Tony Snow Reprimands CBS's Harry Smith: 'You Can't Have Your Own Facts'

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On the June 12 "Early Show," anchor Harry Smith again pounded Tony Snow, and Tony Snow again responded with a reprimand. Smith, who recently offered a puffy interview of Al Gore, continued his harsh interrogation of the White House press secretary. When discussing the G-8 summit, Snow asserted that Bush has "taken the lead" on initiatives such as climate change. Smith interrupted Snow like wise.

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SMITH: I think that's following on climate change. He's following on climate change.

SNOW: No, no I don't think so --

SMITH: These other countries are setting the table for this, for years. The president is late to this table. You can't flip that around --

Snow, who previously accused Smith of sounding "like a partisan" hit the CBS anchor right back.

SNOW: No, Harry, you can't have your own facts. We got a better record than the rest of the world. We have more --

SMITH: And he should have better record than we already have and you know that –

Harry Smith then moved to Guantanamo Bay noting former Secretary of State Colin Powell is calling for its closing. After Snow asserted that "some people there" are "really dangerous," Smith continued to advocate for its closing.

"You know, by keeping it open, and keeping it there, you're basically saying the United States justice system can't be trusted to prosecute these people properly. Why not just shut it down?"

Early in the interview, Smith mildly sided with the president, but on an issue where the president gets the bulk of his criticism from the right, immigration reform. Smith asked Snow: "Doesn’t the president have to convince those people who are so adamant about this that he may be right?"

The entire transcript is below.

HARRY SMITH: For more on the president's Capitol Hill visit, we turn now to White House Press Secretary Tony Snow. Tony, good morning.

TONY SNOW: Good morning, Harry.

SMITH: We just heard in this report from Joie Chen 38 Republicans voted against this immigration bill. Any real chance of getting any of them to change their minds?

SNOW: Yeah, there is, because if you take a look at the vote last week, it wasn't necessarily on the immigration bill. There are some people that are opposed to it, but also a fair number of Republicans were unhappy because Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid did not want to continue the process of debating a lot of Amendments. Say, people like John Warner and others saying, "well, wait a minute, this is the Senate. We need to have a full debate." I think what you're going to find, Harry, is that Senate Republicans are going to put together a package of amendments, they're going to present them to Democrats, saying this is what we want to debate, and we seem to be getting some signals out of the majority leader that he'll go ahead and make that debate possible. Therefore, we feel pretty confident we're going to get passage.

SMITH: But when this thing went down last week, there were a number of conservative groups very vocal, very determined, very angry people who said, "see, this system works for us. The people in Washington listen." They're very angry at the president as well.

SNOW: Well, you know, and you can kind of understand it. Look, 21 years ago, we had immigration reform. And what did they promise? They promised to have secure borders, and to do assimilation, economic things, and none of it came to pass. And so there's, there's a fairly high amount of skepticism right now about whether Congress is going to be able to follow through on security and all the measures. What's interesting is if you take a look at the component parts there are more than 60 votes in either House. I'm sorry, 60 votes in the Senate. And furthermore if you do the polling on the component parts, they're all highly popular. But there is a big level of skepticism, which is why the bill has been written in such a way as to say "okay, don't trust us verify."

SMITH: Doesn't the president have to convince those people who are so adamant about this that he may be right?

SNOW: Yeah, well, look, there are some people who are not going to be persuaded because they disagree with them. But there are also a lot of people right now who are saying, well, who's right here? I think that's one of the reasons why you have political debate in this country. You're absolutely right. We're going to continue to present our arguments to the American people and explain exactly what this bill says what it does and why it answers people's qualms about security, provide security first, why it restores rule of law and why it makes citizenship special.

SMITH: The other thing that comes up then is that the president can't get this done, in which he has placed so much of his own prestige and will and everything else. Does this not show that he's a lame duck?

SNOW: Well, think of it -- let's flip it around. The president just came back from a G-8 session where, you know, when everybody went, they said, well, here's George W. Bush, the whole world's against him on climate change. Guess what? He goes to the G-8, leads the way on climate change, leads the way in development, leads the way --

SMITH: I think that's following on climate change. He's following on climate change.

