Canadian Journalists Criticized Michael Moore's Portrayal of Canada's Health Care in 'Sicko'


AP photo from english.chosun.com-- Moore at press conference

Canadians are mad as heck, and this time, they’re not going to take it. Michael Moore went too far to be ignored, which meant that a Canuck really gave him “what for” in the form of a polite but pointed recap of a heated press conference on Saturday for the premiere of “Sicko,” Moore’s one-sided US health-care hit job, which debuted at Cannes Film Festival .

 May 20, Toronto Star entertainment reporter Peter Howell wrote in the ideologically left of center paper that the Canadian journalists who saw “Sicko” were less than happy with his “playing fast and loose with the facts” and churning out a one-sided Pollyanna treatment of Canadian health care, presenting a system without problems. After being chastised by some of the most polite people on Earth, he fired back and leveled a truly terrible offense at them by stating their system is barely a step above America's. Quelle horreur!

Read what one of the few articles critical of Moore and his accuracy had to say about the movie's obvious problems with Moore’s film (bold emphasis mine throughout):

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We Canucks were taking issue with the large liberties Sicko takes with the facts, with its lavish praise for Canada's government-funded medicare system compared with America's for-profit alternative.

While justifiably demonstrating the evils of an American system...Sicko makes it seem as if Canada's socialized medicine is flawless and that Canadians are satisfied with the status quo.

Moore makes the eyebrow-raising assertion that Canadians live on average three years longer than Americans because of their superior health care system.

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Other Canadian journalists spoke of the long wait times Canadians face for health care, much longer than the few minutes Moore suggests in Sicko. Moore, who has come under considerable fire for factual inaccuracies in his films, parried back with more questionable claims.

A Michael Moore movie with “factual inaccuracies” and “questionable claims?” Shocking, simply shocking.

Moore started with a stunningly stupid statement that essentially told these socialized medicine ingrates to quit their whining about 18 month-long waits for gallbladder surgeries because it means they apparently live three years longer...somehow. Moore lashed out at these legitimate questions about his habit of propping up an unrealistic portrayal of a socialist utopia (or communist, in Cuba’s case) by minimizing the citizens’ hardships:

"You're in a longer line than we're in because you get to live three years longer than we do. Why is that?" Moore said. "Why is it that a baby born in Toronto has a better chance of making it to its first birthday than a baby born in Detroit?"

Moore later back-pedalled on some of his praise, saying neither Harper nor regular Canadians should pat themselves on the back too much.

"It's not hard to do better than the U.S.," Moore cautioned. "The Canadian system, if you look on that list of the World Health Organization, is not that far above us. It's not like the French system. The French system is the best in the world."

Talk about getting nasty. To a Canadian leftist, comparing anything Canadian, especially health care, to anything American is just about the worst insult Moore could have used. If he thinks so poorly of the Canadian system, why praise it so highly in the movie, which is what irked the Canadians to begin with?  

Perhaps this backlash indicates Moore is finished infantilizing and patronizing Canada, as he does Cuba and to a lesser extent, France, by pretending it is a real-life "Pleasantville." Howell was still irritated that Moore used the same technique of distorted reality when he  claimed in the anti-gun film “Bowling for Columbine” that Canadians don’t lock their doors, as well as stating that they aren’t afraid of crime in Canada.           

Does this mean that Moore’s love affair with Canada is over, now that some citizens have the audacity to question his rhetoric? Howell maintained the kind of professionalism and objectivity in this article that, based on his comments, Moore could not during the press conference. Too bad the media hasn't reported this conflict, eh? More about Moore, here and here.

* This appears to be an article about the same Cannes press conference with more quotes and without the criticism.

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Say what you like about Sicko

Say what you like about Sicko -- kudos to Michael Moore for being brave enough to make an autobiographical film while still relatively young and stroke free.

(For those who attended Berkeley, or some such lib***l arts college, autobiographical means you're writing about yourself.)

The debate is over:  so-called "manmade global warming" is a crock.

Come on now Jack, one thing t

Come on now Jack, one thing that the leftists at Berkeley teach students is to be self aware. Besides, I'm sure most of the profs at Berkeley have an unfinished memoir in the dresser drawer...right next to the "hate speech is not free speech" and the "Practice random acts of kindness and senseless acts of beauty" buttons.

The msm are not, I repeat not

The msm are not, I repeat not, going to report with any enthusiasm... let alone any reporting when it comes to the lying phonies like Moore and Gore.

Other  people in other countries have criticized them with their lies and getting caught in them like Moore just did to where he is back-pedaling quite a bit lately..but our msm ignore it all.

As usual.

Agenda agenda agenda.

