A call to Agnostic Front

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By The Wicked Conservative
May 24, 2007 - 16:06 ET

Agnostic Front: I read in a post today where you wrote If anyone can offer one shred of evidence in the proof of the existence of God I'll believe. I'm creating this post to call you to a civilized conversation on the matter.
Lets start with your evidence you're looking for: Look in front of you now. What do you see? A desk, a keyboard, a monitor? Are you in a building? How did these things come to exist? Did they have a creator? Of course they did. Their very existence is proof they have a creator. Your very existence is proof of a creator. This world, galaxy and universe speak of tremendous planning. To claim it happened by complete accident is the height of denial and a statistical impossibility the likes of which you couldn't count the zeros to name the figure. Now before you even mention evolution remember it's a theory. Why is it a theory? Because there is no proof! The soil of this planet should be littered with all the "in between phases" of all the species on the planet today. They just aren't there. Radio Carbon-14 dating can't go back more than about 50,000 thousand years "theoretically" they've never actually found anything that old to date. All these thing are taught as fact because there is an agenda to remove spirituality from our culture.
Most importantly you ask why christianity? It's the grace of God. Jesus said you'd know his followers by the fruit that they bear. Just look around at the fruit of major world religions compared to true christianity. Things like African missions to comfort Aids sufferers. Soup kitchens, hospitals, rehabs, and the like. What other religions of the world attempt anything close to the scale christians do with this.
You may dislike christian attitudes towards things you think are moral choices but you need to consider the motivation. Our greatest comission from Jesus was go and preach the Gospel in all the world to every creature. Why? Because Jesus is the way and the truth and the life. No one shall come to the Father but by him. Christians don't want you to go to hell. And hey we were just told to go and preach the gospel. We weren't told to cut your head off if you reject the gospel. It's you choice man.
I'm just going to preach the gospel till I die because I love God and his will is my will and will that noe should perish!

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I appreciate your point of vi

May 24, 2007 - 16:22 ET by Agnostic front

I appreciate your point of view and will respond as such: the theory of evolution is not a theory as we laymen like to call a theory. It is a theory like gravity is a theory. If 98% of biologists believe in evolution, who am I to disagree. Just beacuse it gives comfort and would be nice to beleive in god, doesn't make it so.

Your "chosen" religion was most likely chosen for you. If you were born in Japan, would you be Christian? Almost certainly not. How can you be so sure that you are right when Christianity was basically foisted upon you?

Also, as to fossel records. Can you explain why not one fossel has ever been dated out of place from an evolutionary perspective? Not one. Every one of them has been found and dated in the sequence in which we would expect to find them evolved. There is no data that suggest that evolution is wrong. There are gaps in the theory, but there always will be. There are gaps in every scientific theory. God just doesn't fill them.

And?

May 24, 2007 - 16:40 ET by Mr. Bishop

For you to make the comment, "If 98% of biologists believe in evolution..." is to ignore the fact that over 500 years ago, almost all scientists believed the world to be flat. To accept this notion, blindly, as almost religious doctrine, is to be the very in definition of denial.

Whether the theory of evolution took place or not (and as far as I am concerned, it did), does not automatically dismiss the ability of God to grant the ability for it to take place. You saying that "God doesn't fill" the gaps in evolution theory, doesn't just show there are gaps -- but by the sheer inability to fill these gaps, provides more of a discredit to the existance of your theory, then the denial in God.

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AF. Gravity is a law it ca

May 24, 2007 - 20:24 ET by The Wicked Conservative

AF. Gravity is a law it can be proven over and over. Also fossils could never be dated. They have been estimated in age by geological strata which I believe is explained by flood geology. Perhaps you've heard Darwin's own quote about being utterly unable to explain how an eye could possibly evolve. Evolution takes a whole lot of faith. There's a lot of well maybes and it could of beens. Belief in God takes faith till you embrace it and experience God move in your life. Believing in creation takes faith once...GOD! Then boom, it all makes sense. Don't blindly buy the myth that evolution is sound and proven.

As for my faith it didn't come easy. It didn't even start coming till I was about 20 and I struggled with it over and over but God was faithful and kept revealing himself to me. Now I'm at a point where I live my life for Him and I couldn't be happier about it.

Let me ask you a question Aggy. Would you consider youself a good person?

Also fossils could never be

May 24, 2007 - 20:57 ET by Free Stinker

Also fossils could never be dated.

I recall reading somewhere that Rock strata is dated by fossils within, but the fossils are dated by the rock stata.

Circular reasoning, anybody ?

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Free,Though there is some cir

May 24, 2007 - 21:20 ET by

Free,

Though there is some circular reasoning at times, Rocks are dated radiometrically and fossils by Carbon-14.

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Normally I'd argue over the

May 24, 2007 - 21:29 ET by Free Stinker

Normally I'd argue over the accuracy of Carbon-14 dating, but I'm tired tonight.

I'll just leave it at "I have concerns over the accuracy of Carbon-14 dating.

Stinker, here's the first l

May 25, 2007 - 09:14 ET by The Wicked Conservative

Stinker, here's the first link that comes up when I searched radiometric dating, which I was unaware of before. It was the first link in google so I didn't go cherry picking for it. Don't get huffy about the title till you read the first several paragraphs. How old is the planet? I don't know exactly. And it doesn't matter. Jesus said he was coming back soon, and that was two thousand years ago. God exists outside of human understanding of time.

Radiometric Dating

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Wicked,I found the same guy h

May 26, 2007 - 09:36 ET by

Wicked,

I found the same guy here 

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Here is the fundamental fla

May 24, 2007 - 21:13 ET by Conservative Voice

Here is the fundamental flaw in evolution...the creature has to evolve to the point that it can't produce with the same species of its parents and that the same thing happened to the opposite sex AT THE SAME TIME.
Now within its own species certain genetic traits maybe enhanced. For example people in Africa versus Europe. But to say Europeans evolved from the African species not only sounds a but like Hitler dogma, it is false...as a white person can mate with a black person without any problems...despite the "millions of years" it took for the white man to "lose the black skin".
Please give me one example where a creature is a different species from its parents.

One more thing to add on th

May 26, 2007 - 12:29 ET by Conservative Voice

One more thing to add on the math probability on evolution...like I said the probability of a male and female evolve into the same species, but can't mate with the species of their parents...and be able to mate with each other and have offspring is pretty darn small. It becomes compounded when you look at the number of different species we have on the earth...many of which we haven't discovered yet. Which means you have to multiply the number of species that were ever on the earth by the probability that a male and female evolved as seperate species from their parents and were able to produce offspring. Granted some life forms are simplier (as they don't require both sexes) but its still pretty darn slim sparky.

science of auto-animation

May 24, 2007 - 16:51 ET by LionKing

Has there ever been a successful lab or even empirical study of an inanimate thing (like an amino acid) suddenly becoming a living thing?