SNOW: No, no I don't think so --

SMITH: These other countries are setting the table for this, for years. The president is late to this table. You can't flip that around --

SNOW: No, Harry, you can't have your own facts. We got a better record than the rest of the world. We have more --

SMITH: And he should have better record than we already have and you know that --

SNOW: No, what you're, what you're arguing is that you regulate your way in. It never works, hasn't. What the president says is use technology as the way of doing it. Guess what everybody agreed. Now, when it comes to domestic policy, the president laid out a number of key items in the State of the Union address. Immigration is one of them, we feel pretty good about that. They're debating energy right now. He's been able to implement a fair amount of that by executive order. No Child Left Behind, that's got bipartisan support. What I think you're going to see is big major legislation being passed in the seventh year of the presidency. That's not a lame duck. What you have is a situation of a lot of political contentiousness.

SMITH: Alright we'll see. General Colin Powell goes on television over the weekend. He says that the United States should shut down the detention center at Guantanamo, Cuba. Is there any way the president would consider this?

SNOW: The president says he wants it shut down. I mean look, we don't like the situation with Guantanamo. The problem is, you've got some people there who are really dangerous and the president doesn't want them on U.S. soil. What are we trying to do? We've asked their countries of origin --

SMITH: You know, by keeping it open, and keeping it there, you're basically saying the United States justice system can't be trusted to prosecute these people properly. Why not just shut it down?

SNOW: No, no, that's not at all what you're saying. What you're saying is that there's a long chain of precedent extends back to the founding of this country where you treat, where you treat enemy combatants in military tribunals. That's always been the case. And furthermore, the approach has been supported by the Supreme Court and we've had legisla- we had a big legislative debate about this last year where we got resolution. The fact is Harry, we don't want Guantanamo open. But the guys there are so dangerous, their countries of origin don't want them back. So what we're trying to do is set up a process where their rights are respected where you have a disposition, at the same time, you keep the American people safe. We certainly understand what, what Secretary Powell is, is saying.

SMITH: Tony Snow, we thank you so much. We understand the president is going to buy vacation property in Albania.

SNOW: Bada boom, thanks, Harry.

—Justin McCarthy is a news analyst at Media Research Center.


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Harry Smith. What a jerk.....

Harry Smith. What a jerk.....That Albania vacation property comment was TOTALLY uncalled for (but I loved Tony's response!)

No RINOs in '08 - Thompson/Hunter would be a good ticket; Thompson/Steele would be a great ticket

Is it OK that I have a man-c

Is it OK that I have a man-crush on Tony Snow?

*****

"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello

Hero Squad:Yes, but you can't

Hero Squad:

Yes, but you can't post that here.

Tony: Hey Harry, why don't you visit quantanamo and just shove your tongue down the throat of a terrorist and get it over with? - - - It has to be said.

And yet, I'm sure, if asked,

And yet, I'm sure, if asked, Smith would (disingenuously) protest that he feels he's neutral and balanced...

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

Snow

IMO both Snow and Smith have a huge disconnect with average Americans. Smith is simply a liberal, biased, elitist  "jounalist" . But Snow is also out of touch. Ask the average Joe why he is against this bill and he will say nothing about amendments and debates in Wahington. And he will be thoroughly pissed if this thing passes. The real "two Americas" are Washington and the rest of the nation.

NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal

Be American or begone

Can we agree on the premise there is another agenda influencing Washington than is held by America?  It is inexplicable that President Bush would waste what political capital he has by publicly flogging a heretofore loyal base.

How is it we are racist for insisting those who come to our country be Americans?  All those "Diversity Training" seminars we attended in the 90's were aimed at shutting Americans up and forcing them to witness the crumbling national identity.

Why is it not an insult to hyphenate any American.  Why would an American demand to be recognized more by race than country of allegiance unless the descriptor preceding the hyphen is meant as a flag of division.

If my "home" country treated me with as much hatred as Mexico treats its poorer citizens,  I like to think I'd find another place to live and never look back.

Be American or begone

Lysdexics Untie!

Be American or begone

Amen!!

Tony Snow

"both Snow and Smith have a huge disconnect with average Americans".

I often wonder what Snow's real opinion is.  On Fox he always seemed pretty grounded, but as the Press Secretary he has to tow the Presidents line.  With that said, I still think he is one of the best we have seen in years.

As press secretary his job is

As press secretary his job is to toe the president's line. Smith, on the other hand, is supposed to be a journalist, but he demonstrates his Leftist bias.

toe the presidents line?? wh

toe the presidents line??

 which is about as honest as communist russia was and has evolved into...

