A quick hit this morning, as I'm on the road . . . Question for our readers, astute observers of the political scene that they are. Scanning the news this morning, you see a report on the latest presidential poll. John McCain has lost over 1/3rd of his support. What's the first thing that pops into your mind? OK, the headline here is a hint, but isn't it obvious that McCain's pro-amnesty stance has hurt him badly among Republican voters? Well, apparently not so obvious to Tim Russert. Here's how it went on this morning's "Today."
TIM RUSSERT: John McCain's lost eight points since April, Matt.
MATT LAUER: What's wrong with his campaign?
RUSSERT: Well, he's having some fund-raising problems and I think Fred Thompson's presence is starting to draw folks away.
View video here.
A classic case of confusing cause and effect on Russert's part, no? What explains McCain fund-raising woes? Why did Thompson, testing the waters, find them friendly? Because -- as would seem obvious -- McCain's belligerent advocacy of the amnesty-first immigration bill has demolished his support among Republicans. But for whatever reason, Russert failed to connect the dots.
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Why is money always the rea
June 14, 2007 - 08:32 ET by Sergeant ROCKWhy is money always the reason? It wouldn't have anything to with his message, right? I didn't know that conservatives were unhappy with the current field of Republicans because of their finances? So, does that mean that Thompson has more money than the rest? What gives?
I read last week that a lot o
June 14, 2007 - 08:39 ET by vrwc13I read last week that a lot of Republican donors had been waiting in the wings, many of them came out to support Thompson right after his "outing" on Drudge.
Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore
Sure, I can understand that
June 14, 2007 - 08:45 ET by Sergeant ROCKSure, I can understand that.. but, the way the reporting is framed, it's as though this guy or that guy has so many percent because of his bank account - not for what he stands for.
Money has a lot to do with it
June 14, 2007 - 09:13 ET by vrwc13Money has a lot to do with it. A lot of good candidates carry low numbers because they do not have the money. On the otherhand, hillary, and Romney carry a lot higher percentage of support right now because of their money.
Alot of politics has to do with name recognition. The more money the better chance your name has been heard in one form or another. An old adage of politicans is "get your name in print, good or bad, for people will forget the why but remember the who."
Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore
Huh? How does that find it'
June 14, 2007 - 09:19 ET by Sergeant ROCKHuh? How does that find it's way into these polls? Are they asking 'In your opinion, who has the most money in the current field?' As opposed to who will you vote for? I think that you're missing the point.
No, my point is that after wa
June 14, 2007 - 09:33 ET by vrwc13No, my point is that after watching "real" (not some of your msm fairytales) polling for many years, in the details is a not so well known catagory where the poll asks a question like:
Early on responses to the above were highly on answer c. It took a lot of money to get where he is today.
Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore
That's because Obama Bin Ba
June 14, 2007 - 09:42 ET by Sergeant ROCKThat's because Obama Bin Barrack is the current media darling, not because he came in with millions of dollars from the gitgo. Of course, the result of this FREE media coverage has garnered him more money.
I'm not discounting the fact that money has an impact on opinion, just that it's not the driving force as the MSM alleges. Like in this case.
I am afraid we will just have
June 14, 2007 - 09:52 ET by vrwc13I am afraid we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. It's a noble thought to think that we elect people based on the "best man for the job", but (and I could get a lot of mail for this one) one family that comes to mind that would have never had its role in American politics that it has if it was not for tons of money - kennedy...
Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore
I agree that you're missing
June 14, 2007 - 10:27 ET by Sergeant ROCKI agree that you're missing the point.
I'm with ya Rock...the Repubs
June 14, 2007 - 11:14 ET by TruthMongerI'm with ya Rock...the Repubs always raise more money then the Dems - looks kinda bad for the value of the Dem platform - so what's a Dem to do? Take a hard look at the Dem platform and fix it? Naaaah. Do "news" stories that make money look evil! Let's "get the money out of politics!" McCain Feingold...
McCain's problems are strictly due to his positions. He's a RINO. A true newsperson would report this correctly. But we all know how hard it is to find one of those...
BTW Obama's "free" publicity so far has literally been worth about a billion dollars...
And you'll note that money
June 14, 2007 - 11:17 ET by Sergeant ROCKAnd you'll note that money has never been an obstacle to FREE, most often favorable, coverage of media darlings like McInsane and Obama.
