Media Totally Ignore Al Qaeda Torture Manual

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A headline at NewsBusters Thursday asked, “Will Media Report Al Qaeda Torture Manual With Same Zeal as Abu Ghraib?

The answer: No!

In fact, from what I can tell by looking at LexisNexis, Google News, and closed-captioning dumps, the only media outlet in the nation that covered this story was Fox News’ “Hannity & Colmes.”

This is despite the fact that the Drudge Report broke the story at 10:27AM eastern time Thursday.

What’s potentially even more shocking is that all three network evening news broadcasts began with reports out of Iraq. For instance, here’s how CBS’ Katie Couric began Thursday’s “Evening News” (from closed-captioning):

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The American public has never been more pessimistic about the war in Iraq than it is tonight. A CBS News/New York Times poll is just out, and 76% of respondents believe the war is going badly. That's the highest number since we started asking the question four years ago.

Couric and chief political correspondent Jeff Greenfield even did a segment intended to debunk the President’s contention that leaving Iraq will exacerbate terrorism, and result in them coming here. One analyst was quoted as having said “such a scenario is doubtful,” and another declared, ”It is a preposterous argument.”

Even more stunning, during this same report, Greenfield stated (from closed-captioning), “While there is widespread agreement most of the violence in Iraq is homegrown, many of the same analysts do believe the al Qaeda presence there does pose a threat to other nations in the region.”

Might have been a great time to address the revelations concerning this al Qaeda torture manual, wouldn’t you agree? Unfortunately, that’s not the way CBS saw it.

The same can be said of ABC’s “World News Tonight,” which also began with news out of Iraq, and the President’s press conference. But, nary a word about the al Qaeda torture manual.

And, though NBC’s “Nightly News” also began with Iraq and the President’s press conference, the revelations concerning al Qaeda having safe houses for torture weren’t considered important.

For its part, although this news came out late Thursday morning, with over thirteen hours left of airtime, CNN didn’t mention one word about this subject.

As for the print media, Glenn Reynolds this morning pointed out that “Silence is complicity,” while leading the reader to Don Surber’s piece on the subject which went much further in condemning the media boycott (emphasis added):

And yet such false stories as the “flushed Koran” got widespread play in the newspapers and on television.

We are hearing those awful “Sounds of Silence” that Simon and Garfunkel warned us about.

Whether intentional or not, the message is clear: The United States must be above even false reports of torture, while the enemy is allowed to promote eye removal, blowtorching skin and horrors I won’t go into.

The handbook shows that the enemy really is perverted and that its “cause” has less to do with global politics or any religion; they are sickos who like to torture people.

As much as I admire and respect John McCain’s war service, he is wrong when he says our interrogation methods encourage the enemy to torture our people. The enemy was torturing and beheading people well before 9/11.

That this does not disturb so many newspaper editors is in itself disturbing.

Surber pointed out earlier in his piece that this story didn’t make the front-pages of the New York Times, USA Today, or the Washington Post this morning. From what I can tell, other than a brief blurb at USA Today’s blog “On Deadline,” these three outlets completely ignored the story.

In fact, according to a Google News search, no major American news outlet – apart from Fox News affiliated websites and "Hannity & Colmes" – bothered to report this story at all.

I guess we got our answer concerning whether this revelation would be covered with the same zeal as Abu Ghraib in 2004.

*****Critical Update and Correction: CNN's "The Situation Room" actually broke this story on Wednesday during the 4PM EST installment. Wolf Blitzer gave a little preview of what would follow in the coming hours:

Also, burning a clothing iron onto a victim's skin or squeezing a victim's head in a vise -- those graphic tactics are said to be among Al Qaeda's torture methods. We have some newly revealed information and images. We're going to share them with you.

More details were provided in the 5PM EST installment:

WOLF BLITZER, HOST: We begin with an exclusive report on torture training in Iraq. Horrific pictures discovered showing gruesome methods of torture. We have to warn you, these images you're about to see are extremely disturbing.

Let's go to CNN's Brian Todd.

He's joining us now -- Brian, where were these pictures found?

BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Wolf, they were found in an Al Qaeda safe House during recent raids in and around Baghdad. U.S. military officials say these images they just declassified show the true nature of what the Iraqi people are facing and they reinforce in the minds of military commanders why U.S. forces are there.

(BEGIN VIDEO TAPE) TODD (voice-over): torture at the hands of Al Qaeda -- victims suspended upside down and whipped, drilled through the hands, suspended from a ceiling and electrocuted.

U.S. military officials say these cartoons are part of an Al Qaeda training manual, complete with how to use a blowtorch on a victim's body.

These drawings, given to CNN by the U.S. military in Iraq, were found on a computer captured during recent raids of Al Qaeda safe houses.

MAJ. GEN. WILLIAM CALDWELL, MULTI-NATIONAL FORCE, IRAQ: They made it in a cartoon manner so that no matter what your literacy rate or what nationality you are, all you've got to do is look at this picture to understand how to conduct tortures of innocent people.

TODD: Methods like taking a hot iron to the skin and others too grotesque to show.

CALDWELL: This is the nature of the enemy that the Iraqi people are facing here in Iraq.

