On tonight's Hardball Chris Matthews invited on actor Ben Affleck to pontificate on the 2008 presidential race and while the liberal actor stuck to safe, conventional wisdom observations on the likes of Rudy, Hillary and Barack he couldn't resist a pointed jab at the current administration. When Matthews recited an emailer’s question about impeaching President Bush, Affleck reasoned it wasn’t necessary since Bush and Cheney are "going to go down in history as having presided over one of the worst administrations in American history."
The following is the full exchange as it occurred on the June 7th edition of MSNBC’s Hardball:
Chris Matthews: "Scott Trent of North Carolina: 'Mr. Affleck, what is your opinion on the possibility of impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Cheney? Do you support impeachment for the crimes of the administration?' That's Trent, Scott Trent of North Carolina."
Ben Affleck: "While I understand that, that feeling of being angry and feeling kind of frustrated and, and I really do, you know that seems kind of unlikely and probably counterproductive. And, you know, so, so I get that but it doesn't seem like it's something that's probably gonna happen. And probably a place we have our, our energies would be better spent. There's no, President Bush and Vice President Cheney and they're wildly unpopular and they're going to go down in history as having presided over one of the worst administrations in American history. Failed impeachment is not going to really change that, other than to kind of make the, the Congress seem kind of petty and vindictive and spiteful and I don't think that's gonna help anyone at this point."
—Geoffrey Dickens is the senior news analyst at the Media Research Center.
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The lefties are amazing...
June 7, 2007 - 18:21 ET by c5thenThey so want to impeach someone in retribution for Clinton, yet they have no idea that you can't impeach someone because you don't like them. No one that I have ever heard bring this issue up has ever stated what specific crimes that either G.W. Bush or R. Cheney are supposed to be guilty of.
I would be surprised if Mr. Aflack even knows that it is covered in the Constitution and requires actual facts and not feelings. I would further be surprised if he could name even one other administration in history that he conciders in the running for "one of the worst" and why.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic
ok
June 7, 2007 - 18:27 ET by Rackieok
Revenge
June 8, 2007 - 09:52 ET by cvgbuckeye90% of this bunch of Hollywood Granola's (what ain't friuts and nuts is flakes) angst concerning My President is out of revenge for how they perceived that their hero (Sicko Clinton) was mistreated. You see, they percieve that he was like them, one of them.
I agree. For example, his escapades of "phone sex" with Monica Lowinski. Does everyone know what that is? The President of the United States, sitting in OUR OVAL OFFICE, in OUR WHITE HOUSE, listening to a young lady talking dirty to him over the phone while he was masterbating. THATS JUST A LITTLE EXAMPLE of this sicko and all these people see him as their hero. Many minorities call him "the first black president"
I have always known what was wrong with people like him but I will be eternally puzzled over what the hell is wrong with people who admired and admire him.
SO lets put his partner in the White House in 2008. That'll make all Americans proud again, won't it. When you look up "white trash" in the dictionary, you will find a picture of the Clintons, right there; with a side note referring you to also look up the Hollywood trash, MSM and the rest of the Clinton admirers.
If that all seems to mean-spirited, thats just tough!
bordering on racism, Buckeye
June 8, 2007 - 09:55 ET by Cool ArrowAfter all, Bill Clinton was the first Black President.
ignorance knows no bounds
June 7, 2007 - 18:26 ET by LionKingBen, answer these questions:
I remember when Reagan used t
June 7, 2007 - 19:12 ET by TruthMongerI remember when Reagan used to be the "worst President ever" - and then it was so great to see the tributes at his funeral...and the MSM had to cover it all...heh-heh-heh...
It will be the same for GWB...
But LionKing He is from Holly
June 7, 2007 - 22:39 ET by Airforce_5_OBut LionKing He is from Hollywood. They know everything.
Besides Sean Penn told him
June 7, 2007 - 22:40 ET byBesides Sean Penn told him
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Remind me..
June 8, 2007 - 10:07 ET by goldenthroatRemind me that I have seen my last Ben Afffffllllaaaaaaaaaaack movie.
Never dance on an empty stomach unless it's a liberal.
Help control the game show host population by having Bob Barker spayed or neutered.
Well if Ben "AFLAQ" says so,
June 7, 2007 - 18:32 ET by mikejWell if Ben "AFLAQ" says so, then that's all I need to know about it!
Hey Ben, just how bad is this administration? Would you rate it as bad as one of your films like "Gigli" or one of your latest masterpieces at the box office?
Ben, how much do you get paid when a movie bombs at the box office?
Man, all that needs to happen is to ask one of these idiots to please expound on what grounds should Bush and Cheney be impeached and then watch the blubbering and blathering begin.
That extremely brilliant comm
June 7, 2007 - 18:50 ET by Trix RabbitThat extremely brilliant commentary came from that same doofus who starred in Gigli.
