Time's Joe Klein: Beware 'Bile' of Left Bloggers -- All Bush/Limbaugh's Fault, Naturally

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In an interesting slam against the Left-Wing Blogosphere, one time Clinton man, now Time Magazine writer, Joe Klein, hits 'em hard. Left-Wing Bloggers are vile. Left-Wing Bloggers are mean. Left-Wing Bloggers are disloyal. Left-Wing Bloggers jump to wild, unsupported conclusions... So says Klein in a June 6th piece titled >"Beware the Bloggers' Bile." But, don't get your hopes up because, while everything he says about the nut-roots is dead on, it all ends up being Bush's and Radio icon Rush Limbaugh's fault, instead of the left's fault -- it's not as if the left could ever imagine anything is ever their fault, I suppose.

Still, for most of the piece, Klein slams his nut-roots followers in just about every which way you can imagine but calling them ugly and having bad B.O. and it's fun to read.

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At issue was Klein's blog report that Dem. Congresswoman Jane Harman of California had told him on the record that she couldn't vote against the last military budget because she couldn't vote to deprive the troops of the needed funds.

"Look, I would love to have cast a vote against Bush on this," she told me. "We need a new strategy, and I hope we can force one in September. But I flew into Baghdad [with 150 young soldiers recently]. To vote against this bill was to vote against giving them the equipment... they need. I couldn't do that." I posted what Harman said on Swampland, the political blog at Time.com, along with my opinion that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama had changed their positions and voted against the funding for the worst possible reason: presidential politics.

No sooner had Klein posted this on his blog then Harman changed her mind and ended up voting against the bill anyway. As it turns out, Harman really did change her mind. Her original quote to Klein was fully admitted to and Harman apologized to Klein for the fact that she flipped on the issue, a flip-flop that perhaps made his quoting her look misinformed on his part.

But, as Klein reports, that didn't stop the nut-roots from turning on him as if he was part of the great Right-Wing conspiracy.

I was blasted by a number of left-wing bloggers: Klein screwed up! I had quoted Harman in the past tense--common usage for politicians who know their words will appear after a vote takes place. That was sloppy and... suspicious! Proof that you just can't trust the mainstream media. On Eschaton, a blog that specializes in media bashing, I was given the coveted "Wanker of the Day" award.

Even after Klein told the nut-roots that his quote was perfectly legitimate, they pummeled him.

Eventually, Harman got wind of this and called, unbidden, to apologize for misleading me, saying I had quoted her correctly but she had changed her mind to reflect the sentiments of her constituents. I published her statement and still got hammered by bloggers and Swampland commenters for "stalking" Harman into an apology, for not checking her vote in the Congressional Record, for being a "water boy for the right wing" and many other riffs unfit to print.

Ain't it horrible when the monster made turns around to maul its creator? And Klein admits it has happened before to himself as well as other lefty "news" commentators. "This is not the first time this kind of free-range lunacy has been visited upon me", he laments.

I'm SHOCKED that the nut-roots would so horribly attack their pal, Klein.

Well, OK... maybe I'm not so much.

Klein pleads with his readers to have pity on him because, after all, he really is tough on Bush and stuff. And, after all, isn't that the real goal, anyway? Klein seems to be asking the Left-Wing Bloggers why they can't all destroy Bush and the Republicans together without all that turning on each other business?

The last two paragraphs are pretty good in two ways. 1) in it's lament on how bad the Lefty Blogs can be and 2) in the typical inability of the left to take responsibility for their own actions.

But the smart stuff is being drowned out by a fierce, bullying, often witless tone of intolerance that has overtaken the left-wing sector of the blogosphere. Anyone who doesn't move in lockstep with the most extreme voices is savaged and ridiculed—especially people like me who often agree with the liberal position but sometimes disagree and are therefore considered traitorously unreliable. Some of this is understandable: the left-liberals in the blogosphere are merely aping the odious, disdainful—and politically successful—tone that right-wing radio talk-show hosts like Rush Limbaugh pioneered. They are also justifiably furious at a Bush White House that has specialized in big lies and smear tactics.

And that is precisely the danger here. Fury begets fury. Poison from the right-wing talk shows seeped into the Republican Party's bloodstream and sent that party off the deep end. Limbaugh's show—where Dick Cheney frequently expatiates—has become the voice of the Republican establishment. The same could happen to the Democrats. The spitballs aimed at me don't matter much. The spitballs aimed at Harman, Clinton and Obama are another story....

Yes, the Lefty Nut-roots are uncivil, cretins... but it's really Rush Limbaugh's and Bush's fault!

A typical conclusion unmoored from any morally compelling reasoning.

So, THEY are mean and wild-eyed because they perceive their enemies to be mean and wild-eyed. Remember what your parents used to say when you were caught among your schoolyard pals doing something wrong? You would say that little Johnny did it too and they used to reply, "If they all jumped off a bridge, would YOU do that too?"