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

"Jesus is my co-pilot if

"Jesus is my co-pilot if he listen to Rush, and Muslims are my very, very good friends..."

and were you born before rush was conceived or after the fairness doctrine?

so the avg iq of this site is 75?


A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

monty...can you count that high?

Do you know what comes after 75?

Please tell me...what makes you think you are so smart and that everyone else is so stupid?

its the BDS.........and maybe

its the BDS.........

and maybe all that LSD he took

That's my profile monty, not

That's my profile monty, not matts...

You really need to take a break now - before you hurt yourself...

That's nice.  Did the I.Q. s

That's nice.  Did the I.Q. survey start and stop with you?

Dahlia, I don't think so.  I

Dahlia, I don't think so.  I think the average IQ of this site is about 75.  If Montana Lyons left the site, the average IQ would about double.  Who knows how high the average would go if all of the libtrolls decided to go play on Hufftard or the Koskids blogs?

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

lol

lol

Why do Leftist Trolls always disappoint?

               Like many conservatives on the web I would love to have a friendly intellectual debate with someone from the left.     If they use logical arguments backed up with documentable facts and I can not find a flaw in their argument or evidence, then I need to do some more research.  That research will either let me argue more effectively in the future or cause me to adjust my view. 

   All the liberal trolls I have seen here and on FR make no real effort to engage in dialogue.  They are full of cheap insults, hyperbole, and venom for the President, Christians in general and anyone that thinks America is a basically a good country trying to do good in the world.

   I will make liberal trolls a simple offer, stop with the petty insults, the trash talk the anti-Bush slogans, and  assert your point, in a reasoned, serious, thoughtful manner.  I will do everything in my power to answer you in a reasoned, serious thoughtful manner.

      If  we conservatives are so un-informed, such sheep, so stupid  uneducated and illogical; then you should have no problem coming up with at least one example or case, where liberals are clearly in the right and conservatives are clearly in the wrong and all available evidence supports the liberal position.

Wow, it's been so long - i fo

Wow, it's been so long - i forgot all about that stuff - thanks Jonah!

Jonah,I hate to say it, but

Jonah,

I hate to say it, but the Stanley Cup Playoffs will be held in Hell long before that happens.

Build the damn fence, George!

I don't always agree with th

I don't always agree with the policies Snow has to defend. I'm just addressing Smith's on-air provocative hostility towards Republicans and in particular, this administration - traits that he would deny, if asked.

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

All I can say is Snow is a mu

All I can say is Snow is a much smoother liar/spinner than Bush.

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

Snow a liar?Really?Prove it.

Snow a liar?

Really?

Prove it.

Im sorry he cant be a liar if

Im sorry he cant be a liar if hes only following Bush's honest agenda. Hmm, who wrote for the Pravda?

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

"Im sorry he cant be a l

"Im sorry he cant be a liar if hes only following Bush's honest agenda. Hmm, who wrote for the Pravda?"

Translation: Sorry, Deuce, I can't prove it.

Monty has "left the buil

Monty has "left the building" so to speak...

rangly rangly rangly

hey, maybe we can spin the qu

hey, maybe we can spin the question around the way fox loves to do so well.

What has snowjob told us that has been honest?

ummm, katrina, the war for terrorism, patriot act...on ad infinitum

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

"All I can say is that S

"All I can say is that Snow..."

Oh, if only that was all that you would say...

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

"If the dog barks and ha

"If the dog barks and has no bite, then it must be Georgie."

Monty Lyons

Bush for lame duck prez in 2008!

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

ML - how "lame duck' was

ML - how "lame duck' was he when he vetod the war spending bill?

speaking of lame

Monty...was that an attempt at humor?...LAME

wow, george can sign his name

wow, george can sign his name!

"get it done!"

yeh rt, at this point he gets me  more laughs from me than homer simpson, a good family man, who is at least honest about his alcoholism.

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

He's really got that "un

He's really got that "uncleaned dorm room smell" doesn't he...?

Don't you have some laundry to bring home monty...? I think you're out of video game money too...back to your folks house with ya...