Free you say...just follow th
June 14, 2007 - 11:32 ET by vrwc13Free you say...just follow the money. All the "freebees" get payback, and in turn favors. As my Dad used to say "nothing is free, you pay for it somewhere"
Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore
Follow what money? Why woul
June 14, 2007 - 11:40 ET by Sergeant ROCKFollow what money? Why would there be payback when you are part of the liberal agenda? You have it backwards.
Obama's "paying for it&q
June 14, 2007 - 11:45 ET by TruthMongerObama's "paying for it" - he's an MSM bootlicker now...if he wants to keep getting on the frontpage of snoozweek and time anyway...
I think you have it backwar
June 14, 2007 - 11:50 ET by Sergeant ROCKI think you have it backwards too. If you were talking about Dick Cheney getting favorable coverage for a price, then you might have something!
Has nothing to do with politi
June 14, 2007 - 12:36 ET by vrwc13Has nothing to do with political party and everything to do with politics.
Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore
(and I could get a lot of mail for this one)
June 14, 2007 - 11:07 ET by misterbill(and I could get a lot of mail for this one) you may be correct. One would hope that it would all be in agreement with what you said. I certainly agree. The mindless voters of MA continue to "prove" their "unbiased lack of prejudice" by repeatedly re-electing that obese sinner, Teddy and sending Barney Frank and Gerry Studds to the Congress. I have not singled out the latter two for their sexual preferences, which is their business, but rather for their sexual escapades. Frank's DC boyfriend use Frank's DC abode as a trysting place for homosexual prostitution. Studds had an affair with an underage boy. The hero worship of Kennedy (all of them) is unexplainable.
Money that is the way the MSM
June 14, 2007 - 17:03 ET by general companyMoney that is the way the MSM sees it, the more cash they have the less the MSM can do about their exposure. They never talk about the second tier candidates, because they are purposely controlling their air time. And yes, it should be obvious that the Dems get free and more positive press. Why else would we need News Busters
The real bias is in a news
June 14, 2007 - 08:33 ET by sarcasmoThe real bias is in a news media that tries in concert to pretend either of those 4 sets of 4 numbers adds up to anything close to 100%, especially this early in the race. As we've repeatedly-seen, I'm used to busting this kind of bias at this point. I'm easily doing it now one-handed and -- as Limbaugh says -- with half my brain tied behind my back.
JMR
I have been waiting for a mor
June 14, 2007 - 08:34 ET by vrwc13I have been waiting for a more "conservative" candidate to rise from the pack. Is Fred Thompson for real?
Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore
I think Romney is about as &q
June 14, 2007 - 11:16 ET by TruthMongerI think Romney is about as "electable" a conservative as your going to get - the victors always need moderates in order to win the election...
You may be right, but I perso
June 14, 2007 - 11:25 ET by vrwc13You may be right, but I personally cannot get past his "religion". With that said, and all the mail to follow, if hillary is his opponent, she'll kill him with them feminist view versus (gulp) his religion's point of view on women. I think that's why the dems are secretly hoping for him as their opponent.
Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore
I'm an evangelical protestant
June 14, 2007 - 11:37 ET by TruthMongerI'm an evangelical protestant and I'm just fine with Romney in the oval office...don't tell me you're concerned about the polygamy...
No, it's "secret/scared&
June 14, 2007 - 11:43 ET by vrwc13No, it's "secret/scared" stuff. Studied a lot about faiths other than the one you and I subscibe to. The more you know, the harder it is to believe. Trust me we do not want to go there, here. But "They" (the libs) will if/when it becomes necessary.
Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore
What are you afraid that Ro
June 14, 2007 - 11:46 ET by TruthMongerWhat are you afraid that Romney might try to do in office - worst case scenario...?
School prayer?
June 14, 2007 - 11:51 ET by Sergeant ROCKSchool prayer?
Dear God-----
June 14, 2007 - 11:55 ET by misterbillDear God-----prayer--Oh, not that. The next thing you know. they will be encouraging our youth to live good, clean, moral lives. How dangerous!
Exactly. Kids need to grow
June 14, 2007 - 12:02 ET by Sergeant ROCKExactly. Kids need to grow up 'crack heads' so that they can wander the streets of America without a care.
pray for our schools please!
June 14, 2007 - 11:57 ET by TruthMongerIn my dreams...so what has Romney done so terribly bad as the Mormon governor of Massachussetts? The MSM would surely have organized all of their summer entertainment around it by now - news, weather, sports, prime-time tv, films, etc...
I would be more comfortable
June 14, 2007 - 12:00 ET by Sergeant ROCKI would be more comfortable with him had he been governor of any other state.
