Left-Wing Voices Fuel ABC's MPG Report

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While past ABC reports have mourned the hardship facing the American auto industry, ABC aired liberal support for higher fuel efficiency standards that would make competition more difficult and manufacturing more expensive.

But reporter Dean Reynolds gave almost no time to the auto industry in his June 7 “World News with Charles Gibson” story.

Reynolds cited left-wing Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.) and Phyllis Cuttino of Pew’s Campaign for a Fuel Efficient America.

“We have better cup holders in cars, we have better music systems in cars – that’s all good,” Dorgan said, “But the fact is we need cars that are more efficient.”

Dorgan is extremely liberal. He earned a 95 percent liberal rating (the same as Hillary and Obama) from Americans for Democratic Action.

Current fuel economy standards for light trucks are 24 miles per gallon and for cars are 27 miles per gallon. The Senate will soon begin to debate raising those standards to 35 miles per gallon for both types of vehicles.

But in the past, Dorgan told industry executives higher fuel economy standards are a done deal.

The auto industry's position, which was nearly ignored by ABC, is that all automobiles are not created equal and higher standards will increase manufacturing costs.

According to the May 27 CBS “Evening News” it could cost the already troubled industry $114 billion.


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The elephant in the room...

Why not spend federal R&D money to help the industry get reasonable vehicles that use NO gasoline at all instead? Oh, right, the Evil Bush Administration as already doing that so we can't bring that up at all.

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic

Why not instead...Not spe

Why not instead...

Not spend any tax money on developing new cars for car companies, and instead lower both spending & taxes, trusting capitalism (the unknown ideal...) to innovate better than big government under either Republican or Democrat career politicians?
JMR

Well in general I agree

But given that there are all those programs around anyway, instead of having their goal be a few more mpg, why not have the goal be the elimination of necessity for gasoline completely (as Bush did in 2002 [I think])?

In a perfect world I would agree that no industry needs help to innovate.

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic

IMO we need to start thinki

IMO we need to start thinking of "programs" as needing-100%-defunding, rather than assuming they'll be around for ages wasting money. It wouldn't make the world perfect, but it might make it a lot better for taxpayers. In my experience, big government delays more technology than they produce.
JMR

The vision in the 70's was th

The vision in the 70's was that by now we'd be running electric cars getting juice from the large number of nuclear power plants and not having to burn fossil fuels for anything.

But the "Greens" killed that vision. Now they rail against the future they created where we are still burning fossil fuels as our primary source of energy.

Call me crazy, but I think the "Green Movement", by adapting radical ideologies instead of practical ones, has done more harm to the environment than any of the industries they protest so vehemently against.

It's a sad commentary on the

It's a sad commentary on the state of the Republic that people accept the premise that it's the government's job to decide this kind of stuff.

Minimum safety standards and things like that are fine, but whet they start meddling with free market issues of supply and demand (which is what fuel efficiency standards do), they overstep their bounds which is always bad.

I watched ABC that night and

I watched ABC that night and the whole program was horribly one sided. I mean more than usual. I thought Gibson was going to cry over the immigration bill with this "if this doesn't pass nothing will". Then put all the blame on "conservative radio". If he wonders why "conservative radio" is popular, its because that's where you need to go to get the rest of the story. Certainly not ABC. They should go ahead and change their name to ABCKos.

It is always funny to me, whe

It is always funny to me, when they seem to think they have these really efficient engines on the shelf. Or they suggest the auto makers could make things much more efficient, but big oil forces them to refuse to. If the auto co. could make the cars folks want more energy efficient, they would. But if you have to pay 8-10K more for 45MPG it just doesent pay for itself. Forcing it does what for whom?

All of this federally manda

All of this federally mandated CAFE stuff is nonsense. These are laws being drafted and endorsed by people without even the most cursory understanding of economics or engineering.

