As NewsBusters reported Monday, although a terrorist plot to destroy the leading airport in the region was thwarted, the leading newspaper in the area, the New York Times, chose to place the article about the incident off of the paper’s front page Sunday.
This has created a bit of a backlash around the nation, and from readers who sent questions to the Times’ national editor Suzanne Daley about this decision (h/t Charles at LGF).
First, the questions (emphasis added throughout):
Q. I live in California and was astounded yesterday to look at my print edition of The Times for the article on the J.F.K. bomb plot and to find it back on page A30!
What has happened with the news judgment of your colleagues? A terrorist plot that could have badly damaged the entire economy of the nation, including those of us who live in the Bay Area, and it's relegated to the level of bridge club reports. You might wish to suggest to your editors that your readers do not live in a vacuum, that we do have alternative sources for news and they only make The Times look foolish with such ineptitude. No wonder your circulation and advertising are falling; your editors are turning a once-honored newspaper into a dinosaur in the electronic age.
-- Richard Godfrey, San Francisco
Q. Could you offer some insights on how The Times decided to play the story about the alleged J.F.K. terror plot? It was noticeably different than the way the other leading national papers played it; your placement (Metro) and coverage have been more skeptical. I'm particularly curious about why it was not considered a national story, but rather, a local one. Thanks.
-- Barbara, Manhattan
Great questions, right? Well, here was the lame answer:
Here's the basic thinking on the J.F.K. story: In the years since 9/11, there have been quite a few interrupted terrorist plots. It now seems possible to exercise some judgment about their gravity. Not all plots are the same. In this case, law enforcement officials said that J.F.K. was never in immediate danger. The plotters had yet to lay out plans. They had no financing. Nor did they have any explosives. It is with all that in mind, that the editors in charge this weekend did not put this story on the front page.
In truth, the decision was widely debated even within this newsroom. At the front page meeting this morning, we took an informal poll and a few editors thought the story should have been more prominently played. Some argued it should have been fronted, regardless of the lameness of the plot, simply because it was what everyone was talking about.
And Mr. Godfrey, as to dinosaur-ism: we had the story up on nytimes.com before 1 p.m. on Saturday. The official press conference on the subject had not even started.
Amazing arrogance, wouldn’t you agree? After all, didn’t they think New Yorkers – which, of course, is their primary market – would be interested in knowing about any possible attack on them regardless of how close it was to coming to fruition?
Furthermore, this comment about the number of such foiled plots is a common liberal meme that needs to be debunked: events don’t lose their newsworthiness due to repetition or precedent, especially ones involving possible loss of life. Or, should the press stop reporting on the lives lost in Iraq, as clearly this is repetitious?
And maybe the next time Tiger Woods wins a golf tournament, or the Yankees win a World Series, nobody should bother reporting it due to the frequency of such occurrences.
Of course, if we take this to a more personal level, would the editors want police in their hometowns to decide what threats on their families were grave enough to share with them, or would they like to be apprised of all such uncovered plots against them regardless of the “gravity?”
As for having this story at nytimes.com before 1 PM Saturday, I wouldn’t be too proud of that achievement, Suzanne. After all, a blog named Neocon Express reported this at 9:51 AM Saturday, or more than three hours before you.
And, CNN reported this during the 11 AM installment of “CNN Newsroom.”
What was that about your dinosaur status?
Finally, I’d be interested to know if left-wing websites like Think Progress are going to apologize to people like Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly for stating that he and others were wrong about this story not being on the Times’ front page. After all, if the Times is now admitting it, shouldn’t you?
Of course, I won’t hold my breath waiting for such a retraction or amendment, and neither should you.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.















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This might actually be the st
June 6, 2007 - 12:27 ET by ThisnThatThis might actually be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Glad to see a national outrage about this. Look for circulation problems to increase dramatically at NYT, very soon. Out-of-region readers of the Times won't stand for this.