He was RE-ELECTED governor of
June 14, 2007 - 12:04 ET by TruthMongerHe was RE-ELECTED governor of that state - that's almost God like - maybe his Mormon ways ain't so "whacky" after all:)?
Exactly my point. How is it
June 14, 2007 - 12:09 ET by Sergeant ROCKExactly my point. How is it that happened in such a state? And how is it that lard @ss Kennedy keeps getting re-elected? Something doesn't add up here.
I see Romney as a conservativ
June 14, 2007 - 12:16 ET by TruthMongerI see Romney as a conservative person of faith, and a problem solver...I see his re-election there as a plus for the badly-needed conservative movement in MA...
The Kennedy family is royalty in MA - you can always put a Kennedy sticker on a turd there and sell it for $100...in fact that's probably how Ted gets re-elected...
However, it is not unreason
June 14, 2007 - 12:20 ET by Sergeant ROCKHowever, it is not unreasonable to be a little wary of Romney because of shifting positions on the issues. Maybe having Alan Keyes or John Bolton as a running mate would make him more appealing?
Yes I'm wary of him, too...ev
June 14, 2007 - 12:24 ET by TruthMongerYes I'm wary of him, too...everyone actually...good policy...
He will need a southern running mate - Thompson would qualify and shore up Romney's conservative shortcomings very nicely - not perfect but nothing ever is...
I suspect that this is Fred's and Mitt's plan...
Being wary of any politico is intelligent
June 14, 2007 - 12:51 ET by RJBeing wary of any politico is intelligent. I have doubts about all of the contenders, including Thompson, but will vote for any of them against any of the socialist fools the Democrats will put up.
As for Romney, my main concern is that some of Jeb Bush's staff have joined him. That makes me worry that Romney shares the Bush family attitude toward immigration.
You know the pres could be mo
June 14, 2007 - 13:03 ET by TruthMongerYou know the pres could be more on board with proper immigration policy if the spineless Repubs in congress grew some stones...it's not a one-man job
A new prez won't solve that problem...
Disagree, TM
June 14, 2007 - 13:25 ET by RJDisagree, TM. What we are seeing is the real George Bush. He's been dragging his feet on the border all along and in the face of a true uprising against him that stiffened the spine of more than a few Republicans, he's coming back for a second shot at his amnesty bill.
Hi RJ - I have to disagree
June 14, 2007 - 13:32 ET by Dee BunkHi RJ - I have to disagree here. The real George Bush told us from the start that he wanted a guest worker program so I don't think anyone can fault him on that. He ran with it out in the open both times. I happen to agree with him on the guest worker thing. I know I'm probably the only conservative on here who does, but I have yet to see any type of realistic solution to the problem from conservatives.
No disagreement, Dee
June 14, 2007 - 13:40 ET by RJNo disagreement on the real GWB, Dee. I said he's been dragging his feet on the border all along. This bill just confirms again what he believes.
Yes, we'll probably have to do something like a limited guest worker program, but not before making a serious attempt to fix the border and to enforce current laws. In any event, the current bill is just a giveaway of the Republican Party and of America.
RJ
June 14, 2007 - 13:34 ET by TruthMongerwhat is Bush's motivation right now?
I would say his legacy, but I
June 14, 2007 - 13:36 ET by florida_chadI would say his legacy, but I think he really believes in his plan.
TM --RJ
June 14, 2007 - 13:36 ET by misterbillI am with RJ all the way on this one. To my surprise and disgust, this has been Bush's plan all along.
"Even though the Mexican political class is notoriously corrupt, they can often count on stronger support in Washington than can several more worthy world leaders who are genuinely attempting to reform and improve their countries. The history of the Bush family is symptomatic."
Fredo Arias-King
MisterBill - Bush has always
June 14, 2007 - 13:41 ET by florida_chadMisterBill - Bush has always talked about a guest worker plan. Its not new, 9-11 just stopped it for awhile.
fc...You are correct...Presid
June 14, 2007 - 13:48 ET by bigtimerfc...
You are correct...President hasn't changed a lick about his views...you are also correct about it being slowed since 9-11...and that is exactly when any thinking President would of shut the damned borders...COMPLETELY...with few exceptions...until this whole danged invasion could be stopped....
We had an opportune time with National Security....and lost it....PC, msm, and lobbyist wise that is.