I design internal combustion engines for a living. What most people fail to realize, including the feeble-minded members of Congress, is that the internal combustion engine has been getting cleaner and more efficient, year after year. With regards to efficiency, the modern, digitally-controlled diesel internal combustion engine is more effecient than a fuel cell, when considered on well-to-wheel basis. In fact, the internal combustion engine is making faster progress on effeciency than the fuel cell, at a much lower cost.

As for emissions, the exhaust gas coming out of the tail pipe of a modern, catalytic converter equipped, gasoline-engined car is lower in some forms of emissions, such as NOx, than the air going in. Especially in some cities like Houston or L.A.

It's no easy matter to improve the efficiency of an automobile. To make the car more efficient, you need to make it smaller with less aerodynamic drag, and make it lighter. Both of these make the car less safe.

To paraphrase the old joke: Efficiency, reasonable cost, safety..... Pick any two.

riff_raffwhat ever happened w

riff_raff

what ever happened with the ceramic engine or ceramic cylinder lined engine that the army was trying to get going quite some time ago.

it was supposed to run forever (or until the rings wore down to fishing line size).

What the so-called "jour

What the so-called "journalists" failed to mention is that Americans have already voted, in part, with their pocket books.  Honda, the maker of the Accord Hybrid, stated that they are dropping the Hybrid version.  The reason: people aren't buying them!  Even the leader, in terms of sales, Toyota, is taking a bath on every Hybrid sold and they aren't exactly rushing out the door.  Of the 16.5 million cars sold here in the US. their Hybrid take was about 100,000. 

Keep in mind that the MPG ratings on Hybrids are skewed in their favour.  The federal tax incentives have been reduced.  The replacement of the batteries at anywhere from 3-5 years after purchase is thousands of dollars.  And, there is the unknown cost of the disposal fee for getting rid of the hundreds of pounds of toxic, but useless junk batteries. 

jdhawk,You're right, Toyota

jdhawk,

You're right, Toyota loses money on every one of those Priuses they sell. Apparently, they plan to make up those losses in sales volume!

They used to sell a large percentage (25%?) of their Prius production here in southern California (where I regretfully live) due to the fact that you got a carpool lane sticker when you bought one. The sticker give-away is over, and naturally Prius sales here have fallen off dramatically.

Strangely enough, used Priuses sell for almost as much as new Priuses. The reason being that a (3 or 4 year old) used Prius (with a healthy battery pack) is bought by repair shops so that it's battery pack can be taken apart and used to repair other Prius battery packs with bad cells. The rest of the car is then scrapped. Remember, a new battery pack from Toyota costs over $5000. Not exactly an "environmentally freindly" situation.

riff_raff,So, what is the a

riff_raff,

So, what is the answer then? If people such as yourself continue to say "we can't do that because it is too expensive," then what is the answer? I fully realize and appreciate the fact that tailpipe emissions are getting less and less. That is a very good thing. However, the consumer wants better fuel economy. I am willing to overlook trucks. After all, they are designed for a different purpose.

I for one am thoroughly disgusted with the auto industry continuing to say "we can't do it." How is it that my Toyota RAV4 V6 produces 269HP on regular unleaded and gets an average of 22mpg in the city? I don't think any U.S auto can match that. I know it is a lightweight vehicle.

It seems like we have several groups (big oil, auto industry and government) pointing to others and saying "it's not our job, its yours."

Wiggy (with Riff_raff looking

Wiggy (with Riff_raff looking over his shoulder)

we really want diesel to take off on the smog stuff.

there are a variety of reasons.

commerce (the vast majority of trucks and locomotives ) have diesel engines in them.

diesels (theoreticaly) burn all of the fuel pumped into them.

gasoline engines (at least in the old days) have extra gas pumped into the cylinders to cool the valves. (this gas is not burned and subtracts directly from milage).