Liberal media outlets are d
June 6, 2007 - 12:38 ET by doubledown552Liberal media outlets are dying among everyone except the FAR-left. Their time is up.
Morals....? Who needs those?
I would think the in-region r
June 6, 2007 - 13:14 ET by taznarI would think the in-region readers would be the most upset. If my local paper buried a story like that occuring in the area, I'd say they're out of touch with what local residents think is important. In other words if I lived in New York, I'd find it less troubling for the LA Times to bury the story than the NYT.
If Hillary was president, the
June 6, 2007 - 14:03 ET by Mica the MagnificentIf Hillary was president, the NY Times front page headline would read:
It Takes A Woman To Stop A Terrorist Plot!
or Hillary Succeeds Where Bush Failed! or
Hillary Saves Millions of Her Fellow New Yorkers!
BTW - Where IS Hillary on the foiled terror plot? After all, she should be relieved, since she loves New Yorkers!
Debated widely in the newsroom?
June 6, 2007 - 12:38 ET by Cool ArrowSounds a lot like LBJ and MacNamara "agonizing" over the soldiers dying while they continued to do nothing.
Well, New Yorkers know this incident happened, and will now choose whether it is better to be ignorant than informed.
If the Times won't openly discuss (rather than "widely in the newsroom") those issues that affect New Yorkers directly, maybe New Yorkers yank their subscriptions
They downplayed the Ft. Dix plot, too.
June 6, 2007 - 12:42 ET by RJThey downplayed the Ft. Dix plot, too. They're doing their best to literally push the War on Terror into the back pages and make it "irrelevant."
Of course they are. Edwards
June 6, 2007 - 12:47 ET by JimboOf course they are. Edwards stated the liberal’s point of view on the subject perfectly. “The War of Terror is a Bumper Sticker”.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Ft. Dix Six and JFK
June 6, 2007 - 13:07 ET by Cool ArrowAnd if Shrillary's constituents are OK with this 'molehills out of mountains' technique, I'll be blogging how stupid New Yorkers were to tolerate it.
Maybe it's not PC to say what I believe now, before there is another full blown terrorist attack, but remember how franken p!ssed off you were when America didn't answer the Cole attack. Well, I was one of those ppl more mad at our inaction for the Cole than the ongoing chad count in Florida.
So if New Yorkers are so busy lusting over the latest Obama foldout, or so afraid attention to Ft Dix and JFK airport will positively reflect on a political party, that they refuse to notice pure evil in their midst, it's not like they haven't been attacked before.
Do they long for a fresh fix of national sympathy?
This is the city that runs the world financial market. New Yorkers have a duty to be vigilant and to demand honesty and unfiltered clarity from their news sources.
I live in the New York area,
June 6, 2007 - 13:15 ET by JimboI live in the New York area, so I consider myself qualified to answer your question.
Astonishingly, New Yorkers by and large have put 9/11 behind them. I routinely see abandoned backpacks on a subway platform that get a quick glance and nothing more. New Yorkers walk past ground zero and never glance over. In fact, they become angry when people from out of town who are trying to get a glimpse of ground zero block their way. They openly, and heatedly, denounce the President and the War on Terror. They look at Hillary like the Queen of New York, even though she never lived there and ran there because it was the only State in the country who would elect her.
Witnessing it brings me a mix of wonder, sorrow and pity, but mostly outright rage.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Jimbo
June 6, 2007 - 13:23 ET by Cool ArrowI'm a Texan through and through, but there's a lot to like about New York. Just wish they'd get a little redneck when warranted.
Me too. Unfortunately, New
June 6, 2007 - 13:29 ET by JimboMe too. Unfortunately, New Yorkers are about as far from redneck as you can get. You’d think that NY’ers would be leading the charge on the WOT, given that we were the ones attacked, and are the prime target for round two. People would prefer to walk around wrapped in their protective cocoons provided free of charge by the New York Times.
