This is really delicious, folks, and definitely requires potables, combustibles, and sharp objects to be properly stowed.
Schlockumentarist and radical leftwing activist Michael Moore challenged possible Republican presidential candidate Fred Thompson to a debate Tuesday; Thompson comically responded by video (available here).
*****Interesting International Update: So much for all politics being local. Andrew Bolt of Australia's Herald Sun linked to this piece at his blog Thursday.
Moore’s challenge, posted at his website, began (emphasis added throughout):
Given that it has been publicly reported in The Weekly Standard, a leading neo-conservative publication, that you support Fidel Castro and the Cuban regime by being a purveyor of fine Cuban exports despite the trade embargo, I was surprised to see your recent op ed in a more traditional conservative outlet, The National Review, regarding my trip to Cuba (I suspect you choose The National Review in an effort to pander to an outlet that had criticized you for your opposition to medical malpractice legislation).
[…]
Putting aside the fact that you, like the Bush Administration, seem far more concerned about the trip to Cuba than the health care of these 9/11 heroes, I was struck by the fact that your concerns (including comments about Castro's reported financial worth) apparently do not extend to your own conduct, as reported in The Weekly Standard's April 23, 2007 story, “From the Courthouse to the White House Fred Thompson auditions for the leading role.”
[…]
In light of your comments regarding Cuba and Castro, do you think the “box upon box of cigars – Montecristos from Havana” that you have in your office have contributed to Castro's reported wealth?
While I will leave it up to the conservatives to debate your hypocrisy and the Treasury Department to determine whether the “box upon box of cigars” violates the trade embargo, I hereby challenge you to a health care debate.
In his declination video to Moore, Thompson said:
You know, the next time your down in Cuba visiting your buddy Castro, you might ask him about another documentary filmmaker. His name is Nicolás Guillén. He did something Castro didn’t like, and they put him in a mental institution for several years giving him devastating electroshock treatments.
Mental institution, Michael. Might be something you ought to think about.
For those interested, Thompson was referring to Nicolás Guillén Landrián, who died on July 22, 2003, having made eighteen documentaries, with several winning awards in Europe.
According to “Blog of Death,”:
[H]e was expelled from Cuba's Institute of Cinematography for making a movie that mocked the Cuban dictator. In the late 1960s, Guillén was accused of plotting to kill Castro. He was imprisoned for two years, then confined for nearly a decade to mental institutions where he was subjected to electroshock therapy.
The New York Daily News reported Wednesday:
Thompson's stogie stunt surprised Moore.
"Why would a potential presidential candidate provide photographic evidence of himself committing a felony?" the director told us last night before he showed his film to the 9/11 workers he'd brought to Cuba.
"Someone should tell him that 'Law & Order' isn't just a TV show, it's real life. I hope the federal government will take the proper and necessary actions against him for violating the law."
Stay tuned.
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Moore
May 16, 2007 - 09:21 ET by desertphreakelectroshock therapy on Michael Moore...Now THAT I'd pay to see!
Michael Moore fears the "
May 16, 2007 - 10:20 ET by ZoneDaiatlasMichael Moore fears the "TRUTH" about the so called free health care in Cuba...
TheRealCuba.com
Hey, Mike, do you smell bratw
May 17, 2007 - 11:05 ET by drillanwrHey, Mike, do you smell bratwurst roasting???
Thanks for the background on
May 16, 2007 - 09:22 ET by Hero SquadThanks for the background on Nicolas Guillen. Fred Thompson is looking more presidential following this brief but brilliant reply.
Moore's reply to the reply was hardly a surprise:
Because as we all know, ALL cigars come from Cuba. Did Thompson ever say his cigar was Cuban?
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"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello
Hero Squad - Moore said it wa
May 16, 2007 - 09:42 ET by ding7777Hero Squad - Moore said it was reported in a Weekly Standard interview
Did you know that there is a
May 16, 2007 - 10:09 ET by BDDid you know that there is a market for "Pre-Embargo Cuban Cigars.?"
The going rate for these cigars is quite hefty.
BD - REON has many pre-emba
May 16, 2007 - 10:40 ET by ding7777BD - REON has many pre-embargo cigars for sale but no Cuban Montecristos, let alone boxes upon boxes of them.
I personally don't care which cigar he smokes, only that he gives speeches about undermining the "rule of law", while using a loophole to skirt the law for his own pleasure.