Now get back to the type of work you are really good at, Benny. Those urinal cakes in the Burger King's mens' room aren't going to get changed by themselves.
Liberal: a power worshipper without power. George Orwell
Well. If Ben Affleck says so,
June 7, 2007 - 18:55 ET by Chris NormanWell. If Ben Affleck says so, then...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
That was my thought exactly
June 7, 2007 - 19:59 ET by motherbeltThat was my thought exactly: That does it for me, then! LOL
President Bush probably mopes around the White House like LBJ , moaning "If I've lost Ben Affleck, I've lost America...."
Yep. I look to Ben Affleck as
June 7, 2007 - 20:08 ET by Chris NormanYep. I look to Ben Affleck as my guide to life. I mean he's so handsome, he just has to be right! :)
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
I saw Matthews and Affleck...
June 7, 2007 - 18:55 ET by bigtimerI saw Matthews and Affleck...I listened two seconds...I read this all...now I know I made the right decision.
BTW...Poor Chrissy, he never gives up with the Impeachment issue with Cheny and Pres. Bush...it do get old.
Even Ben had to attempt wise him up some....which is funny coming from a leftist like Affleck.
At what point did we stop lis
June 7, 2007 - 19:01 ET by Gat New YorkAt what point did we stop listening to experts in the areas of politics, international relations, domestic affairs - and become more fixated on what hollywood morons think?
Aflac isn't even a good actor. He's lucky he hooked up with Damon and Jennifer Lopez.
I believe it was about the ti
June 7, 2007 - 20:11 ET by Chris NormanI believe it was about the time that Entertainment Tonite and People Magazine began covering politics.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
It's amazing how relaxed and
June 7, 2007 - 21:47 ET by mulerider24It's amazing how relaxed and conversational Chrissy looked in that interview. It's almost as if he and Affleck were back home playing the home version of "Real Time with Bill Maher." Would someone mind putting a split-screen up between this interview and the next one he does with a conservative guest to see how his demeanor compares?
For a man who put that stea
June 7, 2007 - 19:07 ET by FlashmanFor a man who put that steaming pile of ordure called Gigli before the American public to call anything the worst in history takes a hell of a lot of nerve.
steaming pile of ordure ??
June 7, 2007 - 20:02 ET by motherbeltsteaming pile of ordure ????? LMAO!! I love it!!
I think it should be steaming
June 7, 2007 - 21:32 ET by Del DolemonteI think it should be steaming HEAP
Who cares what Ben Affleck sa
June 7, 2007 - 19:24 ET by rimskyWho cares what Ben Affleck says, thinks, believes, eats, drinks... blah, blah, blah..
I've never ever seen one of B
June 7, 2007 - 21:26 ET by Del DolemonteI've never ever seen any of Ben's movies, but I will grudgingly give him about 5 seconds of applause for his good taste in baseball teams, as he's a major Boston Red Sox fan.
Sad to say, the major BoSox owners are as far left as Ben is (remember how they had Jean-Claude Kerry come out to throw a first pitch in 2004 just as the Dem convention was getting underway?).
But it must kill Affleck to know that one of the Sox' best pitchers, Mr. Schilling (who had a perfect game today going into the 9th inning at Oakland, but ended up with a 1-0 shutout) is a Dubyah man...
We've got someone who makes a
June 7, 2007 - 19:38 ET by danboWe've got someone who makes a living pretending he's something he isn't.
so now he pretends he knows what he's talking about.
Sorry. Though I have my own issues with W. The worst were Carter, Bubba and maybe Andrew Johnson.
Is there a truth in labeling law? Is Hardball a violation of truth in labeling? Shoud it be Nerfball?
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
This just in:BUSH ADMINISTR
June 7, 2007 - 20:07 ET by Jack BauerThis just in:
Hey now, leave my man Segal o
June 8, 2007 - 06:42 ET by ThisnThatHey now, leave my man Segal out of this. The bad guys always get their just deserts at the end in his movies. Of course, I always have to watch them alone, 'cause everyone else leaves the room....
Who does this arrogant bastar
June 7, 2007 - 20:14 ET by Clear thinkerWho does this arrogant bastard think he is?
When I want his opinion, I'll give it to him!
Prove you can secure our borders first. The only legislation that counts!
Dick Cheney should take this
June 7, 2007 - 20:15 ET by Clear thinkerDick Cheney should take this guy hunting, if you get my drift.
Prove you can secure our borders first. The only legislation that counts!
With a name like AFLAC!, it s
June 7, 2007 - 20:23 ET by Mica the MagnificentWith a name like AFLAC!, it should be duck hunting, if you get my drift.
Maroon him on a life raft wit
June 7, 2007 - 21:30 ET by Del DolemonteMaroon him on a life raft with Gilbert Gottfried. There was actually a 2 part Al Bundy episode with that very premise, it was hilarious.
Get the net, get the big net.
June 7, 2007 - 20:22 ET by mytwocentsGet the net, get the big net. This guy, like so many others in LA LA land are certifiable.
