Here’s an inconvenient truth the media aren’t likely to share with citizens as they continue to spread global warming alarmism: schemes currently being debated to reduce CO2 emissions likely will destroy the airline industry while diminishing new job creation.
So suggested a Seattle Times article Wednesday (h/t Chris Horner, emphasis added):
European airlines claimed say the European Union' plan for a mandatory greenhouse-gas cap and trading system would cripple the industry with extra costs of $5.4 billion a year.
Low-cost airlines such as Ryanair joined major carriers such as British Airways and Lufthansa in saying the plan would diminish mobility, hurt the overall economy and cut off remote areas from tourist traffic, citing a report that the airlines commissioned from global accounting group Ernst & Young and air transport consultants York Aviation.
Sounds great, doesn’t it? However, the news is even worse according to an Associated Press article also published Wednesday (h/t Benny Peiser, emphasis added):
Because of stiff competition, airlines say they would be unable to pass costs on to customers, which would in turn prohibit investment in new routes and technology. It could also quash up to 42,000 new jobs needed to handle anticipated industry growth, the airlines said.
Think that Katie, Charlie, or Brian will be reporting this any time soon?
Of course, folks like Al Gore, Sheryl Crow, Laurie David, and Leonardo DiCaprio don’t care about any of this because they fly private jets.
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commercial vs private jets
June 7, 2007 - 09:23 ET by RJSay, here's an idea that should be embraced by the socialistic believers in anthropogenic global warming: since they're a redundant transportation system, apply a heavy tax to private jets. How about two, three, or four times the rate of commercial? Think Gore, Crow, DiCaprio, and David would be enthusiastic about that? ;^>
These people are the reason t
June 7, 2007 - 09:36 ET by danboThese people are the reason the world will end in 10 years. Their carbon foot print is huge. Let's ban the use of private jets. And 1st class. Let them squeeze in those little seats. Make them travel the way us "little" people do.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
This is what this GW fiasco
June 7, 2007 - 09:30 ET by iveseenitallThis is what this GW fiasco is all about. Look to the money for the left to do with it as they will. Tax, tax, tax with no accountabilty. BTW, I just heard there's a billion missing and unaccounted for in the Katrina scam. I doubt it's just a billion.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
The Greens are so arrogant, T
June 7, 2007 - 09:31 ET by danboThe Greens are so arrogant, They will ruin the economy and kill people; for something that is far from proven.
This will make the deaths from malaria after the DDT ban look like small change.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
danbo, don't you know the m
June 7, 2007 - 14:15 ET by motherbeltdanbo, don't you know the mantra? If even one child is saved as a result of this, it will have been worth it! That means if you disagree with anything they say or do, it means you WANT KIDS TO DIE!!!!!!
And if a couple million kids
June 7, 2007 - 17:19 ET by danboAnd if a couple million kids die as a result of what you're doing to save that ONE kid?
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
... wait, let me get out my c
June 7, 2007 - 20:49 ET by dahliatravers... wait, let me get out my calculator ...
Well I guess it is back to th
June 7, 2007 - 09:42 ET by Airforce_5_OWell I guess it is back to the stone age with us.
The Libs do not understand the Economic impact of CO2 control.
I mean they will blame GW for anything going on in the world.
Algoreism is coming. Be prepared.
The environmentalist whackos
June 7, 2007 - 10:20 ET by NNNortonThe environmentalist whackos are pushing all this on all of us despite the fact that CO2 emitted by man is of-the-order 0.1% of the total greenhouse effect*... that's 0.1%! If we follow the "teachings" of Al Gore and his minions, we will significantly damage our economy while having neglibible impact on global temperatures.
As a practicing environmental engineer, I have had it. This is insane and totally out of control. Have we all gone totally bonkers? Where, other than NewsBusters, is the media seeking truth... all we get is propaganga rehash.
