On Thursday’s morning shows, all three networks covered the dust-up between Rosie O’Donnell and Elisabeth Hasselbeck on "The View," but only ABC’s "Good Morning America" framed the shouting match as "a debate that is playing out over kitchen tables across the country."
Really? Americans are having spirited discussions during supper over "who are the terrorists?" Because that’s what "The View" co-hosts were debating, Ms. O’Donnell’s insinuations that the U.S. is responsible for the deaths of Iraqi civilians and, therefore, an enabler of terrorism, at the very least.
GMA co-host Robin Roberts began the May 24 segment by asserting that O’Donnell’s over-the-top comments had larger implications:
Robin Roberts: "I'm going to turn now to what's being called the war over the war, a war of words that erupted between Rosie O’Donnell and Elisabeth Hasselbeck on the ABC show ‘The View.’ The trigger point? America's involvement in the war in Iraq. A political sparring match that turned personal and one that's sparking a larger debate about what we can and cannot say about the war. And ABC's Dan Harris has more on that. It got really ugly yesterday."
Dan Harris: "You don’t expect to see it on ‘The View,’ do you? Robin, good morning. On some level, this may be a conflict between two people who have, shall we say, a tense personal relationship. But this is also a debate that is playing out over kitchen tables across the country. Here’s the question, how far can you go in criticizing the war without insulting the troops?"
After showing several clips from Wednesday’s shout-fest and the comedienne’s comment’s from the previous week that precipitated it, reporter Dan Harris expounded on the larger implications:
Harris: "This is the latest example of how difficult it is to strike a balance between criticizing the war and supporting the troops."
David Gergen (Kennedy School of Government): "There are no clear lines about how far you can go in criticizing a government during times of war, but there are customs. One custom is you can criticize the president, you can also criticize the generals but you can't criticize the troops."
Harris: "In the presidential race, both Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama have had to backtrack after saying the lives of soldiers were, quote, ‘wasted’ in Iraq."
Noticeably absent from Mr. Harris’ list was John Kerry. In 2005, he told Bob Schieffer on "Face the Nation" that U.S. soldiers shouldn’t be "terrorizing" Iraqi children. Perhaps this could be an example of the type of kitchen table debate that Robin Roberts referred to?
It should be noted that ABC, which also airs "The View," was the only network to attempt to draw a bigger meaning out of O’Donnell’s assertions. "The Early Show" on CBS simply replayed the juiciest moments while anchors Julie Chen and Hannah Storm looked on and ate popcorn. Over on NBC, the "Today" show did much the same. However, co-host and former "View" alum Meredith Vieira made sure to mention that she is out of the loop and doesn’t "get involved" in disputes between her former colleagues.
Finally, ABC even compared this situation to former on-air battles, such as William F. Buckley’s famous 1968 verbal smackdown of author Gore Vidal:
Harris: "In every war, there's conflict between the hawks and the doves. Check out this Vietnam-era exchange between liberal Gore Vidal and conservative William Buckley."
[File footage]
Gore Vidal: "And the only, sort of, pro-war crypto-Nazi I can think of is yourself. Failing that, I will only say that we can’t have–"
William F. Buckley: "Now, listen you [Bleeped]. Stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I'll knock you in the [Bleeped] face and you'll stay plastered!"
Rosie O’Donnell is scheduled to remain on "The View" for three more weeks. Perhaps she’ll expand on her other theories, including the ones that include bizarre 9/11 conspiracies. Maybe GMA will be able to tell viewers what "larger debates" they are sparking.
—Scott Whitlock is a news analyst for the Media Research Center.
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I addressed this already in t
May 24, 2007 - 11:50 ET by jpatchI addressed this already in the previous column about the traitor Rosie, but this is exactly what I was afraid of...
I'm going to go find my post and re-post it here...
You know, I caught a couple m
May 24, 2007 - 11:53 ET by jpatchYou know, I caught a couple minutes of CNN last night, and they were doing a re-cap of the View from yesterday, and of course, they sign off by saying, "those two need a mediator...they need to sit down with a cup of tea and work things out with each other..." as if to assign guilt to BOTH parties, it's like, "Geeez, those two really have a problem with one another" Instead of, "Rosie continued to refuse to answer questions about her statement regarding American troops as terrorists, and Elizabeth wasn't going to let her get away with it again..."
same thing happens ALL OF THE TIME, and it drives me nuts. if one person starts a fight, in any way, and the person who is being assailed fights back, then they BOTH have a problem. INCORRECT!!!! The fight began with Rosie's disrespectful, ignorant and treasonous remarks, for which she produced ZERO evidence in support, and then when called on her obvious fallacies, she blames:
1. FoxNews for "spinning" her words
2. the Republicans
3. Elizabeth for not being her friend
Free life lesson for the liberals: Just because there are two people in a fight, doesn't mean that they are both instigators...also, just because there are civilizations that are in a fight, doesn't mean that they are all equally responsible for its incitation...
i mean Lord have mercy, the terrorists have videos, books and living proof of their intentions (Madrid, Bali, Mombai, London, USS Cole, WTC '93, WTC 2001) not to mention the millenia of war that they've been waging in the name of Islam...but hey, it's our fault too, we use oil!!!!
3. Elizabeth for not being he
May 24, 2007 - 12:36 ET by Gothampc3. Elizabeth for not being her friend
Most humans abandon this argument in about the fourth grade.
I guess "being a friend" to Rosie means you agree with everything she says.
What is still being missed in Elisabeth kicks Rosie
May 24, 2007 - 15:10 ET by SportPoliticsWhat is still being missed in Elisabeth kicks Rosie.
Listen to the posted video from yesterday, Elisabeth DOES claim she said she didn't believe Rosie thinks the troops are terorrists.
She says it flat out in the video. I guess all the other stuff means Rosie and almost everyone else misses it.
IT'S THERE.
" I don't believe that you belive troops are terrorists. I've said that before, but when you say..."
If the image of Rosie comes i
May 24, 2007 - 11:59 ET by general companyIf the image of Rosie comes into my mind during dinner, Id loose my appetite.Ahh, new diet plan?
There is proof that the media
May 24, 2007 - 12:01 ET by FastEdThere is proof that the media personalities have nothing but their personalities, and it comes from a surprising source.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
rooshie
May 24, 2007 - 13:51 ET by tejanodiablofatties and dykes and liers, oh no !
how can rooshie sleep at night ? .. or does she hang from the ceiling or close the lid on her casket for awhile ??
never look a gift skunk in the tail ..
Partially right - she hangs i
May 24, 2007 - 14:02 ET by FastEdPartially right - she hangs in some contraption that "helps" her somehow - and here's your skunk.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
I am going to follow Jpatch's
May 24, 2007 - 12:09 ET byI am going to follow Jpatch's lead and copy/paste what I had already posted on this topic, only over in the forum area.
With Friends like Rosie, does Elizabeth need Enemies?
Rosie went off on Elizabeth [yesterday], blaming her for what right wing people are saying. Rosie wants Elizabeth to defend Rosie by going off on those who speak against Rosie. It is clear that Elizabeth believes that Rosie's own words get her into trouble, as most people realize this.
Rosie said that people look at her as big fat lesbian Rosie, going after sweet little Christian Elizabeth.
Well, first off, I have never heard Elizabeth say she is a Christian, and though she is for the most part a sweet thing, I don't believe she is. Rosie does not recall that there have been times that Elizabeth has spoken negatively about true Christianity.
I see Elizabeth as someone who is searching and may very well end up a true believer some day. I like Elizabeth and I think that Rosie's real problem with Elizabeth has more to do with Elizabeth being absolutely beautiful, tremendously likeable, and the epitome of a woman.
Rosie kept throwing up to Elizabeth that they are friends. That is not what a friendship is.
I was in the thick of a group of homosexuals over on AOL, and I know how homosexuals like Rosie 'work' their 'friends.'
Their idea of a friend is someone who bows to them and does what they want them to do. What Rosie was really saying was this:
My translation: "I order you to be my friend and as such you will defend my every way, move, and word. If you do not, then you are a bad friend and I then degrade and blame you for my pain."
Debra...
www.InformingChristians.com
There you go again... decidin
May 24, 2007 - 12:30 ET by bigtimerThere you go again... deciding if Elizabeth is a true Christian again....you just can't help yourself can you Debra.
Like I said before....aren't you special.
Debra is on fire for Jesus wh
May 24, 2007 - 13:39 ET by TruthMongerDebra is on fire for Jesus which is great, but judgement is a very tricky business...try to exercise great caution, care, humility, love, affection...
My general rule is that it's very important to speak of the critical judgements you make about yourself at least as much as others...preferably moreso...
http://bible.cc/matthew/7-5.htm
P.S As many of you know I get very nasty on quite a regular basis...
nonsense, TruthMonger
May 24, 2007 - 13:44 ET by tumblerDebra is mainly on fire for her scriptural interpretation and the pride she takes in it. Those truly on fire for Jesus don't deny what He taught us.
Yet there is still time for Debra. Like most of us, her life on earth is a pilgrimage. Only some arrive late. We must pray for her; call her out of her presumption and error. With God nothing's impossible.