TODD: U.S. military officials say information from this raid led them to other safe houses, where they freed dozens of Iraqi kidnap victims.

CALDWELL: Which included a 13-year-old boy that literally had been tortured, electrocuted, whipped, beat by these Al Qaeda terrorists.

TODD: Pictures of scars on those victims tell only part of the story.

General William Caldwell says the boy suffered more gruesome injuries.

We asked General Caldwell, is this being done by Sunni Al Qaeda fighters against local Shias?

CALDWELL: This was Sunnis conducting it on Sunnis themselves, where they had brought in some of the population from that area.

TODD: Why?

Kelly McCann of Kroll Security Group, a former U.S. Special Forces officer, says it's mostly a matter of intimidation.

KELLY MCCANN, KROLL SECURITY GROUP: I think that people are afraid of physical pain to that degree. They're afraid of this being done to their husband, their uncle, their grandfather, their child. So, yes, not only to extract information but also to compel a local population to at least not help U.S. forces.

(END VIDEO TAPE) TODD: General Caldwell says Al Qaeda typically sends that message with the kidnap victims back to their families. He says some of the people that they freed told them they expected to be ransomed off back to their families -- Wolf.

BLITZER: You've been speaking, Brian, with U.S. officials and other experts.

What do they say to this question -- are these torture methods unique to Al Qaeda?

TODD: U.S. officials are being very cautious about that, saying only that they got them from an Al Qaeda safe house. They're going to try to give us more information on that in the coming days.

Kelly McCann says, however, that he recognizes some of those techniques from Saddam Hussein's Baathist regime; other techniques from as far back as the Vietnam era. So there could be maybe some borrowing going on.

BLITZER: Brian Todd with some exclusive reporting for us.

Brian, a horrific story, but important.

Thank you.

A similar report was filed during the 7PM EST installment. A LexisNexis search identified no other CNN reports on this issue in the days prior or subsequent.

To a certain extent, the fact that this was reported by CNN on Wednesday, including a confirming interview with Gen. Caldwell, presents even greater questions as to why no other media outlets chose to share this information.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.


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My heart is heavy, and I'm re

My heart is heavy, and I'm really starting to lose my grip here, guys.

We are being attacked by the most brutal and blindly hateful enemy in the history of mankind, and the majority of our media has such an irrational and vehement anger toward our President and our administration that they're fighting the terrorists battle for them, on our soil.

What can we do?  What should we do?  Anyway we could organize some sort of boycott of the MSM?  Seriously, I am having a hard time keeping myself together.  All I can think about is our soldiers being castrated, mutilated, dismembered, decapitated, and that many in this country can't even put that into perspective.  I feel sick to my stomach and I want to hit someone.  I'm not a hateful person who thinks that violence is the answer to everything, but at some point, we have to stand up and shout that we, as Americans, do not support the treasoners is this country, and we're going to do something about it.

If anyone has any ideas, please let me know.

Jpatch, this post is just dri

Jpatch, this post is just dripping in melodrama.  Are you really this scared everyday when you wake up?  Man, it must be draining. 

With your style of writing, I suggest you quit your current job immediately and become a made-for-tv movie writer for Lifetime, Television for Women.

Leon,Go play in the traffic

Leon,

Go play in the traffic.

This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.-Neal Boortz

Dave,Go find some creativity.

Dave,

Go find some creativity.

"Dave, Go find some cr

"Dave, Go find some creativity."

You mean like the creativity you used? Where in jpatch's post did he/she state he was scared?

leon--"Are you really..."

"Are you really this scared everyday when you wake up? "

I am only as frightened as the people who were in the twin towers.

Ad hominem time --you, sir are a fool.

That's strange that you have

That's strange that you have the same level of fear sitting peacefully in front of a computer as people that were surrounded by fire & mayhem in a building that was moments away from crashing to the earth.

You should probably learn to relax a little considering your current, comfy situation should in no way elicit the same fear as an actual terrorist attack.  You must be the guy that fox news shows the terror level for.  What is it today, Orange?  Red?  Yellow?  Do we even know what these colors mean?  LOL

You should probably learn t

You should probably learn to relax a little considering your current,
comfy situation should in no way elicit the same fear as an actual
terrorist attack.

Leon, you may not realize it, but you just nailed the reason most on the left do not comprehend the danger this country is currently in.

The GWOT has not affected you directly, therefore, in your mind, it really doesn't exist. I am sure those people in the WTC were comfortable, too. Right up until that first airliner impacted the building.

The day the Hitlerites marched into Paris, many Parisians sat in the cafe's along the boulevards, drinking their wine and chewing through their baugettes, looking on with indifference at the parade of Germans marching past. By the time what was happening finally sunk in, it was too late to do anything about it. Were it not for this country's intervention, the descendants of those same soldiers would most likely be marching along those same boulevards today.

How many cities will we lose before many of you on the left finally get it?

This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.-Neal Boortz

I have some ideas--but our comfort level will--

I have some ideas--but our comfort level will--have us backsliding in days. If your eye offends you --pluck it out--

1.if your local newspaper missreports--write them , cancel and tell them why. They are on the ropes now and need every subscriber. I NEVER turn on Couric, Williams, or (Icannot remember the other). I never watch network news except local news. I get most of my news here on the 'net.