*About 95% of the greenhouse effect is due to water vapor; the other 5% is due to CO2, methane, nitrous oxide and other miscellaneous gases. The contribution specific to CO2 is about 72%, so CO2 is really responsible for roughly 3.6% of the greenhouse effect (i.e., 5%*72%). Since only about 3% of atmospheric CO2 results from human activity, the net result is 0.11% (i.e., 3%*3.6%) of the greenhouse effect is due to anthropogenic CO2.
http://www.climateaudit.org/w
June 7, 2007 - 11:02 ET by dscotthttp://www.climateaudit.org/
www.sepp.org
http://antigreen.blogspot.com/
not from the MSM that's for sure.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
No liberals in the Stoneage
June 7, 2007 - 11:19 ET by Jack BauerAirforce -- if we did go back to the Stoneage, who's gonna die horribly first.
Folks who are self-sufficient, self-reliant, self-motivated, self-defenders, armed to their large Stoneage teeth with clubs/rocks/bows... or --
Veggie weiner/whiner LIB***LS, who just wanna 'dialogue' with the other tribes. (And knit mammoth wool peace quilts.)
Survival of the Fittest Jack
June 7, 2007 - 11:34 ET by Airforce_5_OSurvival of the Fittest Jack. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!!!!!!!
the plan would diminish mobil
June 7, 2007 - 10:14 ET by dscottthe plan would diminish mobility, hurt the overall economy and cut off remote areas from tourist traffic
Which is precisely why the enviros are proposing it, haven't you heard tourism contributes to AGW just like cow flatulence.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
If I'm not mistaken human b
June 7, 2007 - 10:18 ET by MightyMouthIf I'm not mistaken, human breathing (expells CO2) also contributes to AGW. Have they got a solution for that?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
That indirectly is part of th
June 7, 2007 - 10:58 ET by dscottThat indirectly is part of the enviros call to reduce human population. Since CO2 output is proportional to human activity, the logical solution is to reduce the number of humans which inevitably reduces their consumption which creates CO2. Even the enviros realize there is no way to reduce CO2 emissions by conservation methods and technology, the Final Solution is their only solution to their made up problem.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
"he logical solution i
June 7, 2007 - 11:10 ET by MightyMouth"he logical solution is to reduce the number of humans"
Then by logical extension (at least to my finite mind) would be to encourage the remaining population to reduce CO2 emissions further by say... not exercising! As areobic exercise increases CO2 output. Thank God, I hate getting behind a group of bicycle crazed moonbats all dressed in their matching outfits and sponge helmets driving down roads built for cars, not bikes!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Now let's watch how we talk a
June 7, 2007 - 11:34 ET by danboNow let's watch how we talk about cyclist. LOL Not all of us are Moonbats. (Though it's been a while since I was a serious cyclist.)
Looking for every change I can to increase the CO2. Swimming, cycling, travel, BBQ.
The CO2 is good for the plants.
Note. Gear is someting you buy from a balance of performance, and economy. Not looks. If you see someone where everything matches...
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
Yeah, some of us are doing o
June 7, 2007 - 13:50 ET by dahliatraversYeah, some of us are doing our best to add to manmade CO2 through exercise.
Guys, I live in Fort Worth
June 7, 2007 - 14:04 ET by MightyMouthGuys, I live in Fort Worth Texas! If there is a big group of cyclists on the road, you can bet they ain't goin to the Rodeo, they're moonbats!! :-)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM... I'm not so sure. I saw
June 7, 2007 - 14:11 ET by Clear thinkerMM...
I'm not so sure. I saw a Discovery Times Channel program that highlighted the Gay Rodeo circuit. I tuned in because I was curious as to who or what got ridden ;-)
Prove you can secure our borders first. The only legislation that counts!
Doh! Ok they weren't headed
June 7, 2007 - 14:18 ET by MightyMouthDoh! Ok, they weren't headed to Billy Bob's for sure! (no wine coolers).
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
A number of years ago, after
June 7, 2007 - 17:45 ET by danboA number of years ago, after my 1st century, several of us went to a pizza parlor to pull ourselves out of the bonks. Carbo replenishment through god's natural carbo source. Beer! With pizza, of course. Lots of pizza.
We started discussing our lives as cyclist. Every one of us had been hit by a car, at least once. (4 or 5 times in my case.)
