Proving that few people in the entertainment industry can tell the difference between reality and fantasy and in a perfect example of why people who write about entertainment should stay away from the topic of politics, The New York Times today has let lose one of the silliest, most confused political "editorials" yet published about Senator Fred Thompson's possible run for the White House. Fitting the he's-only-an-actor mode of considering his potential candidacy, TV writer Alessandra Stanley compounds a prosaic dismissal of the man with a complete inability to keep straight in her head which Fred Thompson she is talking about; the REAL Senator from Tennessee or the character he plays on a popular TV show.
Let's just say that sagacity and trenchant analysis is not in the offing in Stanley's "In Casting for President, Will Actor Rate a Callback?", where this TV writer jarringly fades from real life Thompson to the character he plays on TV's "Law and Order" repeatedly confusing the "lives" of the two then making assessments based thereupon that seem to come out of thin air... or the rarefied air in Stanley's mind, in any case.
Naturally, it all starts with a shot at Ronald Reagan as Stanley recounts the oft repeated Jack Warner comment when Reagan announced his run for Governor of California in 1966. “Jimmy Stewart for governor,” he said. “Ronald Reagan for best friend.”
After brief bios of the real Senator and his TV character, Stanley begins an attempt at political analysis that lands with a thud.
"Maybe it’s only fair that Mr. Thompson rides on the coattails of a fictional prosecutor...", she says of a possible Thompson candidacy. What she bases this on is anyone's guess for Senator Thompson has made no such effort to equate his candidacy to his TV role and few supporters have clamored to vote for "DA Arthur Branch" to date.
Stanley next shows that she seriously misunderstands what it is that makes the initial, high money contributors to any candidate decide to flock to that candidate's banner.
Mr. Thompson’s fame as an actor -- and the popularity of the character he has played since he left the Senate in 2002 -- could compensate for his late entry into the money-raising race. But he won’t necessarily persuade voters that he should be in the Oval Office.
Now, it might be true that small donations might come from people who just like Thompson because of the TV character he plays, but high money contributors want and expect far more from a candidate than just a part-time TV gig. Ronald Reagan spent 20 years gearing up his run for the presidency, for instance, and spent many, many years garnering a contributor base all of whom gave to his campaign because of his ideas and abilities, not because they liked watching TVs "Wagon Train".
Amazingly, Stanley goes on to doubt that Americans will vote for Thompson because he had the temerity to leave the TV show on which he played a part in preparation to start his campaign for the Oval Office. She scoffs that Americans won't vote for him because Thompson has left the show when it is "struggling to survive." Here Stanley seems to be claiming that Thompson is some sort of traitor to the flailing TV show by leaving it at a time when the producers might need him and that this move might make people doubt his character.
Americans want their presidents to be loyal and steadfast. This week, Mr. Thompson said he asked Mr. Wolf to release him from his “Law & Order” contract — at a time when the 17-year-old series is struggling to survive. (Earlier this month, NBC came close to canceling it.)
Stanley imagines that Thompson is showing this lack of "loyalty" because he has left the show and that this will affect how people view him as a candidate. How Stanley imagines Americans will equate the TV show's troubles with a Thompson departure is anyone's guess. Few people follow the ins and outs of the behind the scenes machinations of the TV industry and those who do would blame the show's producers, writers and directors instead of Fred Thompson.
Her next sentence is telling, showing she cannot tell Thompson from the character Arthur Branch.
Women may harbor doubts about his character’s character. Arthur has a weakness for the young, tall, gorgeous prosecutors in his office and for mentoring them through their cases.
Huh? Are women too stupid to tell the difference between a TV character and a real man, Mz. Stanley?
She must think so.
Stanley next equates Thompson's character to former Reagan man Howard Baker's without much success. Stanley characterizes both Thompson and Baker as low-level bureaucrats and staff members. Perhaps the real reason she does so, though, is because, as Stanley recounts, Baker launched a failed bid for the presidency in 1980 and it seems that she wishes the same for Thompson. Her reasoning for likening the two is quixotic at best.
She also doubts Thompson's suitability to take the "leading man" role of the Presidency because he has had "supporting roles" on TV and in the movies as if those roles on film fully explain all we need to know about the man to rate his capacity to be president. Obviously Stanley thinks that we should rate our candidates by the roles a Hollywood casting director doles out to them.