"We must pray for her&qu
May 24, 2007 - 14:36 ET by TruthMonger"We must pray for her"
Hear, hear...let's pray for all of us...
Jesus didn't look very proud on the cross this morning when I had to nail Him back up there again for my daily transgressions...he looked very humble...
TM...paid in full. Aren't y
May 24, 2007 - 14:43 ET by vrwc13TM...paid in full. Aren't you glad you don't have to "pay" your bill every day, or at least every Sunday morning. Maybe that's why Tumblers cross has Him still hanging there.
BTW, how would one know when they have "earned" enough? Hmmm, how many "good works" did the thief on the cross next to Him have?
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do you know what you're talking about ?
May 24, 2007 - 14:50 ET by tumblerJust what new mischief are you carving out of BS now, vrwc13 ?
I have no cross. I "earn" nothing, all I have is what God gives us freely; faith. I suppose God gave you license to change his holy Word ? Because that's what you do; you mix your private opinions in amidst the scripture. It's a result of your human nature.
The thief on the cross next to Jesus was not equivalent to you with a Bible, getting free rides from Jesus. You forgot His words: "As you sow shall you reap." Today you're sowing discord and falsehood.
Tumby, just what part of God'
May 24, 2007 - 15:04 ET by vrwc13Tumby, just what part of God's word have I changed? And I have seen a lot of your posts. Where is your "truth" with love?
1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[b] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 1 Corinthians 13Having read many of your posts, especially the ones supporting ILLEGAL aliens, I have seen a lot of impatience, unkindness, pride, rudeness, anger...where is the love..."You shall know them by their fruits" Mt 7:16a
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wrwcsie; you call it scripture
May 24, 2007 - 15:22 ET by tumblerYou HAVE changed the scriptures, and you can't deny it. Sola fide isn't at all a biblical teaching. You think it's something from the Bible. Jesus is very serious about sin, however.
He says, "If your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it away;"
You say you're saved, nothing to do but use your biblical "ticket" of faith alone. That is pure sectarian misinterpretation of Bible truth. And you accuse me of lacking love ? I love the truth, not falsehood.
I love God; and I love my neighbor as myself. You're a hate-monger as well as an anti-catholic. Let me remind you also; TOUGH LOVE is called for when a supposed Christian changes the meaning of God's Word to suit his own agenda. Christ wasn't offended by sinners; He was offended by Pharisees who wanted to trap Him in some mistake. He called them a "brood of vipers," (Sounds ad hominem to me. So I can use it as a precedent.) John the Baptist confronted men in their sins. He wasn't mealy-mouthed, he was FEISTY !
What is it about James' epistle you wanted misunderstood, now ? Oh; dead faith. That's right. Faith without works is DEAD.
tumbler,(i should have my h
May 24, 2007 - 15:27 ET by MightyMouthtumbler,
(i should have my head examined for doing this...)
If the Church ( I am talking about the one true universal church) advocates something that is in direct contradiction to Scipture, which is correct?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
this should be good...waiting
May 24, 2007 - 15:44 ET by vrwc13this should be good...waiting on Tumby's reply...
Btw MM sometimes ya just gotta do it
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MM ...you are crazy
May 24, 2007 - 15:45 ET by LionKingMM...you are crazy. Arguing Christianity with a Catholic. Remember, they consider Mary as the co-redeemer. Praying to Mary as well as their saints...I am not a theologian, but that seems close to putting someone on equal status as God.
"there you go again"
May 24, 2007 - 15:48 ET by vrwc13"there you go again"...3....2....1....
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Crazy... like a fox guys. :
May 24, 2007 - 15:54 ET by MightyMouthCrazy... like a fox guys. :-)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
some would consider this entr
May 24, 2007 - 15:57 ET by vrwc13some would consider this entrapment
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lion is a liar
May 24, 2007 - 16:05 ET by tumblerWhat ???
Nobody in the Catholic Church says Mary is a redeemer. Or co-redeemer. Please restrict yourself to telling only the truth, lion. Our Redeemer is Jesus, not Mary or anyone else. He redeemed us by His death on the cross.
We pray for the INTERCESSION of saints. Not TO the saints. Mary prays for us, to her Holy Son, Jesus. It's seen in the Bible, she did it there, and the apostle John records it so, to teach us it can be done. (John 2 :1 through 10)
TUMBLER ...LEARN the TRUTH
May 24, 2007 - 16:14 ET by LionKingSo sad to be a Catholic and not understand your own doctrine.
Read this and weep.
btw, DO NOT EVER REFER TO ME AS A LIAR AGAIN!
read it yourself, liar
May 24, 2007 - 16:17 ET by tumblerMary is not our redeemer nor a co-redeemer. Period.
Sad Tumbler, you believe in y
May 24, 2007 - 18:29 ET by vrwc13Sad Tumbler, you believe in your church, but yet you do not know what your your church believes.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-19633321.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1834733/posts
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there's a genius at work
May 24, 2007 - 18:47 ET by tumblerFYI dear vrwc13;
I haven't any church. That's because I'm not a denominational kook; of whom there are thousands. They all start churches on their own. Tumbler isn't making up a Church; the Church is absolutely alive and well; and Jesus Christ founded her, not moi.
As for "knowing" what she teaches; you're damn tootin' I do. Shoot me a question; don't ask any encyclopedia. I'll give you the unvarnished truth about Catholic doctrine. Come now; take your best shot.
Jesus did not found the church
May 24, 2007 - 18:51 ET by LionKingJesus did not found the church. God is the Foundation and Jesus is the Cornerstone.
Once again, tumbler ritual of ad hominem attacks. If you cannot sway with facts, resort to name-calling.
Tumb start with two:
May 24, 2007 - 18:52 ET by vrwc13face piles of trials with smiles
vrwc13--
May 24, 2007 - 18:58 ET by misterbillI don't know about Catholics, but All Dogs Go To Heaven.
Ah the evening crew has check
May 24, 2007 - 19:04 ET by vrwc13Ah the evening crew has checked in. Time for me to go home for dinner. Tumbler is cranking today, and cranky. Looks like his vacation did not mellow him a bit.
Tumbler, truely I will be praying for you tonight.
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Vrwc13 I hope you are not--
May 24, 2007 - 19:27 ET by misterbillVRWC13 I hope you are not leaving because of me---Please don't I do not intend to stay on now that the site has reverted to a religious debating board.
So please stay and I will instantly log off.
I do not know about VRWC13, but...
May 24, 2007 - 19:33 ET by LionKingMy mind is numb from beating it against a wall. Well, maybe I should have been beating it against a wall. It would have accomplished more that trying to carry on an intellectual discourse with tumbler.
I am gone for tonight. To all, have a blessed Memorial Day and weekend as I am about to enjoy my 4-day weekend.
Next case
May 24, 2007 - 19:37 ET by tumblerCiao, Lion King. Glad you're taking a break from your stint as a theologian.
He means his relief Debra mis
May 24, 2007 - 19:37 ET by bigtimerHe means his relief Debra misterbill.
My post here also "disap
May 25, 2007 - 09:25 ET by vrwc13My post here also "disappeared?"
Debra is one of many, and since my initial posts here and above are gone, I will re-think how I finish here and contemplate why they are missing.
"If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.... If they persecuted Me they will persecute you... for they do not know the One who sent Me." John 15:19-21
My first response post here h
May 25, 2007 - 09:21 ET by vrwc13My first response post here has "disapeared"? Hope it was not censored.
I really did have to go home for dinner. I knew my fellow believers would probably pick up where I left off.
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you grasp for too much
May 24, 2007 - 19:11 ET by tumblerA "current movement"-? No, it's a dead movement. It stalled, because the Church can never teach any spurious thing whether about Mary, the doctrines of the apostles, or morality. If you persist in pushing this false premise, don't try it on me. I'm not one of your Sunday school students, falling for Sola fide, Sola scriptura and all your revival tent megillah.
Mary is not our co-redemptrix, nor is she adored and worshipped by faithful Catholics (another bald-faced lie spread by anti-catholic liars.) The Church never taught us so, and won't be doing anything remotely like that.
NEXT CASE.
Hail Mary, tumbler
May 24, 2007 - 19:14 ET by LionKingEver heard of Hail Mary? [football does not count]
I like that verse
May 24, 2007 - 19:30 ET by tumblerYeah; it's in Luke, chapter ONE:
"Hail, full of grace. The Lord is with you."
Spoken by the angel Gabriel as he addressed the mother of God-to-be, a holy virgin. Love that meeting, between Mary and God's holy angel. God kept all His promises and Mary did too ! She was without sin. We know it, since God reveals it.
When the angel says "Hai
May 24, 2007 - 20:25 ET by tracheostomyWhen the angel says "Hail, full of grace," does that mean that Mary is full of grace received from God, or that the angel has now declared her a dispenser of grace that she now generates of her own volition?
Related to that is the RC doctrine of condign merit. You still haven't answered my question at all about whether you agree with that doctrine or not.
