Do you hear that hissing sound? That’s the balloon that soon-to-be-Dr. Al Gore and his band of not so merry alarmists have floated concerning a scientific consensus on man’s role in global warming losing air.
As the media continue to pound the table about the debate being over, another state climatologist has come out of the closet so to speak to voice his views about all things climate change.
As reported by the Columbus, Mississippi, Commercial Dispatch Wednesday (emphasis added throughout, h/t NBer dscott):
“First off, there isn't a consensus among scientists,” [Mississippi state climatologist Dr. Charles] Wax told the Columbus Rotary Club Tuesday. “Don't let anybody tell you there is.”
Wax spent much of his presentation telling the audience how the global climate is cyclical. It's always gone through periods of warming and cooling. As for cries of impending doom, Wax says there's tons of data on both sides - and man's ever-changing weather monitoring capability further clouds the picture.
How refreshing, wouldn’t you agree? Yet, Wax was just getting warmed up:
“I don't know if it's going to rain Thursday or not. Certainly I don't know what the temperature is going to be in 2050,” he said.
Wax said political and policy confusion have fueled the debate over global warming, and changes in the way weather is tracked have added to the confusion.
“In 1957, all the thermometers (the government uses to track temperatures) were moved from fields onto airports,” Wax said. “It went from the Weather Bureau, which supported agriculture, to the Department of Commerce. Cities are hotter. (If you look at the numbers) you'll see a major climate change in 1957 alone.”
Those of you familiar with this debate know that this is an issue that many skeptics have pointed out, namely, that in the past 50 years, temperatures have been taken around large population centers which are inherently warmer. As such, comparing these readings to temperatures before this point is comparing apples to oranges.
The article expounded on this theme:
Wax showed Rotarians graphs of climate trends over 11,000 years, pointing out the cycles global temperatures have gone through. He said the rise of civilization coincided with a warming period.
“There was a little ice age from 1400 to 1800,” Wax said. “We're warming back up, but it's not nearly as warm as it was 2,000 or 7,000 years ago.”
Wax then addressed Gore’s contention in his schlockumentary “An Inconvenient Truth” that the 2005 hurricane season was tied to global warming:
Wax said the 2005 hurricane season was the result of a decades-long natural cycle coming around at the same time that all six weather variables needed for hurricanes to form were above normal levels.
Then, when forecasters called for another terrible hurricane season in 2006, all was quiet.
“The vertical wind shear blasted everything off,” Wax said. “There wasn't a single hurricane. It's become known as the ‘Year of Shear'.”
Finally, Wax addressed the folly in comparing recent hurricane activity to that of the past given radical technological increases in the way such storms are measured and observed:
That 2005 hurricane season set a record for named tropical cyclone activity. The previous worst year was 1933.
“Are totally different things happening now? I think probably not - we're just seeing more,” Wax said.“I think 1933 was worse. In ‘06, we had satellites, radar and people flying around looking at storms,” he continued. “In 1933, we had people on ships and people on land waiting for the storms to hit. When you're on a ship, if you see a storm you head the other way. We still managed to find 25.”
For those unfamiliar, this is quite the same case made by the National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration’s Chris Landsea as reported by NewsBusters last August.
Sadly, this is another inconvenient truth the media don’t want to share with the citizenry.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.















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You don't have to be a state
May 17, 2007 - 13:42 ET by mattmYou don't have to be a state climatologist to know this stuff, all you need is logic...which is why Chicken Little, a.k.a. Al The-Sky-Is-Falling Gore, can't get his small brain around it.
What's the forecast? Take a jacket.
Fatty Gore the Sky is falling
May 17, 2007 - 20:35 ET by Brownback for PrezI would refer Mr. Gore to the link last week on Newsbusters that said that tourism in Russia and Canada would increase because of global warming. There are benefits and those are some good ones. ALso the report on Newsbusters said that American south would become simialr to the deserts of Africa. I Dont think CHicken little Gore can grasp these positives.!!!!
