tearing down and apart the United States.
Your ideas Mr. Matthews have caused almost 7 million American babies to be destroyed in aborticide. Your ideas Mr. Matthews now have illegals imported to do the dirty jobs you don't want to do so you can keep your money instead of paying a good wage to Americans. Your ideas Mr. Matthews has borders so undefended that terrorists are pouring into the United States.
Your ideas Mr. Matthews are liberal and are going to foment an attack upon the United States by our enemies, to which you will blame a Republican, call for a massive crackdown as riots by illegals ensue and destroy the rights all Americans hold just because you want to keep safe in your million dollar home.
You are ignorant Mr. Matthews of the facts as much as the entire NBC and MSNBC corporations are ignorant. You should have been fired over a 100 things you have ranted upon in being rude to Michelle Malkin to this lie that Walter Cronkite and your bias built the United States.
You Mr. Matthews are destroying the Republic of the United States. You Mr. Matthews are the complete problem in using slander to gain power instead of abiding in fairness of choosing a government by the ballot box instead of by "propaganda coup".
Shame on you Mr. Matthews.
With all disrespect intended as John Wayne would say, LC
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As you point out, the left constantly miss the point
June 16, 2007 - 11:28 ET by c5thenThe left are constantly missing the point of NB and other media watchdogs. It's not that haveing a viewpoint is wrong it's that it should be fully disclosed in the interest of fairness and accuracy. If you are going to quote from two groups in an article on a controversial topic, don't label one group and not the other.
The left are uncomfortable in disclosing their biases and instead would rather pretend that they have none.
"Common Sense" published by Thomas Paine was one factor in hudreds that pushed 50% of the population of the "Colonies" to decide that independance was a viable and better alternative than the status quo. It was not a daily news publication that purported to contain news. These people like Matthews and cox are definitely not smarter than a 5th grader.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic
Biased Journalism in History
June 16, 2007 - 19:34 ET by nkviking75Matthews is right, to a point. Early newspapers in this country were biased, but openly so. They didn't pretend to be objective. Also, the media outlets of the time were not nearly so concentrated. There weren't any national media outlets dominating journalism the way today's media does.
The First Amendment encourages opinion journalism. But it depends on the freedom to express a wide range of opinion. Right now we have a number of politicians, most (but not all) Democrat, actively working to silence opposing points of view. From the Fairness Doctrine proposal to Democrats refusing to debate on Fox News to actors refusing to be interviewed by Fox News to cities refusing to run emergency information by a Rush Limbaugh affiliated radio station, there is a concerted effort to neutralize so-called "right wing" media outlets. The more they try to silence the right, the louder the right needs to be.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
\b{"Second, on the philo
June 17, 2007 - 16:16 ET by zf"Second, on the philosophical front they briefly touched on, the concept of objectivity is at least 100 years old now, not a recent invention. It was not done for the purposes of good citizenship. It was done as a strategy to sell more newspapers than a partisan newspaper would, to readers on just one side. "
Too bad that the "evil" profit motive seems to be dead.