CBS Exec, Kaplan, Now Slams Rather-- But Once Called Rather 'Gold Standard' of News

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"CBS Evening News" executive producer Rick Kaplan has also come out to slam Dan Rather for his sexist comment that CBS' Katie Couric has "dumbed down" and "tarted up" the news biz with her tenure on CBS' nightly news broadcast. But, a little investigation shows that only two years ago Kaplan praised Rather as the "gold standard" of news anchors at an awards ceremony for Rather's "retirement".

So, which is it, Mr. Kaplan? Is Rather a jerk, or is he the best there is?

Today, Fox News' Roger Friedman reports that Kaplan thinks that Rather should just shut up and fade away...

Now, Kaplan has some advice for Rather.

"This is someone who should go through his life quietly," Kaplan told me.

Kaplan cited Rather's ignominious "Memogate" scandal that led to his exit from the network.

"We had to build back from when Dan left," Kaplan said. "What's really upsetting is that the same people are still here doing the news as when Dan left; those are the people he's criticizing. A lot of people at CBS are disappointed that he said that."

A body slam to Rather, there!

But, as I mentioned, this is the same Rick Kaplan who was not long ago praising Rather as the "gold standard" of TV news anchors. And our own Brent Baker was there to cover Kaplan's praise in his October, 2005 CyberAlert report.

Dan Rather's national media colleagues rallied around him, and denigrated his critics, at the News and Documentary Emmy Awards presented by the National Television Academy at a September 19 ceremony which C-SPAN aired Saturday night, where Rather was honored with a lifetime achievement award. ABC's Ted Koppel praised Rather as "a man of honesty and integrity and decency.

...MSNBC President Rick Kaplan, a former executive at ABC and CNN, asserted that "Dan was meticulously careful to be fair and balanced and accurate" during his career. Kaplan then lashed out: "When did we allow those with questionable agendas to take the lead and convince people of something quite the opposite? It's shameful." Kaplan went so far to declare that Rather's "legacy" is "the gold standard journalists today have struggled to live up to."

Wow. We go from Kaplan saying Rather's "the gold standard journalists today have struggled to live up to" in 2005 to Rather should "go through his life quietly" and fade away just two scant years later?

That is certainly a head spinning about face, eh?

But, let's face it. We have a lot of reason to be skeptical of Kaplan. There is a LOT of credibility and cash on the line with this Couric business. Who cannot be suspicious of Kaplan's sudden unloading on Rather which will tend to keep this controversy alive, anyway? Kaplan has an awful lot to gain from keeping this story front and center.

If Kaplan can get the feminists in the viewing public to rally to his side, it could improve the female audience for Couric, thereby possibly driving up ratings for her news cast. Further, by keeping this incident in the news, Kaplan spurs the "CBS Evening News" to remain a topic of conversation, staying in the "news" and that could bring more viewers to the show as well.

So, the big question is this: was Kaplan not telling us how he really felt about Rather then, or is he not telling the truth now? Does he really still love and respect Rather, but is cynically using this opportunity to ramp up controversy to better his ratings now, or did he always really not like Rather even then when he was absurdly praising him? Either way, he is making it quite hard to believe a word he says on Rather with such a major conflict in viewpoints.

But, since the MSM is all smoke and mirrors anyway, who can really be surprised?

I report, you delight.

(To see all the Newsbusters Rather/Couric feud coverage see here & here & here & here & here & here)


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Was Dan Wrong?

Don't expect me to begin this post with a disclaimer similar to that given by those who "support our troops".  It's more important than that.

I wonder, do we serve our movement by helping shame a Liberal into acquiescing to the mantra of his fold?  Is there no truth to what Rather said?

Katie Couric was brought to the Evening News to add a different 'look' to the news.  Did she 'dumb it down' further than what Schieffer had going?  Yes.

Katie "tarted up" the news?  Well, was she not known as "perky" before taking the helm?  Did she not joke on her morning show about "castrating" men who jilt their bride?  Consider a man performing a similar operation on a woman with a cordless drill and a paddle bit.  Did she ever apologize?

Ok, we'll have our fun with Rather for having, (or developing?) some of the same opinions we either voice or feel.  Maybe we should, in some measure, rejoice in his sour grapes induced epiphany.

We are doing our part in presenting what we see as the logical presentation of more utopian ideals, but along the way we are also contributing to the death of individual thought.

