CBS Celebrates Cronkite Who 'Stood Up To' President in 'Another Unpopular War'


Friday's CBS Evening News plugged its special on Walter Cronkite with a story, as introduced by Katie Couric, about a "journalist who stood up to the Commander-in-Chief" during a time of "another unpopular war," as Couric was transitioning from a story about the debate over Iraq War funding. Couric was referring to Cronkite's decision in February 1968 to declare on the air that America would have to negotiate without victory to end the Vietnam War.

After correspondent Jim Axelrod filed a report on the latest effort by Congressional Democrats to put conditions on Iraq War funding, which ended with Axelrod opining that President Bush has an incentive to reach a deal soon because of the President's low approval rating over the "unpopular war," Couric drew a comparison to the Vietnam War by introducing the Cronkite piece referring to "another unpopular war." Couric: "And now we want to take you back 40 years to another unpopular war and to a journalist who stood up to the Commander-in-Chief. It was Vietnam, the President was Lyndon Johnson, and that journalist? CBS News correspondent Walter Cronkite." (Transcript follows)

The piece, slightly altered from the version aired during that night's special, featured soundbites from Bill Clinton, actor George Clooney, and CBS News veterans Morley Safer and Don Hewitt, in addition to Cronkite himself. Cronkite recounted his decision to convey his belief to viewers that the Vietnam War was unwinnable. Cronkite: "When I came back, we did a documentary, but in the conclusion of that, I simply told people what I thought about the state of the war in Vietnam. And it was that we'd better get out of it."

After a supporting soundbite from Clinton, then came the famous clip of Cronkite from February 1968: "It is increasingly clear to this reporter that the only rational way out, then, will be to negotiate, not as victors, but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could. This is Walter Cronkite. Good night."

After a Clooney soundbite came a prerecorded clip of Couric relaying that "most trusted man" Cronkite had contended the Vietnam War was "not right." Couric: "Here was the most trusted man in America saying this war is not right."

Below is a complete transcript of the story, including the very end of the story before it, from the Friday May 18 CBS Evening News:

JIM AXELROD: "There is now a week until the deadline to get a deal done. With Mr. Bush's 32 percent approval rating, due largely to this unpopular war, he has every incentive to make it happen. Katie?"

KATIE COURIC: "Jim Axelrod at the White House tonight. And now we want to take you back 40 years to another unpopular war and to a journalist who stood up to the Commander-in-Chief. It was Vietnam, the President was Lyndon Johnson, and that journalist? CBS News correspondent Walter Cronkite."

WALTER CRONKITE: "If the communist intention was to take and seize the cities, they came closer here at Gwei (sp?) than anywhere else."

MORLEY SAFER, CBS NEWS: "For Walter to come around to a view that America was fighting a wrong war took a bit of real strong stuff."

CRONKITE: "When I came back, we did a documentary, but in the conclusion of that, I simply told people what I thought about the state of the war in Vietnam. And it was that we'd better get out of it."

BILL CLINTON: "He thought he knew what the truth was, and he thought he had an obligation to tell it."

CRONKITE, DATED FEBRUARY 1968: "It is increasingly clear to this reporter that the only rational way out, then, will be to negotiate, not as victors, but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could. This is Walter Cronkite. Good night."

GEORGE CLOONEY, ACTOR: "He changed the history of the war overnight."

COURIC: "Here was the most trusted man in America saying this war is not right."

DON HEWITT, CBS NEWS: "And Lyndon Johnson was sitting at a television set that night and said, 'If I've lost Walter Cronkite, I've lost the American people.'"

SAFER: "It is remarkable that one anchorman, one reporter, one journalist, whatever, could really affect the political fate of the country. But they didn't call Walter the most trusted man in America for nothing."

COURIC: "And tonight CBS News will look back at the remarkable career of Walter Cronkite, who's 90 years old now and still going strong. It's a special broadcast you won't want to miss. That's the Way it is: Celebrating Cronkite at 90, tonight at 8:00, 7:00 Central."