Mr. Thompson may see himself as a commander in chief, but Hollywood has preferred to cast him as a senior White House aide or adviser. He played a White House chief of staff in the 1993 film “In the Line of Fire,” and the director of central intelligence in the 1987 thriller “No Way Out.” He wasn’t picked to play a president until 2005, in the HBO film “Last Best Chance,” which was more of a public-service film made with support from the Nuclear Threat Initiative and other foundations.
Wait.... didn't HBO just cast Fred Thompson as President Grant in the TV film "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" as well?
Anyway, if it's possible, Stanley's analysis gets even more confused as she indiscriminately interweaves Thompson's real life with that of the character he plays on "Law and Order." The crowning piece of absurdity in her piece is the last two paragraphs.
Once candidates declare, their pasts are scoured for personal, often embarrassing details. Mr. Thompson has not only his own bachelor days in Washington; voters may also hold him accountable for Arthur’s past.
That stately, Southern gentleman has a few peccadilloes of his own. On one episode, he confided to Jack that he once dressed up in a clown suit to serenade a girl who loved opera with snatches from Pagliacci. “She laughed, then she slammed the door in my face,” Arthur says ruefully. “My point is, guys do goofy things for girls whether they want them to or not.”
So, because a TV character tells a story where he once dressed up as a clown to impress a lady we are to somehow hold that against a real man running for office?
Shouldn't it be remembered that the man who won the Cold War, the man who helped spur the tearing down of the Berlin Wall, and the man responsible for the longest peace time economic boom in American history once played second fiddle to a monkey in a movie? Did THAT little bit of celluloid casting eliminate Ronald Reagan from being one of the most celebrated and able American presidents in our history?
Obviously film roles do not give us a full assessment of a man, not that Alessandra Stanley would know. For that matter, not that she would know much about politics, either.
I encourage Alessandra Stanley to stick to TV and the fantasy land it creates. Reality does not suit her at all. I'd also urge The New York Times to have better sense than to allow someone of Stanley's caliber to write so far out of her depth.
It really was cringeworthy and embarrassing to read.


















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"Confusing TV With Rea
June 2, 2007 - 07:06 ET by Jerry"Confusing TV With Reality.."
This should not come as a surprise, TV is their "reality".
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Thompson wins, the libs buy hundreds of L&O dvds
June 2, 2007 - 13:01 ET by SportPoliticsHere's how it goes:
Thompson wins, the libs buy hundreds of L&O dvds, and after anything is said or done or comes up, they rabibly gaggle through hundreds of episodes to determine Thompson's psychological profile and mindset, and then report what he will do based upon their school of journalism research. They dial 1-800-loon/ JasonC and get his take on how "Arthur" exploited and abused women and used them as sexual tools and pawns in L&O, then they claim the only reason he ever survived in that role is he was "almost too good at it", appeared to have a natural ability, especially in the darkest moments of the series.
The other lefty shrieking morons in the series can tell a thousand set backdrop "tales" (I'm sure they're/ Richard Belkin etc./ very busy right now) -
At the WHpress conferences, Helen's new protoge can cite Yr4 episode15 and ask if Thompson agrees with himself, or will do something else, thereby flip-flopping. The room won't fill with laughter.
The msm will buy musical score sound snippets, and cue the audience about the dark horrors of his like Arthurian/Bush-like decisions, based upon the musical sound snippet. When in doubt, compare him to one of the series murderous criminals he helped put behind bars and ask why he is still POTUS.
Yes, I can see it all now. The dems will be in a 4 year fantasy world. It will be "lib code" to cite "yr7 ep 22" and giggle knowingly on the blogs, in order to tip the latest fake scandal attack.
Oh joy.
Oh yea. Kinda like Clinton's
June 2, 2007 - 07:26 ET by mytwocentsOh yea. Kinda like Clinton's soap-opera-like trysts with Monica Lewinsky.
That piece is so jaw-droppi
June 2, 2007 - 07:34 ET by motherbeltThat piece is so stupid that I couldn't even read it to the end. It simply boggles the mind that a supposedly educated writer could so easily slip back and forth between reality and fantasy, and think it all makes sense.