What a jackass -- Affleck,
June 7, 2007 - 20:23 ET by Richard RomanoWhat a jackass -- Affleck, you know where you can go (yes, down there, nice and hot).
worst
June 7, 2007 - 20:28 ET by LilyPearlAnd Ben Affleck has one of the worst movies in history, "Gigli".
I don't know that I would lab
June 7, 2007 - 20:29 ET by WiggyI don't know that I would label it the worst. With all the crap this administration has rammed down our throats and is trying to ram down our throats, it is pretty bad.
Allow me, folks. Wigster:
June 7, 2007 - 20:33 ET by Mica the MagnificentAllow me, folks.
Wigster: What "Crap" has the Bush administration rammed down your throat? Please explain.
Wiggy... Ok, we can update t
June 7, 2007 - 20:35 ET by Clear thinkerWiggy...
Ok, we can update the line a bit...Ben Affleck is the worst actor of all time.
Prove you can secure our borders first. The only legislation that counts!
Wiggy! Great name. How's the
June 7, 2007 - 21:11 ET by Del DolemonteWiggy! Great name. How's the comb-over coming along?
Here's some of the "crap" I assume you're talking about
1. Iraq has WMDs. Oops, that's right, Bush didn't say that first-Clinton did.
2. Iraq and al Qaeda have a working relationship. Oops, that's right, Clinton's Justice Department said that in 1998 when they indicted bin Laden.
3. Iraq was tied to 9/11. Oops, that's wrong, because Bush never said it. But I can actually quote you a legal judgment by a Clinton-appointed Federal Judge in New York, who ruled in 2003 that Iraq did play a part in the 9/11 attacks. Judge Baer said that he didn't think Iraq played a "major" role, but he had no doubt that an impartial jury would find a connection.
Wiggy is part of the drive-by
June 7, 2007 - 22:14 ET by Clear thinkerWiggy is part of the drive-by media. You know, drop a bomb and run along to wait for something to happen.
Prove you can secure our borders first. The only legislation that counts!
Well that settles it for me
June 7, 2007 - 20:48 ET by GregEWell that settles it for me. I was on the fence on Bush, just waiting for Mr. Affleck to come out with his profoundity.
What a joke.
I wonder if having Affleck as
June 7, 2007 - 20:59 ET by CaringwhiteguyI wonder if having Affleck as a guest will cause any upward movement in Matthews dismal ratings. I thought sweeps ended in May.
Oh come one now, folks. Mr. A
June 7, 2007 - 21:00 ET by I-BurnOh come one now, folks. Mr. Affleck is just trying to provide us the benefit of his wisdom. I mean who else knew that Bush could be excuted for outing Plame? I sure didn't. He, Affleck, is way smarter than me, or any of you, obviously...
Mr. Affleck, you liberal pi
June 7, 2007 - 21:01 ET by BobAnthonyMr. Affleck, you liberal piece of filth--WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU HAD A SUCCESSFUL FILM??!!
(crickets chirping)
I THOUGHT SO! Why do you hate America?
Ben Affleck, your words look like a bumbling moron spoke them
June 7, 2007 - 21:09 ET by SportPoliticsBen Affleck, your words look like a bumbling moron spoke them. To see your words in print should be shameful to you. I hope you read it and realize what a moron you are.
Ben who? Where's The Fence
June 7, 2007 - 21:40 ET by Dave RBen who?
Where's The Fence, George?
AFLAC!!!!!
June 7, 2007 - 21:56 ET by Airforce_5_OAFLAC!!!!!
LOL-Oh, THAT quack! Where'
June 7, 2007 - 22:06 ET by Dave RLOL-Oh, THAT quack!
Where's The Fence, George?
What's that idiot complaining
June 7, 2007 - 21:50 ET by rbosqueWhat's that idiot complaining about I've seen him on the 101 (Hollywood Freeway) in a Ferrari. How does this President or war for that matter affect him? Idiot.
Ben Affleck deserves our symp
June 7, 2007 - 21:53 ET by dodecahedronBen Affleck deserves our sympathy. He's obviously got a case of Deranged Unmanageable Maligning of Bush Actor Senselessness Syndrome. Cases of DUMBASS are spreading throughout Hollywood and the MSM. The only known treatment of DUMBASS is the truth. Unfortunately, DUMBASS patients avoid the treatment since it tends to leave them without any friends.
Anybody who cannot hang on to
June 7, 2007 - 22:01 ET by Airforce_5_OAnybody who cannot hang on to "Jenny" from the block has no right calling anyone a loser.
'hood
June 7, 2007 - 22:05 ET by'hood
Hello my brother from another
June 7, 2007 - 22:20 ET by Airforce_5_OHello my brother from another mother.
He got no street cred, botg. Peace out.