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Cronkite has a lot of blood

Cronkite has a lot of blood on his hands (as does Kerry and Fonda); once they managed to influence the war effort, to the point of US retreat, the real slaughter ensued. Untold thousands were butchered, not to mention the slaughter that took place in the neighboring countries where Soviet style communism inevitably spread.

You are no hero Mr. Kronkite, but a panzy leftist who knowingly aided and abetted the North Vietnamese regime--and quite a few of you MSM types are trying to do the same thing with Iraq. You're just a bunch of panzies that the terrorists are using to alter public opinion on the war...the Iraqi people will pay the biggest price; you'll just grow old and redundant like Mr. Kronkite, hoping for your glory days of old. It's a very sad time in our great country.

Richard R/boa/Cronkite

Richard R,

Thanks...you summed it up in a nutshell.

boa...are you paying attention? (This is in reference when I said the Vietnam War to you the other day about Cronkite)

So Walter Cronkite is repon

So Walter Cronkite is reponsible for us pulling out of Vietnam. Not because it wasn't going well, though. It was just his opinion that is going poorly, which overrode every other government official's opinion and the president's, congress's, the military's. Wow, Cronkite was powerful!

 Well Balboa, I can't rememb

 Well Balboa, I can't remember how old you are but I very clearly remember my parents talking about how people "trusted" the old fart and if he didn't believe in this "conflict" perhaps there was something to this.  He got the ball rolling so to say.  However, I don't expect you to realize this but if you saw the "special" you would have seen the implication of the same statement. 

I still fail to believe tha

I still fail to believe that this one guy was responsible for us pulling out, that all these military leaders, the president, congressmen were powerless to stop his influence if in fact things weren't that bad in Vietnam.

 Probably like you don't see

 Probably like you don't see that the view of the MSM has a negative affect on how Americans view the Iraq war either.  But not surprised, you'd rather take the word of those in the MSM than people who just returned. 

I didn't say that. I know t

I didn't say that. I know the media can affect the public and their views. I don't see that translating into making the military and congress and president change their minds and directions if they believe and have proof that they're winning.

Balboa, when my husband just

Balboa, when my husband just returned and I mentioned something about him saying he thought that they were doing the right thing and that if the MSM would just shut up the American people would see it. You didn't see it then and you don't see it now so why wouldn't you see that Cronkite moved the opinion of the American people in the 60's.  You don't believe that we're winning now because you don't see it because the MSM doesn't want you to see it.  I am not surprised by your opinon because you have a mind closed to anything that would be a positive on Iraq. 

Balboa, when my husband just

Balboa, when my husband just returned and I mentioned something about him saying he thought that they were doing the right thing and that if the MSM would just shut up the American people would see it. You didn't see it then and you don't see it now so why wouldn't you see that Cronkite moved the opinion of the American people in the 60's.  You don't believe that we're winning now because you don't see it because the MSM doesn't want you to see it.  I am not surprised by your opinon because you have a mind closed to anything that would be a positive on Iraq. 

You're not paying attention

You're not paying attention.

I can absolutely believe that Cronkite moved the opinion of the American people in the '60s. I have a hard time, however, believing that that influence changed the policies and minds of those in Congress, the military, and the president. If things really were going so swell in Vietnam, then they surely could have justified staying. They weren't, so they couldn't.

 I am paying attention but y

 I am paying attention but you don't seem to get that Cronkite did get people riled up about that war.  Johnson was an ass and once he saw the tide turning  against the war, he gave up.  I'm not saying that old cranky is the one who was totally responsible but he had a huge hand in it.

First, I apologize for the

First, I apologize for the "paying attention" remark. That was rather obnoxious of me.

Second, I would hope that Johnson had more backbone than that.

 I am paying attention but y

Why am I getting double posts on this thread??????