Amazing, isn't it?
June 2, 2007 - 07:42 ET by Warner Todd HustonAmazing, isn't it?
“Once candidates declare, t
June 2, 2007 - 07:47 ET by KC Mulville“Once candidates declare, their pasts are scoured for personal, often embarrassing details. Mr. Thompson has not only his own bachelor days in Washington; voters may also hold him accountable for Arthur’s past.”
Have you ever sat in a meeting where one of the participants says something so off the wall that you can’t help yourself … you just turn and stare? (God knows I’ve been in enough of those.) This gave me a flashback. This TV writer is actually warning (i.e., advocating) that voters hold Fred Thompson “accountable” for his TV character’s past. She wants us to confuse TV with reality. Have writers at major newspapers become so desperate that they advocate fantasy, just to add to the liberal animus and background noise against conservatism? Has it come to this?
"...Has it come to this?
June 2, 2007 - 08:18 ET by Ten7s"...Has it come to this?"
This is only the beginning. Remember, the Liberals/MSM virtually wrecked Sen. Allen's candidacy by unfairly implying intolerance. I think that the Liberals clearly intend to fully and exaustively use any and all devious means to sabotage Sen. Thompson's chances. That includes using anything he's ever said as an actor "in character" to tar him with their multicultural brush.
I know just what you mean,
June 2, 2007 - 09:41 ET by motherbeltKC, I know just what you mean, it's jaw-dropping. Don't you just want to go and give them a knuckle-rap on the head and say, "Hello??? McFly????" LOL
And this "reporterette" says stuff like this, supposedly with a straight face.
Sheesh.
Yeah, it's like something Mic
June 2, 2007 - 09:55 ET by KC MulvilleYeah, it's like something Michael Scott would say from The Office. The other characters just look knowingly into the camera. Please God, don't ask me to take this seriously ...
perpetual adolescence
June 2, 2007 - 08:18 ET by bulbasaurWhen you understand that the essence of modern liberalism is perpetual adolescence, you can appreciate how it annoys them that a grown up has entered the room.
We've all seen the little video-spanking Fred gave to Michael Moore about Michaels dalliance with Castro. This was a lib's worst nightmare come true, because despite their protestation to the contrary, the last thing leftist media wants is a republican candidate with - dare I repeat the cliche - gravitas.
This surreal NYT piece merely shows that leftists rightly intuit trouble on their horizon - a voice that is capable of calling them on the carpet, and demanding that they leave their childhoods behind, and this upsets them greatly.
George Bush they could handle with at least some measure of aplomb. But Fred has harshed their buzz.
hit head with nail
June 2, 2007 - 08:18 ET by acumenAre women too stupid to tell the difference between a TV character and a real man, Mz. Stanley?
It appears from the article at least one woman is.....
True. Soooo lamentably true.
June 2, 2007 - 08:40 ET by Warner Todd HustonTrue. Soooo lamentably true.
If this disjointed load of
June 2, 2007 - 09:58 ET by Dave RIf this disjointed load of psychobabbel is the best attack the NYT can lauch against Fred Thompson, then I'd say Fred is in pretty good shape.
Question: Does the NYT drug-test its employees?
This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.-Neal Boortz
NYT Stanley on Fred Thompson
June 2, 2007 - 10:27 ET by tomchrisHello Newsbusters. Long time lurker, first time writer.
Rush Limbaugh recently joked that reading the New York Times these days is like reading Mad Magazine since the once great paper's lefty spin is now so over the top that it's practically parody. Alessandra Stanley, who is as much as a "tv critic" as Paul Krugman is an "economist," is consistantly a perfect example of this. For me, her "entertainment" pieces read like the sort of naive, factually sloppy work that would usually past muster at a college newspaper, but the Times? Yesterday's Times never, today's Times always.
tomchris--
June 2, 2007 - 12:01 ET by misterbilltomchris-- If you took out their great crosswords, it would not even qualify as good toilet paper.
Does that mean it wouldn't
June 2, 2007 - 12:31 ET by motherbeltDoes that mean it wouldn't qualify as a tree-saving "offset"?