2. Never watch network news--email the nets and let them know you do not and why.

3. Email your elected officials--we do not want ot stop free speech, but we can ask for lies to be punished. The Fourth Estate has a moral obligation to report the truth to us. What the heck--the other side is pushing the extremely unfair "Fairness Doctrine".

4. Before you stop watching network news--write down the sponsors of the shows--select a specific missreporting incident or the absence of reporting as in the case of the young couple in Knoxville, TN and blast the sponsors and threaten to stop using their products.

5. Check items from AP, UPI and other wire services--email them for gross misreporting.

e.g. Israel, Lebanon (fake videos) , etc.

Lastly, a comment--I do not like some (most) of the newscasters on Fox--but--I believe they are truthful. I have read many accusations that they are all conservatives. After watching for two years now--that is blatantly false. I can name two--there may be a couple more, but since I come to the web and read out here (National Review for one), I don't watch Fox that much. I admit to watching HNN (?)--to watch Glenn Beck. I have only seen Lou Dobbs a few times. I believe I am a Lou Dobbs conesrvative. Whatever that means--I say that because the few times I watched I agreed with everything he said. Then I read and heard that he is hardline. That's OK, I am sick of hearing the softies in America insisting on their freedoms while handicapping every law officer, Border Guard  and military person with PC rules. I have told this story twice before, I was in Heatrow airport many years ago. I had a mustache and I was quite tanned. I was--politely-- taken out of the group of my associates. I was "frisked". I was asked to remove my sports jacket. I received numerous apologies after this was over. I sadi, "That's alright fellows. Your actions make me feel that I will be very safe on the way home." Gee, did I give away my freedoms.

6. Live up to all the above for at least 2 months. You will find after that period of time, it is just a way of life for you.

Lastly, as an Ameican follow the actions of the title of a book by John Kasich--"Stand For Something".

Whoa dude, you sound like you

Whoa dude, you sound like you really are losing your grip! You need to tighten up bro! Hahahahahaha!

It's the so-called liberal media that breathlessly reported every wrinkle in Whitewater/Monica-gate for eight years, lapping up as gospel every new crazy allegation spewed by the right-wing hit squad. 

And it was the so-called liberal media that uncritically regurgitated every ounce of B.S. leaked to them by Ahmed Chalabi and Richard Perle in 02 and 03. How many times did Dick Cheney go on Meet the Press and quote the NY Times, which only reported what his minions leaked in the first place, and thus "prove" that even an "objective" newspaper had confirmed Saddam had WMD and links to al Qaeda?

If the media's cheerleading Bush & Co. as they blindly led the U.S. into bin Laden's trap (a disastrous war against a Muslim country that will sap our economic and military power like Afghanistan did to the USSR) is the treason you're referring to, then I'm all with you homie!

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

The Lib media covered up for

The Lib media covered up for all the Clintongates- that's what kept him in the White House and out of jail.

The Clintons began the WMD thing...(which Hussein had - at least enough to gas the Kurds)...U.N. 1441...ever hear of it?

The many many differences between the USSR's invasion of Afghanistan and what were doing now are, or should be, obvious...for one thing: we aren't attempting to take over...we're attempting to liberate people!  You can figure the rest out for yourself...or can you?

Ignorance has a well known Liberal bias. - Publius

jpatch,Don't feel that you

jpatch,

Don't feel that you are a lone voice in the wilderness out there.

It's even worse when you combine the attitudes of the dumbmASSes toward the GWOT as well as the hideous immigration "reform" bill that our so-called "conservative republicans" have produced in an orgy of vile fornication with the likes of Ted Kennedy and his ilk. You really have to wonder what type of country this will be twenty, hell, even ten years down the road.

Not since the behavior of the French in the early years of WW II have I seen a nation that appears to be as irrevocably hell-bent on committing national suicide as this nation seems to be today.

We don't have many wrong-turns left.

This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.-Neal Boortz

Come on Noel!  Did you reall

Come on Noel!  Did you really expect the MSM to show the American public this.  I mean we are talking about their freedom fighters that stand up to “our” terrorism in the country of Iraq?

But you know as well as I do that they will point to “our” torturing of prisoners as a cause for these manuals and chambers. 

No they don’t want to face a horrible truth Noel.  The fact that their heroes, the terrorist, are capable of such atrocities.  

The MSM's use of the term 'fr

The MSM's use of the term 'freedom fighters' to describe these terrorists is disrespectful to anyone that has ever fought for freedom. These terrorists are not fighting for freedom. They are fighting for world domination, they are fighting for slavery, they are fighting for control, they are fighting against anything that stands for freedom.

They want to torture and kill us. They want to torture and kill our sons and daughters. They are not fighting for freedom, they are fighting to destroy freedom.

"Believe what you want. You work your side of the street, and I'll work mine." --Frank Bullitt

What media outlet called al Q

What media outlet called al Qaeda "freedom fighters"?

Goodness gracious, you people will believe anything. I swear!

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

you are boring me--go away!

you are boring me--go away!

Where’s the coward that would not dare to fight for such a land?  And the parent that wouldn't be honored by the sacrifice?

Sir  Walter Scott & Noel Sheppard

Several, but start with Rosie

Several, but start with Rosie O'D.