Tell 'em how it is Dr. Wax!
May 18, 2007 - 01:43 ET by carolina conservativeI studied graduate level meteorology/climatology under Dr. Wax, and it's good to see him out there making waves. In my 7 years of college, Dr. Wax was one of my favorite professors. It was evident from his lectures that he loves his job, both the teaching and the subject matter. Given their respective credentials, I'll gladly believe anything Dr. Wax has to say about the climate over anything that spews from Doktor Gore. Heck, I'll believe anything Dr. Wax has to say about the ins and outs of politics over Gore.
"I don't know if it's go
May 17, 2007 - 13:56 ET by Hero SquadI think they're calling for partly cloudy in 2050.
This is great, Noel! I love to see more and more reputable scientists putting chink after chink into the armor of the Glorious Global Warming Consensus Army. Keep 'em coming!
(In that photo... is that steam pouring out of Al Gore's head?)
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This makes my day...wonder ho
May 17, 2007 - 14:16 ET by bigtimerThis makes my day...wonder how long it is gonna take for Algore to bite the dust...
LOL!
Whats with the smiling Gore...I miss the picture of the fire coming out of his mouth...I will forever think of him that way from all the photos we have had of him with that depiction...I love it!
“In 1957, all the thermom
May 17, 2007 - 14:17 ET by Dave in Texas“In 1957, all the thermometers (the government uses to track temperatures) were moved from fields onto airports,” Wax said. “It went from the Weather Bureau, which supported agriculture, to the Department of Commerce. Cities are hotter. (If you look at the numbers) you'll see a major climate change in 1957 alone.”
Thank you Dr. Charles. It bugs me when the media and the alarmists act like weather data has always been collected the same way, even 100 years ago. It also bugs me when they act like that data is 100% accurate and not to be questioned, when in reality, there were probably several "measurements" that went something like this:
"Hey Bob. Did you check the thermometer today?"
"Uh, no. I forgot. Just put down what yesterday's reading was."
"Eh, I don't know. It felt a little cooler to me."
"Okay, then take off a couple of degrees."
If they extrapolated the numb
May 17, 2007 - 14:27 ET by Hero SquadIf they extrapolated the numbers from 1957 the way they're trying to do it today, They probably would've been saying, "By the year 2007, temperatures will be 100 degrees in the arctic, iceburgs will all melt and Nebraska will become a coastal state.
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Dear IPCC:We're starting to s
May 17, 2007 - 14:40 ET by dahliatraversDear IPCC:
We're starting to seriously haemorrhage climatologists. De-certifying, marginalizing and even ridiculing the dissenters hasn't slowed the flow. Any new ideas would be appreciated.
Your friend,
Al
Poor guy.
May 17, 2007 - 14:43 ET by c5thenhe didn't get the memo that all debate is now over? Now Dr. Heidi Hitler of the weather channel will be after his certification and push for him to be fired because he dares to put forth a contrary viewpoint to her.
Doesn't he know that scientists are supposed to toe the party line and not question the political authorities? That's how so much progress has been made over the last couple hundred years.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic
"“In 1957, all the t
May 17, 2007 - 14:57 ET by ckc1227"“In 1957, all the thermometers (the government uses to track temperatures) were moved from fields onto airports,” Wax said."
Not only that, but during the 90's, the so-called hottest decade ever, when average temperatures skyrocketed, hundreds of temperature measuring stations were closed, many of which were located in the coldest parts of the planet. Now, is there any chance that removing that variable might have an effect on the overall average?
Furthermore, computer models that predict gloom and doom in the future can't even accurately portray what happened in the past, yet we're supposed to buy into their predictions for the future?
If my memory is correct. Ther
May 18, 2007 - 07:52 ET by danboIf my memory is correct. There were many reporting stations closed in the 1980's. Again in mainly rural and remote locations. These were closed due to budget. This also is reflected in the trend.
