Tim Russert invited on longtime White House correspondent Helen Thomas on his CNBC show over the weekend to promote her new book but Thomas used the hour to praise the Clintons and smear Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. The former UPI correspondent slammed Reagan declaring, "I think that the poor did not prosper under him at all," and charged the press was too soft on George W. Bush demanding that they should've asked the hard question: "How can you justify killing thousands of people to get one man? Who are we to depose anyone?'" But when it came to the Clinton administration, Thomas thought the press was too hard on the Clintons saying Whitewater amounted to "nothing," and pouted: "the Clintons suffered a lot."
The interview was wide-ranging as Russert asked Thomas to comment on all the presidents she's covered dating back to John F. Kennedy. Below are just some of the low-lights as they occurred on the June 9th edition of the CNBC Tim Russert show:
On whether her personal biases affected her reporting:
Tim Russert: "You started with a, as, as a reporter with United Press International, UPI, a wire service reporter."
Helen Thomas: "Right."
Russert: "Is it really who, what, when, where, why?"
Thomas: "Always. And we really wrote straight news. Nobody believes I could, but I did. And later, I became a columnist for Hearst newspapers, and where I could slant the story, bias, express myself and so forth. And it was a tough transition, even though I, I you know, everybody said I had an opinion on everything that's ever, ever moved. I still found it difficult after disciplining myself to really write straight fact news, factual news, and but I did it."
Russert: "In fact, those who know you say, quote, 'I was born with an opinion,' says Helen Thomas."
Thomas: "Something like that. I think so. Mostly, mostly opinion against injustice and discrimination against gender, color and so forth."
Russert: "How were you able to keep the opinion that you held very deeply out of the copy that you wrote for UPI?"
Thomas: "Well, when my boss first, when I, oh, for UPI, it was easy because I knew what the ground rules were and I knew that my opinion didn't matter, that what mattered was for people to get a straight story. And I still think that's the best way they get it. Even though I write an opinion column, I believe that it's better if they get the factual news on the front page."
Russert: "And then, in your opinion column now, you let it rip."
Thomas: "Yes"
Russert: "Well, let's go back to your-"
Thomas: "And it's meaningless."
On Ronald Reagan:
Russert: "Tell me, tell me about Ronald Reagan. What was it like to cover Ronald Reagan?"
Thomas: "Well, it was interesting. I mean, he was very, very likable and yet it was very impersonal. He definitely had an agenda, and was a social Darwinist. 'If you can't make it, tough.' Was, you know, survival of the fittest, this is the whole approach. He appointed people at the head of his, of departments and agencies who were against the premise of the agency. With Gorsuch of the APA, Watts of, to Interior, who wanted to sell all of the Western lands to privatize and so forth. So the whole thing is that he really did think that government was the problem and not the solution, which he said to the very end. At the same time, he, I think, he obviously was well liked, and I think that the poor did not prosper under him at all. And I remember, I think Nancy Reagan had a lot to do with turning him around in terms of going to Moscow, meeting with Mikhail Gorbachev, going to the summits. She urged him to go after Maggie Thatcher said you can do business with Gorbachev. And when we got there, President Reagan noticed that the Russians laughed and they cried and they were human, they were not bears who walked like men, I mean the whole idea, had never been to Russia before and so forth. There, so I said to him when we came back, I said, 'Mr. President, do you think maybe if you had gone to Moscow 10 years ago, 20 years ago, you might have found out the Russians are very human, they laugh, they cry, they,' he said, 'Nope, they've changed.' So see."
On the Clintons:
Russert: "And we're back. A walk through history with Helen Thomas, the dean of White House reporters. Her book is now in paperback, Watchdogs of Democracy? Bill Clinton came into town, 1992, with Hillary Clinton, the First Lady, Al Gore the Vice President. What was the demeanor, the, the time, the feel of the White House press corps in January of '93?"
Thomas: "Well, I think there was a lot of excitement. But I think the Clintons had suffered a lot on the campaign trail and they had a lot of chips on their shoulders about the press. So I think there was a lot of excitement, but I think that the President and Mrs. Clinton didn't feel that the press was exactly with them."