Ok balboa, what if changed

Ok balboa, what if changed the mind of only ONE american: the president, by swaying public opinion against him? What then? And stop saying things were or weren't "swell" in Vietnam, no one is arguing that things were swell.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

 MM, I wasn't trying to argu

 MM, I wasn't trying to argue that things were going swell over there during that time but you said it better than I could.  I am seeing the same thing now and it's looking like 1969 all over again. 

Balboa, apology accepted. 

This discussuion is becoming

This discussuion is becoming a quagmire.

The debate is over:  so-called "manmade global warming" is a crock.

Time to "redeploy&quot

Time to "redeploy" to Guam.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

 Jack...Quagmire....lol, lea

 Jack...

Quagmire....lol, leave it to you!

I'm sure the families of our

I'm sure the families of our fallen American soldiers find great humor in these jokes.  Keep up the good work! 

Oh look...our resident trolls

Oh look...our resident trollster is here.

Hi Leon...lets all say hi!

Group hug!

Keep laughing BT while you le

Keep laughing BT while you let other people fight the war for you

Leon, you are a hypocritical a**hole

Leon, you are a hypocritical a**hole.  You're one of those phony liberals who claims to "support the troops", when all you want to do is use them to advance your political posturings.

The percentage of posters on this board who are current military, veterans, or family of military personnel is much higher than the percentage in the general population...and it eclipses the tiny percentage of those on the left.

We recognize who supports us and we recognize the hypocrits. Guess which category you fall into, a**hole?

RJ,Thanks, I missed this by t

RJ,

Thanks, I missed this by the trollster...you said it all for me anyway!

Leon, Why don't you go play with Tumbler.


Leon,

Why don't you go play with Tumbler. I'm sure he is feeling a little down and out, I mean, having his green card revoked and all.

Bet he could use a hug, too.

No ones making jokes about

No ones making jokes about fallen American soldiers. What are you talking about Leon? Wrong thread again?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Yeah I guess BT wasn't laughi

Yeah I guess BT wasn't laughing at Jack's lame quagmire joke.

Comprehension isn't one of

Comprehension isn't one of your strengths. That's exactlly what she was LOL at! And I thought it was funny, not lame.. and I know lame (which is why I take the time to respond to you btw)

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

MM - wow.  Exactly.  Thank

MM - wow.  Exactly.  Thank you for proving my original point.  Jokes about Iraq being a quaqmire are pedantic and insulting to soldiers that have died.  This is a real war with real consequences and that type of mockery is unwelcome.

You are slow today my good man.  Not too quick on the pickup.  But I do like when you challenge my reading comprehension based on your misreading.  Too funny.

Little Leon,Then you need to

Little Leon,

Then you need to tell your Soros leftist friends to quit using the word quagmire.

No, the war is a quagmire. 

No, the war is a quagmire.  The issue is using this apt description in a pejorative, mocking tone.

Please clarify your post rega

Please clarify your post regarding a quagmire.

Please list the rationale for this statement. 

You dope! The discussion yo

You dope! The discussion you crashed was about Vietnam! Talk about slow on the uptake. V-I-E-T-N-A-M remember that from school? You really should have put that gameboy down more.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

MM - the joke was referencing

MM - the joke was referencing the word as used within the context of Iraq.  If you can't see this, than you are beyond help.

Keep grasping at straws. 

 I may be sorry I am steppin

 I may be sorry I am stepping into this but . . . I may have been the one who hijacked this a bit off of topic with the Iraq thing because I was using a similar conversation Balboa and I had in mid February when my husband came home from Iraq and what his opinion was.  However, the Cronkite nonsense is about Viet Nam. 

Iraq=quagmire, Vietnam=quag

Iraq=quagmire, Vietnam=quagmire. Where do you think the word was used first? It applies in both contexts. Looks like Jack's humor transcends the self indulgent Leon.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Oh well, at least we never sp

Oh well, at least we never spat upon them or their families. Have a nice day.