How many of you remember a teacher who presented a futuristic, cause and effect, opinion on current events?  Well, that teacher is missing from our schools today.  And no, we can't point to the 'groupthink' of Global Warming.

Where was the opposing view on ethanol - that the World at large would condemn us for putting their food in our gas tanks.  Where is there an analysis of the final solution to the glut of elderly entering the unfunded Welfare State?

I recognize this site is dedicated to exposing the hypocrisy of the Left, but to a very real extent, I have to say:

Right on Dan!

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Thank you Bernie Goldberg

I'm sitting at the computer, and Cavuto's rerun has Bernie Goldberg saying exactly what I just posted above.  I'll take that as a validation.

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Truthfully, Dan's being "righ

Truthfully, Dan's being "right" about Couric or not is immaterial when even HIS attempts at presenting news was an utter failure. You know the saying...Pot calling the kettle black.

I am not disparaging Dan for what he is saying about Couric, I am disparaging him for acting as if HE did it better. For acting as if SHE is all there has been to this "dumbing down." His guilt is just as explicit in the destruction of the legitimacy of the news services.

Dan Rather is a raving hypocrite.

Warner, I freely concede

No doubt Dan filled himself with self importance way back when he retorted to Richard Nixon;  "No, Mr. President, are you"  That was his coming out party.

And I'll apologize for misdirecting the thread to Rather rather than (always wanted to do that) continuing the focus on Kaplan's mercurial observations.

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Mercury? I'm still trying t

Mercury? I'm still trying to figger-out what Kaplan has against gold!?!!? ;)
JMR

casmo, I'm shocked

Let's all play nice in the PC sandbox. 

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Too clever by half Warner.

Dan Rather, Rick Kaplan and all the rest at CBS couldn't report a straight piece of news if their lives depended on it.  Reason being truth and facts are an alien concept to them.  Suggesting that Kaplan is talking down Rather to keep this train wreck in the news is too clever by half.  IMO CBS blew it way back when they selected Dan Rather over Rodger Mudd to replace their old queen Walter Cronkite.

Dennis Miller

I think Dennis Miller characterized Kaplan best on O'Reilly.  He remarked that CBS has Katies back right until the time they put the knife in her back.

Miller on Reid

Miller seems to have a lovefest going with Harry Reid, doesn't he?

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I love that picture of Rather

I love that picture of Rather. He looks like someone opened the closet door and caught him smelling his fingers.

Ditto!

Mica,

I was thinking the same thing!

"Hmmm - do I know WHERE this finger has been?"

Help control the game show host population by having Bob Barker spayed or neutered.

Dan Rather pciture caption.

Dan Rather pciture caption.

"Man, that is one major b......"

ACA

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"Is Rather a jerk, or is

"Is Rather a jerk, or is he the best there is? "

Rather is the best jerk there is.

Does anyone else see the simi

Does anyone else see the similarities between Dan Rather and Bill Clinton?  Not only do they have a scandalous ending to their careers, but they also don't know how to quietly go off into the sunset... 

And now Hillary is threatening to bring Bill back to the forefront.

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There's nothing like a post a

There's nothing like a post about Dan Rather to bring out the wingnuts!  The Pavlovian response is always good for a laugh.  Listening to the critics on NewsBusters rant about Rather is a bit like watching pseudo-jocks in a sports bar talk about the professional jocks as if they are qualified to be in the same league.  This is NewsBusters for christ's sake - the site devoted to distortion and half-truth.  It's exists to lead the right-wing charge to make you believe that everything you hear or see in the MSM is liberal bias.  Nevermind that the corporate media is just as biased toward the left.  The percieved "liberal" bias, therefore, drives everyone into the echo chamber of the right-wing media where you can be propogandized 24/7.

Take a look at what happened with the Memogate "scandal".  The memos were investigated at length by CBS by a committee led by a life-long conservative, Richard Thornburg, former U.S. attorney general and former Republican governor of Pennsylvania, and never shown conclusively to be faked. The Thornburg investigation left conservatives furious when the panel failed to conclude that the memos were forgeries and that the National Guard story was fueled by anti-Bush bias inside CBS. However, the panel concluded that the National Guard story was rushed to the air for competitive reasons and characterized the story as a train wreck: "Basic journalistic steps were not carried out in a manner consistent with accurate and fair reporting, leading to countless misstatements and omissions."  I'll bet not one of you wingnuts, after all the Rather stories you've seen, knows these simple facts.