SNOW: No, Harry, you can't

SNOW: No, Harry, you can't have your own facts. We got a better record than the rest of the world. We have more --

SMITH: And he should have better record than we already have and you know that –

Is Smith interviewing Snow, or is he debating him? Because, if you're participating in a debate, you must necessarily take a side...

~~~

"The current tax code is harder to understand than Bob Dylan reading Finnegan's Wake in a wind tunnel."-- Dennis Miller

SNOW: No, Harry, you can't ha

SNOW: No, Harry, you can't have your own facts.

But, like I have the "facts" and  I was told to tell 'em!

 We got a better record than the rest of the world.  Thats a fack,Jack!

hmmmm

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

"The fact is Harry, we don't want Guantanamo open. "

hmm another fack (Bushista spin)?

Dopey gobshite. A free press

Dopey gobshite.

A free press has been long gone in Cuba and Venezuala, but liberals love despots still, right Monty?

Anyone who says they support the troops but not the mission is a liar. 

Montana Lyin', the United Sta

Montana Lyin', the United States is a net carbon sink.  Both our forests and our agricultural industries are net carbon sinks.  Our net output of carbon has gone down since we didn't sign on to Kyoto.  During that same time period Europe, who did sign on to Kyoto has increased its net carbon output by 5%.  (I think 5% is the correct number.)  I have already linked to our forests and agricultural land being carbon sinks.  You can either search NB for that thread, or you can search the net for them.

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

That is a rather dubious ar

That is a rather dubious argument. The Earth had already achieved a CO2 equilibrium before people started burning fossil fuels; and America's forests were already accounted for in that balance. Any additional CO2 production which does not find a new sink is going to contribute to the greenhouse effect.

Additionally, farmland often takes up land previously occupied by forests, and is not as good a sink as forests. So farmland should really be counted as a source of CO2 in that sense.

steve2007-By that argument, i

steve2007-By that argument, it would stand to reason that CO2 levels now are higher than they ever have been. And that just aint so. CO2 levels have been higher in the past, way before clear cutting and farming 'en mass and before the use of "fossel fuels", which is, its self, a misnomer.

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*crickets* Save a SeAL, club

*crickets*

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bass -- good call on so cal

bass -- good call on so called 'fossil fuels'.

It never tires repeating that there are millions of dopes who actually think "oil" comes from crushed dinos!

There's no limit to lib***ls believing any fairy tale they are fed.

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Jack, These people are hilari

Jack, These people are hilarious. They never cease to make me laugh at the level of stupidity they have achieved.

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bass -- well it is a known

bass -- well it is a known fact that in the past the Dinosaurs and lush vegetation was only found in places that are now deserts and frozen tundra.

So they could die, be crushed and become oil.

Hey, I guess the CLIMATE must have changed.

So if it was that WARM in Alaska -- then it must have been boiling in the tropics.

But what about Saudi... And how come the globe heated up that much. And why did it cool down. to freeze the arctic again.

You know, the place with the second largest known crude oil reserves.

Gosh so many questions.

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Wow you're right. The clim

Wow you're right. The climate has changed! And before that, the planet was fully molten.

What is your point? How does that argument say anything about the question of the current global warming?

Climate change

Currently, Global Warming alarmists claim that Global Warming is the fault of MAN!!!

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

The sun & nature (volcano

The sun & nature (volcanos) cause global warming. Man's input is tiny in comparision.

Why are other planets heating up?

Anthropogenic solar warming

This is getting out of hand. Now we are heating up the entire solar system.

OH, SH*T!!! What's next, the galaxy? Al Gore is right. Man must be stopped now. Liberals, please take the lead, stop breathing and creating CO2...please, for the sake of the Universe.

Well - those two SUVs we sent

Well - those two SUVs we sent up to Mars are destroying that planet. And think of all the trash we left on the Moon. We are terrible creatures. I feel so guilty.......

brother, can you spare a carbon credit?

drought

I heard Mars is suffering from a major drought. Also, Venus is victim of acid rain. Everyone on Jupiter must endure the worst Ice Age imaginable...and tragically, everyone there is also morbidly obese because of the effect fo gravity.

Yep...no doubt about it. Solar system is falling apart and only Al Gore, Eco-Warrior, can save it.

[btw, sorry bro, got no bling or CC.]

We even stole Pluto's identit

We even stole Pluto's identity. Now its not sure how to refer to itself. destroyers and discriminators we are..... the shame

gotta go get my teeth cleaned (aren't you glad you know that) see you tonight

Not in the current case. ht

Not in the current case. http://arxiv.org/abs...

Your inane question just sh

