‘Reliable Sources’ Panel Gives Three Thumbs Up to Fox News’ GOP Debate

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Here’s something you don’t see every day: three media members – two from liberal press outlets – agreeing that Fox News actually did something right.

Yet, that’s what happened on CNN’s “Reliable Sources” Sunday, as host Howard Kurtz and his guests discussed the Republican debates aired Tuesday.

Kurtz began:

Let’s face it, a lot of people expected Fox to go easy on the Republicans. Did that happen?

National Review’s David Frum was first up, and, not so surprisingly, raved:

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I think it was a triumphant night for Fox. And I say this as someone who has often had doubts about the way they cover politics. But, they asked, the, the important thing they did was not that they were tough. Anyone can be tough. They were precise. One of the problems with the first debate was that the 60 second format felt too short for an answer.

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When asked diffuse, rambling, “Look, I’m the journalist, I’m the star, look at me” questions…then 60 seconds is too short. But if you say, “Here’s an answer, yes, no,” 60 seconds is plenty of time. I thought the Fox questioners did a masterful job.

GQ’s Ryan Lizza expanded on this theme:

Yeah, look, there’s the good Fox, and there’s the bad Fox. Fox has a reputation for being intellectually dishonest, and a little bit propagandist for the Republican Party. And, with certain commentators that’s true. If you had Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly, uh, doing this debate, it would be totally different. But they also have a good team of political reporters who are junkies, and ask good questions.

Exactly. This issue should never have been about Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly, for they never were going to be on the panel, and hadn't been in the past when Fox News hosted debates. This was a ridiculous red herring floated by the left, and, in particular, the MoveOn.org and Netroots crowd.

Yet, as Lizza accurately pointed out, Fox News has "a good team of political reporters who are junkies, and ask good questions," and that's all that matters.

But maybe most surprising was US News & World Report’s Gloria Borger agreeing with this premise:

Well, I think the key to being a good questioner, a good journalist in this kind of a program is you have to have well-researched questions. They knew their facts. And they threw them out there.

KURTZ: So, should Democrats debate on Fox? They are basically boycotting Fox.

BORGER: I do not see why the Democrats should not debate on Fox News.

Interesting, wouldn’t you agree?

In reality, I have seen a number of clearly liberal media representatives voice similar sentiments on these types of programs. However, if they really felt this way, then they should be writing regular columns chastising the Democrats for their atrocious behavior in this regard.

After all, if this situation was reversed, and it was Republicans doing the boycotting, the finger-pointing would be on America’s front pages, and not just on little-watched talk shows airing early Sunday morning.

What follows is a partial transcript of this segment.

HOWARD KURTZ, HOST: Let’s face it, a lot of people expected Fox to go easy on the Republicans. Did that happen?

DAVID FRUM, NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE: I think it was a triumphant night for Fox. And I say this as someone who has often had doubts about the way they cover politics. But, they asked, the, the important thing they did was not that they were tough. Anyone can be tough. They were precise. One of the problems with the first debate was that the 60 second format felt too short for an answer. But that was because…

KURTZ: That was the debate on MSNBC.

FRUM: That’s right. When asked diffuse, rambling, “Look, I’m the journalist, I’m the star, look at me” questions…

KURTZ: Who would you be referring to?

FRUM: One of the other questioners…then 60 seconds is too short. But if you say, “Here’s an answer, yes, no,” 60 seconds is plenty of time. I thought the Fox questioners did a masterful job.

KURTZ: For those that don’t know, Chris Matthews moderated the first Republican debate on MSNBC. A little difference in the style?

RYAN LIZZA, GQ CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, look, there’s the good Fox, and there’s the bad Fox. Fox has a reputation for being intellectually dishonest, and a little bit propagandist for the Republican Party. And, with certain commentators that’s true. If you had Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly, uh, doing this debate, it would be totally different. But they also have a good team of political reporters who are junkies, and ask good questions.

GLORIA BORGER, US NEWS & WORLD REPORT: Well, I think the key to being a good questioner, a good journalist in this kind of a program is you have to have well-researched questions. They knew their facts. And they threw them out there.

KURTZ: So, should Democrats debate on Fox? They are basically boycotting Fox.

BORGER: I do not see why the Democrats should not debate on Fox News.

KURTZ: Alright.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.


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 It must have killed them a

 It must have killed them a bit to say that the Fox debate was pretty good.  Of course they had to slip in Hannity but O'Reilly would have probably been okay.  He's a pretty good journalist.  However, the fact that the defeatocrats refuse to debate on Fox is telling enough for me.

It may have been the first ti

It may have been the first time any of them ever turned on Fox - they probably just listened to all their other lib. media cronies and never watched the network themselves.