I couldn't agree more bigtime
June 14, 2007 - 13:53 ET by florida_chadI couldn't agree more bigtimer. The border should have been closed to illegal immigration when the repubs had control of congress. If they had done that they would still be in control IMO.
Sgt. Rock...Excellent running
June 14, 2007 - 12:35 ET by bigtimerSgt. Rock...
Excellent running mates you mentioned...both of them.
I too have mentioned here John Bolton would be excellent...plus it would be priceless after what has been done to him in the press and in the Senate.
This country would get straightened out fast if he had two terms, and a Congress that would work with him...but none of that is to be....unfortunately for us all.
Anyone who has followed Keyes forever as I have, knows what the leftists in the msm have done to him.
I voted for Keyes. He moppe
June 14, 2007 - 12:42 ET by Sergeant ROCKI voted for Keyes. He mopped the floor with the others in those debates. I like Bolton, he pulls no punches and is tough. At the very least, I would have him as Secretary of State or Defense.
Of course, you'll be faced with the 'sure, he's a good guy, but he can't win' crowd. Because, you see, it's more important to win than anything else.
sarge...learn from the past
June 14, 2007 - 12:49 ET by LionKingsarge...I understand the dilemma. Do you remember Bob Dole? A TRUE War Hero and a very decent man. He probably deserved to be elected POTUS. His problem was that he was not charismatic enough. It's crap and it's not fair...blah,blah,blah...but that is reality.
All of that to say this...ELECTABILITY is important. Winning is important, because of the cost of losing.
But you left out the most i
June 14, 2007 - 12:58 ET by Sergeant ROCKBut you left out the most important thing - he was no more conservative than GWB.
Another turn-off was his alleged staement about it being his turn to be President.
What I'm tired of is being stuck with the lesser of two evils every election. And the idiotic thinking behind vote for the guy that can win.
true conservatism
June 14, 2007 - 13:02 ET by LionKingSarge...look to the Constitution Party for true conservatism. I would love it if they could become a serious factor. Until we have term limits, it will always be the lesser of 2 evils...TOO MUCH PORK in DC !!!
Yeah, I've taken a look at
June 14, 2007 - 13:08 ET by Sergeant ROCKYeah, I've taken a look at them. I think we would be better off if we can over-throw the current GOP leadership and put conservatism back on the front burner and end the capitulation to the left.
Dole was indeed a true war
June 14, 2007 - 13:04 ET by sarcasmoDole was indeed a true war hero, but he was a bit too decent to Archer Daniels Midland to also be decent to taxpayers like me. I voted proudly against him, by voting for the Libertarian "NOTA" choice.
JMR
Sarc--Dole may have been shot
June 14, 2007 - 13:28 ET by ncstevemSarc--
Dole may have been shot during WWII but I certainly don't consider him a 'hero'. He's a political hack who became a multi-millionaire 'working' for the government. The country would have been better off if the Nazi who shot him had a better aim. The same is true for McCain. Wish he never made it out of Hanoi. Both are pieces of trash as are most politicians.
I've seen, and actually got
June 14, 2007 - 13:35 ET by sarcasmoI've seen, and actually got to shoot, the kind of machinegun Bob Dole experienced that day, and it's very impressive. I don't think those of us who weren't there should try to deny his heroism, or McCain's, just because we disagree with their subsequent politics. Politics is a separate issue. IMO it's a miracle Dole survived that lead-hose. I managed to knock-over a water heater instantly using only part of a belt... My problems with Dole centered on corn subsidies. Sadly for US taxpayers today, that's another of yesterday's battles I lost.
JMR
Gross, TruthMonger
June 14, 2007 - 12:21 ET by Cool ArrowThe mental image of the lips that dropped that chaw is disgusting.
ROCK--I referenced this in a previous post--
June 14, 2007 - 12:44 ET by misterbillROCK--I referenced this in a previous post. The people of MA, for some inexplicable reason, feel a strong need to do things that they believe show that the are not prejudiced, bigoted people. Witness girl killer Teddy, Barney Frank, Studds. It is a compulsion to challenge the possibility that they may be prejudiced. The predominant religion in MA is Catholicism. I know it is a syllogism, but therefore they must elect a non-Catholic to show we are not prejudiced, they must elect the first ever black man to the Senate (Brooks), or so they claimed that he was first,etc, etc. I left a long time ago. Many of my old friends (and I still love them) were and are beneficiaries of the MA spoils system and the contacts are all through the Kennedy political machine.