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The only way for me to state
June 6, 2007 - 13:30 ET by BeowulfThe only way for me to state this is to basically slam New Yorkers, but these are the same people who put the likes of Charlie Rangel and Mikey Bloomburg in office and retain them. I don't know what district is what for senate representation, but you have your pick of two incredible losers in Shrillary or Chucky Schumer, both of whom have been elected and re-elected. These are the elected officials intended to represent the philosophies of New Yorkers. If this is the message New Yorkers want to send, then no one should be surprised the the NYT treats news in this manner.
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Senators represent the entire
June 6, 2007 - 13:46 ET by JimboSenators represent the entire state, so districts don’t matter in the strict sense of the word. That being said, how New York City votes, so goes the State (usually),
With regard to Hillary, it amazes me that she made no bones about carpet bagging it to NY because it was the only place she could get elected. She never lived there, didn’t (and still doesn’t) truly understand the needs or dynamics of the state as a local would. It never rerally mattered to her, because it was her plan to use the office as a stepping stone to the White House. The most astounding part is that the people of NY knew she was using them, and didn’t care.
Then, she was reelected as State Senator even though everyone knew she would immediately announce her White House bid, and mostly ignore her duties as NY Senator. Once again, NY’ers knew it., but didn’t care.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Hence my point. These are som
June 6, 2007 - 13:55 ET by BeowulfHence my point. These are some of the most leftist of the lefties, yet New Yorkers (state and city - and BTW Jimbo, good point about who leads the vote) not only elect these drips, they RE-ELECT them. And KEEP re-electing them. Kinda like Massachusets with the two "K"s... If you put morons in office to represent you, you tend to get moronic representation, as well as a stigma to go along with your elected officials.
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Used to live up in Syracuse,
June 6, 2007 - 13:56 ET by CapitalismRulesUsed to live up in Syracuse, thank God I got out of there before the Hillary swept into town. I still to this day want someone, anyone to please tell me why she should even be anyplace close to the poistion of power she already enjoys let alone is trying to obtain.
Hillary's path CapRules
June 6, 2007 - 14:03 ET by Cool ArrowOK, I'll tell you how this feminist got to her position of prominence:
The coat tails of her man.
Agreed, but this is the presi
June 6, 2007 - 14:09 ET by CapitalismRulesAgreed, but this is the presidency of the most powerful nation on earth we talkin' about. Has it really become that much of a joke or a soap opera to everyone but we few that so many would take the disgruntled wife of a womanizing, pot-smoking, smooth-talking, draft-dodging ex president and make her president just for reality-TV sake? If so, we are not going to last much longer.
Soap Opera
June 6, 2007 - 14:16 ET by JimboUnfortunately, in addition to the die hard left wingers, a significant portion of this country came of “political age” during the Clinton years. This was a time when there was little regard for the office by the person sitting in it. This was a time when his staff treated their 8 years like some sort of extended spring break.
This same segment of the population had that vision reinforced over the last 8 years while the MSM continually vilified the Bush administration and Republicans at large.
So yes. Assuming Hillary gets the Democratic nomination, a significant portion of these people will vote for her, given their twisted sense of political reality.
But I have never believed that there will be enough of ‘em to put her in the White House. I believe that more now than ever.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
You're right to a point Riled
June 6, 2007 - 14:10 ET by BeowulfYou're right to a point Riled. But "her man" wouldn't have gone nearly as far without her. I hate to give the shrew an inch, but the one thing you can't take away from her is that she is a genious at the political game. For anyone to have come as far as she has, with all her fakery, blatant faults, missteps, and baggage is truly amazing. She put (and kept) Willy in the White House. At the time she was just drafting. Now she's slingshotting herself towards the WH, using the Slick One for momentum.
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Dick Morris, not Hillary
June 6, 2007 - 14:16 ET by Cool ArrowI'm betting Dick Morris was more the architect of Bill Clinton's rise than Hillary. I'll cede she didn't trash Bill for spite when she could have in the Governors mansion, but she wasn't the tactician who got Bill into the White House.