(a couple of other matters which are not great issues now but were in the past) diesel is much easier to transport and handle safely. (as in flash point, explosive mixture etc. etc. etc. )

one other thing Wig, is that motor vehicles are built on high production lines. these things are built to make 87 octane gasoline 8 cylinder right hand rotating engines only . if you want to make a 5 cylinder left hand rotating diesel then you have to tear down a plant that covers about four acres under roof and build a new one. under a forced draft it can take two or three years. even using the latest in computer controled machine tools etc.

manufacturing companies (for motor vehicles) are reluctant to spend that kind of money until they can research the depth of the market and sell the product, at the rate of ~500,000 per year for at least 10 years.

toyota is going to take a real bath on the prius because someone came up with a competing diesel design that looks like it will kill the motor generator-storage battery right in the middle of the toyota production run.     

C

Thanks PK :)I have heard th

Thanks PK :)

I have heard that the vehicles in europe are diesel. I have often wondered why the U.S does not have a larger percentage of diesel vehicles.

When the wife and I were in the market to replace her '99 EB Explorer, I did a lot of research into vehicles. Not only economy, but horsepower, size, safety ratings and insurance cost. Since the vehicle was going to be hers, she ultimately had the final decision. My intent was to steer her to something nice that would meet her needs and still have decent fuel economy, but also good safety ratings and decent horsepower. I WAS NOT and AM NOT sold on Hybrids. More power to the people that want them. They are not for us though.

I love her RAV4. That little thing will flat out haul A$$ if you step on it. It is also very comfortable. It does not have nearly as many bells and whistles as the EB Explorer did. We were also limited on size since I wanted to make sure whatever we got fit in the garage.

Thanks again!

"Silly Wabbit!"

Silly Wabbit!

Don't you know by now what's important in life is not what you do or what you accomplish but how you feel and how you care.

Put simply - "Silly Wabbit!". Credit to wabbit hunter extraordinaire Elmer Fudd. I'll let you in on a major DNC secret -- Elmer is actually Howard Dean. Notice the resemblance? Have you ever seen the two of them together? Nope! Proof positive. You won't believe how Daffy Duck fits into all this. Stay tuned for more DNC revelations.

How can the MRC, which runs t

How can the MRC, which runs this site and is heavily funded by Exxon, not simply recuse themselves from this kind of discussion? How can anyone think they are being objective about this issue?

Has any leftist group -- sa

Has any leftist group -- say NPR -- recused itself from any discussion, ever, due to being funded by big government?? Isn't what you're saying "shut up"? When people say that here, it's generally because can sense that they're losing the argument...Anyway, if there's any pro-Exxon bias, can't you point it out specifically -- like I continually-do with antilibertarian bias -- instead of just making accusations??
JMR

Wait... NPR is funded by the

Wait... NPR is funded by the government, and yet critiques the government (as any responsible news outlet should) better than anyone else, which is why you call them leftist (which they're not). Seems they are being more objective despite their funding... don't think you're argument applies here.

I'm not saying 'shut up'. I'm simply questioning the motives of this Bias Exposing Website...

then I'll say it

Clicker, then I shall say it... shut up! If you cannot see the leftist bias in the NPR broadcasts, then you are kidding yourself. The bias is daily, and is perpetrated with zeal. I used to be an ardent NPR supporter, then the slow and steady socialist drumbeat finally caught up with me and I began to seek other sources for objective reporting on the radio. You should move your dial around, and take off those rose-colored glasses.

A wise(?) man once wrote:

A wise(?) man once wrote:

"Isn't what you're saying "shut up"? When people say that here, it's generally because can sense that they're losing the argument..."

Wish I could remember who wrote that!

sidestepping?

clicker, address the bias issue. NPR is biased and you know it. The interesting part of this is that you do know it, but denying it takes away the ugly argument that you do not want to address, which is what the bias is being used for. And here's the crux... it is a tool for the advancement of the socialist agenda. Can you address the agenda? Why do you wish to advance socialism upon your country, founded on democracy?

Clicker...If you think NPR is

Clicker...

If you think NPR isn't biased...I bet you feel the same about PBS too.

Wait...don't answer that...I bet I know the answer hands down....

LOL....