You tell us to ask you directly about your faith. But when I do, you hedge on it. There are at least four questions collected from various threads that you have thus far avoided me on (yes, I'm keeping a list).
I'll add another. Do you truly believe 1 Timothy 2:5?
"Mediator" = "Intercessor"
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
I don't know of any Scripture
May 24, 2007 - 21:35 ET byI don't know of any Scripture 'hailing' Mary, Tumbler.
Luke 1 :28
May 24, 2007 - 21:51 ET by tumblerGabriel, representing God Almighty, says to Mary: "HAIL, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women."
You must be blind, not to recognize this wonderful phrase from the mouth of an archangel to the Blessed Virgin Mary.
vrwc13 says:Sad Tumbler, yo
May 24, 2007 - 22:54 ET by motherbeltvrwc13 says:
Sad Tumbler, you believe in your church, but yet you do not know what your your church believes.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-19633321.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1834733/posts
Sorry to come in on this late, guys, but I have to comment on the stories at these two links....one says there are a bunch of priests and cardinals who want to name Mary co-Redeemer, and the other says Pope John Paul II wanted to use his "infallibility" to do that.The most telling thing is that neither one says it actually happened.Therefore, although there may be some or many in the Catholic Church who want it to transpire, the fact is that the Church does NOT teach that Mary is co-Redeemer.
There has been a history of t
May 25, 2007 - 08:44 ET by vrwc13There has been a history of this throughout the Catholic church history. One only needs to "google" to find, as I posted early, many Popes, and eras of this belief. The current programs are not new news.
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I am late into this and instantly out--
May 25, 2007 - 09:24 ET by misterbillI am late into this and instantly out-- May is the month of Mary, mother of Jesus, so I simply list one of the hymns I sang as a young man aloud and as a grown man, quietly inside my mind:
Bring flowers of the fairest,Bring flowers of the rarest,
From garden and woodland
And hillside and dale;
Our full hearts are swelling,
Our Glad voices telling
The praise of the loveliest flower of the vale.O Mary, we crown thee with blossoms today,
Queen of the Angels and Queen of the May,
O Mary, we crown thee with blossoms today,
Queen of the Angels and Queen of the May,Our voices ascending,
In harmony blending,
Oh, thus may our hearts turn
Dear Mother, to thee;
Oh, thus shall we prove thee
How truly we love thee,
How dark without Mary
Life's journey would be.
Y'all can spend the rest of your lives arguing with Tumbler and Debra if you choose, it's a free society we live in. In the end none of you will change anyone else's mind. You will manage to anger some of those who you dispute with. Faith is what faith is. I am secure in mine and have no need to argue it with anyone else. I have reduced my "face" time at this site. It has gone far astray from the intentions of its founders.
excellent posting, misterbill
May 25, 2007 - 10:06 ET by tumblerI must commend you for showing this high level of reverence to the Most Blessed Virgin Mary, and recalling May, month devoted to her by the Church's faithful.
As for your reluctance to participate, I also understand. Not all are granted by Our Lord the special charism of speaking out orally for the Holy Faith (Santa Fe, a little Spanish lingo there.) Yet you'll do so perfectly well interiorly; with a prayer offered up for the conversion of sinners.
I also intended if possible, to lay off this argument at least for now. I don't like to pour it on non-stop. The reason I did it yesterday was to get some obstinate friends up to snuff on these hard questions about Catholic devotion to Jesus' holy mother. Many carry around some really curious misconceptions about it. As for the thread having been diverted a ways; so what ? Give a good soul the choice between Rosie O'Donnell and the Holy Virgin, and Rosie is quickly dismissed from our thoughts. --Seems a no-brainer to me.
Mary had other children after
May 25, 2007 - 15:41 ET byMary had other children after Jesus. She did not stay a virgin.
Mary had only one, JESUS
May 25, 2007 - 15:51 ET by tumblerYou know you can't name any other son of Mary in scripture except Jesus.
Maybe just the holy apostle John, after Jesus said to him, "Son, behold thy mother." Mary is a Virgin even today. The Holy Spirit is witness, Debra.
Tumbler,Mary was married. Fac
May 26, 2007 - 02:30 ET byTumbler,
Mary was married. She had other children, like James. And you cannot show me a place in Scripture saying she remained a virgin. There is, however, Scripture that says that Josheph did not have sex with her till after Jesus was born.
Mt 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
Face it, Tumbler. The woman 'got it on.' You are 68 years old, Tumbler. It is time to grow up and not get grossed out at the thought of sex. Sex is a beautiful thing between a husband and wife and it is Biblical for a woman to give herself to her husband. Had Mary not, she would have been sinning.
Debra...
:o)
debra, now you did it
May 26, 2007 - 07:46 ET by LionKingSo that's how to get tumbler to give up. Talk about sex!!! Or even better, Saint Mary, the Madonna, having SEX!!!
I guess tumbler forgot about his brother James.
poor idiots abound here
May 26, 2007 - 16:32 ET by tumblerIdiots who think they're good Christians abound now, in this thread. James is a relative, a cousin of Jesus as was Jude Thaddeus. But it defeats and escapes you, brethren is the only word in Aramaic for kin, -- relatives. To say His "brother," or brethren is just saying a kinship exists between them.
Paul in his epsitles and in acts says Titus is his brother. But he didn't mean sibling. Neither was James a sibling of Jesus. Nowhere in the scripture does it say James, the brother of Jesus and son of Mary. (Mary remained a virgin, immaculate--) But you idiots will invent it as scriptural, for the sole reason you must discredit the Catholic Church. What else can a useless idiot (when it comes to scriptural interpretation) do--? Invent.
The worst of the lot is Debra; who though her ideas are idiotic, -- vanity leads her to think she can teach from the Bible. Her biblical wisdom is actually a fall into the abyss. Poor blind one. She preaches damnation.
1"Do not judge, or you t
May 26, 2007 - 16:57 ET by vrwc131"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Matthew 7
Right out of Scripture Tumby
Because you do not answer directly the questions asked but spew out more condemnation, I will take the advice of Matthew 7:6...adious amigos
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adios, hurry back
May 26, 2007 - 17:27 ET by tumblerI judge the actions and ideas of sinners, and not the sinners. They will be judged on the last day, as I will be. I didn't "spew condemnation," I only lament the presence of idiots here; acting like scriptural scholars. IT IS LAMENTABLE !
If we consider what I'm saying, it has only one judgment in it: the lack of wisdom apparent in some who DO in fact try to judge. --Debra, for instance; has passed final judgment on others. She concludes they aren't in the grace of God. Only she is. --Worse yet, she presumes to preach how they can be saved; despite not knowing beans about it.
And we just saw a sinner here impugn the mother of Our Holy Redeemer by the lowest standards of a hedonist and sinner-- the sexual urge. --Christ, who is infinitely HOLY, has to tolerate a sinner saying His own MOTHER was no better than a second-hand bed-mate to another sinner after having given birth to the Son of God. It boggles the mind how much darkness is in this world. If Tumbler is judging, why haven't I stated they will go to hell for this ?
Because only Jesus Christ can sit in judgment, on the Last Day. He will separate the sheep and the goats. I'll pray for the conversion of sinners. Not because I'm NOT a sinner. But because we ALL must repent or be damned. Especially unbelievers who mislead Christ's flock.
misterbill,Actually, there ar
May 25, 2007 - 15:38 ET bymisterbill,
Actually, there are many true believers who came out of the Catholic church and many who are still in it and will one day come out.
People are greatly helped by reading sites. Not everyone posts.
Debra...
Likewise there are fundamenta
May 25, 2007 - 16:28 ET by BDLikewise there are fundamentalist christians who go the other way as well, joining the Roman or Eastern orthodox church.
What is your point?
I highly doubt that a true be
May 26, 2007 - 02:38 ET byI highly doubt that a true believer would ever join the Catholic church after getting saved.
Debra...
Thank you misterb.
May 25, 2007 - 15:44 ET by bigtimerThank you misterb.
Jesus Changes Water to Wine
May 24, 2007 - 16:14 ET by vrwc13Jesus Changes Water to Wine
1On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus' mother was there, 2and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. 3When the wine was gone, Jesus' mother said to him, "They have no more wine."
4"Dear woman, why do you involve me?" Jesus replied, "My time has not yet come."
5His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever he tells you."
6Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.[a]
7Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.
8Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."
They did so, 9and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10and said, "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now." John 2 Huh?thank you vrwc13
May 24, 2007 - 16:22 ET by tumblerYes; that's where by the intercession of Christ's holy mother, a wonderful favor was granted. It's fitting that this was shown us by JOHN, the apostle whom Jesus loved; who was later entrusted by Jesus with the care of His mother. (19 :26-27 John's gospel).
s..t...r...e...t...c...hface
May 24, 2007 - 16:25 ET by vrwc13s..t...r...e...t...c...h
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T . . . R . . . U . . . T. . . .H
May 24, 2007 - 16:40 ET by tumblerIf it means some other thing, what is the other thing ? You claim to study the Bible. Here you skip over something you find inconvenient to your --er wisdom.