(Moral of that quip for any morally confused lefties reading this: Just because others do it, does not mean it is right for YOU to do it too!)

Additionally, this is a perfect example of a complete lack of historical perspective on the part of another ill informed Media type. This new arena of the Blogoshpere as a place for vicious attack is only new in its location. In the past the Newspapers served this purpose. As did political tract printing and the plain old town Pub where people got together to yell, scream, carp and complain about government. The Blogosphere is NOT different than any other era in its intense partisanship. It's just a new place to do it in.

But, Klein ends his piece with some good points in the last half of the paragraph I excerpted above. Those points have to be disentangled from his raw, partisanship, of course, but they are points worthy of consideration.

...Despite their votes, each of those politicians believes the war must be funded. (Obama even said so in his statement explaining his vote.) ... But they allowed themselves to be bullied into a more simplistic, more extreme position. Why? Partly because they fear the power of the bloggers to set the debate and raise money against them. They may be right--in the short (primary election) term; Harman faced a challenge from the left in 2006. In the long term, however, kowtowing to extremists is exactly the opposite of what this country is looking for after the lethal radicalism of the Bush Administration.

Now, I won't speak to Klein's claim that the weak on defense Obama and Clinton really do want to fund the troops (as I seriously doubt he is right on his assumption), but the question of just how much weight our Congressmen should give the vocal Blogosphere remains a valid point to ponder. Not just for the Europeanesque type of far Left, anti-Constitution politicians Klein wants to sponsor, but for elected officials of all stripes.

We have yet to realize what final role the Blogosphere will play in our political process. So far, we have seen wild swings from both sides to mollify the Internet, but neither side of the aisle has been able to determine what real, solid meaning there is in the wrath of the Blogosphere. In that, we really are seeing something new.

In any case, it was quite hilarious to see Klein whining about his pals in the nutroots about how vicious they are -- as all the while he was viciously attacking Bush's "lethal radicalism" -- and so darn typical to see him blame it on everyone but his own side. Would it be too much to ask for just a tiny bit of introspection from our pal Joey?

Sadly, it seems to be too much to ask of him or his nut-roots compatriots.

(Hattip to Dervish)


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Hitler hated the Jews because

Hitler hated the Jews because the Jewish people hated him first.

Pol Pot killed all those people because they were full of hate, too.

Finally, OBL was justified in driving the airplanes into the towers because, heck, the U.S. liberated Kuwait and didn't make the final push towards Baghdad.

Joe Klein is a perfect ass. And wow! does this ever show how beholden the Dims are to the loonies.

This,I agree, it is as thou

This,
I agree, it is as though the lunatics are running the asylum. (lots of lunatics and a really big asylum). This isn’t your Dads Democratic party any more. Of course this isn’t the Republican party I once loved either…

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day

We, have become them in the

We, have become them in the 1950’s (except we believe in that whole blacks are equal thing…) and they, have become the communists party.

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day

I wonder what "poison&

I wonder what "poison" from which talk show host causes all the (bipartisan) pork spending these days?
JMR

Since Air America went off th

Since Air America went off the air, I don't know of any talk show hosts spewing poisen these days.

I find it so funny, have yo

I find it so funny, have you ever listened to left wing talk? It’s absolutely vicious. Its no wonder no one listens. Its just too hard on you. Its like if you had someone at work that did nothing but bitch at every thing you would be ducking them in the break room after while. Same is true on radio. Rush (if you ever listen, lefties) is up lifting. The best of Rush is when he starts to talk about American Exceptionalism, how basically for America the impossible just takes a little longer. When I lived near NY I would listen to Air America and the vile and hatred was unbelievable.  

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day

You so hit the nail on the he

You so hit the nail on the head.  Leftist politicians, posters, and others just whine, bitch and moan about everything conceivable.  I have no desire to hear that all the time...I have my own troubles to tend to, and my own ways to enjoy this life without putting up with an army of whiners.  ESPECIALLY when said whiners want every person in America to be as miserable as they are.  For, as a tagline of mine once said: "The vice of capitalism is that there is an unequal share of the blessings, whereas the virtue of socialism is that there is an equal share of the misery."  (from the great Winston Churchill)

THIRTEEN DOWN, THREE TO GO...(until the SPURS' FOURTH RING!!!)

I remember your tag line an

I remember your tag line and it’s exactly true!

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day

I did try to listen to Air Am

I did try to listen to Air America a couple of times, and had the same experience -- I had to turn it off because of the non-stop hate. And it was pure hate, too. The first time I figured it must be a mistake, which is why I tried to listen a couple more times. Hate and very, very bad language.