Ben is too young to have tr
June 7, 2007 - 22:48 ET by gueinBen is too young to have tried to buy a house or a car during the Carter administration, so I can understand why he would think that the Bush and Cheney admin is the worst in history.
well Ben, Pearl Harbor was pr
June 7, 2007 - 22:57 ET by jwm45well Ben, Pearl Harbor was probably the WORST movie I ever had the misfortune of watching
Worse than Daredevil? Or Gigl
June 7, 2007 - 23:11 ET by balboaWorse than Daredevil? Or Gigli? Or Jersey Girl?
Only "They Live"
June 7, 2007 - 23:13 ET by Free StinkerOnly "They Live" comes close.
On Affleck
June 8, 2007 - 06:50 ET by UnsaneHey now, I always liked the line: "I'm here to chew bubble gum and kick ass and I'm out of bubble gum." :-)
Now, Pearl Harbor SUCKED, and worse, I was sorely disappointed...the movie did not match in any way, shape, or form, the awesome trailer. The trailer more or less detailed the five minutes of the movie that was actually WORTH seeing.
And Ben Affleck was a HORRIBLE Jack Ryan in The Sum of All Fears...but then, the absolute butchery carried out on that insanely outstanding novel ruined it from the word "go" anyway.
THIRTEEN DOWN, THREE TO GO...(until the SPURS' FOURTH RING!!!)
Pearl Harbor was a chick flic
June 8, 2007 - 11:28 ET by Sergeant ROCKPearl Harbor was a chick flick.
unsane...right on!!!
June 8, 2007 - 11:32 ET by LionKingI am a huge Clancy fan. I felt they had done an admirable job of making movies from his Novels until The Sum of All Fears. I loved the book, but I could not get past the first 15 minutes of the movie. It was terrible. I wish they would try again with perhaps a better screenplay and cast.
[Note: In the spirit of honesty and full-disclosure, I actually liked Alec Baldwin as Jack Ryan in The Hunt for Red October. ]
To be fair, the movie did con
June 8, 2007 - 11:22 ET by PeskyDaneTo be fair, the movie did contain at least two historical accuracies: The Arizona sank, and Dorie Miller shot down at least one, possibly two enemy planes.
I would like to thank Geof
June 7, 2007 - 23:01 ET by Free StinkerI would like to thank Geoffrey Dickens for watching this bs so that we don't have to.
I'm no full-on pom-pom shak
June 7, 2007 - 23:21 ET by frakolasI'm no full-on pom-pom shaker for Bush (I did vote for him 2x, however.) and I do support the Iraq war (being a Gulf War vet, I knew we would someday return...although I do have some issues with the current one ;) , but I wish the public could impeach crappy actors like Affleck. Acting is such a ridiculous occupation with salaries in the absurd. Their lifestyles are beyond anything most people will ever see which, apparently, affords them some sort of vast knowledge of all things. When did these hacks evolve beyond that of a court jester?
Why the hell bother with any commentary from these people? Why not have a "real person" as the interviewee? Why do we give a rats ass about Paris Hilton, which is the worst kind of celebrity (no real talent what-so-ever. Except maybe that one thing...), when there are *real* stories with *real* people out there?
Ugh, that's why I don't watch TV/cable news anymore.
</soapbox>
This looks like a Chris Matth
June 8, 2007 - 00:02 ET by maggieqpublicThis looks like a Chris Matthews set-up. Ben Affleck doesn’t have the credentials to offer a credible historical prediction, and Chris Matthews knows it. Chris was unable to book a top-tier historian to say Bush and Cheney are 'going to go down in history as having presided over one of the worst administrations in American history.’ There are (no doubt) many historians who believe that, but they don’t want to state their opinions as an absolute. Matthews was intentionally creating a controversial ratings gambit.
When history proves Affleck
June 8, 2007 - 01:14 ET by wiwfWhen history proves Affleck (and liberals) 1000% wrong, I will be laughing SO hard.
Ben Affleck just started voting recently
June 8, 2007 - 02:40 ET by SkepticalOneThis same actor hadn't even voted when he started talking about running for office. The Smoking Gun has the story. http://www.thesmokin...
The actor who has delivered more stinkers than a scared skunk should know a failure when he sees one, he was on Chris Matthews's show!
I wonder if Benny ever even read the Constitution, although the comic book version doesn't always get into the details--makes the pictures too complicated.
Did anyone else notice in t
June 8, 2007 - 02:49 ET by sarcasmoDid anyone else notice in the interview how Chris Matthews let this empty headed actor pretend that Ron Paul does not exist? More antilibertarian bias, busted courtesy of sarcasmo... An empty-headed Hollyweird actor has a right to be obsessed with the Iraq-war over all other things, and empty headed actors have an excuse not to be "up" on politics and various candidates' positions, but Chris Matthews doesn't. Like it or not, Chris Matthews simply DID NOT DO HIS JOB AS A JOURNALIST in this interview when he let Ben get away with acting as if there's no anti-war Republican candidate. Regardless of how you may feel about Ron Paul or his position on foreign policy, that's media dishonesty whether or not I have to point it out. Period.