And without Bill's credentials, we don't know Hillary.
Agreed, Dick Morris was Willy
June 6, 2007 - 14:21 ET by BeowulfAgreed, Dick Morris was Willy's Rove, and was huge in the campaigns. I still say Shrillary was the puppetmaster pulling Slick's strings the whole time. Let's use your analogy and say Morris was the tactician, while the Hilla-Monster was the strategist.
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Actually, I think you have to
June 6, 2007 - 17:28 ET by Del DolemonteActually, I think you have to give more credit, at least in the 1992 campaign, to Carville.
Yeah, Carville too.
June 6, 2007 - 17:32 ET by Cool ArrowDon't like him much neither.
some dark star
June 6, 2007 - 14:27 ET by tumblerIn fact, though. Bill Clinton got to the presidency in his first term because of his lucky stars. A conjunction of planets never before seen in our country's history.
FIRST;
Everyone knows he makes a very handsome appearance; though we hate to admit that. And, he's glib.
Second: Poppy Bush was about the FEEBLEST, poorest political protagonist going back to Senator Claghorn. He slept through the debates while Bubba & Al Gore lied rings around him.
AND THEN: --Ross Perot divided the country like a locust plague; tearing away what poor support remained for the GOP. Perot was never supposed to win, but he snipped George Bush Sr. off at the knees for Bubba. Wherever Perot is today, I hope he steps on a RUSTY NAIL !
Astute observation Tumbler
June 6, 2007 - 14:29 ET by Cool ArrowAnd with Perot dragging in Bush votes, Bill didn't get 50%
My guess is, Tumbler was savi
June 6, 2007 - 16:32 ET by RESTLESS 1My guess is, Tumbler was saving the best (or worst?) for last.
i don't understand
June 6, 2007 - 16:36 ET by tumblerTumbler ?
Could you re-shuffle the cards ? I'm wondering what I did.
I was referencing your post a
June 6, 2007 - 18:12 ET by RESTLESS 1I was referencing your post above, about how clinton got his first term. It is my opinion that Ross Perot is the main reason billy got the White House in the first place. Didn't mean to be so ambiguous.
Not sure if you intended to l
June 6, 2007 - 14:30 ET by JimboNot sure if you intended to list those in order of significance, but as far as I’m concerned, number 3 is number 1.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Yep, Jimbo
June 6, 2007 - 14:33 ET by tumblerHe's the Dark Star; the midget with a hand grenade head.
Bubba is also one of the most
June 6, 2007 - 15:00 ET by BeowulfBubba is also one of the most charismatic speakers I've seen in a long while. But (not to reverse the current trend), so was Hitler... ;-}~
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I think Hillary is an OK poli
June 6, 2007 - 14:20 ET by JimboI think Hillary is an OK politician at best. Right now she is navigating a political minefield with balancing her bid for President with her position on the war. But to me, most of what she says and most of the positions she takes is right out of Willie’s playbook. I think he is taking a very heavy hand in her campaign right now. Everything from high level strategy decisions down to proofing key speeches.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
By playing the victim to the
June 6, 2007 - 14:06 ET by JimboBy playing the victim to the liberal’s god on earth.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
"... why she should even be a
June 6, 2007 - 23:29 ET by dahliatravers"... why she should even be anyplace close to the poistion of power she already enjoys let alone is trying to obtain."
Wonderfully phrased. (Many of us are wondering as well.)
This is the KEY to what media
June 6, 2007 - 12:52 ET by mattmThis is the KEY to what media bias is. i.e. they report pretty much everything, but HOW and WHERE they place certain items, and the fact that they don't openly admit their agenda, demonstrates their bias...
These foiled plots prove the Bush plan has at least some merit and has probably saved hundreds of lives and millions of dollars of damage...This doesn't fit the "Bush Failure" template, so they downplay it...