But NYT news article on Thompson shows conservative bias
June 2, 2007 - 11:34 ET by americandudeThe op-ed you reference is one person's opinion, not an
official NYT editorial. What is more disturbing and likely to carry more weight
is the front page article on Thompson in the NYT from the day before which
shows an obvious conservative bias cloaked as a news story:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/31/us/politics/31thompson.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print
The gist of this article is Fred Thompson is great. Everyone
other candidate is afraid of him. He is Reaganesque. The only bad thing is he
has not raised enough money yet. But, my favorite part is this:
"The intense interest in Mr. Thompson’s trajectory
reflected concern in the rival Republican camps about his possible appeal
across the South, among conservative and evangelical voters, who might be
attracted to his mainstream conservative stances, like opposition to abortion
and strong support for states’ rights."
They don't mention that he divorced his wife of 25 years,
and then became a Washington playboy, boasting about all of the girlfriends he
had. He said something to the effect at that time "I can't stop chasing
women and they can't stop chasing me". Then, he married someone half his
age who is younger than his daughter.
Also I love this part about his resume:
"Mr. Thompson, who was Republican counsel to the
Watergate committee, served in the Senate for eight years before retiring in
2002..."
Oops - they forgot to mention all of the years he spent as a
K street lobbyist (1975 to 1992). Some of his clients included Westinghouse and
GE.
He was also a draft dodger during the Vietnam era - don't
know much about that but maybe some reporter should ask...
If we are calling him President Thompson two years
from now, we can look back to this watershed moment when the conservative/corporate media held a coming out party for him and helped to mold voter opinion.
Fred Thompson was not a draft
June 2, 2007 - 11:52 ET by NL207Fred Thompson was not a draft dodger. He was born in 1942 and was 19 in 1961, the year folks were usually drafted. By the time significant inductions began for Vietnam in 1965, he was already 23, sub-prime material. The war peaked in 1968, Thompson was 27. 26 is the oldest age subject to Selective Service. He was not ever called by Selective Service. He did not ever refuse to report.
Bill Clinton is a draft dodger. He was both called for duty by Selective Service and refused to report. These two events need to occur before anyone an be classified as a draft dodger.
Knowledge and thought should occur before you post.
Yeah NL. According to the dud
June 2, 2007 - 13:04 ET by QueenMumYeah NL. According to the dude's criteria, Barrack Obama was also a Vietnam draft dodger. LOL
Besides, what does that have to do with the price of cheese?
I would also like to flesh out the following:
"They don't mention that he divorced his wife of 25 years,
and then became a Washington playboy, boasting about all of the girlfriends he
had. He said something to the effect at that time "I can't stop chasing
women and they can't stop chasing me". Then, he married someone half his
age who is younger than his daughter."
Thompson married his first wife when she got pregnant while they were still in high school. In other words, his daughter may well be older than his current wife. But it's because she was born while Thompson was in his late teens. A twenty-five year marriage under those circumstances is pretty remarkable. His current wife is not half his age. She is 24 years younger. But she's a very accomplished woman in her own right. Thompson's marriage to his current wife came many years after his divorce from his first wife.
As far as the Washington "playboy" description, I must request something more in the way of documentation then "something to the effect". For that matter, if he was not a married man, what's wrong with him seeing a lot of different women?
All in all, Ronald Reagan's marital past didn't seem to have much of a negative impact on his abilities to serve as the POTUS. And both John Kennedy and William J. Clinton managed to garner praise for their service despite their philandering.
We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat. - Queen Victoria
You want an in depth, highly
June 2, 2007 - 12:18 ET by stratmanYou want an in depth, highly detailed and critical article on a man who has yet to declare his candidacy for the presidency?
Exactly what planet are you from? Even the NY Times, which has already been critical of Thompson, knows not to do a complete hatchet job on a guy until after his declaration when he's fair game.
Besides, the article's intent was to give the Republican viewpoint, as demonstrated in the first sentence: "Former Senator Fred D. Thompson of Tennessee has taken new steps that make it clear that he is likely to run for the White House, potentially shaking up a field of candidates that has failed to strike a chord with the Republican base." It's a setup for the whole article, like how she was probably taught in English or jounalism class. The rest of the article attemps to flesh out how Thompson would/does affect the other candidates according to pundits and the party base.