JMR
No, didn’t see the show (ha
June 8, 2007 - 03:42 ET by maggieqpublicNo, didn’t see the show (haven’t seen Hardball for a year or so, but I used to be a fan). Doncha think Matthews was more interested in coaxing a “newsworthy” statement out of his well-known actor guest than he was in showing off his credentials as a serious journalist? Ron Paul is not my favorite, but his candidacy is worthy of analysis like any other.
The man who used to take pride in not covering the latest Michael Jackson episode….... is now plumbing the depths of Ben Affleck’s political and historical expertise.
Here's my point. If Chris h
June 8, 2007 - 03:52 ET by sarcasmoHere's my point. If Chris had done his job and said something like, "well, he's considered a 'fringe' candidate, but Ron Paul does exist" when Ben tried to lump all Republican candidates together as "for" the Iraq war, Ben might have been forced to respond honestly for a change. In my fantasies, he's forced to say something like, "Look, I'm a Hollyweird Democrat, Chris. I don't really give a crap about Iraq or US troops or anything but expanding an already-big federal government, and while big government has certainly expanded under Bush, it's not a big government controlled by Democrats (yet!) and that's the kind of big government I and various other Hollyweird actors really-want -- we're just trying to use the Iraq war to achieve our domestic political goal because the Iraq war's unpopular at the moment!!" That's sarcasmo-style hardball -- hopefully all of you can see why Ben and people like him are not exactly my buddies.
JMR
That would put me back on the
June 8, 2007 - 04:08 ET by maggieqpublicThat would put me back on the regular viewer list!
It's funny how The Left por
June 8, 2007 - 06:22 ET by Tom1969caIt's funny how The Left portrays Republican Presidents as ever-increasingly stupid --
-- and yet, in the past 40 years the only people the Left has managed to elect to the Presidency were Carter and Clinton - one of whom truly was one of the worst Presidents of the 20th century, and the other of whom truly was guilty of impeachable offenses.
~~~
"The current tax code is harder to understand than Bob Dylan reading Finnegan's Wake in a wind tunnel."-- Dennis Miller
Ben is an American first an
June 8, 2007 - 06:55 ET by rainlillieBen is an American first and an actor second. He has a
right to state his opinion. The same freedom of speech that you guys obviously
have a problem with, is the "freedom" you claim our troops are fighting for in
Iraq. Ben never claimed to be an expert as a matter of fact he said many times
during the interview he wasn't. You don't have to be a political expert to know
that this administration is one of the most incompetent that we've had in a long
time.
Sure he's had some failings in his life so has GWB,
that doesn't take away Ben's credibility. The fight over Clinton's impeachment
made me realize I made the right choice in being an Independent. The people on
the right went after him from day one and the Clinton supporters failed to see
that it wasn't about sex it was about lying to Federal Prosecutors, just like
the Libby case isn't about who leaked the name, It's about lying to
Federal Prosecutors.
Just because Ben disagrees with Bush doesn't mean he "hates
America." Did the people who disagreed with Clinton hate America? I disagree
with everyone on Faux news and the right wing parrots on the radio, therefore I
don't listen to them, but I think they have a right to say whatever they choose
as long as they're not advocating violence.
The biggest threat to the Bush Administration is an
informed public.
So that's why he ignored th
June 8, 2007 - 07:17 ET by sarcasmoSo that's why he ignored the facts and lumped all Republicans together! As I said, Chris (by letting Ben get away with it) did not do his job. This site is about media bias, and blatant bias by Matthews been busted just-now, like it or not, by me. I only hope it upsets the left and the right equally...
JMR
People on the left accuse C
June 8, 2007 - 07:27 ET by rainlilliePeople on the left accuse Chris of being to the right and people on the right say he's on the left. It's all lame and silly. Ben was stating his opinion He always said "I think" before speaking.
I rightly accused Chris, wh
June 8, 2007 - 07:36 ET by sarcasmoI rightly accused Chris, who definitely knows better, of letting a guest who should know better lump all Republicans together. You're trying to defend him without addressing my accusation a bit. Face it, I've busted antilibertarian (IOW: transcends simpleminded left-right 'maps' of political 'diversity," see my other posts with the quiz) bias. Again, I am not on the left or the right, I can upset you both -- often in the same post. You may not like it, and the various righties around here who hate Ron Paul's name ever getting mentioned probably don't like it either, but facts remain facts, and I've busted media bias on this one, period. 0 defense, no excuses for Chris, it's bias, I busted it, period.
JMR
I like Ron Paul better tha
June 8, 2007 - 08:13 ET by rainlillieI like Ron Paul better than most of the people running on either side. Of course there are some issues I disagree with him about, but I like his take on foreign policy.
The biggest threat to the Bush Administration is an informed public.