One other experience I will share--while back in Boston on a 2 year assignment, I had two workmates (a man and a woman) encourage me to have a homosexual affair so that I would understand there was nothing wrong with homosexuality. I never had expressed an opinion. I do not know why they brought it up with me. Go figure!
They weren't successful, we
June 14, 2007 - 12:50 ET by Sergeant ROCKThey weren't successful, were they???
sergeant----no--
June 14, 2007 - 13:14 ET by misterbillsergeant----no--you silly you (limp wristedly.) I am and have been a very happily married man. I must admit that the woman was quite attractive and I was thinking of a con job by saying, "well let's start with the hetero half of this first."
Actually my rejoinder was not particularly brilliant. I asked them what they thought of suicide and I told them they would have to try it before they passed judgment on it.
Ok then.. I'm relieved to h
June 14, 2007 - 13:17 ET by Sergeant ROCKOk then.. I'm relieved to hear that (some others on here are probably envious of you though).
Your guess is as good as mine
June 14, 2007 - 11:53 ET by sarcasmoYour guess is as good as mine...
JMR
Truthmonger, Sarc has part of
June 14, 2007 - 12:00 ET by vrwc13TruthMonger, Sarc has part of it right in his link. I am not quite sure what he would do in office...has more to do with the "ends justify the means" in both his political and personal life.
Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore
So who's a better candidate t
June 14, 2007 - 12:02 ET by TruthMongerSo who's a better candidate then Romney on any of that?
That's what the primaries are
June 14, 2007 - 12:26 ET by vrwc13That's what the primaries are for, unfortunately some of the more qualified conservatives are at the bottom of the polls.
Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore
IMO this guy. (Hey, you ask
June 14, 2007 - 12:57 ET by sarcasmoIMO this guy. (Hey, you asked!) And Reason is, as usual, right about Wolf Blitzer needing to watch and learn -- Colbert's excellent "raise your hand" questions SHOULD be posed to the entire sorry bunch, but it won't.
JMR
Thanks sarc...I guess we'd al
June 14, 2007 - 12:01 ET by TruthMongerThanks sarc...
I guess we'd all pull Reagan out of the grave if we could but it's not an option...
Didn't read anything there about Romney pushing polygamy, etc...
Seems to be a story about Romney smarting up from his old RINO ways...
No, it's more of a story th
June 14, 2007 - 12:58 ET by sarcasmoNo, it's more of a story that rightly -- albeit disturbingly -- compares Romney to Edwards.
JMR
What kind of bigoted whisper campaign is that?
June 14, 2007 - 12:01 ET by RJ"Trust me, we do not want to go there here."
vrwc13, what kind of bigoted whisper campaign is that? Say it openly or stop making dark, sneaky allusions.
I didn't understand vrwc's co
June 14, 2007 - 12:13 ET by SouthJersey1953I didn't understand vrwc's comment either.... Does he think Mormons are women haters?
vrwc, don't elude to something unless you are willing to back it up.
No RINOs in '08 - Thompson/Hunter would be a good ticket; Thompson/Steele would be a great ticket
here
June 14, 2007 - 12:23 ET by vrwc13here
And you're afraid that this
June 14, 2007 - 12:26 ET by TruthMongerAnd you're afraid that this might be part of Romney's plans for the US Government?
No, just like you and me clai
June 14, 2007 - 12:31 ET by vrwc13No, just like you and me claim our faith is our most important attribute, underlying all we do, or at least we try to do, he is very likely to feel this way about his faith. To me that's scary, again the "ends justify the means". This issue is a ticking time-bomb in the hands of the libs.
I see.. you're part of the
June 14, 2007 - 12:35 ET by Sergeant ROCKI see.. you're part of the winning is the most important crowd?
Not at all, I am for the righ
June 14, 2007 - 12:41 ET by vrwc13Not at all, I am for the right person, one who supports:
and you?
Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore
I voted for Alan Keyes beca
June 14, 2007 - 12:52 ET by Sergeant ROCKI voted for Alan Keyes because he was the right person. What about you?
vrwc13, you are a bigoted fanatic
June 14, 2007 - 12:40 ET by RJAnother of your hate the Mormons sites, vrwc13. Do you spend a lot of time "studying" up on Mormonism, so you can hate better? Clearly, you're a bigoted fanatic.
Sorry RJ this is public recor
June 14, 2007 - 12:50 ET by vrwc13Sorry RJ this is public record with noted LDS references, my Bible says the truth should not be hid. No secret stuff with my Jesus.
