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I dunno, Jack.  Some of them may have been converted - think of the vegan craze that some teens got into a couple of years ago.

Um... Junk Science, Junk Science, Junk Science, Junk Science.

There, I feel a whole lot better.

If you read, steve2007, you might want to do some research on this site.  You could actually search on the term 'junk science' and get a whole lot of hits (don't know because I haven't done it).

We've been talking about the 'junk' in the GW science for two years now.

So, when you can defend any one of the 'models' being used to predict the climate today in any manner that makes me listen closely, then I'll listen.

But until the models can incorporate Chaos, Strings, Quantum and preciptiation (that's right rainfall) into their machanizaitons, I'll bow out of their silly predictiions.

ACA

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Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

Steve,

You object? Excuse me, who are you to object to someone here using a common expression for the nonsense being espoused about global warming as junk science?

As we have been discussing this issue here since the website began, you might do some research on your own as to why most NBers see this as such.

Furthermore, all of the scientists that I am regularly in touch with claim it to be so, and I believe it's safe to say that I have regular contact with far more people who are studying this issue than you. In fact, I would venture to guess that you probably couldn't name one scientist who is on the record concerning this junk science save Mann and Hansen without doing a web search.

As such, please take a step down from your high-horse when you proclaim an objection.

As for what qualifies this as junk science, I will name a few reasons:

• The math involved in determining a 0.7 degree rise in average global temperatures during the past 100 years has been shown to be faulty and arbitrary
• Much of the data involved in alarmist rhetoric conveniently ignores signficantly warmer periods in the planet's history before the industrial revolution
• Said data also ignores similar warming currently occurring on other planets in our solar system not impacted by man's production of CO2
• CO2 is indeed a necessary gas for life on this planet, and we would be far worse off if we began to see it disappear
• The means by which temperature data around the planet are collected has changed over the decades as have the procedures for analyzing said data
• The calamitous conclusions presaging imminent doom are based on models without any verification of future accuracy created by people that can't accurately predict whether it's going to rain tomorrow, and can't accurately forecast tomorrow's precise highs and lows across the globe. As such, why would you care about their predictions decades out?
• There is strong evidence suggesting that contrary to Gore's assertion, it is warmer temperatures that are causing CO2 levels to rise. Therefore, the popular conclusion about CO2 causing rises in temperatures appears totally fallacious

There are but a few reasons to view this all as junk science. I'm sure others here will offer additional ones hopefully above the din of your objections.   ns

Real science doesn't shut off debate.  Real science doesn't rush to a conclusion while much of the evidence is still coming in.  Real science doesn't stubbornly stick to its conclusion in the face of mounting contradictory evidence.

Hey look, folks. It's taking its constitutional again on our boards. Think it can clean itself after it's done with the single square of toilet paper one of its heroes suggests is all that's required and, more to the point, necessary to solve global warming?  :-)   ns

AHA!!!!   So, there it is!  What you REALLY want is to screw those Hyper Evil Big OIl Companies!!!

I take it then, that you will join me in advocating a switch to nuclear power?  It works for 78.5% of France's electric needs...

Oh, and thanks for admitting your intellectual bankruptcy by using the term "climate change".  See, it is MUCH better to use that term, so that you guilt-ridden Leftists can blame even the slightest drop in barometric pressure (or increase) on the First World, capitalism, and above all, the United States. 

By the way, so what if the "vast majority" of scientists believe...anything?  Since when did science turn democratic?  The "vast majority" have also been dreadfully wrong, as Copernicus (with the later backing of Kepler) proved, for ONE example. 

MAKE WAY FOR THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS!!!  THE 1999, 2003, 2005, AND 2007 NBA CHAMPIONS!!!!

This is a bit long, but....

"The vast majority of the world’s climate scientists hold positions on global warming that are much closer to Al Gore’s than to the people here who continue to shout about "alarmism" and "junk science."

Taking: Did you ever consider that the majority these scientists, many of whom are NOT climatologists, may be garden varity quacks with the same liberal socialist agenda as Algore? "Experts" built the Titanic, didn't they? And in the 15th century everyone just knew that the world was flat and also the center of the universe except for a few visionaries who thought otherwise at the risk of being considered crazy, a fool, or a heretic. So the positions held by these esteemed and hallowed "experts" don't necessarily impress me simply because they, as has their rotund icon, Algore, admittedly reached a scientific conclusion based on nothing more than consensus and just skipped all the really hard stuff to get there. That ain't how we do science! But who cares about facts, even scientific facts, when dealing with liberals; it's the "feel good because we care" image that's important.

No doubt it's all baloney, and the solutions that the Globaloneyists demand that "we" adopt to "save the planet" ("we" as in nasty, greedy, affluent America; other offenders get a pass) are silly, impractical, destructive, and untenable. Ergo, if the idea is based on guilt, emotion, and total lack of scientific discipline, and then adopting a position which shuns and bars all discussion and debate then you have what people here rightfully call "junk science". Unfortunately, many of the great unwashed will believe this crap because many are also unread and gullible. Regrettably, they know more about Paris Hilton than who are their elected officials IF they bother to vote at all. And, to get people to listen up, nothing works better than scaring the crap out of them with hysteria and End-of-the-World scenarios, what people here rightfully call "alarmism." (especially on kids: read the effect on the young automatons at http://pressherald.m... )

"Ever wonder why conservative websites that try to debunk global warming keep quoting and mentioning the same five or six scientists?"