BTW; all protestants insist that Jesus was speaking malarkey when He stated very plainly:
"Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man, and drink His blood; you shall not have life in you." (John 6 :54 and all that chapter.)
Why do youz all dance a two-step out of there, when you read it ? Is it because there is shown the truth known by all believing Catholics ? That the Holy Eucharist is the bread that has come down from heaven, for the spiritual life of His believers --? Subsequently clarified again by the words of Jesus at the Last Supper, and by Paul in 1 Cor 11 :23 --? You deny the real presence of Jesus in His Church, as our food and drink ? Even though His words are very explicit.
out of context
May 24, 2007 - 16:47 ET by LionKing"Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man, and drink His blood; you
shall not have life in you." (John 6 :54 and all that chapter.)
What does the next verse say? ... "For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed."
May 24, 2007 - 16:57 ET by
metaphor
May 26, 2007 - 02:40 ET bymetaphor
His discourse with the multit
May 24, 2007 - 16:49 ET by vrwc13His discourse with the multitude.
The flesh and blood of the Son of man, denote the Redeemer in the nature of man; Christ and him crucified, and the redemption wrought out by him, with all the precious benefits of redemption; pardon of sin, acceptance with God, the way to the throne of grace, the promises of the covenant, and eternal life. These are called the flesh and blood of Christ, because they are purchased by the breaking his body, and the shedding of his blood. Also, because they are meat and drink to our
souls. Eating this flesh and drinking this blood mean believing in Christ. We partake of Christ and his benefits by faith. The soul that rightly knows its state and wants, finds whatever can calm the conscience, and promote true holiness, in the redeemer, God manifest in the flesh. Meditating upon the cross of Christ gives life to our repentance, love, and gratitude. We live by him, as our bodies live by our food. We live by him, as the members by the head, the branches by the root: because he
lives we shall live also. (Jn 6:60-65)
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If this is to be taken litera
May 24, 2007 - 16:53 ET by vrwc13If this is to be taken literally, then why does the wine and wafer not turn to real flesh and blood when you partake?
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tumbler was trying to provoke
May 24, 2007 - 16:57 ET by LionKingtumbleweed was trying to provoke by not inlcuding the full context. This is a common practice among cultists. (relax tumbler, I am not calling you a cultist)
it is literally so
May 24, 2007 - 17:03 ET by tumblerWe know; because every chance Jesus got, He stressed to His followers the urgent matter of complete, unwavering faith in Him. He knew that when they would at length be confronted with this REVEALED TRUTH,
Many would find it too hard to take. (People just like you.) FAITH is the requisite condition for believing something that we don't understand.
The wafer, as you refer to it, is Jesus' living, aware and real Body; not bread. It is before us under the APPEARANCE of bread. Same with His Blood; it exists mysteriously under the same appearance as before consecration. but it's no longer wine. It shares the same properties, but is changed into His blood, which was shed for us on the cross. In case you still rebel against this truth, read the words of Paul in 1 Cor 11-- passages that challenge you to BELIEVE. If you do not believe the words of Jesus Christ, reading them in the Bible you treasure so much;
DON"T CALL YOURSELF A BELIEVER.
.
I am a believer because I bel
May 24, 2007 - 17:08 ET by vrwc13I am a believer because I believe in Him, you, it appears, believe in your church.
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being judged by TUMBLER
May 24, 2007 - 17:19 ET by LionKingHow does it feel to be judged by tumbler? He has called you an unbeliever and I have been called a liar (twice) by him.
Judge not, that ye be not judged. Matt: 7:1
Oh NO! NOT THAT. Judged by Tu
May 24, 2007 - 17:22 ET by ThisnThatOh NO! NOT THAT. Judged by Tumbler??? Is there a written record? Is there time to say your last good-byes? Can you have a last meal? You don't know what it's like --- to be judged by Tumbler.
I'm not judging
May 24, 2007 - 17:23 ET by tumblerI haven't judged. I hope for everyone's salvation. You need help, is all. BTW; when we tell lies, that means we're liars. You tell big ones. About the mother of God, in fact. That's HEAVY . . .
I haven't judged. You need
May 24, 2007 - 17:26 ET byI haven't judged. You need help, is allI
you contradict yourself
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Excellent, BOTG!
May 24, 2007 - 17:27 ET by ThisnThatExcellent, BOTG!
tumbler ... you just lied
May 24, 2007 - 17:27 ET by LionKingMary is not the mother of God. She is the earthly virgin mother of Jesus.
btw, when have I lied? I provided a link to substantiate my claim. You never countered the claim, you merely dodged the issue and called me a liar...for the third time.
mary has to be the mother of God
May 24, 2007 - 17:35 ET by tumblerYou are at the most superficial level of believing any revealed truth. GOD reveals those things, not men, Lion.
Mary is absolutely the mother of God.
If you deny she is, you deny Jesus is God. A mother of a Person is his mother. the Person known as Jesus is True God and True Man; natures that are in ONE person. He's unique in this respect.
Mary did not just bear a man. She bore the Man who is God. The Son of God. These are some of the ineffable, divine truths that you've been deprived of knowing, because you are NOT in Christ's Holy Church. You are under the influence of mere mortal men, who aren't even authorized to be teaching theology. But maybe you'll still be saved. SOMEHOW.
TJesus, the ONLY begotten, be
May 24, 2007 - 17:40 ET byT
Jesus, the ONLY begotten, begotten NOT made has always been and always will be. Mary like us was born and has a begining. Jesus was before Mary, how then can she be His mother?
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
botg digs himself a hole
May 24, 2007 - 18:40 ET by tumbler"Jesus was before Mary, how then can she be His mother?"
Now he's (is it he or she ?) he's denying Mary is mother of Jesus, the Son of God. Against everything spoken in the scriptures.
Hello ?
no Eugene
May 24, 2007 - 18:43 ET byT
Mary was the chosen vessel to bear the body of Our Lord for 9 months during His Incarnation. Jesus had existence BEFORE that. You are ducking.
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
I should duck YOU ? Haha!
May 24, 2007 - 18:52 ET by tumblerJesus is GOD. Mary is His ONLY mother; there wasn't any other except her.
She is the mother of God; and if you deny the fact, you deny Jesus is God. --Ipso facto, Kid ! I'm interested in helping you see; not ducking. Admit she's the mother of God according to the scriptures. It won't hurt, I assure you !
Re-assertion does not answer
May 24, 2007 - 18:55 ET byRe-assertion does not answer the logic and yes you are attempting to deflect
Tumbler, we will pray for you
May 24, 2007 - 18:44 ET by vrwc13Tumbler, we will pray for you...so close yet so far away.
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Tumbler
May 24, 2007 - 18:53 ET byEugene,
Mary is born of the lineage of David.
Read Luke 20:41-47 very carefully, it speaks to the core of my question.
don't try to explain
May 24, 2007 - 19:03 ET by tumblerDear B O,
Mary is Jesus' holy mother, Virgin and Mother. This is Catholic doctrine, infallible.
Jesus is God made Man. His being Man is not just a fact, it's revealed by God Himself. The angel told Mary: "The Lord God will give him the throne of David His father (in the flesh.) (Luke 1 :32.)
She consented to become His mother, but not only in the flesh.
Later Jesus explained to His disciples: "I and the Father are One." Making Mary, His holy mother Mother of God. You say you're able to discern a difference; but all you're doing is denying the truth in holy scripture. You become a heretic by doing this.
Didn't even read it did you?
May 24, 2007 - 19:07 ET byDidn't even read it did you?
You also assume my position without reading that
Tumbler,Jesus 'came' here as
May 24, 2007 - 21:40 ET byTumbler,
Jesus 'came' here in the flesh. Yes, Jesus is God and has always been. Jesus is fully man and fully God. This is the Gospel that Christ came, died on the cross and rose from the dead that we may live.
Jn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Debra...
tumbler ...your ignorance supercedes your arrogance
May 24, 2007 - 17:42 ET by LionKingSo...was Mary around when God created everything in 7 days?
I am very familiar with the Trinity and I understand the concept. Mary's purpose was to bear the child Jesus so that he could live a sinless life and pay for the remission of sin. Jesus's death, burial, and resurrection was God's gift to us if we would accept it.
Find ONE scripture that calls Mary the mother of God, and I will concede. [No double-talk about Jesus being God, either.]
tumbler...waiting for a response if you can?
May 24, 2007 - 19:04 ET by LionKingtumbler...waiting for a response if you can?
elevated???
May 24, 2007 - 17:44 ET by LionKingAt least I am now just superficial and not a liar.
I appreciate how you actually address the facts. In the link, where is it wrong that he claims that Mary is the co-redeemer?
Mary Co-Redeemer dated 5/16/2
May 24, 2007 - 17:57 ET by vrwc13Mary Co-Redeemer dated 5/16/2007:
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-religion/1834733/posts?page=206
Other Popes: Many popes have exalted Mary as mediator and advocate. Examples are Leo XIII (1878-1903), Pope Pius X (1903-1914), and Pius XII (1939-1958). During a radio message concluding the Jubilee of the Redemption, April 28, 1935, Pius XI (1922-1939) gave the title Co-redemptrix to Mary.