So, your source is the only o
May 16, 2007 - 10:42 ET by BDSo, your source is the only one?
So, you trust the conservative news organization on the subject of a spotting of a box of cigars? What else do you trust them on? Defense? Taxes?
BD - Has Thompson denied the
May 16, 2007 - 10:51 ET by ding7777BD - Has Thompson denied the "boxes upon boxes" of Cuban cigars?
Ding when are you going to st
May 16, 2007 - 10:52 ET by Dan The Man 2Ding when are you going to stop beating your boyfriend?
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
Technically...TECHNICALLY...I
May 16, 2007 - 11:46 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveTechnically...TECHNICALLY...If there's a "loophole" then he isn't undermining the law...the law failed (purposely or unintentionally) to cover every circumstance. And as someone else noted, whoever said they were in fact Cubans?
"Believe what you want. You work your side of the street, and I'll work mine." --Frank Bullitt
So then i reason: the inte
May 16, 2007 - 10:17 ET bySo then i reason: the interviewer examined the boxes or assumed?
Either way it's a much less pertainent a subject as Mikeys Haliburton stock
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
I'm referring to the cigar in
May 16, 2007 - 10:33 ET by Hero SquadI'm referring to the cigar in the video... is it a Cuban or not? If it is, is it a pre-embargo Cuban? Those are very important points to be known before accusing someone of an illegal act. Not that Michael Moore would necessarily care if it the cigars were legal before levelling an attack on someone.
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"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello
Hero Squad - What difference
May 16, 2007 - 10:46 ET by ding7777Hero Squad - What difference does it make what Thompson had in the video? Moore was responding the Weekly Standard interview - not the video.
The video allows the cigar smoking Thompson to muddy the water (you are an example of the success of that!) to deny his "boxes upon boxes" of embargoed Cuban cigars.
Ummm... well Moore DID repl
May 16, 2007 - 10:50 ET by Challenger GrimUmmm... well Moore DID reply to the video:
"Why would a potential presidential candidate provide photographic evidence of himself committing a felony? Someone should tell him that 'Law & Order' isn't just a TV show, it's real life. I hope the federal government will take the proper and necessary actions against him for violating the law."
So are you going to talk about THAT reply?
And how exactly does the video allow him to "muddy" the waters and "deny" that he has cigars? Is it the same crap logic that says global warming will lead to a new ice age?
Challenger Grim - from Moore'
May 16, 2007 - 10:58 ET by ding7777Challenger Grim - from Moore's challenge posted at the top of the page:
? Ding, and Moore's reply
May 16, 2007 - 11:02 ET by Challenger Grim? Ding, and Moore's reply to the video is at the bottom of the page.
ur point?
I'm wondering how the journ
May 16, 2007 - 17:51 ET by GatorBuilderI'm wondering how the journalist knew the cigars were from Cuba. The way the article reads, it sounds like the assumption was made that they were from Cuba. I can go down to the local cigar shop and buy Montecristos from Havana -- only they're not really from Havana, just like the Cohiba's that I can buy there, also. There are "imitations" of every Cuban cigar brand possible available in the states that look exactly like the true Cubans.
As usual, liberals spouting a supposed fact often enough and loud enough to make it a "truth" and divert attention from a true, logical debate.
ding, it makes all the differ
May 16, 2007 - 14:40 ET by Hero Squadding, it makes all the difference in the world, since Thompson smoking in the video is exactly what Moore was referring to in his follow up. Whether you wish to believe it or not.
Moore's quick judgment of Thompson further erodes Moore's already weak credibility. What's ironic is that Moore is using this as a pathetic attempt to smokescreen his own illegal activities, yet you accuse Thompson of trying to muddy the water?
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"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello
In an effort to relieve your
May 16, 2007 - 11:48 ET by NL207In an effort to relieve your liberal angst over whatever label of cigars Fred Thompson smokes, you need to comprehend that (1) Montecristo brand cigars are widely and legally distributed in the United States, since most of them are not actually made in Cuba anymore, and (2) There is no evidence whatsoever that Fred Thompson's Montecristos are anything other than the legal trade fare sold by fine tobacconists all over the US. and just because that fat slob Michael Moore or some magazine says differently doesn't make it so. What is the basis of their knowledge?
Does it matter?