But he's not the point
June 8, 2007 - 08:18 ET by sarcasmoBut he's not the point. I like some stuff and dislike other stuff about Ron, too, and about various other politicians. The point is, Chris Matthews needs NOT to get away with antilibertarian media bias. He needs instead to get a clue, and to tell the whole truth for a change, not just a "major parties' simplified and pre-chewed majority viewpoints only" version of the 'truth' like he's trying to in this interview, or people like me on this site and the rest of the internet are gonna continue being merciless. And another thing about Ron and bias...Like it or not, in the case of Ron Paul, you all are seeing a true grass roots movement that's as confusing to the news media as Howard Dean's campaign ever was on its best day, and nobody but me wants to talk about it for some reason...Think about it....
JMR
Chris takes the side of whome
June 8, 2007 - 08:31 ET by rainlillieChris takes the side of whomever he's interviewing unless he has more than
one guest. It was just a light and fluffy interview. I agree with you about Ron
Paul's movement.
Unfortunately, the media has chosen Obama , Edwards and Clinton on the
left and Rudy, McCain and Romney on the right. I like some of Edwards Ideas, I
like some of Obama's Ideas, and I like some of Paul's ideas. They try to paint
Paul as the Republican Kucinich. I just read that Democrats and
Republicans are losing members. The Independent party is gaining. It would be
awesome if a third party could really give the two parties a run for their
money.
As of now I'm not committed to anyone.
"Chris takes the side
June 8, 2007 - 08:37 ET by sarcasmo"Chris takes the side of whomever he's interviewing unless he has more than one guest."
So that's why they call the show "Hardball"? Look, you're losing ground on this one, I busted antilibertarian bias, again, period.
JMR
Chris didn't ask any "
June 8, 2007 - 08:42 ET by rainlillieChris didn't ask any "hard' questions I really think it depends on the guest. Maybe it depends on his mood.
The biggest threat to the Bush Administration is an informed public.
Maybe "it" depend
June 8, 2007 - 08:59 ET by sarcasmoMaybe "it" depends on his antilibertarian bias...
JMR
Anything is possible.
June 8, 2007 - 09:01 ET by rainlillieAnything is possible.
"Anything" may be
June 9, 2007 - 07:57 ET by sarcasmo"Anything" may be possible, but a pattern of antilibertarian bias has now been proven by me, like it or not. Quit trying to make excuses for Matthews' crappy journalism in this case, it ain't workin'. This was obvious antilibertarian bias and I busted it right-here, period. Pretending libertarians do not exist will NOT make us disappear, especially now that the internet is around and we can intellectually trounce you...
JMR
"That doesn't take away
June 8, 2007 - 07:35 ET by ThisnThat"That doesn't take away from Ben's credibility".
And what credibility is that, by the way? Consider this (taken from Wikipedia): "'Today is the get-out-the-vote day and...I think this is the time to get involved, especially the young folks who are here ... I'm about to go vote,' He then said, 'I am personally gonna vote for Al Gore' .As votes were tallied that night [2000 Presidential election], Affleck told Salon.com's Amy Reiter, "I'm nervous this evening, but one of the things that's exciting to me is the amount of people who voted. No matter who wins, I think it's a healthy thing for our country that so many voters have come out and participated in the process. Either way, I think the most important number will be the turnout". However, as The Smoking Gun later discovered, Affleck himself did not vote that day."
Not very credible, I'm afraid.
Hey, he's as credible as th
June 8, 2007 - 07:45 ET by sarcasmoHey, he's as credible as the rest of Hollyweird! For example, he's left as they get politically, but apparently Ben's got a gun. Have a look at something a blogger said about the situation in 1993. Unlike Matthews, that blogger played hardball.
JMR
There are a lot of people w
June 8, 2007 - 08:10 ET by rainlillieThere are a lot of people who are in the middle on some issues and on the right or left on others. I've never heard Ben say he was a "liberal"
What single conservative po
June 8, 2007 - 08:21 ET by sarcasmoWhat single conservative position have you ever heard out of Ben's mouth? Just one. I've already given an example of Ben oversimplifying the Republican party, drastically, and fellow lefty Chris Matthews getting away with it, so it's example-time now for you. Let's see one.
JMR
I don't know that much abou
June 8, 2007 - 08:35 ET by rainlillieI don't know that much about Ben. He could be a moderate Democrat or a liberal Democrat. I never was a fan...I could take him or leave him. I always thought Matt was the more talented of the two...at least when it comes to acting.
So what makes him "in
June 8, 2007 - 08:40 ET by sarcasmoSo what makes him "in the middle" instead of, as most here probably suspect, "on the left"? Why not admit the obvious, about Ben and about the kind of bias I once-again busted?? You're at least as stubborn as anyone on the right here, but it's not helping you any more than it helps them!
JMR
Again I don't know that
June 8, 2007 - 08:55 ET by rainlillieAgain I don't know that much about Ben's beliefs to know what he supports or what he doesn't support. We have a habit in this country of putting people in a political box. I have friends who can't understand how I can be pro-choice and pro-life, and for the death penalty for crimes against children.