"Ignorance has a well-known Liberal bias." - Publius
NB is being heard and taken seriously
June 6, 2007 - 13:16 ET by Six String SpiffWell well well... The NYT had stoop down to "our level" and answer some serious questions we have for them. They know damn right well they are trying to push the GWOT off the stove entirely. The NYT attempted another drive-by and we threw out the spike strips. We should all be very proud of ourselves.
Islam should have it's religious status revoked until it can prove it's not a hate group.
Absolutely, but did you notic
June 6, 2007 - 14:01 ET by CapitalismRulesAbsolutely, but did you notice how even in this humbling experience for the NYT, they still try to turn an arrogant eye towards all of us as if saying, "yeah, we debated giving it more coverage, so you bloggers can feel better but we know what's best for the country since the guy we don't want is in the White House."
NYT Answers Questions Concerning Placing JFK Terror Plot Story O
June 6, 2007 - 13:23 ET by RileyThe IrishI'm sure if any ordinary conservative's dog did its duty on the sidewalk, the Times would make it front page news.
The only thing that will every open the 'Times' eyes to the threat our counrty is under is an attack on everything they hold dear - their own bottoms.
terrorism ???
June 6, 2007 - 13:55 ET by LionKingI thought according to Rosie, we are the terrorists. Aside from that, those Freedom Fighters are just not being treated fairly.</sarc...
These guys were even more of
June 6, 2007 - 14:32 ET by waka wakaThese guys were even more of a joke than the Fort Dix six. Even if these maroons did have the money and explosives necessary to carry out the attack, the explosion would have never traveled beyond the first charge. Ask any engineer.
It's nice to see the NYT has moved past its Judy Miller days of carrying water for the prez and is using a little skepticism when told that W has saved us from "the big one" yet again.
Reality has a well known liberal bias.
skepticism...I am sure that's it
June 6, 2007 - 14:37 ET by LionKingOh, I am sure its skepticism.</sarc... Too bad every other major news outlet did not exhibit the same skepticism.
Yeah ... Yeah ... And I suppo
June 6, 2007 - 14:55 ET by drillanwrYeah ... Yeah ... And I suppose if the 9-11 plot had been thwarted you would be saying the same lame thing.
The NYTimes `carrying the water for the prez' ?????
<PWWWAAAAA-HAAAAA-HAAAAAA>
Please! Send me those issues!!!
What's the plan Waka?
June 6, 2007 - 15:00 ET by JimboHey Waka – what’s your plan here? To write a ridiculous troll post on every thread and run away? Sure doesn’t seem like you are interested or capable of an honest and rational debate.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Is that what the NYT has been
June 6, 2007 - 15:06 ET by BeowulfIs that what the NYT has been doing? Carrying water for Dubya? If that's the case, then the WaPo must be under his desk with Bubba's leftover cigars and FOX must be having his babies <much sarc.
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I agree. I, too, long for the
June 6, 2007 - 15:34 ET by Roger the ShrubberI agree. I, too, long for the days of the non-stop daily hit pieces the NYT did on the Clinton Administration.
BTW, I asked the engineer down at the trainyard and the guy had no clue what I was talking about...
LOL. Of course, wiki wiki her
June 6, 2007 - 17:30 ET by Del DolemonteLOL. Of course, wiki wiki here would be one of the first to call for Bush's head on a platter if the attack had come to fruition.
By the way, has anyone ever seen wiki and Punch Sulzburger in the same place at the same time?
How many engineers did you as
June 6, 2007 - 17:32 ET by well99How many engineers did you ask and were they sanitation engineers at that?
In the years since 9/11, ther
June 6, 2007 - 14:51 ET by drillanwrIn the years since 9/11, there have been quite a few interrupted terrorist plots.
Let me get this straight ... All I heard from the 9-11 Commission (and the BDS family members of some of the victims) was:
1) What did Bush know and when did he know it?
2) Why didn't they connect the dots?
Well, seems to me "what/when" were found out and dots were connected in time to save, as one poster addressed, many lives and property, and quite probably this country's, if not the world's, economy ... and the NYTimes, who were some of the biggest Bush bashers during the 9-11 Commission investigation, thought it is not front page worthy.