Rosie O'D a media outlet!? Ha

Rosie O'D a media outlet!? Ha ha ha ha! You people are loony tunes. Thanks for that, BD. You just made my day.

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

Under the definition of MEDIA

Under the definition of MEDIA, it is apt.

Ignorance has a well known Li

Ignorance has a well known Liberal bias.

MGDL--I do not believe I am ---

MGDL--I do not believe I am ---overeacting when I say that the actions of the MSM show them to be as much the enemy as Al Qaeda, Almost every report hey publish is against America and in favor of the enemy.

Everything you said above is true. When will the liberal fools of the MSM realize this is a fight to the death? Maybe my outlook is different because I have lived through WW2, Korea, 'Nam ' Desert Storm and now Iraq. What a bunch of jerks. When the next plane crashes into a bulding or our offcails in DC satrt receiving anthrax envelopes , our water supply is poisoned, a suitcas e nuke goes off in one or more of our major cities, what will these amsters of the written word have to say?? I will make a guess--headline:

"Today we had two nuclear exposions in two major cities of America. Over three million people are dead or injured. If America had let these peaceful people alone, this would not have happened.."

At that time, I will go to my local gun store- buy a weapon and go visit them---if I am still alive.

Where’s the coward that would not dare to fight for such a land?  And the parent that wouldn't be honored by the sacrifice?

Sir  Walter Scott & Noel Sheppard

Exactly correct. If the words

Exactly correct. If the words 'al Qaida' were "U.S. Army" this would've been the story of the century.

It is mind boggling for me to see how the MSM can completely disregard this type of information and physical evidence, but completely exploit things like the 'Koran flushings.'

We are fighting a "sanitary" war against bloodthirsty barbarians that will stop at nothing...NOTHING to achieve their goal of submitting the entire world to a fascist Islamic Sharia law or death. Decapitation is horrific to us, to them it is glorious. Why so many people in the U.S. and around the world are afraid to confront this kind of evil is beyond my understanding. If we do nothing it will be at our very doorsteps within a generation. Just like Nazism, just like Bolshevism, just like the genocide happening in Africa. In fact, what is going on in Africa is only a prelude of what is to come if we don't stand up to this evil.

The world needs to pull their collective head out of the sand and fight. Do it for the children.

"Believe what you want. You work your side of the street, and I'll work mine." --Frank Bullitt

AGENDA! AGENDA! AGENDA!

AGENDA! AGENDA! AGENDA! check out this ignored story that made me gag. Dead white kids gets no play

Race shouldn't matter in news reporting, so why do I fell that if the 5 in this story were from, Oh I don't know, say Duke University it would be the leading story on every news cast in the nation. AGENDA!!!

The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.

This is old news.We know Al Q

This is old news.

We know Al Qaeda supports torture.  What's your point?

It should be pretty obvious, Leon, even for you

It should be pretty obvious, Leon, even for you.  Try real hard and maybe it'll come to you.

Leon

Leon,

Really? This is old news? Could you link us to some articles on it? Please? Pretty please? With globally warmed sugar on top?  :-)    ns

Noel, I'm sure I can find som

Noel, I'm sure I can find some given a minute or two.  I'll look in a moment.

Regardless, the overall point of my post is we already know, we get it, Al Qaeda is horrible.  Don't you remember so many Americans being appalled by our use of torture b/c they felt we shouldn't lower ourselves to the sick sick level of our enemies?

Remember that?

What's your definition of tor

What's your definition of torture Leon?  Do you believe the US military uses torture to obtain information from prisoners?

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07 

Not sure what this has to do

Not sure what this has to do with anything.

Surely not sure

....I'm sure I can find some given a minute or two.  I'll look in a moment.

(10 plus minutes later)  Yawn, need another minute or two Leon?  Or do you want to revise that "sure" part?

Acumen, thanks for stalking m

Acumen, thanks for stalking me and checking out my posting times.  Not sure about you, but I'm at work.  I can't simply drop everything I'm doing to search google for articles.  I write on here when I get a minute or two.

What a joke of a post you just wrote.

Stalking you. Ha, ha, man it

Stalking you. Ha, ha, man it just keeps getting better.  I didn't realize I was dealing with "somebody" here.  Regardless, didn't take long for you move on to 'poor Leon the victim' - what with your busy schedule and all.

Search all you want Leon.  You just ain't gonna' find a damn thing about what Noel is referencing.  If you are too busy then maybe you shouldn't make a bold statement that you CAN'T back up - not that we find that lame tact surprising....

Your adoring fan, Hugh

'tis true, " . .overall

'tis true, " . .overall point of my post is we already know, we get it, Al Qaeda is horrible . ."  ah, not so fast there sparky - if your statement were true, then why is the msm (Lsm) so afraid of mentioning this how-to book for terrorists? And who mentioned that we were doing the torture? The msm (Lsm) and the media, relying on "reports" from unattributed sources, and of acts that make most college hazing look death and destruction. (atomic wedgies or swirlies not-with-standing). You are right that the folks here geti it, unfortunately, the majority of demolib thinkers DON'T get it.