And that's what I see on the left-wing blogs. There is no room for a discussion, and there is no humor at all. If NB ever turned that way, I'd drop it in a second and never look back. I don't see that happening here, though.

And you're right about Rush. I especially like his web site, because he sources all of his material -- you can go directly to the looney news articles or web sites to see where he picked up his information -- and, of course, read the transcripts of the discussions. He makes no attempt to hide anything, and his opinions are thought out and clearly presented -- with no hate, and no bad language. Therefore, one can actually agree or disagree, and yet be truely entertained throughout.

I will be riding in my pick

I will be riding in my pick up (yes I’m one of dem southern pickup driving gun toting men.) Laura Ingram some times reads an ob of one of our fallen hero’s and I have to wipe the tears from my eyes. It is just a little difference when someone on the left states that they deserved it because we “invaded” their little part of heaven. Or someone like that A hole in Colorado that states that people that died in the WTC (a dear friend of mine) were little Eichmen.
It will rot your insides to listen to that tripe.

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day

USA, Unsane & This/That--

USA, Unsane & This/That--I'm sure the three of you are intelligent enough to know the reason lefties are so full of hate.  It stems from their self-hate.  They hate themselves and mankind.

In their eyes, mankind is the reason for all the misery in the world and therefore if there were fewer people, there would be less misery. It's easy for them to accept abortion, euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research because for them, it's a matter of eliminating part of the 'problem'.  They also have far fewer children than those who have faith in God.

I have a theory of why this self hate exists among such a large segment of the leftist crowd.  I think it's because they, for the most part, have no faith in God.  I believe God has hard-wired us so that the further we wander from Him, the more miserable we become.  The natural result of that is that when we're miserable about our own circumstances, we're going to make those around us miserable too.

Godless

And they are generally Godless; AND it shows.

Of course, religion offers a

Of course, religion offers a moral compass and they will not have any of that. Liberalism IS their religion.

I think it's also because of

I think it's also because of confusion. They honestly believe that Rush et al are nothing but hate and so to be as "successful" as he is, they also must be hateful. Of course, they either never have listened to Rush and just believe all the word of mouth that says he's "hateful" or when they do listen, they take any disagreement as being "hateful".

That's their problem. They run these programs like their lives and policies: based upon assumptions no matter how false and very few facts.

Be sure to get your daily Fred Thompson Fact!

"I'm SHOCKED that the nut-roo

"I'm SHOCKED that the nut-roots would so horribly attack their pal, Klein.

Well, OK... maybe I'm not so much."

Actually Warner, the quote you're trying to think of is:
"I am shocked, SHOCKED!
...
Well not that shocked." -Fry from Futurama

Another popular one:
"Oh there's a big surprise! I think I'm going to have a heartattack and die, from NOT surprised!" -Iago from Aladin.

Be sure to get your daily Fred Thompson Fact!

...Yeah. That was the kind of

...Yeah. That was the kind of humor i was going for there!
The Futurama one is not surprising. Love that show.

Sorry, I have way TOO many qu

Sorry, I have way TOO many quotes stored up in my head.

But many I love Futurama too. I wish they would all stop toying with our emotions and either bring it back, or make a movie or just TELL us what's what. lol

Be sure to get your daily Fred Thompson Fact!

Bush White House that has spe

Bush White House that has specialized in big lies and smear tactics.

Of course he give no examples, this kind of (journalism) is where the nuts get their fuel. He provides it and complains about it in the same article. What a fool!!

Yes.  Why is it that example

Yes.  Why is it that examples seem to never be given when sweeping statements like that are made? 

Klein is pleading with the lefties

Thanks for posting this Warner, I read it the other day and it really pissed me off.

Notice the last paragraph, a couple of key quotes;

"Here lies the danger".

See Klien believes that Conservative Politicians are fully swayed by the "hate and vitriol" of the "rabid-right-wing" while he continues to put forth the liberal media cannard the the left is completely sincere and just wants to help and do great thing.

As my wife and her family have proven to me, to liberals intent and motivation are key. Lefty's are purely motivated and intend to do good, so anything they do bad can be forgiven and should be forgotten and not made a big deal about.

He is "afraid" that "his side" will BECOME the way he views the right. He is not saying it is a fact that they ARE that way, but what he is seeing could become HABIT. He views it the same way you would view a young child doing something wrong and just needing correction. Just bad habits picked up from bad associations. Like when you tell your kids not to hang around with the kids down the street because they'll just get you into trouble.

Realize he says "The same COULD happen to the democrats" Again he is willing to turn a blind eye to the hate and partisan politics Democrats play because the agree with him.

Finally, Klien is again "Worried" for his heroes Obama, Harman and Hillary who might be "Misunderstood" by voters and not win in 08 because of the nasty influences of the mean vicous right-wingers.