May 16, 2007 - 13:54 ET by Mr. BishopDoes it really matter the legality of it, to ding? I am thinking not. You can go to Canada and buy boxes of Cubans, without much thought whatsoever. It's not illegal to smoke them in the US, so buying them in Canada (if that is what happened), and then smoking them here is perfectly legal.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
It's illegal to import them [
May 16, 2007 - 14:34 ET by NL207It's illegal to import them [habanos], even if you buy them in Canada.
As a cigar afficanado, I wish I could buy them legally here, though I do not really like Montecristos, I do like la Gloriana Cubanas and a couple of the other genuine Cuban brands. Unfortunately for the Cubans, the Dominican, Honduran and Nicarauguan makers are now producing cigars on par with real havanas. Many of these are under Cuban labels, but have no origins in Cuba making them perfectly legal here.
Odd
May 16, 2007 - 14:37 ET by Mr. BishopI know of someone that did buy them in Canada, and brought them here, even declaring them to border patrol. No one seemed to care. He bought a massive box of them at the time. I wonder if he was well aware that his actions were illegal. Even more wonderous -- I wonder why the border patrol did not confiscate them.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
Nevermind -- I know why...
May 16, 2007 - 14:41 ET by Mr. BishopPrior to 1996, it was perfectly legal to buy Cubans in Canada, and transport them to the United States. My friend who bought the Cubans, did so in 1995. It was not until the passage of the Helms-Burton Act of 1996, that it became illegal to transport across the border after buying from a foreign country. Now I know why it was legal to do so before, and not legal now...
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
Proving once again that all
May 17, 2007 - 02:34 ET by liberal_bug_zapperProving once again that all liberals are stupid;
Montecristo is of course the world's most famous cigar trademark. Originating in Cuba, any Montecristo distributed in the U.S. is manufactured by hand in the Dominican Republic. For those of you of the Liberal persuasion.... that ain't Cuba. Same trademark band, same look, same tobacco (grown in the Dominican Republic as well).
Geez... this was too easy.
The reason why Senator Thompson does not respond is because the claim is baseless and without any validity or merit at all. Not to mention that Moore is a complete brainless twit.
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"We can only reason from what is; we can reason on actualities, but not on possibilities." ~ Thomas Paine
Earth to Michael Moore: You
May 16, 2007 - 10:05 ET by Michael ChapmanEarth to Michael Moore: You can drive over the border to Canada and buy Cuban cigars. Oh, most of Europe sells them too, and South America, and, and , and .... And, I storngly suspect that those "boxes and boxes" of Cuban cigars in Thompson's office were gifts from lobbyists and friends. Nearly every congressman in Washington gets those from all sorts of people, including from Hollywood big-wigs.
Michael needs to realize that
May 16, 2007 - 10:40 ET by Hero SquadMichael needs to realize that the Great White North is more than just the land of Canadian Bacon.
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"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello
Advice to Thompson: "T
May 16, 2007 - 09:28 ET by MightyMouthAdvice to Thompson: "That's it, that smack was what Moore deserved. Now just let it gooooooooo! Never mention the chubby hot dog vessel again!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
LOL. Agreed. Love the vid! An
May 16, 2007 - 10:22 ET by tracheostomyLOL. Agreed. Love the vid! And here's hoping this doesn't drag out. But if it did, I'm sure Thompson could easily put him in his place.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
I am thinking if it does dr
May 16, 2007 - 10:30 ET by MightyMouthI am thinking if it does drag out, it would only hurt Thompson, even though he can easily put Moore in his place. The point here is: Thompson (who is not actually in the race) has NOTHING (politically) to gain by sparring with Moore. And if Thompson does continue this Moore thing, I think it will be an indicator that Thompson does NOT plan to enter the race. Of course I may be wrong, unlike sarcasmo, I HAVE been wrong before :-) (how about that Ron Paul?!!!)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Priceless!I'm laughing so har
May 16, 2007 - 09:34 ET by bigtimerPriceless!
I'm laughing so hard first thing this morning....
Thank you Noel, thank you Fred Thompson and thank you Moore for being the cause of all of this.
BEAUTIFUL!
Thompson/Hunter
That seals it! My vote is
May 16, 2007 - 09:36 ET by The Wicked ConservativeThat seals it! My vote is for Thompson. This is what I've been dreaming of. A republican that will stand up and say, "STUFF IT LIBTARD!!!"
Stop laying down and letting yourself get kicked. Be a man stand up, offer the other cheek and humiliate the cowards.
Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. Talk sense to a
liberal and he calls you a racist, sexist, biggot, homophobe, denier.
I'd love to see Michael Moore
May 16, 2007 - 09:44 ET by whatajoyI'd love to see Michael Moore undergo electroshock therapy, biting down on a wooden mouth piece and being strapped down to a table. Interesting visual! Moore is a total idiot and is just Rosie O'Donnell with a penis. Hey, Rosie O'Donnell - electroshock therapy? Hmm! That sounds awesome! Is there a viewing room or balcony we can sit and watch this done to her and Moore? And what if they got done with a few treatments mumbling, "Bush is awesome. I love Bush. I love America. God Bless America!" LOL When pigs fly, ey?
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Wait... Micheal Moore is a
May 16, 2007 - 09:59 ET by Challenger GrimWait... Micheal Moore is a man?
Hang on... Rosie ISN'T?
Next you're going to tell me the easter bunny isn't real.
I always thought Michael Moor
May 16, 2007 - 10:36 ET by Hero SquadI always thought Michael Moore was Rosie O'Donnell without the stones.
*****
"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello
He's got the "boobs&qu
May 16, 2007 - 10:42 ET by MightyMouthHe's got the "boobs" though!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Has anyone every seen Michael
May 16, 2007 - 11:50 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveHas anyone ever seen Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell together in the same place? You know like Clark Kent and Superman or Michael Jackson and Janet Jackson?
"Believe what you want. You work your side of the street, and I'll work mine." --Frank Bullitt
hmmm... or Ron Paul and Ros
May 16, 2007 - 11:57 ET by MightyMouthhmmm... or Ron Paul and Ross Perot?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Weird, I thougth it was the
May 16, 2007 - 12:39 ET by Challenger GrimWeird, I thougth it was the other way around (Rosie was Mike WITH the stones).
ROFLOLOL OMG!! This is a
May 16, 2007 - 13:26 ET by whatajoyROFLOLOL OMG!! This is a riot!!
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Moore
May 16, 2007 - 09:45 ET by iveseenitallThompson said he doesn't have time for Moore on his schedule. Good for him. He dismissed the fat slob with a wave his hand. Just what all these jerks need. Only the liberal MSM would pay any attention to the likes of Moore, the ugly hypocrite.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
Out of curiosity, I looked
May 16, 2007 - 09:55 ET by kcmt1Out of curiosity, I looked up Montecristo cigars. According to the company that makes them, they are made from plants which originated in Cuba and are now grown mostly in The Dominican Republic, as well as Mexico and even Connecticut, as well as others. No tobacco from Cuba is used.
Don't confuse ding with facts
May 16, 2007 - 11:10 ET by SouthJersey1953Don't confuse ding with facts.....he has a new 'subject' to attack!!!
No RINOs in '08 - Vote for a true conservative (like Fred)!
Well, this cigar business is
May 16, 2007 - 12:56 ET by TruthMongerWell, this cigar business is certainly a hell of a lot more important than combatting terrorists and illegal aliens...
I'm glad the libs are on it - they may just take back the White House with it...
Fred Thompson the owner of
May 16, 2007 - 10:01 ET by ding7777Fred Thompson the owner of embargoed "box upon box of cigars -- Montecristos from Havana" still manages to give a speech about those who undermine rule of law.
Dingdo you or Mikey have ANY
May 16, 2007 - 10:04 ET byDing
do you or Mikey have ANY concrete proof that Fred has ANY cigars from Cuba?
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
kcmt1 pointed out above: &
May 16, 2007 - 10:08 ET by Challenger Grimkcmt1 pointed out above:
"Out of curiosity, I looked up Montecristo cigars. According to the company that makes them, they are made from plants which originated in Cuba and are now grown mostly in The Dominican Republic, as well as Mexico and even Connecticut, as well as others. No tobacco from Cuba is used."
That's what I'm guessing is behind Fred's actions. He's deliberately flaunting the cigar to get people to look it up and realize it's not from cuba and make Moore look like the fact fabricator that he is.
Challenger Grim - Moore is r
May 16, 2007 - 10:22 ET by ding7777Challenger Grim - Moore is responding to a Weekly Standard interview which states that Thompson had "box upon box of cigars--Montecristos from Havana" - not Thompson's video rebutal. And even thosugh there are other Montecristos, Cuban Montecristos are made in Cuba.
So you finally trust the Week
May 16, 2007 - 10:44 ET by BDSo you finally trust the Weekly Standard?