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

Noel,  Here are some article

Noel,  Here are some articles that refer to Al Qaeda's use of torture:

1)  Torture of their own recruits to keep them in the organization (link) - 2004
2)  Documents found detailing Al Qaeda's operations - including member's health benefits, vacation time, & the tasking of torture to Al Qaeda's Decision Executive Branch (Link) - 2006

That's what I've found so far.  Don't have time to search anymore, but those two alone are enough to show this is old news.  We knew Al Qaeda tortures, we know they do horrible things.  That's why we call them terrorists.  It's not just a clever name.

That's not the point of the a

That's not the point of the article. 

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07 

Yes it is.  Newsbusters is c

Yes it is.  Newsbusters is claiming that this information is a new revelation, hence the reason it should be covered with vigor.

But, it's not new.  It's old.  Thus rendering the lack of media hype understandable.

Lame defense Leon

Ha, ha.  Arab news about al qaeda torturing their own recruits that can't hang and a blog site that only mentions torture here; B- Imprisonment & torture.  Yeah, that's proof that the "news" is covering what Noel is refencing.  Ha, ha

Thanks for the belly laugh Leon.  All over the news huh?  Ha, ha.  Yeah that will work Leon. Give it up Bro, you're torturing me with your lame defense.....

No it simply proves that the

No it simply proves that the world has known for some time that Al Qaeda tortures.

It proves my initial point 100%. 

Nice Try Leon

Er, I thought Noel's article was about an al qaeda torture manual and the demedia failure to report about the torture manual.

Maybe you should reread Noel's post and get back to us....

Your adoring fan, Hugh

Yeah I know.   What's your

Yeah I know.   What's your point? 

The question regards TREATMEN

The question regards TREATMENT by the press.

The New York Times plastered 42 consecutive Front Pages with Abu Ghraib.

As far as I know, this did not make the front page on any major newspaper let alone 42 consecutively.

Obviously depicts the peculiar self loathing trait of the MSM.

Bad examples. They are not ma

Bad examples. They are not mainstream media. try to find one of those.

Oh and Noel, one other thing.

Oh and Noel, one other thing.  This story is all over the news.  It has not been ignored. 

Okay, I'd like to see citatio

Okay, I'd like to see citations for that--other than Fox.

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07 

Go say that to the families o

Go say that to the families of the three soldiers that were kidnapped by the terrorists. 

"Believe what you want. You work your side of the street, and I'll work mine." --Frank Bullitt

Why?  We don't even know if

Why?  We don't even know if they were kidnapped by Al Qaeda.

Furthermore, we already know that the insurgents and Al Qaeda torture from the massive number of bodies we've found in Iraq that show significant signs of abuse. 

Again, it's old news.

It's old news, so it doesn't

It's old news, so it doesn't matter? The point is the MSM made a huge deal about waterboarding and other interrogation methods they called 'torture'. We now have a "manual" for real torture printed by the terrorists themselves. This type of thing should be brought up by the MSM, but it isn't because they know it will steel the resolve of those of us that already support the war and maybe even convince some people (that haven't supported the war) that maybe fighting this war is the right thing to do after all.

The MSM's silence on this manual is deafening and illustrative of their agenda to report only things that will undermine the prosecution of this war.

"Believe what you want. You work your side of the street, and I'll work mine." --Frank Bullitt

Mean Gene,That's because it's

Mean Gene,

That's because it's a big deal when we torture.  We're a civilized country, the greatest in the world, it was a big deal b/c torture goes against all of the morals/values/beliefs upon which this great country was founded.

On the other hand, we expect terrorists to torture. 

Furthermore, this story is all over the MSM.  Do a simple google search and see for yourself. 

Enough is enough Leon! You

Enough is enough Leon! You just made me vomit in my mouth. How dare you ever call upon the morals, values or beliefs of this country to make your point. Your behavior and posts on this site strip you of that right. You are a foul minded child regardless of your actual age.

The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.

What are you talking about? 

What are you talking about?  You should wipe that foam that flew from your mouth off of your keyboard.

I'm a child he says as he throws sand in the sandbox.  Cute little guy.

Ahhh yes! What delicious wing

Ahhh yes! What delicious wingnuttiness. Thank you, Wicked Conservative.

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

Oh look, a two "man&qu

Oh look, a two "man" circle jerk. Wanna cracker?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Where's my girl bigtimer? Now

Where's my girl bigtimer? Now that's one wingnutty broad. Crazy like a FOX!

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

waka --if you were here with me--

waka --if you were here with me--I would wash your mouth out with soap.

Chauvinist pig!

I can't believe how you talk

I can't believe how you talk considering how old you are.  It's an embarassment that a man of your age feels it's acceptable to act with such a brutal lack of class.

It's an embarassment that a

It's an embarassment that a man of your age feels it's acceptable to act with such a brutal lack of class

Translation: "Yep, you caught us, now how about that cracker?"

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

No, I promise you my post was

No, I promise you my post was based on genuine shock.  I'm actually embarassed for you when I read your posts.  They are cringe inducing.

I'll bet you're the guy at the party that always tells the inappropriate jokes just a little too loud and laughs just a little too hard.