Vatican Council II:
It was held in the mid-1060s, and gave Virgin Mary the titles Co-Redeemer, Mediator, Advocate:
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Pope John Paul II has always
May 24, 2007 - 18:13 ET by vrwc13Pope John Paul II has always declared his devotion to Mary and before his death he wishes to use his power of infallibility to elevate Mary to the status of co-redeemer with Jesus.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-19633321.html
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vrwc...do not expect a lucid response
May 24, 2007 - 18:26 ET by LionKingvrwc...do not expect a lucid response from tumbler. He will retort with something like an ad hominem attack, but nothing of real substance.
LionKing, I know, but he has
May 24, 2007 - 18:34 ET by vrwc13LionKing, I know, but he has been gone for awhile and he and I have a lot of catching up to do. We must teach him how to "Google", it would save him a lot of trouble of not knowing just what he claims to believe in.
btw: notice how he disappears when confronted with fact?
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Please correct me if it was n
May 26, 2007 - 02:45 ET byPlease correct me if it was not you.... But, wasn't it you, Tumbler, who did not want to believe that Jesus always has been, because "How can Mary be His mother, if he was before her?" Yet, you believe that she is the mother of God. Do you think that God was not around before Mary?
And please don't get me wrong, I believe that Jesus is God and that Jesus has always been. Scripture says that He has always been.
Debra...
slippery debby
May 26, 2007 - 13:03 ET by tumblerI see your sophism exceeds your intellectual honesty. Not unusual for religious fanatics.
Yes, there's a mystery in this truth, but it's a revealed truth, whatcha going to do ?
Christ is True God and True Man. The Person of Jesus has two natures; a mystery. That is why Jesus cried, "Why have you forsaken me ?" at the end of His earthly life. He was a man being crucified, after all.
He is Man, but He is eternally the Son, and His holy mother did not give Him the life He lives in eternity. He is without beginning or end. Another unfathomable mystery. BUT,
One thing is truly indisputable. He was incarnated and Mary is mother of the Incarnate God. Mother of that PERSON, Jesus Christ who even incarnate doesn't cease being God. She is mother of God in Jesus Christ. His humanity cannot be separated or distinguished from His Godhead, He is ONE.
If you are unable to understand, I have nothing to add for your benefit. But it's quite unarguable Mary is the mother of God. To deny that is to deny Jesus is God.
mary has to be the mother of God
May 24, 2007 - 17:35 ET by tumblerYou are at the most superficial level of believing any revealed truth. GOD reveals those things, not men, Lion.
Mary is absolutely the mother of God.
If you deny she is, you deny Jesus is God. A mother of a Person is his mother. the Person known as Jesus is True God and True Man; natures that are in ONE person. He's unique in this respect.
Mary did not just bear a man. She bore the Man who is God. The Son of God. These are some of the ineffable, divine truths that you've been deprived of knowing, because you are NOT in Christ's Holy Church. You are under the influence of mere mortal men, who aren't even authorized to be teaching theology. But maybe you'll still be saved. SOMEHOW.
I think you think
May 24, 2007 - 17:20 ET by tumblerYou think you're a believer. It's better than nothing, than being a devil.
God has to give you faith. I haven't that competence. But I can and I have explained the truth to you. It's all I have to offer. If you reject it, so be it. Do as you please.
JN 6:63It is the Spirit that
May 24, 2007 - 17:17 ET byJN 6:63
It is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh doesn't: the words that i tell you; they are spirit and they are life
Compare also to Isaiah and John in the Revelation of Jesus where they are told to eat the scroll
(fits better here)
tumbles, are you telling me t
May 24, 2007 - 16:54 ET by bassndudetumbles, are you telling me that protestants do not partake of the Lords Supper? My friend, I would have to call you on that one. While it may be true that, unlike Catholics, we do not at every service, funerals or weddings. But it is heald sacred and we always take at Easter and Christmas and such. Holy Eucharist alone will not save one either. As a matter of fact, a non beliver participating in such will be dealt with severely by God.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Bassndude, at my church (whic
May 24, 2007 - 16:59 ET by vrwc13Bassndude, at my church (which is a evangelical family integrated one), we partake every week and we too take it very seriously. Each is asked to be sure of their faith and for parents to disern with their children on their taking of the elements.
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vrwc13, I also attend an evan
May 24, 2007 - 17:03 ET by bassndudevrwc13, I also attend an evangelical church. It was not my intent to belittle taking it every week. There is nothing wrong with that. I was just saying that we take it a paticular times to note events in the life of Christ our Lord. Not that you cant take it every week and not still hold it very sacred.
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he is one hand clapping
May 24, 2007 - 17:17 ET by tumblerHere's an enlightened protestant. He believes in the Lord's Supper.
I know some sects (despite denying the Church) are faithful in small things. Thank God they still believe in Baptism.
Your sect applies only a figurative meaning to the reception of bread and wine, Dude. Not the true and real presence of Jesus in this mystery. It's a symbol of his Body and His Blood, for you.
In any case; nothing real is accomplished, since there isn't an ordained, true priest at your consecration. You have no ties at all to the holy priesthood as ordained by Christ's apostles. The so-called reformation abolished them.
You once did; when you were Catholics in the past. Now your church is an autonomous free-lance make believe church. In fact, you value only the Bible. But I concede that even so-- many a good soul will be saved out of your number, despite the misleading doctrines of your ministers of the past. Soon I trust (in God) all of us will be reunited once more; before the end.
I am awake now, could I get i
May 25, 2007 - 09:18 ET by Senior ChiefI am awake now, could I get in...Tumbler, you mentioned "Holy Eucharist"- the mass (not Biblical you know that) is a sacrifice, and one of the 7 sacraments (again not Biblical) that Catholics must pursue. Here are the other 6 (again not Biblical)...
Infant Baptism, Confirmation, Annointing of the sick, Penance, Holy matrimony and Priesthood. Not all of "faithful" catholics can pursue all 7, because Holy matrimony and Priesthood are contracdictory. So, the maximum is 6. By the way, without the sacraments, the "faithful" catholics cannot function as a church.
The final question: if ever a catholic complies with the 7 sacraments, will she/he get to heaven when she/he dies? If the answer is "hope so" or "don't know", then the religion is false and vain...The Bible says, "Search the Scripture for in them you'll find eternal life"- which eternity you prefer? Eternal life in hell or eternal life in heaven...
reply to senior chief:
May 25, 2007 - 13:07 ET by tumblerYesterday I failed to notice this post. Hope I can answer now, if Chief wants to read.
"Tumbler, you mentioned "Holy Eucharist"- the mass (not Biblical you know that) --" Reply: Yes, it's certainly supported by scripture in John Chpt 6, and 1 Cor 11 by the apostle Paul. Look it up.
" --is a sacrifice, and one of the 7 sacraments (again not Biblical) that Catholics must pursue. Reply: All seven are acts made sacramental by the words of Jesus Christ. I can quote the text of each one, if you wish. They are sacraments because Christ instituted (taught us) all of them personally.
Infant Baptism, Confirmation, Annointing of the sick, Penance, Holy matrimony and Priesthood. Not all of "faithful" Catholics can pursue all 7, because Holy matrimony and Priesthood are contradictory. So, the maximum is 6. By the way, without the sacraments, the "faithful" Catholics cannot function as a church." Reply: --The Church functions perfectly because her Founder is perfect; He's GOD, 2nd Person of the Trinity. CHRIST established the Church as well as the sacraments. He gave them the power of dispensing His GRACE, merited by His death on the cross. If you have no genuine sacraments, you have no access to grace as He saw fit to give it.
"The final question: if ever a catholic complies with the 7 sacraments, will she/he get to heaven when she/he dies? If the answer is "hope so" or "don't know", then the religion is false and vain...Reply: Your opinion in this materr isn't the teaching of Christ, who specifies for all mankind what WILL and what WON'T bring His grace down to you and me. And, without His grace nobody will be saved, period. No matter WHAT. Answering your overall inquiry: The faithful soul who has the sacraments and believes in Jesus Christ Our Savior will go to everlasting life and there reign with HIM forever after. Jesus has PROMISED it !
"The Bible says, "Search the Scripture for in them you'll find eternal life"- which eternity you prefer? Eternal life in hell or eternal life in heaven..." Reply: That is at least relatively true. But what if you and your brethren learn to see the text in a different aspect than the teachings of the apostles ? --They aren't here to save you from ignorance and erroneous interpretations. Such as you show me above, disputing what is definitely proved in the Bible, Christ's offering of the Eucharist (For just one blatant instance of human error.)