The debate is over:  so-called "manmade global warming" is a crock.

Ok whatever that means. I was

Ok whatever that means. I wasn't even born, but nice try. Keep making jokes while Americans die Jack. Way to support the troops. Your callousness towards the war is sickening.

But hey, anything to attack a liberal. 

Hey leon - here some more jok

Hey leon - here some more jokesters yukkin' it up about the war - go git em' hero...!

http://newsbusters.org/node/2424

Bastards aren't they? Plenty more where that come from:)...

I didn't see anyone mocking t

I didn't see anyone mocking the war in that post.  What are you talking about?

...you didn't see it?! Wow, t

...you didn't see it?! Wow, that's amazing:)...

Had to be there, balboa

Walter Cronkite was known as "The Most Trusted Man in America." Having lived through it, I can tell you that the influence of Walter Cronkite was enormous. People thought of him as their grandfather telling them truths. Once he plowed the ground and planted the seeds, others harvested. The CPUSA had been working to destablize the United States. During the Vietnam War they will pour money and energy into the civil rights movement, so there is a major internal distraction.

While Cronkite had little impact on younger Americans, he had a major impact on their parents. And those were the people who voted.

Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower

Looks like NB should have sta

Looks like NB should have started in the 60's...

If we weren't around today then Rosie would probably be the "most trusted man in America:)" (rimshot)

Hey leon! I'm joking about the war...kinda...

I believe the tide turned aga

I believe the tide turned against our mistake in Viet Nam when the draft began to haul in white middle- and upper-class kids who were not going to college.  As long as the war was being fought by volunteers and drafted inner-city minority youth, there was support for the war by default.  When body bags began coming home with soldiers voters actually knew, public opinion changed very quickly.

...yowza...how many points fo

...yowza...how many points for the class-warfare card, people?

So, cowardice of the educated

So, cowardice of the educated upper class was at fault for the US defeat?

Is it the fault of the Americ

Is it the fault of the American news media that approximately one out of every eight Iraqi citizens has had to flee their home?

Nor is it our fault.Suring Sa

Nor is it our fault.

Suring Saddams reign of terror, countless Kurds and Shia were forced from their homes and repalced by the ruling class of Sunni.

The reaction of this is now the Shia and Kurds are returning to their lands and ejecting the Sunni.  That is causing the bulk of refugees.

But being J Frank WIlson, you DESIRE for it to be our fault since it is your pathology.

Woodward and Bernstien

I think the Watergate investigation had more to do with it than Cronkite.  Once Nixon got into his bunker, it was just a matter of time.

"Wow, Cronkite was power

"Wow, Cronkite was powerful!"

Yes. An that makes him all the more responsible for his actions.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Cronkite and Vietnam

When Cronkite said we were losing Tet, even though we won and beat the hell out the the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong, it radicalized people against the war. Walter stood for truth. The fact that Walter had no military command experience meant nothing to people. Like little sheep they were led to the slaughter. Others jumped on the bandwagon, if Walter said it, it had to be true. The problem was that Emperor Walter had no clothes. He had no facts. In fact, the facts belied his words.

Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower

I grew up with  Cronkite....

I grew up with  Cronkite....I'm old enough to remember Cronkite and his leftist views well...just didn't realize the power he had at the time, nor understand it, nor politics at the time, as I was still young and for the most part there were just three main networks....plus at the time I lived with the democrat side of my family...lol!

We had to actually get up and turn the channels by hand, plus turn the antena the right direction if the wind blew to get the picture back in.

Cronkite had a lot of power boa...Richard summed it up well.

The war was not going well in

The war was not going well in Vietnam?

The Viet Cong was virtually destroyed and was thereafter not a significatn force post Tet.

The North Vietnamese Army was decimated in operations surrounding Khe Sahn, Hue, etc.