Well cupcake, you can prete

Well cupcake, you can pretend all the outrage you want. It won't change the fact that you and waka are obviously out of school for the summer and determined to make even bigger asses of yourselves on NB. And, btw, your silly assertion that "everyone knows they torture so it's not news" completely ignores the premise of the article which is that the MSM is ignoring the Manual that was captured. The manual is the story doofus.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Theses two scare and disgus

Theses two scare and disgust me for this nations sake. Where do their marching orders come from anyway? Grade school teacher? Girls Scout troop leader? Osama? You come to a conservative blog to drop your little lib-turds for what? Does it make you feel like a big kid now? Do you think your petty little arguments are going to influence anyone here who can think for themselves? I find you to be a vile ilk that has no place calling upon morality to make a point. Please leave.

The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.

I don't think I'll be going a

I don't think I'll be going anywhere.  You have the freedom to ignore all of my posts from this point forward.  If these are the types of weepy replies you're going to post, I'd suggest you start ignoring immediately.

Don't worry WC (ha!), I'm und

Don't worry WC (ha!), I'm under no delusion that one of you 28 Percenters will ever be persuaded to leave the safety of your Democrats=al Qaeda bunker and join the majority of your countrymen in the reality-based community. I come here for entertainment purposes only.

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

Who are you kidding? If I wa

Who are you kidding? If I was one of that 28% you'd be welcoming we with open arms and trying to "understand" me. Again I ask where do your marching orders come from troll?

The man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.

Unlike you guys, I don't need

Unlike you guys, I don't need "marching orders."

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

Not true, waka, my little monkey boy

Not true, waka.  You come here to fulfill your need to express your Howler Monkey nature. 

"The smallish Howler Monkey is equipped with a unique throat apparatus that enables it to make a loud roar like the larger gorilla. If you venture into an area containing howlers up in the trees be advised that the monkeys will harass you by throwing anything they can get their hands on. It's very amusing."

Awww yeah! RJ's here! WASSAAA

Awww yeah! RJ's here! WASSAAAAAP!

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

"The smallish Howler Monkey

Not much, Howler. Just watching you make a monkey out of yourself.

"The smallish Howler Monkey is equipped with a unique throat apparatus that enables it to make a loud roar like the larger gorilla. If you venture into an area containing howlers up in the trees be advised that the monkeys will harass you by throwing anything they can get their hands on. It's very amusing."

Leon & wacky packer,You

Leon & wacky packer,

You two insipid trolls remind me of a couple of cartoon characters from a few years back. Only thing is, I'm having difficulty discerning which of you is which.

So, which one of you is Beavis, and which one is Butthead?

This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.-Neal Boortz

Just because we are a civiliz

Just because we are a civilized country?  You know nothing about the middle east do you?

The basic tenets of Islam preach against such.  They understand Morals/values/beliefs.  How the hell do you come to the conclusion that this is no big deal?

Come on Leon!  Even you can see that this could help the public understand why we are fighting these people.  But no the MSM will ignore this because it does not support their view.

If it doesn't hurt the president then they want publish it.

 

Al Qaeda is not a country, no

Al Qaeda is not a country, nor is it representative of one single country.  It's a terrorist organization. 

I say that the news that they torture is no big deal, because we already knew that.  We know they do horrible things.  Again, that's why they're called terrorists. 

Tell me Leon; Why do the terr

Tell me Leon; Why do the terrorist support the election of the Dems?

They don't.  The terrorists

They don't.  The terrorists support whoever is going to keep our troops and attention mired in Iraq so they can continue to plan and attack while America has her back turned.  The Iraq War is the best thing that ever happened to them.

They

Read below.They don't wait us

Read below.

They don't want us in Iraq, They want to come here Leon and kill people like you and I.

Try again.

And once again the great duo

And once again the great duo of Leon and waka have fled the scene when the really hard questions are asked of them.  Where their responses must include more words than "What’s your point?" and "Dude!"

Tune in next time when we will hear them say “I know you are but what am I?"

Wrong Leon, Al-Sadr is on the

Wrong Leon, Al-Sadr is on the news today wanting us to leave Irag. Do you think he is lyin? They want us out of Irag just like you and the other dems.

Here is a little insight for

Here is a little insight for you:

"Of course Americans should vote Democrat," Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group, and infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity, told World News Daily.

"This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud," said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.

Jaara and others told WND that they believe if the Democrats come into power because of the party's position on withdrawing from Iraq, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.

Do you want to continue to support that Leon?

"say that the news tha

"say that the news that they torture is no big deal, because we already
knew that. We know they do horrible things. Again, that's why they're
called terrorists. "

Then, following your logic(as if you used any), there's no need for the news to tell us about the war day in and day out. We already know there's a war going on. There's also no reason to tell us everytime a soldier dies. We know soldiers are being killed.

wrong...Islam teaches:convert

wrong...Islam teaches:

  • convert or submit or die
  • conquer your enemies (see above), if not possible, offer peace until such time you can come back and conquer

face piles of trials with smiles

"On the other hand, we e

"On the other hand, we expect terrorists to torture."

We should expect the same civility out of the terrorists as we give to them. If we don't hold them to those expectations, they will never civilize themselves.

I expect my kids to misbehave from time to time, but I don't let them get away with it. It is a big deal to me even if I know it's going to happen.