The NYTimes, as well as the MSM, is practicing subliminal messaging.
"Not all plots are the same ... The plotters had yet to lay out plans. They had no financing. Nor did they have any explosives. It is with all that in mind, that the editors in charge this weekend did not put this story on the front page."
Let's see ... A few hours flight training, a few plane tickets, a couple box cutters and four passenger jets would fall under the NYTimes' reasoning ...
If yunz in New York feel the earth quaking under your feet it's just the NYTimes founding fathers spinning in their graves ... along with those who were murdered in the towers and planes on 9-11-01.
Let's see... A few hours flig
June 6, 2007 - 15:29 ET by mulerider24Let's see... A few hours flight training, a few plan tickets, a couple box cutters and four passenger jets would fall under the NYTimes' reasoning...
Couldn't agree more, drillanwr. This speaks directly to the reason why NB exists in the first place - MSM's invertebrates and their ever-changing "justification" of what is and is not news worthy.
NOTE TO NOEL:This story was o
June 6, 2007 - 16:12 ET by LeonNOTE TO NOEL:
This story was on the front page. I saw it with my own two eyes. Are you sure you (& Bill O'Reilly) were reading the Sunday paper?
Leon
June 6, 2007 - 16:25 ET by Noel SheppardLeon,
So, what you're saying is that the national editor of the NY Times is wrong about this, and you're right? Are you serious, or so suffering from BDS that you're now blind as well as addle?
Forgive me, Leon, but please check the link provided here: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/nyregion/03plot.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
What you will see is that this article was on the front page of the NY/Metro section, not the main section. In fact, it wasn't even considered important enough to be in the main section. What you saw on the front page was a teaser headline directing you to the NY/Metro section to read the article. That is not the same as the article being on the front page, a fact that virtuallly everyone in America -- including the editors of the paper in question -- seems to accept.
With that in mind, you should ask yourself a serious question: as even the editors agree that this article wasn't on the front page, what is it that's preventing you from seeing the truth?
In reality, a little introspection on your part concerning this matter might end up opening your eyes to a lot of truths you are conveniently missing to protect your dogma.
Good luck. ns
noel ... can I use that last stmt
June 6, 2007 - 16:29 ET by LionKing"In reality, a little introspection on your part concerning this matter
might end up opening your eyes to a lot of truths you are conveniently
missing to protect your dogma."
Noel, I really like that. After the libs get done deciphering what it means via a dictionary, they might just SHUT UP !!! ;-)
LK
June 6, 2007 - 16:46 ET by Noel SheppardLK,
Not a chance, because the dictionary might help them decipher the translation, but not the meaning. For instance, have you ever met a liberal who agreed that his positions were often a function of blindly defending and protecting his dogma? Never going to happen, right?
Yet, an intelligent, self-actualized conservative understands that some of his positions are indeed dug in and self-fulfilling. Agreed? ns
noel...wise one
June 6, 2007 - 16:51 ET by LionKingNoel, agreed. You indeed are wise.
Can we call you YODA so we do not confuse you with your alter ego, LEON? ;-)
Little ol' Yoda who?
June 6, 2007 - 16:56 ET by Cool ArrowOh, that Yoda
instead of pirates day...we need a YODA day
June 6, 2007 - 16:59 ET by LionKingResident YODA (that's you Noel)...you should declare a post like YODA day...what a trip !!!
hmmm, interesting concept t
June 6, 2007 - 17:02 ET by MightyMouthhmmm, interesting concept is that, hmmm.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Yet, an intelligent, self-act
June 6, 2007 - 17:06 ET by LeonYet, an intelligent, self-actualized conservative understands that some of his positions are indeed dug in and self-fulfilling
Now if only we could get some of them to join this site.
too ignorant
June 6, 2007 - 17:11 ET by LionKingToo ignorant to realize it. Hard slap to the face from a strong dose of the truth.