Your inane question just shows how you have no regard (or maybe it's just no knowledge) for the scientific method.

It's really quite pathetic that you insist on making an ass of yourself.

But just to get you on the record, you are seriously proposing that what happened in the past has no relevance to what happens today. Wow.

Except, of course, for some arbitary date of YOUR choosing based on some arbitary criterion of your choosing.

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Well where does oil come fr

Well where does oil come from?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

MM -- there are a number of

MM -- there are a number of theories, including this laughable "fossil" idea.

Given that oil can easily be synthesized industrially, I am more persuaded by the idea that it was created by natural chemical processes under the violent earth's surface.

The whole "fossil" idea is a total fiction invented to scare people that oil would, of course, "run out."

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Could you please elaborate

Could you please elaborate on your idea of "natural chemical processes undern the violent earth's surface"?

Oil has the right structure to come from fossilized organisms, being made of hydrocarbons. This is the accepted theory as to the origin of oil.

Frankly, I think you're quite clueless when it comes to science. You've made up your mind about certain things ahead of time, and are willing to modify reality to vindicate yourself.

Critically Think

Think about it for just a few moments. How much oil has been used over just the last 50 years? How many dinosaurs would have had to been around to create all of that oil?

Hmmmmmmm?

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

its like we are killing them

its like we are killing them a second time...........

so destructive are we

Steve00,Hydrocarbons are made

Steve00,

Hydrocarbons are made by planets!

http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/hydrocarbons_titan_atmosphere.html

IRANIAN  URANIMUN ,IRANIAN  URANIMUN IRANIAN  URANIMUN ,  not a tongue twister , it's just a 7th. century life choice. DUH

Sounds reasonable to me Jac

Sounds reasonable to me Jack. Of course with my limited knowledge of the subject my usual response to the question is: "From the ground" :-)

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

MM...ground ???

MM, I thought it came from Wal*Mart. Don't they sell everything?               ;-)

Don't know LK, I haven't be

Don't know LK, I haven't been in a Wal*Mart in some time. But I am even further disconnected from the "Texas Tea" than Wal*Mart shoppers. I pull my car up to GreaseMonkey, go in for a cup of coffee and in about 10 minutes my oil is changed (or so they tell me).

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

The most logical theory is th

The most logical theory is the Abiogenic theory. This would account for the biomarkers and wouldent have killed the dinosaurs in the process.

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The Earth makes it. http://ww

The Earth makes it.

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=16737

Less paper work to drill Titan , send Halliburton.

up,A certain AGW apologist

up,

A certain AGW apologist seems to be ignoring your links. I wonder why?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

My apologies. If you're

My apologies. If you're not comfortable using standard terminology, what word would you prefer I use to describe oil, gas and coal?

Where do you think oil comes from if not from fossilized plants and animals? Did God put it there?

Sure big brain. That's the

Sure big brain. That's the choice: God or crushed dinos.

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Jack...I would say that God c

Jack...

I would say that God crushed the dinos so we could have oil in the future for our survival. Works for me!

Prove you can secure our borders first. The only legislation that counts!

How many T-rex died to fuel m

How many T-rex died to fuel my truck and boat? Ohhhhh the pain of it! I cant bare the thought!

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I miss the good old days when

I miss the good old days when you could look out into your backyard and watch your dog get eaten by a T-Rex.

Prove you can secure our borders first. The only legislation that counts!

Trex ate one of my horses whe

Trex ate one of my horses when I was a kid. Never forget the hunting trip for that Trex. Well, he will never eat another horse!

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I hope you turned him into oi

I hope you turned him into oil.

The dino, not your horse.

Prove you can secure our borders first. The only legislation that counts!

Jack, not only is this guy tr

Jack, not only is this guy trying to hard to impress someone, he really thinks you get all the oil only after all teh plants and animals turn to rock, then by magic, turn into oil! His theroies are common, but he is not very well read and he sounds like he watched algores movie, and bit! Likely he is just out of school for the summer...

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steve2007, here is your infor

steve2007, here is your information on oil formation. Dr. Kenney  was quoted as stating that "competent physicists, chemists, chemical engineers and men knowledgeable of thermodynamics have known that natural petroleum does not evolve from biological materials since the last quarter of the 19th century." Really steve, all you need do is apply yourself in school, and dont belive everything your told by algore, and you will be suprised what you can learn.