The Kate Phillips article actually stuck pretty close to the vest, using fact and direct quotations, without injecting her personal opinion. She let the quoted individuals in the story do the critiquing.
If your looking for a hard hitting story on Fred by the NYT, just give it a while. Shortly after Fred enters the race and appears to be making ground towards becoming the front runner, the NYT will pounce with all the bias and venom you so desire.
One more thing, the NYT lists Fred as "Attorney/lobbyist, private practice, 1974-1994", while you quote 1975-1992. Which one is it? Are you wrong, the NYT wrong or are both of you wrong? Just want the facts reported correctly.
Americantroll, how interestin
June 2, 2007 - 12:26 ET by MikeBAmericantroll, how interesting: your "favorite part" is a paragraph that simply, and without editorial content, reports a fact. Are rival Republican cadidates concerned that Thompson will appeal to conservative and evangelical voters? Yes, they are concerned. They are competing with Thompson for those same voters. I am surprised that the al_NYT would use the phrase "mainstream conservative stances", as until now, all conservative stances were protrayed in the pages of the Times as extreme right wing.
Why do you cavil at Thompson's divorcing his wife of 25 years, and apparently have no problem with Billy Jeff's committing of adultery, even within the Oval Office? I suppose it is just fine for Comrade Bubba to commit multiple sexual assaults and rapes, because it is only sex and none of our business. For that matter, why do you have a problem with Thompson getting divorced at all? If I am not mistaken, approximately half of all marriages in America end in divorce. Are all of these divorced people evil and unqualified for office? Are you willing to declare Ted Kennedy unfit for office because he has been divorced? I am willing to declare Kennedy unfit for office because he is a drunken, philandering, girl-friend killing piece of slime, not because he got a divorce.
You need to think your positions through more thoroughly so you don't make a fool of yourself
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
He was also a draft dodger
June 2, 2007 - 12:57 ET by Jack BauerWell if true, that should get him the lib***l vote if nothing else. (Lib***ls lurve DDs.)
Remind me, where did Hillary and Bill Clinton serve again -- oh yeah...
No surprise there, folks. A l
June 2, 2007 - 12:22 ET by Dad GummitNo surprise there, folks. A liberal woman I worked with during the 2000 election once said she wished Martin Sheen really would run for POTUS, because he was so good on TV. Also, TV doctors from Robert Young to George Clooney were constantly being asked for medical advice out in public. Back in the 70's, the Dallas police department logged a LOT of calls from people (liberals, of course) claiming they knew who shot JR. That's why movie stars who play the roles of intellectual thinkers have so much credibility with the liberal population.
"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."
Sorry, I should correct that
June 2, 2007 - 12:24 ET by Dad GummitSorry, I should correct that to say "a liberal woman who was on the payroll where I work" ...
No correction needed - I woul
June 2, 2007 - 21:35 ET by ReconNo correction needed - I would have been surprised if it was any other way.
MSM
June 2, 2007 - 14:01 ET by JJFlashThis should suprise no one. The MSM believes they have all the answers and the only way they can comunicate to the rest of us is to "teach" us. They talk down to Average America on a daily basis. How would we ever know what to wear, how to vote, what is ok to think or say without their assistance? These people need a reality check. Join the rest of us in the real world and find out what really matters to real Americans.... but then that would actually require some research and fact checking. I guess that's out of the question.
Warner, there is a body of
June 2, 2007 - 15:02 ET by RW_the originalWarner, there is a body of voters stupid enough to confuse an actor and a role. It's just that none of them would ever vote for a Republican anyway. Perhaps Stanley really believes everyone falls into her group.
WTH: "I encourage Alessa
June 3, 2007 - 23:44 ET by GalvanicWTH: "I encourage Alessandra Stanley to stick to TV and the fantasy land it creates. Reality does not suit her at all. I'd also urge The New York Times to have better sense than to allow someone of Stanley's caliber to write so far out of her depth. It really was cringeworthy and embarrassing to read."
I totally agree, WTH. In Stanley's case, I think she's beyond hope. But that deeper, more tragic story here is that the once highly regarded NY Times has once again published absurd analysis as journalism. You're right; why didn't the editor tell Stanley that this was ridiculous? Why would they publish this article?
I can only conclude that the NYT is beyond the point of no return as well.