I clarify: They ( Christ's apostles) aren't here to save you from ignorance and erroneous interpretations. But they ARE in the Catholic Church, in their successors the bishops. And in Peter's successor, the Pope. You would like to think that's not scriptural ? But it really MUST be; or else Jesus Christ misled and deceived His Church, when He promised to be with her "all days, even to the end of the world." And when He promised Peter the keys of the kingdom of heaven. He did NOT place the keys of the kingdom of heaven in your Bible. He only entrusted them to the apostles. And the Catholic Church is the Church of the apostles; there is no other.
tumbles, yes, entrusted to Jo
May 24, 2007 - 16:30 ET by bassndudetumbles, yes, entrusted to John, but not Peter for Peter had more work to do in spreading the Word and caring for churches. If Mary was entrusted with such a powerful position, why was she not entrusted to Peter? The one who would founded the chruch?
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Yes, the RCC teaches the fals
May 24, 2007 - 19:43 ET byYes, the RCC teaches the false teaching that Mary saves. The RCC Catechism says:
"Taken up to heaven she (Mary) did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation..." Pg. 252, #969
"Being obedient she (Mary) became the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race." Pg. 125, #494
you can't be serious
May 24, 2007 - 22:25 ET by tumbler"Yes, the RCC teaches the false teaching that Mary saves. The RCC Catechism says: blah blah."
There is nothing in the Catechism teaching Mary has been the agent of anyone's salvation. Period. Manifold intercession refers to her prayers for those who call on her. (She actually gives you and me holy intercession with her Divine Son. YEP ! ! ! IT WORKS.)
Her obedience WAS, effectively the cause of Our Savior's birth. If the salvation of the whole human race DID NOT depend on His birth, say so. --Make a clear statement; was Mary disobedient the cause of Jesus coming into the world ?
Tumbler,That is a copy paste
May 25, 2007 - 15:46 ET byTumbler,
That is a copy paste right from the RCC Catechism.
Debra...
dear confused debra
May 25, 2007 - 15:55 ET by tumblerI can't figure what you're talking about. But it can't matter.
it won't happen
May 24, 2007 - 15:58 ET by tumblerNo, your head won't be examined, for asking a good question.
Here's the absolute, true and indisputable answer:
It can't happen; because Jesus Christ promised us it wouldn't. Since the Catholic Church is HIS Church, and the apostles taught HIS truth, and the BIBLE exists because HE gave it to her,
The contradiction can never be. His Church is One Church, that is, one Lord, one faith, one baptism. (Eph 4 :5) The Church is a living body; as in a living body, there's one mind; Christ's. The One from where both Church and Scripture originate. If you reject the Church, how will you uphold the Bible, the only book whose entire authority and truth is upheld by a certification of the same Church ?
The HOLY SPIRIT is in the Church to keep her from ever teaching falsely anything concerning morality and/or faith. Jesus promised it to her, in John, 14 :16-17. In a later verse: "You have not chosen me; but I have chosen you, and have appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain," (John 15 :16,) up a few more, "When the Advocate has come whom I will send you (the CHURCH) from the Father; He will bear witness concerning me. And you also bear witness, because from the beginning you are with me." (John 15 :26).
If He meant their fruit to REMAIN, as said above; where is it ? In the teaching of the CHURCH, who is Christianity's proper interpreter of biblical truth. And, undeniably, she remains with us all days, even to the end of the world. Just as He promised.
It already has happened tum
May 24, 2007 - 16:05 ET by MightyMouthIt already has happened tumbler:
"Call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who
is in heaven" (Matt. 23:9).
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Hey Tumbler! 1 Timothy 2:5
May 24, 2007 - 21:58 ET by Free StinkerHey Tumbler,
How come you've never responded to my question about people interpreting scripture on their own, especially I Timothy 2:5?
At least, I don't recall that you ever did answer.
Tumby, off our meds today?Sho
May 24, 2007 - 15:43 ET by vrwc13Tumby, off our meds today?
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faith from God
May 24, 2007 - 15:51 ET by LionKingtumbleweed
...Faith is not from God...it is Faith in God. God exhibits mercy and grace to us and gives salvation to those that ask for it and by accepting the atonement of His son, Jesus Christ.
As for the scripture about Faith without works is dead...again, Faith has nothing to do with salvation. This stems from the premise to be Christ-like, we should not act like a Christian, just be a Christian.
Tumbler,"Faith without w
May 24, 2007 - 19:25 ET byTumbler,
"Faith without works is dead." ---This Scripture is speaking very matter-a-factually. That if someone says that they have faith, but he has no works, then his faith is dead. Reason being? True and living faith, produces works.
A lamp will not work, no matter what bulb you put in it, if is not plugged into the source of power.
Debra...
you're quite right
May 24, 2007 - 19:34 ET by tumblerI agree, debra. Therefore, people who indicate works are just superfluous, and gain us nothing, are mistaken. God expects us to bear much fruit. no ands, ifs or buts. Faith ALONE can't serve God.
no no no... Tumbler,Works gai
May 24, 2007 - 21:45 ET byno no no... Tumbler,
Works gain believers crowns in heaven, but not salvation. Works are a product of faith in Christ, not the cause of faith in Christ.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Debra...
tumbler, God's Word tells us
May 24, 2007 - 19:35 ET bytumbler,
God's Word tells us to, "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
Scripture also says, "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."
There is not to be any private interpretation, which means that it is for all who call on Christ in truth, that the Holy Spirit will reveal His word to anyone who is in Christ Jesus. Scripture is not for a select few who are 'privy' to its interpretation. And it cannot be interpreted to be whatever some private group wishes for it to say. It says what God says it says. Scripture is Spiritually discerned, by the Holy Spirit, not man.
1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
(This would include the RCC.)
Debra...
you are not an authority
May 24, 2007 - 21:46 ET by tumblerDear Debra:
There is no authority behind what you say here. It's all strictly opinion. You have persuaded yourself that somehow the Holy Spirit takes you, a human individual, under His tutelage. He hasn't; and you have no authority.
But you are as many others, self-serving. Picture the lonely, lost sheep, far from the sheepfold and his shepherd. The shepherd assigned the obligation to guard his sheep.
And, for reasons not very clear; a sheep who decides the wilderness outside his fold is preferrable to the comfort and safety of his flock. He's unwilling to be a sheep; he has delusions of shepherding other sheep instead. That is Debra today. I blame the devil. He has no intention of allowing you to come back to the Church, because he wants you damned. So; the devil strokes your vanity. he assures you you're capable of knowing the truth, even while you linger in your unconfessed, unabsolved and unrecognized sins. You won't be other than a self-serving accomplice.
He wants you to stay comfortably in sin. And he knows how to achieve this. He will help you as you misinterpret all relevant scriptural passages, to your final damnation. You are keeping company with Satan, unawares. Does this all mean I hate you, or disrespect you as a person ?
No. I want your soul as God brought it to salvation in Baptism. Unspotted and filled with sanctifying grace. You have to be humble. That's the price you must pay to be a true believer. Give up your self-assurance; place your trust in Jesus and carry your cross. Not your illusions and vanities. They come from the devil.
Dear Tumbler,The Bible, God's
May 24, 2007 - 21:56 ET byDear Tumbler,
The Bible, God's Word is the final authority, and it teaches me this.
"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever." Psalm 119: 160
"The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." Psalm 12:6-7
:o)
dear debra
May 24, 2007 - 22:14 ET by tumblerHave you for certain received God's actual forgiveness for your sins ? Have you even confessed all the sins of your life ? Will reading the Bible grant you forgiveness of sins ?
Your blessed Italian forebears are forgiven because they were faithful. You are unfaithful, I hate to tell you. These quotes above are excellent, but they're irrelevant to what we've discussed so far. Final authority is in Christ our King and Judge, not the Bible. The Bible is silent; you won't hear Yes or No from it. You'll discover nothing there when the devil misleads your ego.
Tumbler, Please read what you
May 24, 2007 - 22:42 ET byTumbler,
Please read what you just posted to me. You just said that the Word of God is 'irrelevant' and that the Bible is 'silent.'
2 Timothy 3 - 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
1 Corinthians 2 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
2 Peter 1 - 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
2 Timothy 2 - 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Tumbler, The Bible is very relevant and is loud and clear to the person who is of God. Dear Tumbler, if you do not understand God's word, if you find it foolish, then you dear Tumbler, need to call on Christ in truth. The Bible is God's Word, Jesus is Lord God and He says that His sheep know Him and hear His voice. I hear His voice in His word, Tumbler.
The Spirit bears witness with mine that I am God's child. I have repented of all of my sins and called on Christ in truth. I invite you to do the same.
Jesus said, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
-----Jn 5:39
Hah - good one. Libs have the
May 24, 2007 - 15:00 ET by TruthMongerHah - good one. Libs have these numbers somwhere to determine if yer a "good person" or not...and I think they were used for the movie "Ghost?"
They also have many neat numbers from a gay discussion we had here yesterday - see if you can guess these today - answers at 5PM central:
1. Theory1: How many "gay-feelings and thoughts" synapses must fire in your brain before you can be officially declared "born gay" without any choice in the matter?