Right on vrwc
June 14, 2007 - 12:55 ET by Cool ArrowNow let's go after those churches that condone Masons and Knights of Columbus.
We know what they're really about, huh?
I am right behind, er right w
June 14, 2007 - 13:03 ET by vrwc13I am right behind, er right with you. They are here too.
Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore
vrwc13, you doofus! Riled One was mocking you.
June 14, 2007 - 14:11 ET by RJvrwc13, you doofus! Riled One was mocking you....but you jumped right in and gave us another of your fear-and-hate-mongering sites. You spend a lot of time learning to hate, eh?
Funny thing is, you and Debra behave more like "cultists" than anyone on this board. ;^>
Thanks RJ
June 14, 2007 - 14:18 ET by Cool ArrowBut I was revelling in having so easily zinging one over his head.
Correction?
June 14, 2007 - 14:19 ET by Cool ArrowHaving so easily zung one?
zanged?
June 14, 2007 - 14:21 ET by RJHaving so easily zanged one?
Zing Zang Zung
June 14, 2007 - 14:24 ET by Cool ArrowForgot the rules of verbal declension. Thanks, I thunk.
Ya know RJ, my Jesus would no
June 14, 2007 - 14:48 ET by vrwc13Ya know RJ, my Jesus would not like me calling others names, apparently yours doesn't mind. As far as hate, hate the sin love the sinner. Don't hate you RJ, just think you are mis-led on a path that leads to an eternity you are not counting on.
You guys have to lay off vr
June 14, 2007 - 14:57 ET by The Wicked ConservativeYou guys have to lay off vrwc13. Speaking out against mormonism is similar to speaking out against homosexuality. Both are a mindset/behavior that according to Christian doctrine leads to an eternity in hell. If vrwc speaks out against it because he's concerned about the eternal destiny of someone he's acting in love. If another is willing to say go ahead with your destructive behavior they are complicit in the sinners damnation. Who's the hateful one again?
The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.
This isn't really a thread fo
June 14, 2007 - 15:01 ET by TruthMongerThis isn't really a thread for a detailed theology debate...
Bigoty is "love?"
June 14, 2007 - 15:02 ET by RJBigoty is "love?" Jeez, sounds like 1984...
Yeah sorry RJ i'm just not
June 14, 2007 - 15:08 ET by The Wicked ConservativeYeah sorry RJ i'm just not comfortable with watching people march off to an eternity in hell without trying to reach them with the truth. If you call that bigotry then fine I'm in some super company with Jesus, Paul, and the other apostles.
The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.
Trying to convert people to
June 14, 2007 - 15:18 ET by Conservative VoiceTrying to convert people to your faith isn't bigotry, disagreeing with another faith isn't bigotry. However, not voting for someone who is of a certain faith ( especially if they are just as conservative as you are line by line ) is bigotry, not hiring or working for someone of that faith because of that faith is bigotry.
To be a bigot you have to be prejudice and be intolerant. I am intolerant of many things...doesn't make me a bigot. I can be prejudice of many things...doesn't make me a bigot. If you are judging people by their fruit, then you aren't being prejudice.
That's a frivolous comparison, WC
June 14, 2007 - 16:17 ET by RJTsk. That's a frivolous comparision, WC. I doubt Jesus, Paul or the other apostles would have concerned themselves with which politicans had which religion for purposes of voting. If you're going to put yourself in their class, you'll have to shun politics entirely.
Mormon Doctrine is akin to
June 14, 2007 - 16:03 ET by Conservative VoiceMormon Doctrine is akin to Homosexuality? Wow
I'm sorry vrwc13
June 14, 2007 - 14:57 ET by RJI'm sorry, vrwc13, that you are a doofus.
So your cult disapproves of "name calling?" tsk. I remember you doing just that awhile back. Does that make you a liar, or just a cultist with a bad memory?
And how about making sly, dark allusions? Is that ok with your cult? You did just that on this thread until you were called out.
I won't ask if your cult approves of bigotry, because we all know that it does....
Doofus it is RJ. I will jus
June 14, 2007 - 15:11 ET by vrwc13Doofus it is RJ. I will just turn the other cheek. No name caling on my part though. Regardless of what you and BT say, there is none.
Dark, sly, allusions? That's funny. Just did not want to take this thread right where you took it.
Oh, give me a break
June 14, 2007 - 15:20 ET by RJOh, give me a break. You've given up the right to even pretend to take the high road. You're a name-calling, hate-pushing bigot who attempted a whisper campaign. Now you want to be a liar, too.