While the PROCESS was questionable, THE MATERIAL IN THEM WAS AUTHENTIC, as cooberated by three people most in a position to know at the time of Bush's "service". One of those, Marian Carr Knox, the secretary to Lt. Col. Jerry Killian who was Bush's immediate commander in the TANG, told CBS that she believes the documents are fake but that they reflected the sentiments of Kilian. "I know that I didn't type them. However, the information in those is correct".

Rather has said repeatedly - and apparently no one is listening - that the material in the documents is accurate. He had three people in the TANG most in the know about Bush and his record that told him that.  That's why Rather stood by the story so stubbornly. 

It was an important story because it showed how Bush had been reprimanded for failing to keep current on his medical exams which caused him to be removed from flying status and how the superiors in the unit leaned on Col. Kilian to "sugarcoat" Bush's records. Most guard units at the time were a ticket out of the Viet Nam war and, as such, were next to impossible to get into. So, part of the CBS story was how Bush's family connection helped him get in the unit and avoid Viet Nam. And, even after using the TANG to avoid Viet Nam, the Boston Globe found that Bush fell well short of meeting his military obligations in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War. The story also put Bush's history during Viet Nam in stark contrast to Kerry's record.

To make sure that Bush's records were never going to be a problem, a team under the direction of Karen Hughes, Governor Bush's Chief of Staff, contacted the TANG while Bush was governor of Texas and requested Bush's files. The conversation was overheard by Col. Bill Burkett, who at the time was the assistant to the commanding general. Burkett says they wanted to remove anything that might be embarrassing. When Burkett later went public with this, the Guard retaliated. He was shipped out on a foreign assignment and returned over a year later with a serious disease. At that point, the Guard refused to cover his medical expenses. You might find it interesting to know that Burkett was the CBS's source for the questionable documents. You can see why he might be a little bitter and why he might have an axe to grind.

There's much more to this story but I'll leave it there with the fact that people had justifiable reasons for wanting to see Bush brought down and plenty of motivation to reconstruct documents to do that.  ANd they apparently did a good enough job of reconstruction that they got their facts right and a commission, after weeks of study, couldn't discredit their work. 

So, Spacy Cowboy, how's the check from Dan spending?

So, Spacy Cowboy, how's the check from Dan spending?

Rather has said repeatedly - and apparently no one is listening - that the material in the documents is accurate. He had three people in the TANG most in the know about Bush and his record that told him that.  That's why Rather stood by the story so stubbornly.

Crawl back into your shuttle and return to the mother ship my man.

The reason no one is listening to Danny boy is that a) he is a liar and b) he has no integrity left to listen to if anyone cares.

And no one, not one single person cares.

It is just more Rather Blather.

As far as your take on this site is concerned, read the sentence above.

If you want to go around believing that the memos were:

"While the PROCESS was questionable, THE MATERIAL IN THEM WAS AUTHENTIC, as cooberated by three people most in a position to know at the time of Bush's "service". One of those, Marian Carr Knox, the secretary to Lt. Col. Jerry Killian who was Bush's immediate commander in the TANG, told CBS that she believes the documents are fake but that they reflected the sentiments of Kilian."

Go ahead.

Intellectual honesty (which you obviously do not understand nor care about) demands that an assertion such as Rather's memogate show made be backed with fact; not speculation.

Oh well.

Another troll bites the dust.

ACA

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Um, Acaiguana, you must have

Um, Acaiguana, you must have missed the part about the Thornburg commission's investigation of the documents and their inability to conclude that the documents were fake.  Gee, don't you hate it when that happens?

P.S. Isn't "Acaiguane" spanish for bird shit?

Thornburgh commission?

OK, so you're Jayson Blair in cognito.

Ben Barnes is an honest guy, I guess.

Selectric balls of the type used to forge the documents were almost available.

Dan Rather -  "gold standard" for fools

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ignorance knows no bounds

Actually, they should be assumed "fake" until proven to be "legit". You are suffering from argumentum ad ignorantiam.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

Funny you make the point abou

Funny you make the point about arguing from ignorance when that's what I see going on on this site constantly.  The amount of disinformation is mind boggeling.