Things continued to spiral downhill for them following TET and then even worse following the US invasion of Cambodia at the Parrots Beak and Dogs Head during which the PAVN was virtually ejected in six weeks and would require three years to regain post US withdrawel from the Cambodia border areas.

US veterans involved in fighting at that time have pretty much all concurred that post Cambodia, US forces caught a breather as the Commies were not capable of mounting significant offensives from that location.

Communist forces thereafter were forced to change tactics and leave the Guerilla war and proceed with conventional attacks "Easter Offensive" etc including the final offensive that seized Saigon.

Why?  Because the US press convinced the US public we were losing and the US politicians withdrew US forces before the job was done.

I recall seeing or hearing a

I recall seeing or hearing a story in which former Viet Cong fighters commented that they thought they were finished after TET. It was only after the 'encouraging' words of our media that gave them the strength to carry on.

With Iraq, we see history repeating itself.

SAFER: "It is remarkab

SAFER: "It is remarkable that one anchorman, one reporter, one
journalist, whatever, could really affect the political fate of the
country. But they didn't call Walter the most trusted man in America
for nothing."

.... that right there is scary!!! Walter was..... an ANCHORMAN !! who sat behind a desk and read the news from the newswire. Or that was what his duties were supposed to be limited to. What is with this blowhard, elitist, self-aggrandizing, back-slapping fraternity of MSM journalists and celebrities ??

Tragic

When a Democracy ceases to be a Democracy is when an unelected entity starts to govern the nation. That is what today's main stream media is advocating AND getting away with.

And people still do not understand that the totally left wing media is a bigger threat to our American way of life than radical muslims.

AMAZING! 

COURIC: "Here was the mo

COURIC: "Here was the most trusted man in America saying this war is not right."

Wonder how many folks trust his point of view now? We should never again let the opinions of a newsman direct this country. This is the example to prove it.

Cronkite

Wasn't this old guy busy doing the NIMBY, fighting wind turbines in the Atlantic offshore from his house?

Isaiah 32:5-8
The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful. For the vile person will speak villainy, and his heart will work iniquity, to practice hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD

 Riled One, you are correct.

 Riled One, you are correct.  Not only did "Uncle Walter" take issue with these but so did RFK, jr. and all the other Holier Than Thou Kennedys because it would also block their view as well.  What a bunch of idiots. 
I wonder if "Uncle Walter" and all the others who "wanted to bring the killer troops home" as I remember their spitting on military members, calling them "baby killers" ever reflect on the blood on their hands after the US left SE Asia.  Probably not, wouldn't fit in with their weekends at the Cape or the Hamptons. 

Cronkite

And Domestic help don't live around these parts unless it's in the servants quarters.

Isaiah 32:5-8
The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful. For the vile person will speak villainy, and his heart will work iniquity, to practice hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD

Tet Offensive and Cronkite

Cronkite went over to Vietnam and gave his assessmant after the Tet Offensive.  The Tet Offensive was not a military defeat for the Americans and the South Vietnamese.  It was a devestating defeat for the Viet Cong, and should have been reported as a defeat for the Viet Cong.  The Viet Cong were essentially eliminated and only the NVA were left to fight the war.  Saying the Tet Offensive was a defeat for the Americans and the South Vietnamese would be about the equivalent of saying the South won the Battle of Gettysburg.  Cronkite in my opinion should not have made the Tet Offensive look like a defeat for the Americans and the South Vietnamese.

Here is a quote from the below link.

"Although taken by surprise, U.S. and South Vietnamese forces struck back quickly against the often poorly coordinated attacks. With the exception of Hue, the communists were unable to hold any town or base for more than a day or two, and their forces suffered extremely heavy casualties."