It's my understanding that there was no reported warming in the former USSR until after the USSR broke up. And they closed a lot of stations. Leaving mainly urban/airport stations.
The trend in the number of reporting stations can be found on this page.
Add to that the change to remote sensing verses, the physical act of going to the thermometer, opening up the box it's in, thus letting the heat escape, then reading the thermometer.
This is a dirty data set.
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Yet another serious flaw in t
May 18, 2007 - 10:49 ET by dahliatraversYet another serious flaw in the theory of AGW.
Good link, danbo.
An Inconvenient Youth
May 17, 2007 - 14:59 ET by Hero SquadIf you haven't seen it yet, check out Jimmy Kimmel's "An Inconvenient Youth." Good stuff!
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HS
May 17, 2007 - 15:51 ET by Noel SheppardHS,
Delicious. Absolutely delicious. Thanks! ns
Alright! That's it for me. Go
May 17, 2007 - 16:18 ET by Hero SquadAlright! That's it for me. Goodnight everybody!
(Makes a George Costanza exit on a high note.)
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Doesn't Gore look soooo smu
May 17, 2007 - 15:03 ET by MightyMouthDoesn't Gore look soooo smug in the picture, It's almost like you can read his mind: "hehe...Suckas!!!"
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Hey MM
May 17, 2007 - 15:13 ET by JimboI'm laughing to myself. I had a whole different interpretation. I got the impression that there wasn’t a single neuron firing in that skull. Zero. Nada. None.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Now that I take a second lo
May 17, 2007 - 15:16 ET by MightyMouthNow that I take a second look... you may be right! Kind of like he's stuffed! We'll he's always been stuffed but...oh you know what I mean!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
How we know temperatures are rising
May 18, 2007 - 05:29 ET by John CookDebunking global warming by saying thermometers were moved from fields to airports is laughable. Current temperature trends has been measured and confirmed from multiple, independent sources including:
All these paint a similar picture of temperature change and global warming.
Global Warming ????
January 7, 2008 - 18:18 ET by Auggie56Christian Conservative that votes Republican.
Gee I guess were in trouble. A whole degree since 1600.
And, combined with proven w
May 18, 2007 - 05:34 ET by sarcasmoAnd, combined with proven warming we're seeing on planets like Mars and Neptune, your links all tell us exactly nothing about how much (if any) of earth's current warming trend is the result of man's activities and how much is the result of the sun. But let's raise all possible taxes and pass lots of control-freak laws anyway.
JMR
Warming trends and the sun
May 18, 2007 - 06:22 ET by John CookI wasn't addressing the cause of global warming in my reply - I was addressing the issue of temperature trends. The article was casting doubts on the current documented rate of global warming based on a single measuring technique when the rate has been confirmed by multiple techniques.
So if based on your response, you acknowledge there is global warming going on, the next question is what's causing it. Let's at least eliminate the idea that the sun is getting hotter. Solar irradience has been steady over the past few decades, confirmed by:
Solar storms continually vary the output of the sun
May 18, 2007 - 06:54 ET by sarcasmoSolar storms continually vary the output of the sun, and affect earth's upper atmosphere in visibly changed ways year to year as reflected in the "Northern Lights." To imply that the sun is a stable system is contrary to science, and the sun is orders of magnitude larger than earth despite its visible perspective size being similar to that of the moon. What's warming these planets, if not the sun? Magic?? Those 2 SUVs we sent in the case of Mars??? And I'm dubious of images like this, even as they seem to support my theory, as I doubt strongly measurements were ever-taken in 1401...
JMR
The article was casting doubt
May 18, 2007 - 10:31 ET by taznarNo, they don't confirm the rate.
First, many of the other methodologies haven't been around long enough to yield an independant rate determination of any reliability.
Second, those methodologies are still maturing and changing. We just saw in the article the problem with changing methodologies.