Near the end of a 50 mile mountain ride. Freezing temps. When I stopped at a convience store for fluids. Some yahoo make a crack about my lycra short. He almost ate my pump
When your thighs have looked like a map of the Everglades from the road rash. When you get dropped like bad gas at 30 mph in a chase after a break away. You don't need to go to the rodeo.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
Danbo, eat healthy, keep fit,
June 7, 2007 - 22:47 ET by MikeBDanbo, eat healthy, keep fit, die anyway. I bike a little bit, but am not fanatic about it. If I am going to cause myself pain, I'd rather do it rock climbing. I think bicyclists and runners are two species of super-insane people. ;-)
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Mike. Don't do it to live lon
June 8, 2007 - 09:14 ET by danboMike. Don't do it to live long. As you point out we die anyway. I have known people who died running. Someone had a heart attack in front of me in an Azelia Trail 10k. Happened so fast I almost stepped on him.
Eat what you enjoy. I hate "healthy" food. No taste. (Unless you enjoy airline food.) Life is too short to eat just to live.
The miles of running took their toll on my body. I'm only walking a little now and swimming a couple miles a week. I do it because I enjoy it. And it gives me the stammina to do some of the things I enjoy.
This former runner, cyclist, is an out of shape insane person.
Someone described the bike riding we learned as kids as a high school education in cycling. Bike touring as a college education. Bicycle commuting as a graduate school. And bike racing as reform school.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
The economic arguments are de
June 7, 2007 - 10:18 ET by mattmThe economic arguments are definitely correct, but they miss the point. APGW is a farce. There is the distinct possibility that whatever warming is happening is actually a good thing.
Engaging in the economic arguments, in a way, concedes a point that doesn't need to be conceded.
Jet contrails - cooling effect?
June 7, 2007 - 11:27 ET by Gary HallJet contrails - cooling effect?
Just might be that global warming nutties might want to reconsider. Some of us might remember a few of the wild ideas floated around where we could put sun screens up in orbit (yup, in outer space) to help cool the earth during the impending era of doom and gloom. Other ideas have been floated also, like injecting some sort of material into the higher atmosphere or a fleet of small spacecraft. Science fiction has no bounds.
Following 9/11, all aircraft flights were banned over the US. Over the years that followed, one story after another came out about how for 3 days we suddenly cooled off. But one study sought out all the temperature records for those days, and it showed that the delta (difference) in temperature between night time and day time, between the lows and highs, showed a sudden increase. The effect is referred to as global dimming. (still a doomsday scenario or not).
This gets a bit trippy, as most are running out and suggesting that getting the planes out of the air, will solve the problem. Not so, it seems. The contrails block some of the suns rays - the result being that it heated up more in the day time. Some are suggesting that it cooled off more at night because the trapping effect was removed, but I find it difficult to fathom that in 3 days time, suddenly warm air on the ground escaped because of something 30,000 feet up.
On one other hand, it appears that jet contrails and other particulates in the atmosphere also have a cooling effect - in that they block the heat from the sun. On the other hand, supposedly all of this over time adds to the greenhouse effect by trapping the heat in; without the contrails we might actually have warmed up to where we were in the last warm spell on earth.
In the immediate moment, it would seem that adding more planes to the airspace would simply provide a sunshade - a little relief from hot summer days perhaps.
This could get real interesting, but in the meantime - I'd let the airlines keep applying the sunscreen.
Ernst & Young?! That's
June 7, 2007 - 14:00 ET by dahliatraversErnst & Young?! That's impressive.
It's great that interested parties are beginning to quantify the effects on our economy of curbing greenhouse gases. Many AGW advocates truly do not believe there would be any fallout.
Many many many of them. In fa
June 7, 2007 - 15:49 ET by CapitalismRulesMany many many of them. In fact it is really frightening how many of them simply say- "okay fine maybe this is not a done deal, but certainly reducing CO2 couldn't hurt, right?" Um, yeah it can. And where do we stop? How many economic policies to we need to change or create based on very unproven scientific theories?