Then on the other side I have in laws who are the opposite of everything that I am. They are true conservative Republicans. As of now they're against the war and they're mad at hell at Bush for his stance on immigration. They said they don't like any of the choices that the Republican are offering. I sort of feel the same way with the Democrats.
Hey SarcYou will get nowhere
June 8, 2007 - 08:57 ET by Airforce_5_OHey Sarc
You will get nowhere with rain.
Read this and you will understand her "HATE".
Thanks for visiting my blog.
June 8, 2007 - 09:00 ET by rainlillieThanks for visiting my blog. You have helped bump up my ratings.
Best way to get to know a per
June 8, 2007 - 09:06 ET by Airforce_5_OBest way to get to know a person is to understand their thoughts. I now have a better understand of the bitterness you hold inside at work. A better understanding of the contemp you hold for those who support the President. A better understanding of your reason for being here.
Hey Rainy Day. As far as m
June 8, 2007 - 09:08 ET by The Wicked ConservativeHey Rainy Day. As far as my false Christianity goes... you may want to check out the 2nd commandment and what it says abut idolatry and while you've got your bible dusted off check out 1John3:15 "anyone who hates his brother is a murderer and shall not inherit the kingdom." That pertains to the 6th commandment. You may hate me, but don't profess Christianity.
The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.
"anyone who hates his
June 8, 2007 - 09:12 ET by rainlillie"anyone who hates his brother is a murderer and shall not inherit the kingdom."
Do you hate Bin Laden? I hate anyone who uses religion to divide people , regradless of what religion they align themselves with.
Rainlillie...
June 8, 2007 - 09:17 ET by The Wicked ConservativeYou may not want to understand this but no I don't hate him. I understand his eternal fate and I grieve for him. He is woefully burdened by lies that lead him to do as he does. Do I hate what he does and what he stands for? Of course I do. I feel the same pity for him that I do for anyone whose fate is hell.
The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.
Oh, Puhhhleezze
June 8, 2007 - 09:29 ET by Cool ArrowYou swallowed Osama's 'didication' to Islam hook a littlle deep didn't you?
Can we all gather round the campfire for a few chorases of KUMBAYA before we share the peace pipe with Osama. Liberals, I think have a sensual attachment to peace pipes.
Why even bother explaining your enlightened ability to separate 'sin from sinner'? Sounds just as insincere as the idiots who start every franken post with "I support our troops, but...."
I don't like OSAMA. My evolution index doesn't even come close to entertaining such a notion.
I would be so charitable as to say if I only had two bullets left, I'd give them both to him. Guess there's hope for me after all.
I'm sorry riled...
June 8, 2007 - 09:50 ET by The Wicked ConservativeDid that sound like I have any respect for islam??? That's the lie RO. I have no respect for dedication to a lie that leads to damnation and death of innocents. My humanity tells me to hate him but I choose not to. Don't insult me for that.
The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.
Bin Laden didn't use his reli
June 8, 2007 - 09:19 ET by ThisnThatBin Laden didn't use his religion to divide people -- he used his religion to justify killing people. Big difference, when you try to determine if people would hate them.
Then with your hate of all of
June 8, 2007 - 11:01 ET by danboThen with your hate of all of us people here. Are you guilts of murder in god's eye?
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
Wow...Switch a few names &a
June 8, 2007 - 09:17 ET by sarcasmoWow...Switch a few names & parties around, and it reminds me of those the media used to call "Clinton haters." I think Bush is wrong about a lot, and I thought Clinton was/is wrong about a lot, but neither one is the Devil, IMO. Anyway, I doubt I can change such set minds on either side of the oversimplified left-right political aisle, but if I can convince NB readers on the sidelines of the fact that "antilibertarian" is an actual and widespread category of mediabias, it's worth the time.
JMR
The only thing in the middle
June 8, 2007 - 09:35 ET by Sergeant ROCKThe only thing in the middle of the road is a yellow stripe.
Great bumper sticker!!
June 8, 2007 - 09:38 ET by sarcasmoGreat bumper sticker!!
JMR
From your link. This is inter
June 8, 2007 - 10:58 ET by danboFrom your link. This is interesting.
Such a loving person.
Kind of a hypocrite?
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
"And what credibility
June 8, 2007 - 08:07 ET by rainlillie"And what credibility is that, by the way?"
As an American citizen who has a right to speak freely.
The biggest threat to the Bush Administration is an informed public.
The lowest possible thresho
June 8, 2007 - 08:22 ET by sarcasmoThe lowest possible threshold, but for once on this thread, you're right.
JMR
I asked about credibility, no
June 8, 2007 - 08:39 ET by ThisnThatI asked about credibility, not rights.
Credibility: The quality, capability, or power to elicit belief.
Rights: Something that is due to a person or governmental body by law, tradition, or nature.