Your simple mind doesn't seem capable of comprehending that the information in the documents was verified by those closest to the situation leading to two possibilities:

1) the documents were fakes but constructed by someone who knew the facts of the case i.e. the information is accurate but the documents were forged, or

2)the documents were authentic. 

Either way, we have an accurate story regarding Bush's history with the TANG even if it was rushed and as thoroughly vetted as it should have been.  But, seriously, we have a commission that was unable to establish that the documents were forged after weeks of study.  And, you're criticizing the CBS crew for only checking this hurridley with a few experts? 

This hardly makes a "scandal" that should discredit Rather's long history of quality journalism.  But it does make fodder for the reich-wing disinformation experts to run amok and all their kool-aid drinking toadies to trail along behind them spouting nonsense.

Argumentum that, bro.

space...what facts?

Care to provide documentation of your assertion? Please, no fake docs either.

If you can't prove it, then SHUT UP !!!

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

You can look up the Thornburg

You can look up the Thornburg Commission if you want.  I provided you with a few quotes from their conclusion.

The quote from Knox was from an interview on 60 Minutes.

If the conclusion of a commission chaired by a Republican and the testimony of people who knew what happened in the TANG doesn't persuade you, no amount of additional links and documentation will change your well-made-up mind.

Just curious.  What's you favorite flavor of kool-aid?

Is Spacey really Mary Mapes?

Mary Mapes, is that you?

It is amazing that anyone would align themselves with Rather.

It is amazing that anyone would align themselves with Rather.

Check this logic out.

The documents were fake but the 'story' was 'real'.

Ok.

1.  Tables have four legs.

2.  Dogs have four legs.

3.  All dogs are tables.

QED

ACA

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Spacey Mary's profile

Spacey Mary's profile says he's here to "take names and kick butts"    hahahaha.

my bad

My bad. I thought it said "lick".

Hey, RJ, take names?

Hey, RJ, take names?

I have little fear from someone who is so misinformed and faulty in their adherence to intellectual and journalistic principle.

Of course, that would be real journalistic principles.

sigh.

ACA

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I know, ACA, but on theplus side,

I know, ACA, but on the plus side, the blowhards are the most fun to take down.....

space..learn to read

I read the conclusion of the report. They never remotely insinuated that the story may be true inspite of the questionability of the authenticity of the documents. They described how CBS failed miserably to be journalists. They relied on the Rather and Mapes and trusted them...that ended up being a big mistake.

Another waste of time and space.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

space...the burden is on you

Cowboy...the burden is on you. Even wiki has nothing on it. Provide the link or we can assume it is fake as well.

Liberals are pathetic.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

What a FREAKING RETARD!!Here'

What a FREAKING RETARD!!

Here's the link to the Thornbury Commission.  Oh, yeah, I got it on Wikipedia.  You know, THE SAME PLACE YOU LOOKED AND COULDN'T FIND IT!!

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/complete_report/CBS_Report.pdf

Wow, how do you function in life?  Oh, wait, you DON'T!!

Spacy, like most Universities, we don't accept Wiki here.

Spacy, like most Universities, we don't accept Wiki here.

But, when you are so adament that the documents were 'fake' but the 'story' was 'real'...

Well, whatever goes on in your mind needs a strident cleansing.

Here's one for ya.  The Illuminiti are real too.

ACA

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You really do have a reading

You really do have a reading comprehension problem, bird-shit man.

If you'll read (carefully, now) the post above mine by LionKing, you'll see that he refers to looking for the Thornburg report on "Wiki".

Duh!!

I went there to see if I could find a link and I did.  If YOU don't like Wikipedia, don't use it.  It worked just fine to provide the link to the report I needed and I also notice LionKing looked there too.

Try signing up for one of those remedial reading classes before you make more of a fool of yourself.

spacey...

I went to wiki because that is where all libs go. I tried google first and found nothing.

As I said...there is no wiki entry for Thornburg Commission.

Space Cowboy jokes about retarded people

Way to go Space.  Funny stuff when you can mimic Chris Rock with "retard"

You're disgusting.

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Sorry, Doofus, didn't know th

Sorry, Doofus, didn't know that "retard" was a patented Chris Rock line. 

Same disrespect for the retarded, Space

It's not funny to make fun of the retarded.

There are sites for that, I'm sure

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I guess I'm confused.  I tho

I guess I'm confused.  I thought NewsBusters WAS a site to make fun of the retarded.  There certainly are enough of them here.