It is a big deal that the MSM is not taking up this story. They aren't touching it because it doesn't fit their anti-war agenda. It's a big deal when the MSM and people like you claim our interrogation techniques are torture. Our interrogation methods don't even come close to what I would consider 'torture'. The methods described in the al Qaida manual are without a doubt all torture.

Did the Google search. This is not all over the MSM. It is all over the blogosphere. MSM = ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, NYT, LAT, WAPost, WATimes, AP, Reuters, et. al. The only MSM outlet I see covering this is USAToday.

"Believe what you want. You work your side of the street, and I'll work mine." --Frank Bullitt

I wouldn't expect the same

I wouldn't expect the same civility from people who strap bombs to their chest and walk into crowded areas, then explod.

Just sayin'.

well said, well said.

well said, well said.

If you never hold anyone to a

If you never hold anyone to a standard, then they will never meet it.

I know the terrorists are going to be uncivil, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't expect them to eventually become civil.

They do exactly what the school-yard bullies do. They attack the ones they know they can attack or the ones that won't respond in kind.

Not condemning terrorists for being uncivil is the same as condoning it.

"Believe what you want. You work your side of the street, and I'll work mine." --Frank Bullitt

I know the terrorists are goi

I know the terrorists are going to be uncivil, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't expect them to eventually become civil.

What!?!? These people are evildoers who want to KILL YOU, you terrorist lover.

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

If you are here to cause prob

If you are here to cause problems, you should just leave.

"Believe what you want. You work your side of the street, and I'll work mine." --Frank Bullitt

Your argument that terrorists

"Mean," your argument that terrorists torturing is as equally newsworthy as the U.S. government torturing doesn't reflect well on our country.

"Hey! Look! The terrorists do it so it's no big deal if we do it too!"

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

"Old news.." Tha

"Old news.."

That's the oldest, lamest excuse in the book.

Soldiers die in combat. That's old news. Didn't stop the MSM from drooling over every U.S. casualty.

Civilians get killed during war. That's old news. Didn't stop the MSM from bludgeoning Bush with grossly exagerated "civilian casualty" horror stories.

Foley sent inappropriate messages. Old news after the first 100 times I heard it. Didn't stop the MSM from trumpeting the "Foley Scandal" 24/7 for months on end.

By the way, how did the "Al Qaeda torture / massive bodies" storyline become old news? It has to be reported before it becomes old news. Where was the 24/7, front page, lead story, kind of attention that this should have garnered? Surely, if Foley's "scandal" get's wall to wall coverage, this should have gotten at least a few mentions.

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

Hey Jerry, ya big dummy, it's

Hey Jerry, ya big dummy, it's old news because we know al Qaeda comprises some sick SOBs who torture.

Newsflash: Sky blue, water wet

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

Do me a favor and please find

Do me a favor and please find me the US manual on torture Waka.  Could you?

Well, I googled as hard as I

Well, I googled as hard as I could and couldn't find it, Airforce. I guess you've proven me wrong. Dang.

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

Nice try Waka but that is not

Nice try Waka but that is not a manual.  That is a bunch of dumba$$ acting on their own.  Try again.

Zooooom! That was a joke goin

Zooooom!

That was a joke going right over your head, flyboy. Yuk yuk yuk.

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

If that is a joke then brothe

If that is a joke then brother you are sicker than I thought.

Well, that was a mature res

Well, that was a mature response.

Waka, we all know Hitler was a bad person, so we shouldn't talk about him in our history books. We should instead focus on all the "attrocities" perpetrated by our armed forces while trying to defeat this monster.

We all know that criminals commit crimes, so why waste so much time reporting on it. We should be focusing on jay walkers and people who speed up at yellow lights.

We all know that pollution is bad for the environment, so why waste so damn much time harping on it? Let's talk about people who fart in elevators.

Brilliant waka. Thanks for the enlightment.

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

I've heard that line over a

I've heard that line over and over from libs with whom I mention the MSM not reporting important things that our enemies are doing. That let-me-somehow-quickly-end-this-discussion phrase of "this is old news," or the better one you used along the lines of "everyone knows [insert particular enemy here] did/does that." Very similar in nature to someone unable to discuss the logic of a topic, such as illegal aliens, so instead choose to call the anti-illegal backer a "racist" to end the discussion or alter it's direction.

Everyone likely knows it, yes. But most of the "everyone" couldn't care less. It's not pounded into their heads like the Abu Gharib things, or even the things that have NOT been proven but that the media has grabbed onto anyway.

Liberal media is a danger to America, period.

Disgusting

Well Noel, it is the Memorial Day weekend.  I'm sure our lib media is much too busy preparing tasteful, patriotic stories about our fallen heroes in the military.   I'm confident the demedia is just waiting to confirm this story with "green helmet guy".  Mustn't rile the "Muslim street" with unconfirmed stories about supposed torture by the "religion of peace".  (sarcasm off)

Meanwhile, sane people in this country must continue to be tortured by the silent treatment of good news from Iraq and anything that might shed Islamic jihadists in a bad light.

(Sarcasm back on)  Thank allah John Edwards instructed us there is "no war on terror", so our two remaining soldiers won't have to be worried about getting tortured by the Iraqi "freedom fighters".