Third, weather balloon and satellite measurements often conflict with surface measurements and yield different rates.
Nobody is arguing climate isn't changing (it has since Earth Day #1), or that it hasn't been warming since the last ice age. But what is the real rate of change? That debate is still ongoing in the scientific community.
Umm John, you best check your
May 18, 2007 - 12:59 ET by dscottUmm John, you best check your figures again. You need to get timely data from SCORCE. The TSI (Total Solar Irradiance) has been steadily falling, following the decreasing sunspot and magnetic plage.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Falling irradience
May 18, 2007 - 17:20 ET by John Cookdscott, I wouldn't broadcast that data around too much - falling or steady irradience (eg - fluctuating but not a rising trend such as in the early 20th century, thanx for the clarification, sarcasmo) is the big flaw in theories like the brightening sun is causing global warming (and also causing the other planets to warm). Thanks for the link!
The falling trend occured &qu
May 20, 2007 - 16:08 ET by dscottThe falling trend occured "since" the 1998 height of the solar cycle. You are mixing two sets of data (early 20th century & current decreasing TSI) when you make such statements which is the exact same failure of methodology Mann fell into when he created the hockey stick and also with the CO2 chart. Honestly, liberals should be banned from science or making statements concerning science altogether because they can't coherently interpret data.
The more you play the rhetorical game, the less credibility you have.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
I'd be very interested in t
May 18, 2007 - 05:45 ET by Jack BauerI'd be very interested in the sea temperature data from 765 AD. I assume you have that readily to hand. You know, for the sake of accurate comparison.
In fact, given that we've had climate on the planet for the past 4 billion years, how about the sea temperature from 373,649 years ago.
You as a matter of absolute fact, did you know that the air temperature in urban areas in higher than in non-urban areas. So your "laughable" comment is it, in fact, laughable.
I think what we're both say
May 18, 2007 - 05:57 ET by sarcasmoI think what we're both saying is that our newfound friend has literally pegged the driveby-detector, possibly on his very first post...
JMR
sarc -- manmade global warm
May 18, 2007 - 06:10 ET by Jack Bauersarc -- manmade global warming is the new religion. (Not an original observation on my part, but true none the less.)
Hey, let's massively change the most successful economic system devised by man in a fit of self-flagelation, starting with a massive hike in taxes...
Maybe that'll stop all those manmade earthquakes and volcanoes too.
If lib***ls teach us one thing -- it's that mankind is way more powerful than the Earth's mantle/core and the Sun combined.
Saying that, when you think
May 18, 2007 - 06:51 ET by sarcasmoSaying that, when you think about it, is sort of an insult to religion, since despite ample BS there's at least a smidgen of scientific proof that prayer works. :) I keep wanting a response -- or at least context -- from the left regarding the consistent pattern of warming on other planets sharing this solar system.
JMR
Yes, I should have said an
May 18, 2007 - 07:44 ET by Jack BauerYes, I should have said an ersatz religion.
The problems with each and ev
May 18, 2007 - 08:00 ET by danboThe problems with each and everyone of his supporting contentions from sea suface temps to satallites to bore holes to balloons have been addressed. They only support AGW when you eliminate a lot of raw data or unless you adjust it..
It's part of the lie of AGW.
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The only way to arrive at suc
May 18, 2007 - 10:34 ET by dscottThe only way to arrive at such temperature measurements before 150 years ago is to use proxy methods. Each method has it's temperature range. This is how Mann committed the hockey stick fraud by mixing the various methods to make a composite graphic.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Roundup of World Views on t
May 18, 2007 - 13:24 ET by MilesDRoundup of World Views on the State of Science in the US
In Iraq, I met a group of Russians trying to get business there. Somebody mentioned Al Gore. Loud laughter from the Russians. "How did you get yourselves back to the days of witchcraft?"
I told him that we didn't, and we weren't responsible for exporting it, either. (So I exaggerated a little)