Only when it's convenient, ap
May 16, 2007 - 10:53 ET by Roger the ShrubberOnly when it's convenient, apparently.
That's what I was ADDRESSIN
May 16, 2007 - 10:48 ET by Challenger GrimThat's what I was ADDRESSING dingbat (I just then followed with a theory about Fred's actions in the video).
Let's try this again from here:
"Through the efforts of Alfred Dunhill, Ltd., the Montecristo brand became incredibly popular worldwide and to this day accounts for roughly 50% of Habanos SA's worldwide cigar sales, making it the most popular Cuban cigar in the world. After the Cuban Revolution and the nationalization of the cigar industry in Cuba in 1961, Menéndez and García fled to the Canary Islands where they re-established the brand, but were later forced to quit due to copyright disputes with Cubatabaco. In the mid-1970s, the operation was moved to La Romana in the Dominican Republic and released for the US market, where Cuba's rights to the brand weren't recognized due to the embargo. Menéndez, García, y Cía is now owned by Altadis SA, who controls its distribution and marketing in the United States."
There's also this note:
"The cigar became inextricably intertwined with U.S. political history on February 7, 1962, when United States President John F. Kennedy, intending to sanction Fidel Castro's communist government, imposed a trade embargo on Cuba. Americans were thus prohibited from purchasing what were at the time considered the finest cigars on the market, and Cuba was deprived of a large portion of its customers. According to Pierre Salinger, then Kennedy's press secretary, the president ordered him on the evening of February 6 to obtain a thousand H. Upmann brand petit corona Cuban cigars; upon Salinger's arrival with the cigars the following morning, Kennedy signed the executive order which put the embargo into effect.[2] Cigars (and tobacco leaves) imported prior to the embargo are not considered contraband, and are known as "pre-embargo Cubans." "
So were these pre-embargo cigars? How much of a cigar expert was the report's author? Are they SURE they were cuban MCs? I can't find any note about different MC logos, so at the moment I assume that cuban and DR cigar brands carry the same logo. (especially since copyright laws are notoriously lax outside the US) So both you and MM are basing an argument on one article and one person's observation without any further verification or rebuttal of other possibilities. I actually agree with Mikey: I can't believe Fred would appear in a video with an illegal item. Thus, I'd put money on the montecristo in question being the legal variety, or the reporter from the standard interview just being mistaken or wrong about the cigars.
same logo- Nearly. Exactly
May 16, 2007 - 13:17 ET by InsufficientContextsame logo- Nearly. Exactly the same with the exception of the word 'Habana' being replaced by...a squiggle? Might be 3 cursive letters, can't seem to find a decent picture. Regardless, the boxes are even the same color yellow. Unless one were to look really close it would be hard to distinguish a box of Cuban Montecristos from a box of Dominican Montecristos, assuming the person knew the subtle difference in logos to begin with.
Thanks for the update, that
May 16, 2007 - 13:43 ET by Challenger GrimThanks for the update, that's exactly what I was wondering about is how the reporter knew those were cubans. So i'm guessing ding doesn't have a case until it's proven concusively that those cigars were cubans. And I'm sure if there's ever any investigation into those cigars being cubans, we'll hear about it endlessly from the MSM.
Be sure to get your daily Fred Thompson Fact!
Havana
May 16, 2007 - 14:04 ET by Mr. BishopThere is a Havana in Florida...
However -- that completely aside -- I guess it's been too much for you to notice that I can go to Canada, buy a box of Cubans, made in Cuba, and bring them back to the United States -- and there is nothing illegal about that. It does not violate the trade embargo of the US. I also found a website online, based in Geneva, that allows me to buy Montecristo A's for $788/box of 25. They'll even deliver it to my house in the states for $20.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
botg - it was posted here
May 16, 2007 - 10:09 ET by ding7777botg - it was posted here
Wherever the cigars origina
May 16, 2007 - 10:10 ET by Jack BauerWherever the cigars originated, hopefully they were loving rolled along the exotic thighs of dusky skinned maidens.
whaaahahaaa!
May 16, 2007 - 13:06 ET by tumbler_2007". . . loving rolled along the exotic thighs of dusky skinned maidens !
LOVINGLY ! The key word, JB. You're cool!