"Palindromically" speaking, i
June 6, 2007 - 16:30 ET by Uncle John"Palindromically" speaking, is it possible that "Leon" is some kind of extremely distorted mirror image of "Noel"? Hmmm.
His alter ego ???
June 6, 2007 - 16:35 ET by LionKingDoes that mean he is arguing with his alter ego?
[Note: For libs ...LEON is spelled L-E-O-N while NOEL is spelled N-O-E-L...notice that the letters are reversed in their spelling.]
Jim Quinn always said that li
June 6, 2007 - 21:06 ET by Roger the ShrubberUncle John
June 6, 2007 - 16:41 ET by Noel SheppardUJ,
Extremely distorted? To be this consistently errant would almost require a diametric negative image of me, wouldn't you agree? :-) ns
if it's true
June 6, 2007 - 16:44 ET by tumbler"Hmm, It's a mirror-image of me, reflected Tom."
Yes, almost like one of those
June 6, 2007 - 16:44 ET by Uncle JohnYes, almost like one of those Star Trek alternate universe situations. Or like you're the matter and he's the anti-matter. Hope you guys never end up in the same room together...
Or for some of our older read
June 6, 2007 - 17:52 ET by Del DolemonteOr for some of our older readers, imagine "Bizarro World" from the old "Superman" comics. It was later the central plot in a "Seinfeld" episode.
I guess I'm not seeing what's
June 6, 2007 - 16:50 ET by LeonI guess I'm not seeing what's so wrong with putting a story specific to NY/Metro area in the NY Metro section, expecially after it was prominently indicated on the FRONT PAGE
As for the Washington Times/LA Times, this story wouldn't make much sense in their METRO sections now would it?
I guess I'm not seeing what's
June 6, 2007 - 16:50 ET by Leondouble, sorry.
Nope Noel. I'm looking at i
June 6, 2007 - 16:44 ET by LeonNope Noel. I'm looking at it Right now. It's on the front page of the main section of the entire NYT.
See for yourself if you don't believe me. Because what I see is a headline and a paragraph of text. At the end of the text it says story continued in NY/Metro section WHICH WOULD MAKE SENSE CONSIDERING THIS HAPPEN IN THE NY/METROPOLITAN AREA. right?
(link)
Leon
June 6, 2007 - 16:52 ET by Noel SheppardLeon,
Take a look at my article, and you'll see that I referred to the Think Progress piece. That there is a teaser, it's not an article. And, again, this is a fact that the NYT editors admit. So, why can't you?
Don't buy into this Netroots stupidity, Leon. Trust me. You're being led astray on this issue. A teaser is different from an article, and anybody that has studied journalism either formally or informally knows this.
Think about it, Leon. If TP was correct, wouldn't the Time's national editor have pointed that out to the folks that sent her letters rather than explaining why the article wasn't on the front page? ns
Noel,Oh no I'm not buying int
June 6, 2007 - 16:58 ET by LeonNoel,
Oh no I'm not buying into the netroots stupidity, I'm simply pointing out that it is actually on the front page, despite your designation as 'teaser' status, it is there. I never said it was a full article. I understand the difference between a paragraph and a full article. (forget netroots, I just googled picture of NYT front page, and the digg link is what came up)
The difference between you and I however, is that I think what the NYT did was proper coverage considering their geography and the geography of the incident. Why would the NYT cover this story in their national news section? This is NY/METRO specific story. I find their placement, as such, to be entirely appropriate. For those in NYC, this is not a national story, this is a METROPOLITAN story. I'm not sure why this is wrong in your mind.
Really...was the 1993 WTC bombing buried
June 6, 2007 - 17:02 ET by LionKingLeon, was the 1993 WTC bombing buried in the metro section?
I have no idea. Let me go hi
June 6, 2007 - 17:06 ET by LeonI have no idea. Let me go hit the microfiche and i'll get back to you.