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Kenney is certainly in the

Kenney is certainly in the minority on this issue. The vast majority of scientists are convinced of the more conventional theory for oil formation. http://en.wikipedia....

You didn't even understand the principle behind the greenhouse effect. Did you even go to school?

steve, puleeezeeee....talk ab

steve, puleeezeeee....talk about not understanding greenhouse. And I posted earlier, we dont use wiki here. It is a public access point and anyone can write anything they want in there. It is not very well regulated, if at all. If this is where you are getting your information from, its no wonder you come off as an uneducated parrot. As for Kennedy, if you read his report, you will find the formula for crude oil, and the physics behind it. A little real research on your part, you will find that, while a minority in the population, a vast majority of the population of the sicentists that work with such things, all agree with Kennedy. Did you read the links or the paper Kennedy and the others wrote? Dont insult me when you come off as a kid out of middle school for the summer. You post your "wiki" referances, and dont know it is written by laymen. Use a real referance. And the abiogenic theroy dosent require biologics to form crude. But it accounts for the biomarkers.

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Bass, people use wiki on here

Bass, people use wiki on here all the time. 

When the conservative NBs use it, they always begin, NORMALLY I HATE TO USE WIKI, BUT...

you guys only reject it until it's the only source you can find, then you use it.  Convenient indeed.

Could you provide a referen

Could you provide a reference that CO2 levels were higher historically? A quick Google search led me to http://cdiac.ornl.go... , which is a US government web site that says current levels are unprecedented during the past 420,000 years.

Even if levels were higher historically, your conclusion is still wrong. I have no clue how my argument that it's silly to count the US as a carbon sink leads to the conclusion that CO2 levels are now higher than they ever have been. The huge increase in CO2 emissions is, on historical timescales, a sudden perturbation to the climate system. Previously, the CO2 levels were changing so slowly in comparison that they could be considered constant.

Please -- don't come here u

Please -- don't come here unarmed.

CO2 levels have been five to TEN times higher than today. Do you understand that? Is it sinking in?

Do your own research. Your self-induced ignorance is almost -- staggering.

I bet you think carbon dioxide is a "pollutant."

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Still waiting on that ref

Still waiting on that reference. And I mean, within reasonably modern timescales (say, past 500,000 years). I don't doubt that CO2 levels have fluctuated. All I am saying is that today's levels are very high, and that is because we've started emitting.

http://www.realclima...

realclimate? As a source? Ple

realclimate? As a source? Please. That is a global warming alarmist web site. Made for global warming, by global waming. You gotta do better than that. Your fear of going back farther than 500 000 years clearly shows that you know that CO2 levels have been higher in the past.

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Well realclimate.org is mai

Well realclimate.org is maintained by climate scientists. I suppose they could all be corrupt, or poor scientists. Doubtful though.

http://www.realclima...

What are your sources?

The reason I don't want to go back more than 500,000 years is not because I want to hide the fact that the atmosphere was much different then, but because it is irrelevant. Humanity is accustomed to the modern state of the Earth. Are you advocating a return to something much different?

What a non-scientific disem

What a non-scientific disembler. Pathetic.

You'll laugh. You'll cry. You'll talk jive! Just check out my latest YouTube video Hillary Clinton Talks Jive

You know you've won an argu

You know you've won an argument when your opponent just resorts to insults.

steve2007, this is all a disc

steve2007, this is all a discussion we have had before on this site. Let me do this the easy way. Chumly was another of your buddies, maybe even you in a diffrent life. NL207 did this alot better than I could so here you go. Just replace Chumly, with steve2007.

"NL207 Says:
April 5, 2007 - 20:06
Chumly, lets see if you've a shread of common sense at all.  Like some of he others on this board, my academic training is as a scientist.  I am going to do something here that is a legitimate engineering estimation technique and that should be enough to convince even you that these gobal warming alarmists deserve neither heed nor credence.  Generally, this technique is called a bounds analysis.  [See here, for a couple of course descriptions that teach this thinking.  I got 1.1 million hits on the search.  I just picked one of the first few. ]  It is intended to discover the maxima and minima of the range of some result over ths domain of its input.  It can be used in the reverse as well, given a range of values, estimate the domain of variability, which I will do here.

Some facts, all of which may be easily Googled.  (1)  the mean temperaure of th