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Russert: "Hillary Clinton was the First Lady of the United States for eight years. Now she's a presidential candidate. What was she like as First Lady?"
Thomas: "Well, I think that she was, thought, I don't think she really got a total handle on the job of the power that she could have as First Lady. I think she had higher ambitions. I think she makes a much better senator, she's a terrific senator, and, and a candidate for, for the presidency."
Russert: "You are not surprised that she's running for President?"
Thomas: "No. I think that's been her ambition for a long time. And I think [the] time is right for a woman."
Russert: "Tell me about the press coverage of the Clinton administration, of Whitewater, Monica Lewinsky. Looking back now, what's your, what are your reflections?"
Thomas: "My impression is this man, President Clinton, did know, did not know one second and I didn't say a minute in the White House when he was not being investigated by the right wing. And he should have had street smarts to know that he was on target. And that was so incredible that he didn't realize, you know, you don't play into their hands. So everything was under investigation constantly. They never, I don't know how they stood it. The resilience of that family."
Russert: "Do you think the press corps did a good job in, in as part of those investigations in covering that story?"
Thomas: "No, I think we should have been much more intuitive of what was behind and so forth. Whitewater turned out to be really nothing in terms of a special, according to special prosecutor and so forth. No, I think, well, you never do a good job, really, because you're not a prosecutor, you can't get all the facts. There's so much secrecy and so forth. But I think that the Clintons suffered a lot."
On George W. Bush:
Russert: "And we're back talking to Helen Thomas. Why did you say that President Bush is the worst president in history?"
Thomas: "Well, at that time, I could see that we were going into a war, an unprovoked war, a pre-emptive war with Iraq, and I was very upset with that because I thought it was the wrong move. And just all of, you know, the lack of understanding about what was really going on in the Middle East and everywhere else. I just, I probably should have said there's still room for improvement and so forth, and I, and I didn't realize I was being reported. But I know it's tough to be President. It's the worst, probably toughest job in the world. But at the same time, it's the top of the mark. And when you get there, you should only do the right thing."
Russert: "How about when you said that you would kill yourself if Cheney ever became president?"
Thomas: "Again, that was an off-the, a remark in the, in the, in the press room, you never expect your colleagues to report it. I mean, you, there are certain understandings, you thought. Well, I think that he's not been a good influence on our country."
Russert: "You wrote the president a letter of apology."
Thomas: "Yes. I really do feel that I should have, I was off limits [on] a lot of things. I should be careful."
Russert: "In your book, in the hardcover, you were critical of the press in terms of the lead up to the war. But in the paperback edition you have a new afterward where you say that you think the press, the White House press corps has found, has regained its footing and its aggressiveness."
Thomas: "Yeah, I think they've come out of their coma. I think they were asleep at the wheel. The run-up to the war, it was so clear that the President was going to war and no one was asking him why. They accepted it. They wanted to be, you know, gung ho and be great foreign correspondents. It was supposed to be a cake walk, four days. They didn't, and they didn't have the Vietnam experience or whatever. History could tell you that this is, is still wrong."
Russert: "Dana Milbank, who was a White House correspondent for the Post, wrote a review of your book and he said, 'Helen, we asked the tough questions leading up to the war.'"
Thomas: "No, they didn't. You look at the transcripts, they were not tough. You should, the big question was, 'Why? How can you justify killing thousands of people to get one man?' Who are we to depose anyone? Really. I mean, we ought to take care of our own country. I mean, we do have a United Nations. I do believe in collective security. I do think the UN has a role in Darfur, and all the areas that are erupting. But it should be through collective security."
Russert: "What about the notion of pre-emptive war?"
Thomas: "That's wrong."
Russert: "You've also challenged the president on his policy in the Middle East. Do you believe that your background as Lebanese, or your parents from the Middle East, has influenced your thinking?"
Thomas: "Of course. I mean, how would I now know as much as I do know about the Middle East, and how would by that interested? But that doesn't mean I'm unfair. I do think it's wrong to take somebody else's land and displace them."