2. Theory2: How many gay sex ACTS must a person CHOOSE to perform before they offically become gay? 5? 10? 20?
Libs and a lot of non-libs ha
May 24, 2007 - 15:09 ET by vrwc13Libs and a lot of non-libs have this idea of "earning" our way to heaven. But on a scale of 1 to 100, where does one have to fall to make it? Does God grade on a curve? He says we must be "perfect" or at 100. I am not, but thank God His Son was, and he paid it all for me.
face piles of trials with smiles
Yes, vrwc13, and why don't th
May 24, 2007 - 19:03 ET byYes, vrwc13, and why don't they just take insurance policies out and make the RCC the beneficiary of them all, so that they are not stuck in "Purgatory." Some do not like that I say this, but it shows the giant loop hole in the RCC's teachings. ..... Debra
TUMBLER!!!!!!!! You are back!
May 24, 2007 - 18:55 ET byTUMBLER!!!!!!!! You are back!!!!!!! I knew it was a mistake.
And you just keep on praying for me and I will keep praying for you. And when you come to see things correctly, I promise not to say, "I told you so."
hehe...
Good to see you back, Tumbler. I like you.
Debra...
:o)
By all means thanks, Debra
May 24, 2007 - 19:25 ET by tumblerI'm happy to greet you again. How is our favorite fallen-away Catholic ? Getting a little wiser, or just fatter ?
Ouch; Come on Tumbler !
I haven't been "wrong" and again I recall to you the blessed ancestors of your line. All were Catholics faithful to Christ and His Vicar on earth, the Pope. Recently I was in Rome, where Peter and Paul were martyred for Christ. Marvelous. There is a city you could love.
Every part of it speaks of FAITH, the undying kind of faith. Oh; and I saw the entire list. --All Catholic bishops of Rome, from Peter to the present Benedict XVI; mostly saints. A few were unworthy of their calling. Remember the twelve, however. One turned out the traitor Judas, and it didn't cause Jesus to disband them. He BLESSED His Church with myriads of saints. I even visited the actual site of Saint Cecilia's own home. She is Cecilia, Virgin and Martyr, in the days of the Caesars. I was born on the feast day of Cecilia. November 22nd. GLORY TO GOD !
lol.. Tumbler,Thank you... lo
May 24, 2007 - 21:52 ET bylol.. Tumbler,
Thank you... loll...
And I cannot be a fallen-away Catholic, if I was never a Catholic to begin with. And only my dad's side (Italian) is from Italy and was/is Catholic. And one more "And" --there is no such thing as a stand in (vicar) of Christ, such teaching comes from the spirit of the anti-Christ who wishes to be the stand in for Christ.
And <----another and... hehe.... I still love ya....
Debra...
:o)
I see
May 24, 2007 - 22:02 ET by tumblerYou then believe that Jesus was lying or misleading Peter, when he told him, "I will give thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever thou shalt bind on earth (as the authorized Vicar) shall be be bound in heaven; and whatever thou shalt loose on earth (as Vicar of Christ) shall be loosed in heaven." (Matt 16 :19).
I thought you believed in the Word of God, but you can't believe. The devil stops you from coming to Him.
Tumbler, This is speaking ver
May 24, 2007 - 22:51 ET byTumbler,
This is speaking very matter-a-factually. A believer can tell who is and isn't of God, when using the keys (God's Word.)
When I tell someone the Gospel of Christ, if that person truly comes to repentance, I can say to that person, "You are born again in Christ and one of His now, a true believer." But on the same hand, I can tell someone who rejects the gospel, "You are not of God, you reject Christ." ---When I do this, I am not saving them, nor am I judging them for salvation. I am making a judgment call based on what God has shown me in His Word.
Jesus was basically telling Peter that Peter would be able to know who is and who isn't of God. All true believers can know, when we go by the word of God.
"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." Isaiah 43:11
"Yet I am the LORD thy God... there is no saviour beside me." Hosea 13:4
Debra...
Truth,I was always taught tha
May 24, 2007 - 13:51 ET by Dave RTruth,
I was always taught that we would each be held to the exact same level of standards that we have held others to.
I hope for Debra's sake that she is one heck of a pole-vaulter. :-)
Yes, good one Dave...I think
May 24, 2007 - 14:32 ET by TruthMongerYes, good one Dave...
I think Billy Graham said it very well when someone asked him "what's the first thing you'll say when you get to Heaven?"
He said "I don't deserve to be here!"
So what does that say about me then...? Very scary...
hmm...Am I still speaking to
May 24, 2007 - 22:58 ET byhmm...
Am I still speaking to you, Dave?
Dang... I have to start writing this stuff down!
If you could just tell me if you have ever called me a 'witch,' yelled at me to 'cease and desist' (or something like that), or threatened to report me to the CIA -- no wait a minute, I think that was to the FBI...hmm.... well to someone... If you could just tell me if you have ever done any of these things, it would be most helpful in my recalling if I have ever written you off.
Thank you and have a blessed night.
Debra...
Thank you, TruthMonger... I w
May 24, 2007 - 18:57 ET byThank you, TruthMonger... I will keep you words of wisdom in mind.
:o)
I wonder what Jesus thinks ab
May 24, 2007 - 12:34 ET by kathleenirishI wonder what Jesus thinks about you placing yourself in the role of arbiter of who is and who isn't a "true" Christian, D.?
katheleenirish, Jesus is who
May 24, 2007 - 12:39 ET bykatheleenirish,
Jesus is who told me (in His word) how to know if someone is or isn't one of His. And if you would like to discus this further, please feel free to make a topic under the forums. What I said here was on topic because it was commenting on what Rosie said to Elizabeth as oppose to what I have heard and that which I have not heard Elizabeth say. --I have heard Elizabeth criticize true Christianity, and I have never heard her say that she is a Christian. I hope this clears it up with you enough, however, if you wish to converse further on this, it should be done over in the forums from what I understand.
Thanks,
Debra...
We all make judgemnets as to
May 24, 2007 - 12:44 ET by Dan The Man 2We all make judgemnets as to who and who is not a Christian. We know them by their fruits. For example Al Gore who says he is affiliated with the SBC and doesnt know the basic verse John 3:16 and John 16:3 Our opinion of who and who is not a Christians doesnt matter except for our perposes, God knows and tahts all taht matetres.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
Al Gore Bible quotes
May 24, 2007 - 13:04 ET by Carl KolchakDan it appears that the Al Gore Bible verse misquote gets attributed to many people.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/g/gore.htm
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/k/kerrybible.htm
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/bush-bibleverse.htm
From Matthew 25:31-46
34Then the king will say to those at his right hand, “Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35 for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.” 37 Then the righteous will answer him, “Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink? 38And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing? 39 And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?” 40And the king will answer them, “Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family,* you did it to me.” 41Then he will say to those at his left hand, “You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.” 44 Then they also will answer, “Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not take care of you?” 45 Then he will answer them, “Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.” 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.’
Yes, DanIt helps us to know w
May 24, 2007 - 13:27 ET byYes, Dan
It helps us to know who we are dealing with.
Rosie's comment was typical of homosexuals because they are haters of God, so they ultimately blame Him and therefore blame all who are His. And those who disagree with homosexuals are assumed to be His.
As we see, it does not matter what the topic is. Even when the topic is not homosexual, the homosexuals cannot handle anyone disagreeing with them. They get verbally violent at times. Ultimately everything goes back to a person being anti-homosexuality, where homosexuals are concerned.
We can be sure that if Bush was pro-homosexuality, Rosie would be speaking well of all he does. Notice, she loves Hillary who voted to give Bush the go-ahead to go into this war. Hillary kisses up to homosexuals. There ya go....
Homosexuals have one thing on their mind 24/7; homosexuality. It is their religion. It is their lives. It is their very reason for waking in the morning. They are consumed by it.
People want to talk about the affairs of man, without mentioning God. As a great leader said, "I am convinced that God governs in the affairs of man." And God gives us insight to how people are.
Jefferson knew that if we look into a person's faith-beliefs, we can understand them better. That is why he had a Koran, to understand Muslims. And of course, we Christians put all other faiths (ways of life) up against God's true word. Many people want to shame us from doing this. People like Rosie would like it to be illegal in government for Christian officials to bring Christian beliefs into the equation. --It is interesting how homosexuals claim that they cannot perform their jobs without opening up their raincoats and exposing their perversion; but Christians are supposed to leave Christianity at home in the closet.
Our founding fathers knew that God's word gives insight into people's lives and is a measuring tool for all ways of life. I fully agree with them.
When I look at homosexuals, I look through the word of God and I see that they are their sin. They are homosexuals. Scripture speaks of sinners being their sin. When we look at homosexuals as Scripture describes them in Romans chapter 1 and that they are their sin, we are wiser to who and what they are; and we a wiser to the fact that they feed the beast with every opportunity they get.
Debra...
One doesn't make a "true
May 24, 2007 - 13:15 ET by Senior ChiefOne doesn't make a "true" Christian by virtue of his/her religious affiliation. It doesn't make one a "true" Christian either by going to church, praying, doing good works, following the ten commandments (which NOBODY can), and wagging his/her finger and telling others about his/her religion.
I've never watch the show nor knew Hasselbeck's Spiritual background, but Chirstians must bear fruit. A Christian means having a relationship with Christ as Lord and Saviour through Spiritual birth and eventaully becoming a disciple, and a follower...Yep, too deep and far out, but that's basic Christianity 101.