In other words

In other words the blatant leftism of " Do you think Bill Clinton being back in the White House would be a good thing " type of question was so bad on the democrat channel, they had to innoculate themselves from being too openly ridiculous and give Fox a thumbs up.

 The shame of it all.

Hmmm...

Excuse me, but, is this an illusion or did hell just freeze over?

Never dance on an empty stomach unless it's a liberal.

Boycotting Fox is a stupid mo

Boycotting Fox is a stupid move by the Democrats, which does nothing but raise the stakes of this whole "Fox v. the World" debate.

It's not just stupid but also

It's not just stupid but also shows just how hypocritical the Dems are. After all they had no problems with debating on Fox during the 2004 election cycle.

The moonbats in the fever swamps have obviously taken over the party.

It's more than stupid.  It's

It's more than stupid.  It's an alarming insight into their character and fitness to be president.  They are catering to a narrow special interest by refusing to debate in a perfectly valid forum.  What will they do or not do in their official capacity as president to continue catering to narrow special interests?

"How are you going to

"How are you going to stand up to terrorists when you're afraid of fox news!"
-Jay Leno

That should be a bumper sticker for '08. I don't care WHO is running.
Be sure to get your daily Fred Thompson Fact!

"If you had Sean Hanni

"If you had Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly, uh, doing this debate, it would be totally different."

But you didn't have these guys, so why even bring it up? You didn't have those 2 guys for a reason: because they aren't news guys, they are opinion guys. MSNBC on the other hand, didn't hesitate to use their opinion guy to run their debate, yet somehow Fox is the biased, propagandist network, lol.

"Yeah, look, there’s the good Fox, and there’s the bad Fox. Fox has a
reputation for being intellectually dishonest, and a little bit
propagandist for the Republican Party."

I didn't catch this live, does anyone know if she was able to keep a straight face when she said this? Did she ever consider that that reputation exists because "intellectually dishonest" people like her keep pushing such nonsense?

I think a cogent argument cou

I think a cogent argument could be made that the reason why “liberal press outlets” don’t praise Fox News on a daily basis is because Faux doesn’t deserve praise for their slanted coverage, which they provide on a daily basis.  I watched the debate and found the Fox moderators, especially Chris Wallace, very fair, organized and for once, balanced.  So the praise for their work was well deserved, if only for this fleeting occasion.  My best guess is Brit Hume insisted that it wouldn’t be a softball love-fest if only to prove to the world that they could actually run a fair debate.

Regards, Dave High

 

"Faux" NewsHow wi

"Faux" News

How witty and original.

Bet you thought that one up yourself.

True though, they do slant their coverage.

Towards the centrist point of view.

D


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DFTT:I was pleased to learn f

DFTT:

I was pleased to learn from you today that Fox News is "centrist."  Where I have been all my life?

Doesn't it chaff your moral values to tell a lie like that?

Regards, Dave High

Dave

Dave,

Actually, if he's lying about Fox News being centrist, so are the folks at UCLA: http://www.newsroom.ucla.edu/page.asp?RelNum=6664.   ns

Noel:An interesting article.

Noel:

An interesting article.  Let’s parse further, shall we? 

“Based on these votes, the ADA assigns a numerical score to each lawmaker, where "100" is the most liberal and "0" is the most conservative.”

 I am in agreement with this scale, aren’t you?  Liberals: 100, Conservatives: 0.  Works for me! :)!

  “The fourth most centrist outlet was "Special Report With Brit Hume" on Fox News, which often is cited by liberals as an egregious example of a right-wing outlet. While this news program proved to be right of center, the study found ABC's "World News Tonight" and NBC's "Nightly News" to be left of center. All three outlets were approximately equidistant from the center, the report found.”

I will buy this.  Kudos to Brit for presenting the news fairly.  Unfortunately, he does highly opinionated on-air commentary as well, which undermines his “centrist” credibility.

“Five news outlets — "NewsHour With Jim Lehrer," ABC's "Good Morning America," CNN's "NewsNight With Aaron Brown," Fox News' "Special Report With Brit Hume" and the Drudge Report — were in a statistical dead heat in the race for the most centrist news outlet.  Of the print media, USA Today was the most centrist.”

The Drudge Report is centrist?  This sort of calls into question the foundations of the study, doncha‘ think?

“Another finding that contradicted conventional wisdom was that the Drudge Report was slightly left of center.”

Oopps.  Nail in the coffin, here.  The Drudge Report is slightly left of center?  In whose estimation?  Drudge is an unabashed right-winger all the way!  Methinks the study clowns didn’t do their homework!