C'mon only five or six? Try more like several thousand, and they've already done a great job at exposing the weaknesses and the hoax in Algore and his minion IPCC scientists' so-called argument. (even though the debate is over...) Use your search engine to find a wealth of information on how Antropogenic Global Warming (or is it "Climate Change" now? Your buddy Al keeps changing things around again) is largely speculation, hysteria, and nonsense. You'll find more than just 5 or 6; there's even a 15 year old high school student who wrote a paper on how the earth goes through warming and cooling cycles with or without our very existence. Why isn't her work trumpetted on the PMS-NBC or CNN, or, better yet, have her debate Dr. Heidi Cullen, the great censurette, of the Weather Channel? I know: the sends the wrong non-PC message. The debate is over.

Moreover, the AGW myth is simply the latest vehicle used by the liberals and Marxists around the world ( and in our own country too) to impose western European style socialism on America and to impact the American way of life. Whether it's militant environmentaliam, the animal rights nutbags, the dumbing-down of our kids in public school system, the feminization of our culture, malignant multiculturalism, etc., the objective is always the same. The socialists have wanted to cut us down to size for decades; they want us to answer to the UN , bow to some bizarre Stalinesque World Court, and, most of all, they just want our money (as in yours and mine) through Carbon Taxes and other penalties simply for being the best. End-of-the-World Global Warming hoax is the best one yet. Unfortunately, many of our politicians are on board with it. Watch them closely; you probably already know their names.

"...That’s because the "contrarian" ranks are getting pretty thin. Just because you don’t like Al Gore doesn’t make him wrong about everything."

Again I'm a bit confused as to why you think that the "Contrarian" ranks are thinning. Could it be that the "Contra-contrarians" which make up the left-leaning "America's Always Wrong" world wide news networks and other shining examples of journalistic malpractice here at home simply and systematically ignore and censure the inconvenient and troublesome Contrarian viewpoint? Out of sight, out of mind; ergo again: there is no debate, and the Contrarian ranks are now almost non-existent, so it is reported. I thank the Lord everyday that we are blessed with alternative sources in which to educate ourselves and to arm ourselves with facts to use against the propaganda and indocrination of the fascists in the information industry.

Regarding your buddy, Algore, and how badly he's treated here: consider the fact that this guy has lied, fabricated, re-invented himself, and has sucessfully propagated the biggest doomsday farce since Orson Well's 1938 airing of The War of the Worlds. If Algore told me that water was wet I wouldn't believe him!

Algore is also one of the world's classic sore losers, and he showed the world the real Algore when he tried to make a mockery out of the 2000 election process and its laws. He behaved like a spoiled, coniving, arrogant, self-serving, deceitful, whining crybaby and a complete buffoon when he lost the 2000 presidential election, and that has been his legacy. He obviously is trying desperately to shed that image with his new one: the self-anointed Crusader of Climate Change. Unfortunately, this blubbering, bloated gas bag will always be remembered for the way he conducted himself during and after the 2000 election, and that will be his legacy.

"These corporate socialists, in turn, do everything they can to portray global warming as a myth, while throwing sand in the gears of every effort to move toward energy choices that make us less dependent on petroleum.

Corporate socialists do this? I thought that it was the socialists and Marxists with the aid of radical environmental groups such as Green Peace, Friends of Earth, etc, who serve to perpetuate the AGW (or ACC) myth to advance their agenda, not to dismiss it as such. They like the feel-goodness over non-petroleum fuels, but don't even think about saying the word "nuclear" to them!

Yet conservatives—always quick to express their love of freedom—

And what is wrong with that? If we allow our misguided politicians and other America haters to have their ways we might not have "freedom" anymore.

...seem quite content to continue the dependency and yell "socialism" when anyone tries to mount a serious discussion to how some form of government-corporate partnership might help move us to a more sensible, secure array of energy choices that could improve our national security AND protect us from the negative impacts of climate change. Oh, no. So much easier to keep yelling "junk science" and "alarmism."

Unfortunately, in order to sustain ourselves as we are accustomed to, there is persently NO substitute for petroleum! This is not to say that we should not explore other avenues, but windmills and solar panel farms for electricity are just another PC feel-good fantasy at least for now. They simply cannot sustain us....and they're ugly!

Except for what Algore and his gang of IPCC lackies telling us about CO2 from fossil fuel causing impending climatic doom, case yet very unproven, you know what most people here think of them, we must consider accessing the oil reserves on our own soil, building new refineries and electric generating power facilites, and exporing for more oil reserves in the Gulf of Mexico and elsewhere. We must do what is non-PC and listen to reason for once.

We need to do this now before Communist China and other questionables lay claim to it in the Gulf as they are presently drilling there. Curiously, the lamestream news, Contra-contrarians, and radical environmental maniacs are strangely silent about this, and, apparently don't care about the dire environmental impact.( Maybe not, but I haven't seen anything negative over it.) The debate is over: it's only big news if the evil, greedy Americans do it because they'll just go in there and kill everything and poison the surrounding ocean, correct?. By doing so, we can become less dependent on foreign oil. The only ones who are preventing us from doing this is the radical environmental socialists.

We also need to quit kidding ourselves over nuclear energy for electric power. No new power plants or oil refineries have been built since the mid-1970s because we allowed environmental nut-cases to set policy. It's time to face reality and to amend that mistake. France gets 90% of its electricity from nuclear power, and if they can do it safely certainly we can. Again, the only ones who are preventing us from doing this is the radical environmental socialists.

Alternate fuels for our cars? Americans are not going to stop driving their automobiles; that's a fact and the whiny hand-wringers need to deal with it. There is presently nothing on the market which will replace gasoline and diesel and still allow us to sustain ourselves. It will be a long time (decades? perhaps almost another century) before petroleum will no longer be used as the fuel of choice to power our cars. So if we need to develope alternate fuels, but, and you just watch, as soon as we seriously consider one, the same radical environmental socialists will find some reason why we can't do it and will attempt to block us once more. I'm so tired of their BS.

It's high time that we put these misfits in their proper places and do what's correct for ourselves and our country.