He is bascially saying Hillary, yes HILLARY is pure politically and doesn't engage in vitroil, hate and partisan poitics. Can you believe it?

This is clearly partisan politics at it's worst and Klein is trying to keep Obama and Hillary's nose clean.

and who started the hate spea

and who started the hate speech.??.I used to sell door to door (during hard reaganomic times) and always knew when
some poor rural victim started suddenly repuking what I just heard Rush say on the radio..and wondered what would happen to the country?
well...we all found out...one sides hates each other instead of seeing good in both sides...in the good ole days when we had a democracy and hot air radio didnt brainwash half the country to motivate them to make the worst mistakes in their lives!

as usual the neocon news network has done an excellent job of spinning the truth about themselves and saying only left wing does this tactic
of "witless intolerance, bullying and only accepting one view!"

"

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

...bet you didn't sell anythi

...bet you didn't sell anything either to those poor rural people who were smart enough to listen to wise people who felt the same way they did and they finally had a voice speaking for them...

...something you ought to try you hopeless victimless wonder.

Isnt it great when some voice

Isnt it great when some voice can mindlessly say your opinions for your because it was too hard too think for yourself? mmm.didnt this happen many other times in history??

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

Answer your own question lyin

Answer your own question lyin'

You do it every time you post here...

Troll.

Isnt it great when some voice

Isnt it great when some voice can mindlessly say your opinions for you
Monty you shouldn't expose your sources so openly, now what about the 'Fairness Doctrine'?

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.   

For that reason, I suspect is

For that reason, I suspect is it much easier to be a Leftist parasite.  No thinking for yourself required, or even allowed.

Indeed, all the Leftist has to do, as your posts indicate, is sit around, bitching and moaning about...everything!

 THIRTEEN DOWN, THREE TO GO...(until the SPURS' FOURTH RING!!!)

Monty, I must have missed it

Monty,
I must have missed it are you for or against the 'Fairness Doctrine'?

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.   

You keep asking me about the

You keep asking me about the fairness doctrine..what aspect do you want me to question?? The fact that hot air radio took over soon after, then along came Fox with more major brainwashing? I guess it depends on your perspective of fair ...Like fair and balanced?? this site never fails to amuse]
lata

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

Pure Avoidance

Pure Avoidance

Trolls like lyin' and tumb ne

Trolls like lyin' and tumb never answer a direct question they are personally really for implying on us out here in the real world, after-all they have an agenda....they are paid for their agenda....

Soros anyone?

Who started the Hate speech?W

Who started the Hate speech?

Why it was the emotional liberals, not the logical conservatives -- that is who.

Do you remember how the media savaged Nixon pre Watergate?

Do  you remember how the left insinuated that Reagan was incompetant?

Do you remember Ford being cast as a bumbler?

DO you recall GHW Bush being cast as a thoughtless boob?

Yep.

I stopped wasting my time rea

I stopped wasting my time reading Klein's article at the sentence he claimed that Rush Limbaugh pioneered the anger expressed by unhinged bloggers. Rush Limbaugh is just about the most polite and courteous person on radio, TV or any other media outlet going. I find him too polite sometimes, give me a break.

He's more pleasant now, but w

He's more pleasant now, but when he started, he was anything but nice because he had to attract attention to build ratings.

Rush is polite and courteous?

Rush is polite and courteous?...yeah and was never additcted to drugs or delusional?

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

Have you bothered listening t

Have you bothered listening to his show, or do you get told what to think about him by the media, MT Lyons/rhayes/schmidt?

THIRTEEN DOWN, THREE TO GO...(until the SPURS' FOURTH RING!!!)

I used to listen to the show

I used to listen to the show when he first came on and how scary it would be if this country started believing his bs!

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

I for one learned a great dea

I for one learned a great deal about cigars via his show, much to the extreme consternation and horror of many Leftist friends of mine.

What BS, incidentally?  That America is great because of its people, not a Nannying government? 

Incidentally, I have seen you cry and whine a great deal on here about how conservatives don't thing for themselves and how the evil Fox News (oh your intense FEAR of the mere presentation of a different point of view!!!) is "brainwashing" America...how do you explain your blind devotion and 100% allegiance to the Leftist populist Al Gore?

THIRTEEN DOWN, THREE TO GO...(until the SPURS' FOURTH RING!!!)

Its nice to have someone care

Its nice to have someone care about the environment. Your faux news machine is working overtime to discredit anybody in the democratic machine...if its not gore or hillary , it will be obama...

unsane, you of all folks only use about half of your lines from rush or oreilly...maybe you actually think for yourself and have chosen to go along with the hidden agenda of the neoconservative party.

A free press is one of the first things to go in a totalitarian government. Montana Lyons

And who is this "Someone

And who is this "Someone" who will care for the environment?  THe communists did so well at it, lets let them have another whack inthe guise of being greenies, right?