Update: Regardless of your religious views, the point of my post here is to lampoon the silly false choice posed by the poorly-worded question. I think I know what Quinn and Meacham are getting at. Allow me to be their oracle as to what they meant to ask: "In obtaining salvation, in your faith perspective, which is more important, faith or good works?" That wasn't so hard, now was it?
I know the media don't get religion, but this is ridiculous. Newsweek's "On Faith" discussion question for the week: "What's more important from a faith perspective? Being saved? Or doing good works?"
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Uh....forty-two?....unless it
June 11, 2007 - 16:32 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveUh....forty-two?....unless it's a new moon, then it would be none?
Undoubtedly members of the ID10T Think Tank.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Unbelievable. There isn't one
June 11, 2007 - 16:33 ET by mvfreemanUnbelievable. There isn't one christian on the staff who would know what the whole point of faith is?
Here's a clue: As far as being saved it is your soul we're talking about.
And anyone who has read Paul's epistles would know that we are saved by Grace not works.
I guess that's par for the course for Newsweek.
Well the Bible says that fait
June 11, 2007 - 16:36 ET by TruthMongerWell the Bible says that faith without works is dead...
Hey Newsweek read the Bible! It's what Christians do:)...
That's where we get this stuff...
Big thick book - says "Holy Bible" on it...
True but salvation being more
June 11, 2007 - 16:42 ET by mvfreemanTrue but salvation being more important is a no brainer.
I'd still leave the final wor
June 11, 2007 - 16:45 ET by TruthMongerI'd still leave the final word up to the big guy myself...
Faith
June 12, 2007 - 09:18 ET by cvgbuckeyeWell, the majority of the answers that the Bible offers on the subject of works is found in the book of James.
Strange as it may sound, salvation is salvation and you will not lose it due to a lack of good works and the only unpardonable sin is blasophomy of the Holy Spirit which certainly includes apostasy.
The fly in the ointment here is the question of - Can true salvation really exist without a desire to do good works? I believe that the answer is always known by those who have truly recieved salvation. As they grow in their Christianity, the desire to perform "Good Works" is cultivated by the Holy Spirit and their fellowship with other Christians.
It is a deep, deep subject which does not reveal itself overnight and is almost impossible for non-believers to understand and hence the dilema of converting non-believers. The Bible tells us that the word of God is nonsense and foolishness to the unbeliever.
I may have likely made the issue even more confusing but you cannot deal with eternity via bumper sticker philosophy and 5 paragraph theology - although that is what satan employs some unbelievers to argue with.
Well said CVGBuckeye, if only
June 12, 2007 - 11:15 ET by vrwc13Well said CVGBuckeye, if only the non-believers would seek and ask questions like Nicodemus did...
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%203:2-5;&version=31;
And consider the outcome of Pacals Wager...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascals_wager
Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore
Here's a hint: IT'S NOT AN EI
June 11, 2007 - 16:56 ET by Challenger GrimHere's a hint: IT'S NOT AN EITHER/OR QUESTION.
It's an "AND" question.
We're not talking about a see saw where you have to make a choice to balance one side or the other, we're talking about a loop, or a snowball.
By your faith, you do good works. In doing good works, you help your soul and those of others, thus encouraging faith and restarting the loop.
Morons.
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Maybe you should read the que
June 11, 2007 - 17:06 ET by mvfreemanOh yeah, sorry mvfreeman. I
June 11, 2007 - 17:15 ET by Challenger GrimOh yeah, sorry mvfreeman. I was sort of "hear hear!" you there, backing up your statement.
Sorry if it came off as contrary.
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I jumped the gun.
June 11, 2007 - 17:52 ET by mvfreemanI jumped the gun.
I jumped the gun.
June 11, 2007 - 17:52 ET by mvfreemanExactly. It's like one of tho
June 12, 2007 - 10:52 ET by pbanks7Exactly. It's like one of those questions the Pharisees would pose to Jesus in an attempt to trick him.
Faith is important, for it causes you to do good works, which strengthens faith, etc. If you don't do good works, your faith is phony. AND so it is.
Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.
Faith
June 11, 2007 - 17:50 ET by NortoBeliever
I just want to thank all who posted here. I scanned most of the lot and can tell there are many true "believers" posting and would not have thought the % would be that high. I have seen that here b4 tho' and thanks. Quite inspiring and gives me hope for '08.