“Yet another finding that contradicted conventional wisdom relates to National Public Radio, often cited by conservatives as an egregious example of a liberal news outlet. But according to the UCLA-University of Missouri study, it ranked eighth most liberal of the 20 that the study examined.”

Okay, let me make sure I understand the basis of this study.  Drudge is left of center and PBS is left of Drudge.   Got it.  Can we move on now?

Regards, Dave High

Unfortunately, he (Hume) doe

Unfortunately, he (Hume) does highly opinionated on-air commentary as well, which undermines his “centrist” credibility.

Do you or did you have the same opinion about Dan Rather when he was spewing DNC talking points like Michael Moore with indigestion?

Drudge is an unabashed right-winger all the way!

Link? Proof? etc.  Maybe so, but this study shows differently.  Do you have a study or facts that show differently and not just something from Media Matters or some leftwing hack-job site.  I agree with you about Drudge but Noel showed facts that seem to prove us wrong.

I love how some people hate FoxNews with a passion because they are closer to the center than than MSDNC or See BS, which are way far to the left.  Whenever I hear someone from Fox utter statements like these for Republicans, then I'll be convinced:

"I would be happy to give him (President Clinton, surprised?) a blowjob just to thank him for keeping abortion legal. I think American women should be lining up with their presidential kneepads on to show their gratitude for keeping the theocracy off our backs." *Nina Burleigh, the Time contributor and former Time reporter

But you know, no bias there at all!

Here's the thing

Drudge himself may, or may not, be conservative in his views and his opinions. However -- the Drudge Report containst 99% of purely linked news stories, with no opinions from him at all.


"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" -
Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"

Dude... lighten up..

Exactly right Mr Bishop...You

Exactly right Mr Bishop...

You know the left though...they will spin it anyway they see fit until the cows come home.

In their own eyes they see Drudge as part of the fault for Clinton's impeachment...

Never the man himself and his lies.

Yup, the Bubba Buttt Brigade

Yup, the Bubba Buttt Brigade hates Drudge because they thought they had Mikey Isikoff and Eleanor Rodham Clift in the tank for them. Newsweak was the one who had the story, but since the perp had a "D" after his name they were gonna give him a pass. There is absolutely no doubt that if it had been a "R" fooling around with Moanica, they would print 20 million copies and given them away.

Bingo Del!

Bingo Del!

fell for that didn't you?

I would guess if you have been duped (through societal brainwashing and just plain immersion) into thinking that ABC CBS NBC BBC PBS CNN MSNBC NYT LAT etc. are 'fair and balanced' (when they are really extreme leftist) that would make Fox News Channel seem extreme right.

That doesn't mean Fox News is extreme right, just that your perception (and/or your values) is warped.

Hope it's painless.

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"Where I have been all my life?"

"Where I have been all my life?" Possibly you have ben listening so long and so hard to the MSM and read so many large city newspapers that you may have lost your impartiality. I find that Fox has more Liberals than Conservatives. I will not list them, you may have the pleasure. I will gladly list all the Conservatives---Sean Hannity. There, I am done.

Wow. You almost praised Faux,

Wow. You almost praised Faux, er, Fox News. Well, you really had no choice, seeing that, when compared to the weak excuse for a debate MSNBC dished up a couple of week ago, you had little choice but admit that "bad evil, neothug Faux News" has disproved your theory of who is actually "fair and balanced", and who has an agenda to promote. 

But, by all means, resume toeing the progressive, er, socialist, line. You have, once again, invoked the First Rule of Liberalism: accuse the Right of doing exactly what the Left is doing.

High, Dave!You allege that &q

High, Dave!

You allege that "Faux News" provides "slanted coverage" on a "daily basis". Can you give us numerous credible examples of this? According to your logic, they do it every day, and they've been on the air for what, 10 years now? You should have at least 3,650 different examples of them slanting the news. Just give us the worst 10.

And while I have your attention, I was wondering if you would define what CNN did for 10 years, namely ignoring Saddam Hussein's abuses of his own people solely so they could keep their Baghdad Bureau open, as "slanting the news on a daily basis" as well.

Given the fact that Murdock i

Given the fact that Murdock is a Clinton supporter, the assertion that News Corp is somhow "right wing" is laughable.

Good comment Chris Wallace

Good comment Chris Wallace being fair and organized. I agree. You could have left the other nonsensical babble out and would have had quality, respectable post.  Alot to have expected though.

I heard this segment this mor

I heard this segment this morning while fixing breakfast...Lizza didn't surprise me, he was typical as usual...but Borger did.

Wonder if any scaredy-cat leftists that are running listened?

Yeah right...when pigs fly.

...or Soros gives his okay...lol.

Remember the difference betwe

Remember the difference between the tone and seriousness of the questions

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.