Keep going Leon. I think you
June 6, 2007 - 17:33 ET by JimboKeep going Leon. I think you might have Noel ready to admit he’s wrong. Don’t give up.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Take it away, Leon, take it a
June 6, 2007 - 17:35 ET by Del DolemonteTake it away, Leon, take it away! While you're researching that NY Times microfiche, be sure to go back two or three decades, to see how the NY Times front pages covered terrorism when they were still a relevant news source. Hint: they always called the bad guys "terrorists", a word they refuse to use any more.
Update:
OK, I just checked my coffee table book of NY Times front pages from 1920 until 1995. The February 27, 1993 NY Times front page is almost completely taken up with the WTC bombing. I would guess that 7/8 of the entire front page is covered by the three huge stories...
HUGE headline:
BLAST HITS TRADE CENTER, BOMB SUSPECTED;
5 KILLED, THOUSANDS FLEE SMOKE IN TOWERS
Below this is a huge diagram of the WTC towers, showing the basement.
The headlines for the other two stories that day on the front page about the bombing:
"First, Darkness, Then Came The Smoke"
"Manhattan IS Held In The Grip Of Traffic Snarls and Anxiety"
And what was the only other Page 1 story in the NYT that day? It was about Clinton, of course!
what??? ... that should have been in the metro section
June 6, 2007 - 17:59 ET by LionKingHey Leon?...Why wasn't that in the metro section?
A terror plot not a national
June 6, 2007 - 17:39 ET by Clear thinkerA terror plot not a national story? What planet are you from?
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Clear this is Leon we are tal
June 6, 2007 - 17:45 ET by JimboClear this is Leon we are talking about. He's from the planet where chickens have no right wings... the streets in his town only have left turns (which explains his circular logic)... and men have only a left testicle.... with regard to Leon in that case, unfortunately he got shorted.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
I'm feeling sorry for Leons p
June 6, 2007 - 17:48 ET by Clear thinkerI'm feeling sorry for Leons parents.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Hell - I'd be pissed too if m
June 6, 2007 - 17:51 ET by JimboHell - I'd be pissed too if my 30 year old kid was living in my basement!
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Rent free too! The liberal M
June 6, 2007 - 17:53 ET by Clear thinkerRent free too!
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Duplicate
June 6, 2007 - 17:51 ET by JimboDuplicate
Leon
June 6, 2007 - 18:04 ET by Noel SheppardLeon,
Then, in your view, only national news should be in the main section? So, what's going on let's say in Israel unless we are directly involved should be in the "World" section? And, if the Pentagon hadn't have been hit on 9/11, and there was no Flight 93, those attacks should have been covered in the NY/Metro section?
What makes you think that the front page of the NYT is dedicated exclusively to national news. It's not. Today's front page included an article about LeBron James, and a piece about Basque separatists in Spain. Not national news, correct?
Moreover, there's a reason why Rudy is considered the Nation's Mayor, because to a very large extent, NYC represents America. When you attack that city, Leon, you're attacking the entire country, as it is considered the seat of our entire capitalist system. An attack on that city is virtually as important to all Americans as to those that live there. As such, this event was large enough to be a front-page article, likely the lead story, and not just a teaser. In fact, all three network evening news programs lead with this story!
Finally, LexisNexis also claims the article was on page 37. But, I'm sure they're wrong, too. ns
Stop making Leo's brain hurt,
June 6, 2007 - 21:04 ET by Roger the ShrubberYou're going to make his head explode, like Landru in "The Return of the Archons"...
I think what the NYT did was
June 6, 2007 - 23:35 ET by thefightinggopI think what the NYT did was proper coverage considering their geography...Why would the NYT cover this story in their national news section? This is NY/METRO specific story.
Leon,
Did 9-11 ever make the NYT's front page?
thefightinggop.org
IF the story HAD been on the
June 6, 2007 - 16:31 ET by drillanwrIF the story HAD been on the front page of the NYTimes on Sunday ... Then why the heck did the NYTimes feel the need to explain why it wasn't ... ?
Hey, I'm just sayin' ...
At lea