We must be discerning with all the candidates. It is not necessary for the POTUS to be saved IMHO, but ethics, morality and character do count. The person we nominate must come clean on all the important issues.
Can someone let that site know they can get the answer here?
Who's Faith?
June 11, 2007 - 16:34 ET by Mica the MagnificentIf I knew Faith, I'd know her perspective. Duh!?
...and why does her perspecti
June 11, 2007 - 16:35 ET by Mean Gene Dr. Love...and why does her perspective matter?
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Mean Gene DL : I dunno. I'm n
June 11, 2007 - 16:40 ET by Mica the MagnificentMean Gene DL : I dunno. I'm not smart enough to subscribe to Newsweek.
Faith baiting! ;- )
June 11, 2007 - 16:35 ET by The Wicked ConservativeIf you're not saved you go to hell. Seems cut and dry to me. Once saved good works become part of your life. And while we're at it the chicken came first too. All the good works in the world won't save you from an eternity in damnation for your sins. Think I'm wrong? Try that in a court of law. Imagine a lawyer "well judge my client may be a murderer but he works in a soup kitchen 5 days a week, gives to the poor, and runs a clothing drive. Please won't you just let him go?" Nope sorry that doesn't cut it. If mere man's law demands justice over a persons how much more will a holy God demand it. The only thing that can protect us from punishment is a savior! Get to know Him before it's too late.
The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.
But which one is more importa
June 11, 2007 - 16:41 ET by TruthMongerBut which one is more important? Only God knows that. Maybe he'll post something on it...
As long as we're hating stand-alone Bible verses today - here's one from Matthew 7:
21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Anyone care to interpret:)? You go first...
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Ps. 6.8
As for vs 21 TM Jesus is sp
June 11, 2007 - 16:46 ET by The Wicked ConservativeAs for vs 21 TM Jesus is speaking about people who may sit in church but never turn from their sins. Even in a pentecostal church like mine you'll find many in the congregation that may call upon His name but never repent never stop sinning. Salvation is first, PERIOD. Your faith is dead with out works but you're dead with out a savior.
The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.
I would probably lean that wa
June 11, 2007 - 16:53 ET by TruthMongerI would probably lean that way too...faith comes before works in that quote...and the most important commandment is to love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself...
That should give anyone the answer they're looking for on this...
Probably relating to this ver
June 11, 2007 - 16:48 ET by mvfreemanProbably relating to this verse:
Mat 7:15¶Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Seeing that faith is a word t
June 11, 2007 - 16:54 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveSeeing that faith is a word that involves action or effort, and salvation depends on faith, then you must do good works to be saved, but I don't think either one is more important than the other...they depend on each other.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Faith in the context of a bel
June 11, 2007 - 16:58 ET by mvfreemanFaith in the context of a belief in God is a noun.
We're getting heavy now...pea
June 11, 2007 - 17:02 ET by TruthMongerWe're getting heavy now...peel the onion...
God, can you please chime in here?
He already has, just need to
June 11, 2007 - 17:08 ET by vrwc13He already has, just need to read His Book.
LOL! Sorry. :)
June 11, 2007 - 17:10 ET by mvfreemanLOL! Sorry. :)
Faith as discussed in Hebrews
June 11, 2007 - 17:10 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveFaith as discussed in Hebrews 11; James 2:14, 17-18, 20, 22, 24, 26; Romans 4:16; 1 Peter 1:9...definitely a verb...notice what faith is coupled with in these passages: works and salvation.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Very cool analogy..."God
June 11, 2007 - 17:22 ET by TruthMongerVery cool analogy...
"God is happy, sabu...he plays with us..."
From the film "Out of Africa"
The thief on the cross had fa
June 11, 2007 - 17:07 ET by vrwc13The thief on the cross had faith in Jesus, no works - he is in Heaven with Jesus.
The rich young ruler had a lot of good works and no faith in Jesus - he is not in Heaven with Jesus.
Indeed. The thief had no chan
June 12, 2007 - 11:10 ET by pbanks7Indeed. The thief had no chance to perform works, so his faith alone got him into heaven.
I used to have BIG PROBLEMS with the unfairness that the ruler wouldn't make it into heaven, but just last night I read: It may not be FAIR, but it is JUST. Anyone who sees the miracle of the world, has to see there is a God. If he seeks God, God will make sure he hears of Jesus. (They're called missionaries). Failure to have faith in Jesus will prohibit heaven. Scary stuff if you don't believe. raystedman.org. A real eye-opener for the Christ-curious.
Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.
Matthew 7:21 ¶ Not every one
June 11, 2007 - 17:05 ET by Hoosier DaddyMatthew 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Anyone care to interpret:)? You go first...
The will of My Father is to believe on Him who sent Me (or words to that effect). We are saved by faith through grace, not by works (Isaiah and Paul). Works are a reflection of our faith in our Saviour. However, faith without works is dead (James). One can say and do all the proper things but only God can see his heart and know if his faith is real or superficial.
I hope this helps.
This is most certainly the kind of question we have come to expect from Newsweek and its ilk.
Evolutionists have heard of Darwin; Creationists understand Darwin.
Very helpful...amen...
June 11, 2007 - 17:07 ET by TruthMongerVery helpful...amen...
Isn't that what liberals want
June 11, 2007 - 16:46 ET by dscottIsn't that what liberals wanted us to believe about Tookie Williams?
Once saved good works become part of your life.
Are we asking liberals to understand such a nuance? It's beyond them, you're talking about a group of people who believe in form over substance, assertions over facts. For them what James 2 wrote was totally confusing.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
You think conservatives hav
June 11, 2007 - 16:50 ET by balboaYou think conservatives have never shown favoritism to someone because they were rich or held a certain station in life?
Really?
eh? What has favoritism got
June 11, 2007 - 16:57 ET by dscotteh? What has favoritism got to do with Tookie Williams, a murderer who never admitted what he did was wrong? It has nothing to do with his station in life, it has to do with his failure to acknowledge his guilt. The central act of Salvation in Christ is the acknowledgement of sin, i.e. you're wrong, God is right. Without the confession of sin there can be no forgiveness otherwise why does one need forgiveness?
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
I took a quick glance at yo
June 11, 2007 - 17:06 ET by balboaI took a quick glance at your Bible passage, and it had a rich guy, and a poor guy, so I thought that was your inference.
A "quick glance" at
June 11, 2007 - 17:14 ET by TruthMongerA "quick glance" at the Bible will getcha everytime:)!
I'm praying for your well-being, bal...I'd like to say that you have a fantastic curiousity - and we still usually beat you up pretty good here anyway...very sorry...ya big jerk! lol...
It's all part of the fun!
June 11, 2007 - 17:16 ET by balboaIt's all part of the fun!
It's fun alright, but in the
June 11, 2007 - 17:19 ET by vrwc13It's fun alright, but in the end don't miss the boat. We would truely miss you after all this is done.
naah - we don't do that...! B
June 11, 2007 - 16:57 ET by TruthMongernaah - we don't do that...! But libs do...
Liberals have shown favoritis
June 11, 2007 - 16:58 ET by Challenger GrimLiberals have shown favoritism all the time ESPECIALLY if someone holds a certain station in life.
But just because people fail at an ideal, that does not invalidate the ideal.
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Well said, Wicked!
June 11, 2007 - 16:58 ET by rimskyWell said, Wicked!
I read a lot of the responses
June 11, 2007 - 16:36 ET by vrwc13I read a lot of the responses...this one I thought I would share...
walt most(says) :
"the Scriptures clearly state that good works, as important as they are, i.e.- helping people, giving to charities, beind kind to your neighbor..... are important, they will never save a person from eternal seperation from God, that is spending eternity in hell. being saved, accepting Jesus into to your heart and life, by being born again is the only way to Heaven. thats the only way to be forgiven of your sins. you get saved to do good works, not the other way around. Jesus said- I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no man cometh unto the Father (Heaven) but by me. nowhere does the Bible mention good works will get you there. John 3:3 and 3:5 Jesus said you must be born again."
June 11, 2007 5:43 AM
my add...check them out - all other religions are work based, all.
So doing good things while he
June 11, 2007 - 16:39 ET by balboaSo doing good things while here on earth isn't important? Because as long as you accept Jesus, you're on to Heaven?
I don't think it's the dumbest question ever, Ken. It's a discussion starter.
It's pretty stupid to word
June 11, 2007 - 16:43 ET by Ken ShepherdIt's pretty stupid to word the question like that. I kinda, maybe see what they're getting at, but it's really stupid how they went about it.
Hence it's ripe for ridicule.
Eh. I think you want it to
June 11, 2007 - 16:47 ET by balboaEh. I think you want it to be the dumbest question ever, that way you can play to your strength, which is ridiculing MSM outlets for their coverage of religion.
