Khyris,

Good on you to take on Tumbler. Many just ignore him because he's incapable of understanding the antipathy and betrayal many of us feel about the shamnesty bill. He doesn't understand how we're all tied by culture, language, and heritage which is slowly being eroded by the selfish, criminal opportunism of illegal immigrants.

Tumbler hasn't been honest with either himself or any of us in a long time just as politicians aren't. When we as a country can only come up with a new guise in the form of this bill to handle the illegal/criminal alien flow of immigration, then there is something inherently wrong with the system. When illegals think they're entitled to citizenship rights they never earned while criminally traipsing across the border, you know we as a country have passively taken a seat and looked the other way. It's not so bad. Not really.

When the jobs dry up, when the cities become so congested that it takes an hour just to commute to them (look at places like LA/CA where many people are leaving because illegal aliens have diminished their quality of life), when suburban areas can't hold the excess flow of people, when resources get depleted (water, energy, etc.), when public entitlement programs (public education, medicare/medicaid, and social security) become overrun that it becomes impossible for native born Americans to access those resources, perhaps Americans will pay attention. More and more, we find ourselves having to pay with bonds and tax dollars to build more schools and hospitals that we never needed to build if we had gotten serious about immigration and stabilized our population growth. We were never meant to have this large a population and most of the Western, industrialized world has stabilized their populations. The kind of population that's occured from 1970-2007 is the kind you see in THIRD WORLD countries, not Western, industrialized nations. In 50 years, this will be on the horizon. If illegal/foreign immigration remains unchecked we will no longer be a country of 300 million people, we'll be a country of 500 some odd million people.

No, Tumbler savors old hurts to such a degree that his view has become not only entrenched it's become colored by his own personal drama. It's time for all Americans, regardless of political affiliation, color, race, gender, etc., to get real about immigration. No cosmetic bill will make the situation more palatable. No surface solution will solve the deeper problem that Big Business would rather employ cheap labor to pick their fruit and work in their sweatshops. No, Geraldo Rivera, it's not just the poor immigrant breaking the law we go after it's the employers too.

Until America wakes the hell up and realizes that our whole way of life is being taken away by Mexico's willful disregard for our laws and their own inability of enacting strong population control measures and exporting poor people they're not interested in helping, we'll all suffer in small and big ways. The next time you enroll your kid in a public school only to be told there's no room for them because the illegal alien kids have preferential treatment, wait for hours behind illegal aliens for emergency treatment in an ER, and see your water resources being rationed further because more and more illegals have moved in. Some of this has happened NOW. It's not our responsibility to take care of the THIRD WORLD when they won't lift a finger and do it themselves.

No, it's time to massively deport these people where they belong...Mexico. We can do it through what's called attrition through law enforcement. The more we clamp down on illegal immigration the more illegals will get a clue and voluntarily deport themselves. It's time for Mexico to deal with their own problems and stop exporting them to us. It's also time to close the borders...ALL OF THEM. They were supposed to be closed in perpetuity during the last century but that promise was never kept.

For more information, please go to the Numbers USA website where they've done not only population statistical analysis (both real and future time) but research into how illegal immigration affects all of us. Sorry this is so long.

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

Oh, sure. Pardon me; when a Doofus here says, "Send the Nat'l Guard, give them BULLETS if they come crossing,"

That's just joshing --? ? ? And you call ME dense ? The place is crawling with so-called Americans who feel they have the right to shoot on sight every peon who dares "invade" their turf. I call it racism. Not by accident, either. Whether or not YOU are a racist is undecided. But keep in mind; my efforts here have always been to give good counsel. Lose the hatred. Lose the fury and demonizing and defamation. Do what's possible to enforce our laws without inciting good Americans to racial injustice; HATRED.

I say "so-called Americans" because I was taught from childhood this is the land of the Free; a haven in which hard work would always be rewarded. The greatest nation ever to exist on earth. And NOW I'm confronted by "Americans" who act like LORDS, not friends of the poor. LORDS, not understanding and generous to others. --Is it American to say, "Let's shoot 'em, blow 'em away, kill unarmed men and women ?" That's done in North Korea. That's the world of communism and totalitarianism. NOT America, Stoge. I said racist, I meant it, My Friend.

dahlia...

I love your suggestions...a monthly report would suit me just fine too!