Russert: "What happens when you ask these kinds of questions? Do you, do you feel any kind of pressure from your colleagues, or do they encourage you?"
Thomas: "Oh, they don't encourage me. Far from it. They, I, according to some of my detractors, my e-mail, they raise their eyebrows or shake their heads or whatever. I don't know. It doesn't matter. As long as I have the privilege to ask the question, I try to do it as, you know, two, straight line between two points and let the chips fall."
Russert: "But as a columnist, you feel that you can, in fact, include opinion in your question?"
Thomas: "No. It isn't the course, I don't think, I don't ask questions any differently now than I asked before. I really have always tried to put a tough question to a president. You have one chance in the barrel and you should try to make it good. And I think that though, that the American people depend on us. We're the only institution in our society that can ask the president a question on a regular basis, and hold him accountable."
—Geoffrey Dickens is the senior news analyst at the Media Research Center.
















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If a blog just mentions the n
June 12, 2007 - 15:47 ET by TruthMongerIf a blog just mentions the name of Helen Thomas a couple of times then a whole damn thread on her suddenly appears! Let's never do that again...
TM...just for you
June 12, 2007 - 15:51 ET by LionKingHelen Thomas without make-up, just for you TM.
all hail the lion king
June 12, 2007 - 15:59 ET by TruthMongerThank-you your majesty - i can really use this for my anorexia...
He should have used this one
June 12, 2007 - 16:05 ET by vrwc13He should have used this one
OMG We went from Babes to Helen Thomas..?
June 12, 2007 - 15:58 ET by Six String SpiffOMG We went from Babes to Helen Thomas..? Oh well.. .It was about time I leff work anyway. :-)
BTW Balboa, Mightymouth, Sportpolitics etc haven't had a good babe discussion in a while. We need to fix this. Start it up in the forums or something. Keep it relative to news readers or 'anchors'.
Islam should have it's religious status revoked until it can prove it's not a hate group.
Emergency exit from this thre
June 12, 2007 - 16:01 ET by TruthMongerEmergency exit from this thread:
http://newsbusters.org/node/13392
or exit here
June 12, 2007 - 16:07 ET by vrwc13or exit here
It's amazing to me someone t
June 12, 2007 - 16:04 ET by Mica the MagnificentIt's amazing to me someone that freakin' old could be so freakin' stupid!
And absolutely no follow up questions from Russert.
Many years ago when I was b
June 12, 2007 - 16:10 ET by daveinbocaMany years ago when I was big-time inside the Beltway, I had Helen and her husband over to our house for dinner. She drained half a bottle of Scotch in about two hours and fulminated against Christianity [she is of Lebanese Greek Orthodox background]. Her husband died a few years later and I guess the bottle has replaced him as her first and truest love.
She also ranted anti-Semitic garbage against Israel and seemed to like Assad of Syria [Papa-san] among other heroes.
What a drunken bi-yotch she was and remains to this day!
dave,LOL-I assume you took im
June 12, 2007 - 16:25 ET by Dave Rdave,
LOL-I assume you took immediate inventory on your silverware and liquor cabinet after the old ba.....I mean, after your dinner guest left.
Build the damn fence, George!
Why did you have them over fo
June 12, 2007 - 16:31 ET by TruthMongerWhy did you have them over for dinner?! Was there a gun to your head?
weight-loss program
June 12, 2007 - 16:32 ET by LionKingIt was research for a weight-loss program. Do I have to show THE PICTURE again?
Why do you have links to Hele
June 12, 2007 - 16:36 ET by TruthMongerWhy do you have links to Helen Thomas pictures?! Do you have a gun to your head?
no...just google
June 12, 2007 - 16:42 ET by LionKingNo...just google...sometimes, my evil side comes out and I torment the unsuspecting. I humbly apologize for any emotional distress this may have caused.
[Sleep good. <sinister laugh>]
HT was married
June 12, 2007 - 16:35 ET by LionKingSpeaking of guns to the head and scotch...any man that married that must have been out of his mind or under duress.