Ta-da! :-D
Absolutely bal - THEY SUCK:)!
June 11, 2007 - 16:48 ET by TruthMongerAbsolutely bal - THEY SUCK:)!!
Okay, fine, the dumbest que
June 11, 2007 - 16:49 ET by Ken ShepherdOkay, fine, the dumbest question ever asked was by a young Rosie O'Donnell in 8th grade to her science teacher. I believe it was, "Is it true that fire can't melt steel?"
Actually, the dumbest quest
June 11, 2007 - 16:53 ET by balboaActually, the dumbest question ever was in 1978, when Red Sox fans everywhere said, "What if Bucky Dent hits a homerun?"
"What could possibly go
June 11, 2007 - 16:58 ET by Ken Shepherd"What could possibly go wrong?" --Some dude to his wife as they boarded the Hindenburg, May 1937.
"Why do we even need lif
June 11, 2007 - 17:05 ET by TruthMonger"Why do we even need life boats on an unsinkable ship?"
- Ex-owner of the HMS Titanic
Can fat people go skinny-d
June 11, 2007 - 17:07 ET by MightyMouthCan fat people go skinny-dipping?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Well it looks like ya got a l
June 11, 2007 - 17:18 ET by TruthMongerWell it looks like ya got a little too excited with the hyperbole Ken...
If we were all libs then we could just say "it's no big deal." But Monty showed us all that we are true hypocrites and so...will you please turn in your NB badge and gun asap...?
It's still way to easy to get another firearm in this country so at least that's something to cushion the blow for ya...
Instantly changing his name t
June 11, 2007 - 17:31 ET by EdhenryInstantly changing his name to Bucky #$%#@@# Dent.
Bal's right - the only dumb q
June 11, 2007 - 16:44 ET by TruthMongerBal's right - the only dumb question is the one that does not get asked...
But this one is VERY CLOSE to being dumb...
It's important, just not nece
June 11, 2007 - 16:46 ET by vrwc13It's important, just not necessary, just ask the guy on the cross next to Jesus if he made it without works. Second answer, yep. Yep, because He said so...and He's God.
"So doing good things wh
June 11, 2007 - 16:59 ET by Gothampc"So doing good things while here on earth isn't important? Because as long as you accept Jesus, you're on to Heaven?"
The Book of Revelation speaks about God trying with fire the works of Christians and that after the works are tried with fire they will either stand up as gold or burn up like hay and straw. So yes, works are important because God will test them for pure motives, but works are not necessary to get into Heaven.
my add...check them out - all
June 11, 2007 - 17:01 ET by Challenger Grimmy add...check them out - all other religions are work based, all.
I must politely disagree with you vrwc13. I do not think Hinduism (or it's heresy Buddaism) are work based.
And I'm pretty sure scientology is sanity based. ;)
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They to are about achieving o
June 11, 2007 - 17:13 ET by vrwc13They too are about achieving or doing, Chistianity is about being.
hmmm.... I guess we'll have t
June 11, 2007 - 17:20 ET by Challenger Grimhmmm.... I guess we'll have to define our terms since I would classify some of their ideals as being nirvana etc etc or that one could call some Christian tenants as achieving Christ or salvation...
Of course, Hinduism is such a mixed bag/junk drawer I'd bet that you can find ANY segment of it to fit any definition you want. lol (Did you ever read the Lewis essay that pointed out that of all religions, only Hinduism or Christianity could be "real" and "true"? Then of course he goes on to explain why he chose the latter.)
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He made the right choice.
June 11, 2007 - 17:22 ET by vrwc13He made the right choice.
Did you ever read the Lewis e
June 11, 2007 - 17:25 ET by GothampcDid you ever read the Lewis essay that pointed out that of all religions, only Hinduism or Christianity could be "real" and "true"?
Do you remember the title of the essay? I'd like to read it.
I've got some time left befor
June 11, 2007 - 17:35 ET by Challenger GrimI've got some time left before I leave work here. Let me get home to my Lewis library and I'll give you the essay title as soon as I can (if I don't forget).
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The one I was thinking of is
June 11, 2007 - 19:55 ET by Challenger GrimThe one I was thinking of is his essay "Christian Apologetics" which I got out of the book Christian Reflections. Toward the end of the speech is where he makes the point I was referencing.
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Thank you for taking the time
June 11, 2007 - 21:40 ET by GothampcThank you for taking the time to check. It sounds interesting and I'm going to get a copy and read it.