So, while he might have a right to say something, I question his credibility. One should be careful about confusing the two words, Credibility and Rights.
So you're saying since he d
June 8, 2007 - 08:58 ET by rainlillieSo you're saying since he didn't vote he doesn't have any credibility?
Since he did not vote he has
June 8, 2007 - 09:00 ET by Airforce_5_OSince he did not vote he has got no right to complain.
rain, that's an increadibly d
June 8, 2007 - 09:15 ET by ThisnThatrain, that's an incredibly dumb question. You're putting me on, right? Either that, or your're exhibiting the Lib tendency to select only the information/facts that suit your opinion, expressing your opinion against this incomplete set of facts, and assuming I'll fall for it. Here's what you should do. Follow along, now:
1. He was invovled, in 2000, in this "get out and vote" activity.
2. He publically announced he was going to vote.
3. He didn't vote.
4. Read the definition of creadibility -- the ability to be believed.
5. Now, re-read your response. You said "Since he didn't vote, he doesn't have any credibility?" You left out a real important fact: "He said he was going to vote -- then didn't". ergo, no credibility. The fact that he didn't vote has nothing at all to do with credibility in this instance.
You, and your lib talk-alikes, always do this -- cherry pick the information [that's right in front of you] and then pretend the rest of us can't see it. It's a big reason why the MSM, by the way, is losing it's credibility, too.
Let me get this straight. Thi
June 8, 2007 - 08:34 ET by danboLet me get this straight. This idiot has a right to, and to express his opinion. (I agree. He does.)
But we don't have a right to, or to express our opinions?
You know where you can put that.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
Sarcasmo, It was a pleasant e
June 8, 2007 - 09:20 ET by rainlillieSarcasmo, It was a pleasant exchange.You have some interesting Views. I'm
going to read up on some of the things you've stated. Although we may not have
agreed.. You managed to treat me with respect and I thank you for that. The
subject has become very boring to me, there's isn't anything left to say. Later!
I see you are able to shut of
June 8, 2007 - 09:36 ET by kathleenirishI see you are able to shut off the bold-face when you wanted to. It is very annoying, but not quite as annoying as your condescending stupidity.
If the subject is so boring, why did you write so much about something and someone you stated you don't know much about?
Anyone who says they support the troops but not the mission is a liar.
The subject always becomes bo
June 8, 2007 - 09:51 ET by ThisnThatThe subject always becomes boring when you realize you have no substantial, valid points to bring up. She's not a very logical person, and she really can't carry a thoughtful, interesting discussion. Too bad. I'm still looking for anyone on the left who can do more than express hate (and then claim they don't express hate) and leave out facts and information. Apparantly, that person doesn't exist, and instead, we end up with the likes of her.
And therefore sarc you are no
June 8, 2007 - 09:54 ET by Airforce_5_OAnd therefore sarc you are now dismissed from our presents. We are not amused anymore.
Shall we now bow as she leaves?
I thought he wanted to hang B
June 8, 2007 - 09:29 ET by kathleenirishI thought he wanted to hang Bush for his crime of "outing" the perjurer, Val Plame. What about it, jerk? Who should be hung now?
The fact this guy has any sort of career at all is because Matt Damon, who is only a rung or two higher on the evolutionary scale than he, let Affleck tie his little red wagon to the back of his. There are so many no-talents in Hollywood spouting off these days, what can you say? Same old shite.
Anyone who says they support the troops but not the mission is a liar.
Bashing President Bush
June 8, 2007 - 15:47 ET by Texasbeliever(George Takei, Star Trek, Heroes)
President Bush bashers should take this quote to heart.
"I grew up in U.S. internment camps during World War II. We were surrounded by barbed wire fences and machine guns. We took communal showers and meals, and a searchlight followed us on night runs to the latrine. After the war my mother and father couldn't find housing, and I had a teacher who called me "little Jap boy." That stung. But my parents taught me that being bitter only pickles the one that stews in the brine. Good advice. The bullies were the ones stewing in their own spite and ignorance. Once you realize that those who hurt you also hurt themselves, it is easier to forgive them. And that's liberating."
Remember just because you are rich, famous and known for your looks, not your smarts, it does not make you wise or give you the right to use your "talents" to bash MY PRESIDENT. He could use the phrase, "I'm rubber and you are glue, everything you say about me bounces off of me and sticks to you." Wake up mr. ben! The sole of his foot is cleaner and smarter than you or anyone like you that uses their limited vocabulary to come up with evil, ugly words to try to put him down. Mr. Bush will have the last laugh. Let's face it I have never seen a movie with you or made by you and I never intend to. Does that hurt you? No, I am just one but there are millions out there that feel just like I do. But President Bush has served two terms as my President and if he could run again I would vote for him.
If you don't vote, don't bi
June 8, 2007 - 15:56 ET by wiwfIf you don't vote, don't bitch.
/stfu