Moore has as much fear of the

Moore has as much fear of the MSM fact-checking his films as Ted Kennedy being held accountable for all his hypocritical comments over the years. It must be nice to pull one-liners out of your sphincter with complete impunity from our hard-hitting, investigative reporters.

I'm starting to see why a politician would want to be a liberal. Would you rather tell a group of voters the truth, even though it may not be popular? Or would you rather go for the round of applause? Moore (I hate to say it) is playing the game correctly. By the time someone with a backbone catches up to his blatant errors, he will have already made his money, retired in Boca Raton and spent the remainder of his gluttonous existence chasing little illegal kids off his lawn.

Well his heart

Well his heart is in the right place. Like Al Gore, exaggerating anything and everything so you get the desired effect is the way to implement for the uncaring masses. It's the only way someone in charge can convince the unclean chattle what's good for them.

You're probably right - I sho

You're probably right - I should cut Moore some slack.  After all, just look at the speedy recovery Castro has made since his intestinal surgery last July.  I imagine all the world leaders will be lining up to get a piece of that Cuban healthcare system. 

While I disagree with Howell'

While I disagree with Howell's assertion of the "evils" in the American "system" and his simplistic "for profit" description of it, everything else he says above is dead on. Micheal Moore does have a fantasyland pie-in-the-sky view of socalist countries. And I'm glad it's finally irking those who live in said countries and face the harsh realities of the authoritatian socalist mentality. 

And what does it say about Moore's convictions (or lack thereof) if he changes his mind so quickly and visciously about something he has trumputed for years (the Canadian health care system) just because someone criticized his viewpoint?

Unprincipled, hypocritical and a bloated idealogue. Mr. Moore, you're a travesty.

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~CLEANUP ON AISLE 5

That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel. 

aisle 6... aisle 7... aisle 8...

geez.

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I got two private messages from this LK person.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Cool,

LOL-So what exactly did this clearly deranged person have to say?

-Dave

This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.

→ Same-o same-o

Exactly what he posted in the thread.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Cool, this guy is psycho.

LOL-I wonder if it really is Michael Moore?

-Dave

This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.

~Why is this guy not banned yet?

Extreme vulgarity and death threats?!

That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel. 

chose, I hope somebody is tracking this guy's IP

This nutjob needs to be put away.

No joke.

-Dave

This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.

~Seriously

I hope they erase that trash soon. 

 

That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel. 

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LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Cool,

LOL-I wonder if this is one of our former trolls, who is now sitting on death row, and one final post at NB was his last request.  :-)

-Dave

This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.

→ Maybe

Profile says he's been a member for 9 days.

Must have gotten his password today.


LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

what's going on here?

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Bruce, it appears the mods are all AWOL at the moment

I just hope they get that garbage deleted before my 12yo niece stumbles across it.

I really don't want to have to explain this to my sister-in-law.

-Dave

This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.

Dave

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all i see is *

and unauthorized to this page

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Bruce,

Be glad you missed it. It was one of the most vile posts I have seen in my three+ years here at NB.

-Dave

This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.

Dave

check pm

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He sent me a Private Message, if you'd like to read it.


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no thanks

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Access denied

...and another one bites the dust.  :-)

A huge thank you to whoever it was who pulled this guys plug.

-Dave

This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.

Damn!!!

I hate it when I am late to a party. :/

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Michael Moore fears "THE

Michael Moore fears "THE TRUTH" about the Universal Health Care in Cuba...

TheRealCuba.com

Michael More

He would have to care about Cuba's healthcare system or believe the MSM would expose him.  Neither exist in the real world.

Isaiah 32:5-8
The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful. For the vile person will speak villainy, and his heart will work iniquity, to practice hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD

I am 48 (Living in a nice nei

I am 48 (Living in a nice neighbourhood in Toronto) with a history of high blood pressure and high Cholesterol. I made my appointment for my physical checkup two weeks ago. They can squeeze me in in October. My 7 year old sun sliced his knee open skateboarding. We sat in the hospital from 4PM till 1:30 Am before they would see us. If I miss my physical, I can wait 3 to 6 months for a new one. What a Lard Ass!! He probably likes China's system more and has lined up a few replacement Organs for himself from a Falun Gong prisoner.

I live in a nice

I live in a nice neighbourhood in Toronto as well. Sounds like you really need to get a new family doctor. PM me and I'll give you the name of mine. I don't know if my doctor has connections..but he always seems to get the job done fast. I recently developed an annoying (but not life threating) problem. I go under the knife on Monday..It took two weeks to get an appointment.

When I was living in England,

When I was living in England, a girl I knew told me that her grandfather was having severe chest pains that turned out to be a heart attack... and he had to sit patiently in the emergency room for over an hour before anyone checked him.