Again
June 12, 2007 - 09:52 ET by cvgbuckeyeOK, let me jump back in here again (although this thread is now to old for this to be read). Yes, it is true, as far as I know that all other religions are based on works. You are reduced to someone behind a curtain, tracking your sins against your good works. At the end of your life, if you have more lines on the GOOD side than you have on the BAD side, you enter paradise; if you have the converse, you do not enter parardise.
Due to the fall of man and his sinfull nature, NO ONE can lead a life of 100% purity that is acceptable in God's eyes. Therefore we needed something else to bridge the chasm that WE created between humanity and GOD. It was Jesus Christ and our acceptance of him taking our place in what he did on the cross.
It IS REALLY that simple. The gift of salvation is free. We have to do nothing to recieve this gift. We must only confess of our sins and sinful nature; repent (turn away from them) and accept Jesus Christ. He is THE ONLY WAY to eternal life. Then, everything that we have ever done, are doing and will ever do is forgiven. This is the GRACE that we read about.
This GRACE is so good to be true that it lends itself to all kinds of bumper sticker criticism by scoffers and unbelievers AND that is the factor that makes the way to eternal life such a narrow path.
Wow, that really is a ridicul
June 11, 2007 - 16:48 ET by GothampcWow, that really is a ridiculous question.
The answer is "being saved".
Even atheists do good works, but when they come face to face with God, their good works aren't going to answer His question of "Why didn't you believe in Me?"
I'd like to quote from Eph
June 11, 2007 - 17:11 ET by BernardI'd like to quote from Ephesians on this one -
Ephesians 2:8 - "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no one can boast."
It is by faith alone in Jesus Christ alone that you are given by God the grace that saves you. Period. Anyone who says differently is either a horribly and dangerously mislead Christian or not a Christian at all. Anyone can do good works - Atheists, Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, Hindis, etc - but they are still not saved because they lack faith in Christ, and the grace that comes with faith.
The Law (works) condemns us, the Gospel (grace through faith) saves us. The notion that anyone at a news corp (aren't you supposed to be 'educated' to work there?) has to ask a question like that makes me a sad panda.
Dear Sad Panda, wolves goats,
June 11, 2007 - 17:17 ET by vrwc13Dear Sad Panda, wolves goats, and sheep, wolves, goats, and sheep. He wanted all to be sheep, but He knew many would choose be wolves, and goats, wolves, and goats. Makes me a sad panda too.
Actually it is a rather predictable question
June 11, 2007 - 17:21 ET by c5thenThose who have no faith or don't believe or, just don't really understand it all, will think this is a valid question. Of course the answer is that being saved is primary and is the only way to get to stand before the Father (through the Son). However, the scriptures also say that faith alone without (good) works is hollow and stale. The scriptures say, speaking of the faithful, "You will know them by their fruits". So putting all the teachings together in such a way that they do not contradict each other...you must be saved, there is no substitute for that, but the spirit which now resides in those who are saved will do good works, and by those works, others will know that they are saved.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic
Hey, where's tumbler? Sure
June 11, 2007 - 17:23 ET by vrwc13Hey, where's tumbler? Sure he's got something to say here.
Yeah, logic, reason, facts play less of a role now in the way we make decisions in America. – Al Gore
Tumbler is missing a good one
June 11, 2007 - 17:31 ET by TruthMongerTumbler is missing a good one - I'm sure he'll be bummed when he finds out...
At least we're saving a few jigawatts of NB web site electricity...NB is going green today:)!!
TM,Our resident cactus-plucke
June 11, 2007 - 17:41 ET by Dave RTM,
Our resident cactus-plucker managed to get himself banned.
Again.
Build the damn fence, George!
Tumbler RIP
June 11, 2007 - 17:42 ET by TruthMongerAnd he was so close to full amnesty too - damn!
He's here... third sombrero
June 11, 2007 - 17:32 ET by MightyMouthHe's here... third sombrero on the left. :-O
Opps, my mistake here he is...
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Tumbler was "let go.&quo
June 11, 2007 - 17:38 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveTumbler was "let go."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Noooo. Again? Wow, unbeweva
June 11, 2007 - 17:41 ET by MightyMouthNoooo. Again? Wow, unbewevable. hmmm....
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I think it's permanent this t
June 11, 2007 - 17:46 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveI think it's permanent this time. Banished to the Phantom Zone for all eternity.