Disgusting...... 

I don't see this story on f

I don't see this story on foxnews.com or cnn.com, FWIW. It should be news, yes. The reason it's not as big a story as Abu Ghraib is because the revelation that we're mistreating prisoners is quite sensational. We're not supposed to do that, being the good guys.

Balboa

B,

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=3308521&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.4.1

I'm not suggesting it should be as big as Abu Ghraib. I'm suggesting it should be reported, and given great focus for it is news about our primary enemy.

Should it be ignored because we know these are terrible people? Well, let's assume it's 1945, and it's already been reported that Hitler had concentration camps. Would the revelation of a new camp and freed prisoners be news? Or, should the media ignore each additional piece of the story once the press feels that the public has had enough?

I vote the latter. How 'bout you? 

Furthermore, it is one thing to say that our enemy tortures people. It's quite another to identify and capture what appears to be a training manual to do so, don't you think?

For instance, using the absurd logic being expressed here by some, if we at this point identified that there was a training manual at Abu Ghraib, maybe we shouldn't bother reporting that given it being old news that terrible things happened there. 

See my point?    ns

Oh absolutely, I completely a

Oh absolutely, I completely agree, which is why I said it should be news.

Leon,You are a piece of trash

Leon,

You are a piece of trash.  Ya, my post sure was dripping with melodrama...it's called reality you arrogant, ignorant pompous as*hole.  You proved the point exactly - to people like you, American soldiers being tortured, beheaded, castrated, dismembered; civilian contractors being beheaded; it's all a melodrama, isn't it? 

It's just played out on CNN, in your issue of Time magazine, just like a soap opera.  This stuff isn't really real...no way possible.  There aren't monsters in real life, right?  Isn't that what mommy teaches us?  There's no monster under your bed, you're just imagining things.

That type of ignorant passive thinking is exactly what's got us into this mess int he first place.  Maybe if your boy Jimmy Carter wasn't such a f*cking dumbas*, we could have nipped this in the bud 30 years ago...or maybe if your pride and joy Billy Clinton was so busy getting his d*ck sucked in the oval office, he could have done something about this.  But you'll never f*cking understand until your mother, or brother, or sister gets killed by a terrorist.  No, no...at that point, you'll be on screaming and whining that we didn't do enough to protect them.

Go to h*ll dude, I can't handle your dismissive and aloof comments anymore. 

Hi. I'm not Leon. :-)

Hi. I'm not Leon. :-)

Balboa

B,

Don't you play Leon on television?  :-)    ns

Shhhh. That was local acces

Shhhh. That was local access cable, and it was only the one time.

I thought I could trust you...(sniffle)

Balboa

B,

Nothing's sacred with me, bub. After all, I'm a conservative! 

Anyway, I saw it at YouTube. So, consider yourself outed!!!!   :-)   ns

I am glad I am not counting o

I am glad I am not counting on your eyesight to save my life, Bal.

Bashing America is easy, and cheap, isn't it? I mean, everybody just loves it when America is shown to be as human as everybody else, right? Everybody hates us, alright. Until they want our money, goods, services, and entry into our country, that is.

I just looked at the front

I just looked at the front pages of each site.

Well, the story broke the day

Well, the story broke the day before, so I guess it was off the front page by the time you got to it, I think. I could not find it @CNN at all...

Very true point you make.

Very true point you make.

The big reason it should be reported is that it's barbaric and it's an enemy with whom we are currently at war. There are dictators in the world today who are doing some of the same things, and those too should probably be reported, but in the case of war, reporting one sides atrocities (perceieved or otherwise) and not the other is unacceptable. Especially when the one side being reported heavily is the very country in which that mainstream media and it's reporters live as citizens. We all remember a span of time a couple years ago where we'd hear (and see if we looked for it) the beheading-while-alive of individuals. There were quite a few, and suddenly it ceased to be put out on video. Al Qaeda leadership called for those videos to cease because it was negatively affecting their cause. Too many who they otherwise would have as backers saw that as just taking things too far, so we've not seen that in a long time. (not that I expect them to not be doing it again)

If the American mainstream media wants to claim pure objectivity, they would report some barbarism of the enemies of America, and not be looking so hard for just what America is doing. Americans are so far removed from the war against Islamic radicalism and terror organizations that we need to see at least SOMETHING that the enemy is doing that we would find repulsive and motivational toward our more strongly supporting their extermination. Why can't our media stop being so anti-American, pro-enemy so constantly? Do they literally have no control over themselves and just want America's demise to badly that they can't help themselves?

Well, that was a mature res

nm - placed in wrong spot

Why is there much talk about

Why is there much talk about water-boarding by us but almost nothing about Inquisition-like torture by our enemy? 

Because it would make water

Because it would make waterboarding look like a lap dance by comparison.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

"Why is there much tal

"Why is there much talk about water-boarding by us but almost nothing about Inquisition-like torture by our enemy?"

Because they don't actually have proof that we torture anyone as a matter of policy, so they have to try harder by promoting allegations that we do. If they report on the real, proveable cases of torture comitted by the enemy, clear-thinking Americans will be able to tell the difference between unproven allegations and proveable cases performed by the enemy quite easily. We can't have that.