Senior Chief, couldn't agre
May 24, 2007 - 13:48 ET by terrigSenior Chief, couldn't agree with you more with your definition of "true Christians & how often they go to church", etc. Anyway, I generally find that those who have to shove their love of God down everyone's throat and tell us what good Christians they are generally aren't. I have generally found that in my experience throughout my life the one's who tell everyone how close to God they are and how absolutely wonderful their conversations with God are, are generally the rudest most obnoxious people I've ever met.
My sentiments exactly - my d
May 24, 2007 - 14:12 ET by FastEdMy sentiments exactly - my daughter had a friend who was as you state " . have to shove their love of God . ." and was then convinced and was no longer a "friend", after my daughter had a seizure, while in class, that my daughter was now possessed by satan, and therefore could, and would not associate with her anymore. Those kinds of friends and fanatics are not and will not, be appreciated by the rest of us.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Couldn't agree more than with
May 24, 2007 - 14:26 ET by bigtimerCouldn't agree more than with all three posts above...
I too have shared some of those same experiences also in my life.
Shoving something in one's face constantly does not make one right.
As far as I am concerned most of all religion...it should be a personal decision...unless asked for otherwise.
C'mon, we all know the TRUE
May 24, 2007 - 13:44 ET by balboaC'mon, we all know the TRUE Christians don't marry football players, especially second-string quarterbacks.
Football is the devil
May 24, 2007 - 19:04 ET by The PresbyterFootball is the devil
American Football, or World
May 24, 2007 - 22:04 ET by Free StinkerAmerican Football, or World (Soccer) Football ? ;-)
I guess American football.
May 26, 2007 - 12:34 ET by The PresbyterI guess American football. I was making a lame movie reference (Waterboy).
I for one don't see much wron
May 24, 2007 - 12:53 ET by QueenMumI for one don't see much wrong with what Debra had to say here, except for the generalization re: homosexuals. I think her take on the Rosie/Elizabeth relationship is spot on. Girls will be girls - even when they're not sure that they're girls.
The true question is:With fri
May 24, 2007 - 13:16 ET by Casey97The true question is:
With friends like Rosie, who needs enemas?
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With Democrat revisionist history and liberals guaranteeing the future (global warming, nuclear destruction, etc.) only the future is certain; the past is always changing.
loll.... Oh my gosh, Casey!..
May 24, 2007 - 13:29 ET byloll.... Oh my gosh, Casey!.... THAT was funny!!!
I see we are talking to ourse
May 24, 2007 - 14:24 ET by Airforce_5_OI see we are talking to ourselves again. Take the meds please.
"Life's tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid."
-John Wayne
This is what I like about con
May 24, 2007 - 16:00 ET by Senior ChiefThis is what I like about conservatives talking- discussions with passion and intelligently sharing ideas without resorting to name-calling (except the hated ones of course).
Oh, I just took 1000 mg motrin plus lipitor with aspirin...
::::: knocks you upside the h
May 24, 2007 - 21:59 ET by::::: knocks you upside the head :::::
You could have had a V8!
:o)
A debate we are all having ar
May 24, 2007 - 12:14 ET by bigtimerA debate we are all having around our kitchen tables....are they crazy...never-mind...of course they are.
Tells you all you need to know about the elitist world the leftist in the press live in!
Only subject that should of been discussed on ABC and the rest of the kind-hearted leftist media regarding Rabid Rosie is for someone in the left to make sure she considers serious help in a mental institution.....
Soon!
Maybe not kitchen tables, but
May 24, 2007 - 12:18 ET by tracheostomyMaybe not kitchen tables, but definitely in the workplace and over the blogosphere.
I've seen very similar conversations like this go down firsthand. Of course, it is the secular progressive that does the usual rhetorical questioning while failing to answer. EH hit a home run on that.
The problem is when the hometown conservative presses for full disclosure from the SP. You end up with a "bully" label slapped on your forehead. :rolleyes:
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Kitchen table debate? Only if
May 24, 2007 - 12:40 ET by Chris NormanKitchen table debate? Only if you share your kitchen with a large angry psycho lesbian with whacko liberal conspiracy theories. Yeah, your normal everyday American household...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Oh gee, I don't know about
May 24, 2007 - 14:38 ET by motherbeltOh gee, I don't know about you, but everybody I know, even at work, is always talking about the troops and how much we can criticize the war and still be supporting them. Isn't it like that in your circle? <sarc off>
David Gergen (Kennedy School of Government): "There are no clear lines
about how far you can go in criticizing a government during times of
war, but there are customs. One custom is you can criticize the
president, you can also criticize the generals but you can't criticize
the troops."
Apparently you can, if you do it sideways, like Rosie the O. You just tally up the dead, mention that our troops are in there, and there you go. Then you challenge others by asking them if they believe you think the troops are terrorists. Elisabeth should have jumped back with "Well what do you expect me to think when you say things like what you just said?" But she allowed Rosie to change the subject to what Hasselbeck was "accusing" her of, instead of what she said. That is a standard liberal arguing tactic.
"no clear lines"Spo
May 24, 2007 - 14:46 ET by TruthMonger"no clear lines"
Spoken like a true moral relativist...
Chris,LOL-Something tells me
May 24, 2007 - 14:52 ET by Dave RChris,
LOL-Something tells me that one would lose a great deal of weight in that situation, as not only would you lose your apetite, but should you manage to maintain even that, you would be left with only the crumbs that fall from her fat, stubby little fingers. :-)
Dave,If I knew there was a Ro
May 24, 2007 - 17:12 ET by Chris NormanDave,
If I knew there was a Rosie waiting for me in my kitchen, I'd probably weigh a lot less. New diet aid! :)
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
"You don't expect to see
May 24, 2007 - 13:33 ET by JPR1"You don't expect to see it on 'The View' do you?"
Uh Dan, where ya been? Have you ever watched the program?
Another MSM "journalist" right on top of things. Gheesh!
LMAO! You know, you gotta
May 24, 2007 - 14:51 ET by motherbeltLMAO! You know, you gotta wonder what he thinks is covered on "the View".
If this is, as he says, a debate that is playing out over kitchen tables across the country why on earth would it NOT be on "The View"?
Doesn't he know that every celebrity with 15 seconds of fame and airtime is a geopolitical expert??????
Perhaps she'll expand on her
May 24, 2007 - 13:33 ET by dahliatraversPerhaps she'll expand on her other theories
Yes, she's inadvertantly such a good advocate for our action in Iraq, what else can we get her talking about?
I've heard Congress has a pretty good immigration reform bill going, Rosie ...
Actually, all the talk I've h
May 24, 2007 - 13:47 ET by drillanwrActually, all the talk I've heard in the last 24 hours, from both right and left, is quite in the negative of Rosie and her thuggery, not the war.
I was going to ask you all yesterday (who actually watch The View) how the rest of the show played out. I stumbled across this video of Alicia Silverstone and her rudeness toward Elizabeth during yesterday's View:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoFH-BAHqN4
I heard Rosie was fighting with everyone
May 24, 2007 - 13:54 ET by RJI heard that Rosie was fighting with virtually everyone yesterday....she even had an argument with audience members.....
drillanwr,Thanks for that lin
May 24, 2007 - 13:57 ET by msh1973drillanwr,
Thanks for that link...Alicia who? What a stupid childish thing to do on show in which you are the guest! She obviously didn't learn good manners when she was a little girl. She should never be asked to appear on that show again. I might add her behavior is typical of snot nosed elite Hollywood types.
MSH1973, we're on the same
May 24, 2007 - 14:00 ET by terrigMSH1973, we're on the same page about manners. You posted a few seconds before I did. Too funny.
I guess "Clueless"
May 24, 2007 - 14:06 ET by Hero SquadI guess "Clueless" is more than just a movie she starred in.
*****
"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello
terrig,Great minds.....LOL!
May 24, 2007 - 16:03 ET by msh1973terrig,
Great minds.....LOL!
Thanks for posting this. I
May 24, 2007 - 13:58 ET by terrigThanks for posting this. I don't watch this either but had heard about this too on some local radio station. Alicia is rude but her acting isn't that great anymore either. She was in this Hallmark Hall of Fame show last year and I swear she seemed like she was stoned throughout the entire movie and it was terrible. I guess her mother never taught her manners because she sure made an ass out of herself. However, I doubt it registered with that dim bulb audience of theirs.
Why does the media make such
May 24, 2007 - 15:08 ET by whatajoyWhy does the media make such a big deal over Rosie? So, basically, Elisabeth fought back and didn't succumb to Rosie's delusional thoughts and conspiracy theories and all of a sudden now the world is in shock. Has the earth stopped spinning because of this incident?
It's just fodder for the media. We didn't discuss it over dinner. We were discussing who was going to win American Idol and wondering if the finale was going to be as awesome as it was last year. Rosie is not an appetizing thought when eating. "over the kitchen table" please. Maybe "over the toilet" is more like it. retch......
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