(The most curious and amazing pop-culture references appear into my head from time to time...I haven't thought about the Phantom Zone in decades.)
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." --Thomas Jefferson
Mean Gene,I don't know about
June 11, 2007 - 17:45 ET by Dave RMean Gene,
I don't know about you, but I just love clicking on his SN and seeing:
Page not found
I mean, its almost better than......
Build the damn fence, George!
Mean Gene,In the new corporat
June 11, 2007 - 19:26 ET by BlondeMean Gene,
In the new corporate parlance, he was "returned to the industry".
Funniest thing I've heard in a while.
I am just back from a few days at a==
June 11, 2007 - 19:35 ET by misterbillI am just back from a few days at a lake with no internet. What a welcome home gift. It's a double header for me. While sitting on the porch and looking at the lake--it struck me---an epiphany--- a new faith-beliefs system. It told me my old faith-beliefs were better than every one else's but not as good as my new faith-beliefs. I also realized how Catholics, Protestants and almost all sects especially the Mormons were doomed to hell. So, I share my new faith-beliefs with all my friends on NB. What a glorious few days. Unless you are born again tou are not born again. Go then and sin no more.
Rev. Misterbill
Mr. Bill....Couldn't have sai
June 11, 2007 - 19:39 ET by Clear thinkerMr. Bill....
Couldn't have said it better myself.
You just gotta have faith!
Prove you can secure our borders first. The only legislation that counts!
Great News!Reading that tumbl
June 11, 2007 - 19:36 ET by Clear thinkerGreat News!
Reading that tumbler has been excused and put in permanent time-out just made my day.
Thanks NB, you guys care about your supporters and we appreciate it.
Prove you can secure our borders first. The only legislation that counts!
CT The basic tenet is............
June 11, 2007 - 19:43 ET by misterbillCT The basic tenet is............
You've got to accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative, latch on to the affirmative and don't mess with Mister in-between.
Don't jump the gun, there, Cl
June 11, 2007 - 19:44 ET by BlondeDon't jump the gun, there, Clear.
Time will tell...but I'm thinking the third time shall be the charm.
How pleasant it will be to have an actual discussion about immigration, and the underlying reasons, realities, etc.....without having to defend ourselves from being called racists, Nazis, prostitutes, and worse.
These are serious times, meant for serious discussions. And I, for one, shall welcome them.
I only hope that the NB staff
June 11, 2007 - 19:52 ET by Clear thinkerI only hope that the NB staff keeps him locked out. An open an honest debate about immigration is one thing, but when you are attacked everytime you bring up the subject just takes away any opportunity to have an adult conversation about the issue.
Tumbler... I know you can read this so please take what I'm about to say under serious consideration. You will never win a debate or change anyone's mind if all you do is call them names. I for one take pride in NOT being racist, and resent you even thinking I am. Good luck with whatever you do from here on out.
Prove you can secure our borders first. The only legislation that counts!
requiem
June 11, 2007 - 19:56 ET by misterbillBravo!Prove you can secure ou
June 11, 2007 - 20:04 ET by Clear thinkerBravo!
Prove you can secure our borders first. The only legislation that counts!
misterbill,The next time I go
June 11, 2007 - 20:04 ET by Blondemisterbill,
The next time I go to Atlanta, I shall stay an extra day.
And take you and your wife to your very favourite expensive restaurant, as my thanks to you for your eternal good cheer, and most excellent limericks here.
Blonde--I thank you--and--
June 11, 2007 - 20:07 ET by misterbillBlonde--I thank you--and- accept your most gracious offer.
We live about 25 miles outside Atlanta, but almost never go in except for all of the Falcons home games and a few of the Braves games. You probably know a lot more about Atlanta than we do!
a nod of the head
June 11, 2007 - 20:10 ET by misterbillmisterbill,I know almost noth
June 11, 2007 - 20:13 ET by Blondemisterbill,
I know almost nothing of Atlanta....except where to find the office(s).
Are you up for a day at the Aquarium, along with dining? I've been absolutely badgering the bosses to quit having meetings in Houston (plus, Atlanta is closer).
I'll keep hammering it...hopefully we can hook up by the end of the summer.
To put it in the vernacular--
June 11, 2007 - 20:15 ET by misterbillTo put it in the vernacular--you betcha. My best bud keeps expresssing surprise that I have not visted the aquarium yet. I keep telling him, I get enough fishy stories from him.