There is no way you can convince me that socialized medicine is a better system when you can't even get prompt emergency care.

*****

"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello

On Romanow

I enjoyed my visit to Toronto and can't wait to go back...

Your post is quite telling.  If Canada's health care system is 100% perfect, perhaps someone in Canada can explain what former Saskatchewan Premier Roy Romanow was wasting his time on earlier in the decade

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Sux2bU

Your healthcare system sounds like our Public School system except the Shamans don't know their craft.

Isaiah 32:5-8
The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful. For the vile person will speak villainy, and his heart will work iniquity, to practice hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD

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I wish I had the opportunit

I wish I had the opportunity to ask Mr Moore just a few questions:

- What kinds of things does a 'sicko' do?

- What kind of movies does a 'sicko' make?

- How could the public be made aware of the problems caused by 'sickos' ?

- How can we prevent any more problems from 'sickos'?

What's odd to me is how Moo

What's odd to me is how Moore reacts to mostly-winning. The US healthcare system is enormously involved with government, but Michael wants 100% and will be satisfied with nothing less.
JMR

Moore's stupid premise

Moore contends our healthcare is broken.

It is that our healthcare system works beyond the tolerance of our population that we have problems.

Let's all retire at 65 and live another 25 years just to prove our healthcare system is broken

Isaiah 32:5-8
The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful. For the vile person will speak villainy, and his heart will work iniquity, to practice hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD

Michael Moore: A myocardial infarction waiting to happen

If this bloated, disgusting myocardial-infarction-waiting-to-happen really wanted to improve healthcare in this country, then he should start advocating getting government, particularly the federal government, the heck out of it completely.

As I see it, the more government gets involved (interferes?) with our health care system, the worse it gets.

myocardial-infarction

The opposite of pro is con

The opposite of Congress is ...

Amen, Dave, but beyond that

Amen, Dave, but beyond that, as big government gets involved in something like medicine, invariably it becomes in-our-interest as taxpayers to suddenly "care" about Michael's (and everyone else's) health when we formerly didn't-care. IOW, it's a perfect recipe to turn formerly nice people into hyperpolitical control freaks via their natural reactions to high taxes (and inflation) as we degenerate from a civil to a political society.
JMR

It's no secret that Mr. Moore

It's no secret that Mr. Moore has a bit of a weight issue. He's like many Americans who enjoy eating, shy away from actual exercise, smoke, drink excessively, drive fast, etc... and worry little about what health ramifications those habits might be causing down the road.

The reason why we might be witnessing the first generation of Americans not living longer than their parents has little to do with our healthcare system. It has to do with a society of people eating more and moving less. Which, you know, live your life the way you want, but be prepared for the consequences of your actions... don't expect government to pick up the tab for your lifestyle choices.

Michael... rather than looking at socialized medicine as the solution, why not eat a bagel instead of two donuts for breakfast, and maybe get out and walk a half hour a day.

Socialized medicine isn't going to suddenly - or even eventually - make everyone healthier.

*****

"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello

If the Health care in Cuba is

If the Health care in Cuba is so superior let's see how fast the libs line up to move down there. Oh wait...Universal health care is only for us little people.

Moore started with a stunnin

Moore started with a stunningly stupid statement that essentially told these socialized medicine ingrates to quit their whining about 18 month-long waits for gallbladder surgeries because it means they apparently live three years longer...somehow

Apparently, Mr. Moore has never had a gallbladder problem. If he did, after the first week in excruciating pain, he would not only praise the American system, he would be the first to denounce socialism! 

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

That has to be the most flatt

That has to be the most flattering picture of Michael Moore I have ever seen.  I guess it is because his mouth is covered.

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With Democrat revisionist history and liberals guaranteeing the future (global warming, nuclear destruction, etc.) only the future is certain; the past is always changing.

This here's from the Wall S

This here's from the Wall Street Journal. The kicker comes at the end...

During the largely flattering press conference, the few barbed questions came from Canadian journalists who criticized the film's overwhelmingly positive picture of universal health care in Canada. "I think you'd be hard pressed to find Canadians that would agree 20-40 minutes is a standard waiting time in a Canadian hospital," said Macleans magazine's Brian Johnson. "Why do you paint a picture so universally rosy in a country like Canada when it can undermine the credibility of your film?"

Mr. Moore acknowledged that health-care problems exist in Canada, the United Kingdom and France, all countries in which the film compares to the U.S.'s system, but he reiterated his opinion that U.S. industry remains far worse. "Would you give up your Canadian health-care card for an American one?" Mr. Moore said. "No," the journalist replied.