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-234636/Vietnam-War#291147.hook

"Here's to the Wall that bears their names.  Here's to you my little loves with blessings from Above now let the day begin"  'Let the Day Begin'

Carl,To be fair, the Johnso

Carl,

To be fair, the Johnson administration shares much of the blame for not convincing the American public of the communist defeat of tet. Imagine if you will if the generals had performed the "battle damage assesments" made popular in the Gulf War. Cronkites words would have become distant memories when countered by the facts of 45,000 enemy killed and not one single enemy military objective met. Of course Cronkite had the advantage of being "trusted" by the public and the first to cast gloom and doom. BDA's take time to accurately establish & report, and this really was pre-computer age. Even without all the facts in, a little "good propaganda" would have gone a long way!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Is Cronkite "objective"?

Yes, maybe Johnson and General Westmoreland could have done more, but then again General Westmoreland's job was to win the war, not be a press reporter.  If Cronkite prides himself on being "objective", then he has an obligation to report that the Tet Offensive was a defeat for the Viet Cong and General Giap.  I had heard in the past that General Giap had written in his memoirs that he was going to offer a "condtional" surrender after the Tet Offensive failed, but once he saw the reaction by the media, he decided not to.  After trying to research this, I haven't found any concrete evidence that his memoirs state this, so I can't be sure this isn't an Urban Legend.  My dad is a Vietnam Vet, and he said Westmoreland had a hard time reacting to what General Giap was doing psychologically.  Giap realized that the MSM was an ally of his and used it to his advantage for pyschological purposes.

I did find a reprint of a 1995 Wall Street Journal interview with Biu Tin who was a Colonel in the NVA who served with Giap, and he was interviewed by a human rights attorney after Biu Tin had left Communist Vietnam and went to France.  Below is a link to this interview.  Here is his answer about the Tet Offensive.

"Q: What about the results?

A: Our losses were staggering and a complete surprise;. Giap later told me that Tet had been a military defeat, though we had gained the planned political advantages when Johnson agreed to negotiate and did not run for re-election. The second and third waves in May and September were, in retrospect, mistakes. Our forces in the South were nearly wiped out by all the fighting in 1968. It took us until 1971 to re-establish our presence, but we had to use North Vietnamese troops as local guerrillas. If the American forces had not begun to withdraw under Nixon in 1969, they could have punished us severely. We suffered badly in 1969 and 1970 as it was."

http://www.grunt.com/scuttlebutt/corps-stories/Vietnam/north.asp

"Here's to the Wall that bears their names.  Here's to you my little loves with blessings from Above now let the day begin"  'Let the Day Begin'

If Cronkite prides himself on

If Cronkite prides himself on being "objective"

That is where this all falls apart. Cronkite prided himself on the folks, thinking he was "objective". Then our elected officials caved under his wieght. Our media learned this lesson well, you can read all about it every day.

Yeah, ask the Hanoi Class of

Yeah, ask the Hanoi Class of '67 how many of their comrades showed up for this years reunion. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

And now we know that his opin

And now we know that his opinion as so many in journalism, is irrelevant.  Walter Cronkite thinks he was elected to turn public opinion around, but he was not.  Shameful, it was a horrible time in our country's history and to be celebrated like it was, is shameful.

MSM hates AMERICA!

Famous "Life" Photo from Tet Offensive

Here is a pretty good account of the famous "Life" magazine photo of the South Vietnamese officer shooting the Viet Cong soldier.  Here is a quote from the below link from Eddie Adams who took the picture.

"Eddie Adams felt that his famous photo unfairly maligned Loan, who lived in Virginia after the war and died in 1998." 

Loan told Adams afterwards that the person he shot had killed many South Vietnamese and Americans.

http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0410/faas.html

"Here's to the Wall that bears their names.  Here's to you my little loves with blessings from Above now let the day begin"  'Let the Day Begin'

'Stood Up' to the Commander-i

'Stood Up' to the Commander-in-Chief

Really? I thought the infamous lib***l anchor slash blowhard was famous only for "Sitting Down"...

Night after night after night until that giant hooked finally pulled him off set.

The debate is over:  so-called "manmade global warming" is a crock.