Oh, wait, I know.  That's not politically correct, right? 

Ok you two how many times hav

Ok you two how many times have been told to quit poke'n the trolls with sticks. 

Stop using logic guys.  It 's not working on the Spaced one here.

Airforce - those pesky facts. Darn them to heck.

Airforce - those pesky facts.  Darn them to heck.

And I've been inactive for a while.  I just needed to get back up to speed.  Of course, I'll take off the training wheels now.

ACA

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Ok ACA, but don't take em hom

Ok ACA, but don't take em home.  You know how big a mess they make in the house.

Now this is just too rich;&qu

Now this is just too rich;

"The quote from Knox was from an interview on 60 Minutes."

SC just lost all credability by his own admission.

"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."

Clueless Tool, is that you?

Clueless Tool, is that you?

oooo, Mary, you're so smart

ooo, Mary, what a great comeback....you're sooo smart.    ;^>

Excuse me Spacecadet? Doooo w

Excuse me Spacecadet? Doooo what? LOL! Those documents were so far off base, even the suvriving folks involved said it was crap! The ONLY one that would say they were correct was the one idiot that typed them in Microsoft Word! while forging the documents! Nobody else agreeded that they were even remotely accurate. I guess that Space in between your ears, uh?

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

No, spacy, I don't miss much.

No, spacy, I don't miss much.

I don't care if it was God himself who chaired the fake CYA Thornburg commission - right is right and wrong is wrong.

And you, my mothership friend, are wrong.

That's it for me today for you.

ACA

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Faith-based reality is such a

Faith-based reality is such a wonder to behold.  Praise Jesus!

Spacy, you wouldn't know Jesus if he bit your butt.

Spacy, you wouldn't know Jesus if he bit your butt.

FYI I am not a Christian.

Another assumption bites the dust.

You ain't doing so well here Spacy.  Does your mommy know you are using the computer again?

ACA

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Yawn . . . Burp!!

Yawn . . . Burp!!

So Space, What your line of r

So Space,

What your line of reasoning is that Bush shouldn't be President because he supposedly avoided going to Vietnam?  And in your conclusion, if a person has avoided the draft or going to Vietnam, then they shouldn't be President?  Is that your line of reasoning here?

I remember seeing video of a lady at a campain rally in 04 telling Bush that she remembers seeing him there when she was putting in her time there.  Was she lying too?  Prove to me that the lady was lying or else everything you've said here has no merit.  And please tell me if you would ever vote for anyone that used political/family influence to dodge the draft or military service.

Thanks.

...reflected the sentiments..

...reflected the sentiments...

You almost didn't use that that, right?  But then your desperate need to believe was clearly the driver here.  Imagine using such a non-comittal sentence by a woman who's coaches couldn't even get her fully on board.  But then, we don't have to imagine, because you did it.  Pathetic.

Do you even have a transcript?   Or a link?

Space, if what you say is tru

Space, if what you say is true, why did I serve with so many ANG men IN Vietnam? There were entire units of ANG sent to the RVN, and you sit there on your fat behind, not knowing or caring that many ANG men and women served honorably. You, Space, are a complete fraud and have no knowledge of which you speak. You, yourself, have never served I am sure. This is typical bile spewed by the cowards that do not have, and never will have to serve in the military, and face the enemy.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

I know the ANG world well, I

I know the ANG world well, I was a pilot in one.

Bush's unit was referred to as a "champagne" unit - filled with the sons of the politically connected.  There was little chance that the unit would go to Viet Nam because they flew a plane designed for air defense - the F 102.  Getting into the TANG was a great way to avoid Viet Nam.

So, spacy, avoiding Nam was your goal?

So, spacy, avoiding Nam was your goal?

Let's see.  You seem to think that the ANG was a way to avoid Vietnam.

Um...

I frankly don't believe you were an ANG pilot, but that's beside the point.

If you research Bush's ANG record you will find, gasp, that he fulfilled all requirements for his service and was honorably discharged.

Can't quite say the same for Willy Jeff Clinton, now can we?

And can't quite say the same for ol' John F. (served in Vietnam) Kerry, can we?  Oh yeah, he had that discharge upgraded by President 'peanut' Carter's Board for upgrading less than honorable discharges, didn't he now?

Of course Kerry's upgraded discharge is real, the story is fake.

Right?

I'm disappointed in you.

In the space (like that huh?) of a few posts you have been reduced to name calling and shouting.