Now to be fair, Helen actua
June 12, 2007 - 17:01 ET by MightyMouthNow to be fair, Helen actually was rather cute as a child.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MONTY!!!
June 12, 2007 - 17:51 ET by LionKingI thought that was MONTY all this time.
Who is the lucky person tha
June 12, 2007 - 16:56 ET by charlietexasWho is the lucky person that has to put his hand up Helen's rear and her appear to be alive??
Who's the muppet master???
Who is the lucky person tha
June 12, 2007 - 16:56 ET by charlietexasWho is the lucky person that has to put his hand up Helen's rear and her appear to be alive??
Who's the muppet master???
It's all about her.
June 12, 2007 - 17:48 ET by c5thenShe makes statements based on how she feels and has no basis in fact to back it up. She states things that imply she knew what Reagan was thinking while admitting that she never asked him. She knew we were heading to war, even though the opportunity was given for Saddam to avert it by complying with the UN mandates. She claims it was "unprovoked" so apparently thinks that failure to abide by terms in a cease fire agreement don't count as provocation.
In short she is a extreme liberal twit and the best argument for mandatory retirement that I've seen in many many years.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic
Helen's an Arab. She hates
June 12, 2007 - 17:51 ET by mattmHelen's an Arab. She hates Israel and anything to the right of Michael Bloomberg (whom she also hates because he's Jewish). She should never have been allowed in the WHPR, but affirmative action has its downside...
The good news is that, althou
June 12, 2007 - 17:59 ET by Chris NormanThe good news is that, although Thomas may have "smeared them", at least she didn't cast a spell on them... :)
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Oh Helen...give us break and
June 12, 2007 - 17:59 ET by bigtimerOh Helen...give us break and go away.
Retire...and do something useful for once in your pathetic overrated leftist life.
Helen. At least Bush doesn't talk like this..
June 12, 2007 - 18:04 ET by Gary Hall"How can you justify killing thousands of people to get one man? Who are we to depose anyone?'"
Helen. At least President Bush doesn't talk "killing people" like your ole buddy Bill Clinton (my bold):
How many cruise missles did Clinton launch, Helen? And for what purpose?
Answer = 904 cruise missiles, Helen.
And what for? Well, Helen. Some were to kill individual people, some were to punish, some were to warn, and some were to kill people and destroy water treatment plants - all in an effort to depose of one guy - Milosovek.
Notes (Cruise missile watch):
Southern Watch - 45
Operation Bushwacker - 23
Deliberate Force - 13
Desert Strike - 44
Infinite Reach - 79
Desert Fox - 420
Allied Force - 280
Or as my daughter's teacher told her 8th grade class back in 2001, "At least Bill Clinton never bombed anyone."
Nice that Helen could take
June 12, 2007 - 18:06 ET by Tim the EnchanterNice that Helen could take time out from starring in "Van Helsing II" to do this interview!
I read that deal where Larr
June 12, 2007 - 19:01 ET by BigBI read that deal where Larry Flynt is offering a pile o' cash to get the low down on nekid politicians doing unsavory acts....
Just imagine...really.....Old Helen capering around wearing nothing but a smile..
Jesus.....
Now, this might sting just a little bit.....
Big B: If I were in front of
June 12, 2007 - 19:16 ET by Mica the MagnificentBig B: If I were in front of Helen and she had nothing on but a smile, it would take the jaws of life to get my d**k out from hiding!
Please, if you have to put a
June 12, 2007 - 21:33 ET by jdhawkPlease, if you have to put a picture up just put a silhouette of a woman from now on. I don't want to traumatize children should they walk by. She is ugly beyond words.
By the way, I thought she was dead.
Where are the resident libe
June 13, 2007 - 08:02 ET by Sergeant ROCKWhere are the resident liberals to defend this hobgoblin's integrity?
More senseless stupid drivel
June 13, 2007 - 09:57 ET by the_red_stateMore senseless stupid drivel from The Creature.