In blog parlance, that means you lose.

ACA

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No, bird-shit man, avoiding V

No, bird-shit man, avoiding Viet Nam was George W. Bush's goal - and he succeeded, didn't he?

Not all ANG units fly the same plane.  Bush's unit was unlikely to go to Viet Nam because they flew the F-102.  My unit flew the F-100 and went to Viet Nam because the F-100 was used for ground-support missions.

You are too funny spacy.

You are too funny spacy.

First, if you can't get by without vulgarity then I won't bother to explain to you the difference between an Iguana and a bird.

Second, you aren't addressing the issue.  You allegedly joined the Guard to avoid Nam from my point of view.  If you were even in the Guard and went to Vietnam, then it certainly wasn't on your agenda.

The point was that you denegrate the guard with every post.  And anyone in the Guard.

Third with your demonstration of intellectual powers here on this site, I doubt anyone would depend on your judgement for ground support, athletic support or fence post support.

ACA

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Space Cowboy,If you are afrai

Space Cowboy,

If you are afraid to answer my question just say so since you are avoiding it, but here it is again. 

What your line of reasoning is that Bush shouldn't be President because he supposedly avoided going to Vietnam?  And in your conclusion, if a person has avoided the draft or going to Vietnam, then they shouldn't be President?  Is that your line of reasoning here?

I remember seeing video of a lady at a campain rally in 04 telling Bush that she remembers seeing him there when she was putting in her time there.  Was she lying too?  Prove to me that the lady was lying or else everything you've said here has no merit.  And please tell me if you would ever vote for anyone that used political/family influence to dodge the draft or military service.

Like I said, we know how hypocritical you neo-libs can be, so please take this back to Koz and see what he tells you to say or just ignore it like you have been so far.

Thanks

AC - But it is fun to see the

AC - But it is fun to see the emotional leftists come here and almost immediately decay into ad hominem attacks.

I don't believe Spacy Mary either, ACA. Here's why...

I don't believe Spacy Mary either, ACA.  

Awhile back, we had another obnoxious poster who ranted fanatically about President Bush's service experience.   He also claimed to be a pilot who flew F-100s....but he was outed as a liar by posters with relevant experience.

Can't remember the other poster's name (does anyone else?), but it looks like we have a repeater, folks.......

I'm with you RJ (I can't reme

I'm with you RJ (I can't remember the poster name either), we have our original "hater" back as well -- montana lyons!

"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."

Ah, RJ my man, you've got a g

Ah, RJ my man, you've got a good memory.  That poster was Johnbo and we're the same person.  Long story about the disappearance and the name change.

As for your claim that I was "outed as a liar by poster with releveant experience, you're referring to the laughable exchange with "Zoomie" and, if you believed that Zoomie "outed" me, you're a prime candidate for a bridge I've been trying to sell. 

So the therapy wasn't successful, Johnbo?

So the therapy wasn't successful, Johnbo?

Ah, johnbo, I thought you were too easy.

Ah, johnbo, I thought you were too easy.

Still haven't learn squat, huh?

ACA

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And you guys are still off yo

And you guys are still off your meds I see. 

And still foaming at the mouth a the mere mention of Dan Rather.  Where would you guys be without your knee-jerk, Pavlovian responses complete with prefabricated talking points made to order for mindless automatons?  You never seem to get tired of kool-aid.  I guess it's because it comes in so many flavors.

Ya know, Spacy/Danbo, dueling with unarmed people is boring.

Ya know, Spacy/Danbo, dueling with unarmed people is boring.

Since you have been thoroughly discredited on this site once, wouldn't you think that maybe you are the kool-aid drinker?

Probably not.

After all that would require some self-awareness and integrity without the emotional need to cling to discredited people like Mr. Blather.

Oh well.

That really is it for me.

I don't do intellectual battle with unarmed people.

ACA

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Johnbo, you should ask for your money back

Johnbo, you should ask for your money back, since it's clear the therapy didn't work.   I mean, anyone can tell you're just as crazy as ever...  ;^>

"It's exists to lead the

"It (Newsbusters) exists to lead the right-wing charge to make you believe that everything you hear or see in the MSM is liberal bias. "

SC - No charge, just FACT, you might want to check this out:

http://thefightinggop.org/index.php/2007/04/16/conspiratorial-media-her-words-not-mine/

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