I myself came back with one -count 'em, one Monte Cristo, which I'd promised to a neighbor upon my return from the old country. One cigar costing Tumbleweed 12 Euros. These are now encased in a vinyl tube. (To pass a metal-detector in airport security.)
Officially, now. This dude is a CRIMINAL, by criteria expressed around here. He smuggled a ceegar which comes from an embargoed market. (Not embargoed in Rome, where laws are actually made to be broken. Always were.)
Tumbler, I'm sorry I just can
May 16, 2007 - 13:36 ET by InsufficientContextTumbler, I'm sorry I just can't resist this. I honestly like your opinion on certain subjects and value your candor. In fact, my very first post was in defense of a comment you made. That being said.......Have illegal immigrants tried out that whole "encased in a vinyl tube" thing?
They have tried the "e
May 16, 2007 - 13:44 ET by MightyMouthThey have tried the "encased in a car" thing.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
lol...wait a minute, is that
May 16, 2007 - 13:51 ET by InsufficientContextlol...wait a minute, is that a vinyl seat?!
Well it aint Corinthian lea
May 16, 2007 - 13:55 ET by MightyMouthWell it ain't Corinthian leather! Or is it?? hmmm...
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I truly don't know
May 16, 2007 - 14:06 ET by tumbler_2007Insufficently,
I can't really say. I know poor folks in Tijuana like vinyl as a roofing material in some sorry-@ss neighborhoods. (It's better than nothing.)
You know, a vinyl fence along our southern border would be a little cheaper to build, I think. We ought to look into it. It would prove every bit as deterrent as the heavy iron variety.
thanks for picking up my ty
May 16, 2007 - 14:09 ET by Jack Bauerthanks for picking up my typo -- loving should have read lovingly..
The far-left loonies must rea
May 16, 2007 - 10:06 ET by Dave RThe far-left loonies must really be afraid of a Fred Thompson candidacy. Otherwise, why would hotdog boy make such a highly visible pre-emptive strike against a man who isn't even officially a candidate as yet?
Next time that nitrite-preserved mass o' blubber makes it down to Cuba to visit his childhood hero, perhaps he will fall ill and find out first-hand that healthcare in Cuba essentially sucks.
This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.-Neal Boortz.
Breaking our laws and dissing
May 16, 2007 - 10:20 ET by iveseenitallBreaking our laws and dissing our country by doing what Moore did in Cuba. Smoking Cuban cigars. According to liberal logic, these are morally equivalent. Liberals are...oh, never mind.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
Just a question
May 16, 2007 - 10:19 ET by kirch66Does the embargo include Cuban cigars that he might have bought in another country such as a European country that doesn't embargo Cuban goods? Not sure, just curious. If it doesn't include them then there is no problem with him going to Europe and buying some to bring home.
Also there are tons of counterfeit Montecristo cigars around, who's to say those aren't counterfeits that he likes for the flavor. Just because they say Montecristo on them (and we don't even know if it did have that name on them) doesn't mean they are from Cuba. The reporter in the article makes that claim, not Fred. This would explain why Thompson isn't too worried about brandishing one on camera. Possibly to draw Moore into an embarrassing gotcha to show how MM twists things without getting his facts straight or intentionally lies to push HIS Leninist agendas?
I'll vote for Fred Thompson, and not because of this stupid issue. I just like the guy and like his political philosophies.
"The moment you give up your principles and your values, the moment you laugh at those principles and those values, you are dead, your culture is dead, your civilization is dead. Period." - Oriana Fallaci
I agree with you kirch. Di
May 16, 2007 - 11:00 ET by Challenger GrimI agree with you kirch. Did you see ding up there saying that the video was some attempt by Fred to DENY that he has cigars? To quote Professor Kirke (LWW) "Don't they teach logic any more?"
I have been dreaming of a Fred canadicy. It'll probably disappoint like everything else... =( Unless he lets the dems win this election (because it's highly likely they will) and is going to sweep in as America's new savior in '12, the next Regan after Gore/Clinton/Edwards/Obama 's Carter.
kirch -- Cuban cigars are
May 16, 2007 - 11:15 ET by Jack Bauerkirch -- Cuban cigars are embargoed from ALL countries and therefore cannot be legally imported.
But if this is the best the lib***ls can do -- Thompson is a shoe in.
Jack - I agree - at least h
May 16, 2007 - 13:00 ET by Dee BunkJack - I agree - at least he just smokes them
Dee-- arggghhh
May 16, 2007 - 13:59 ET by Jack BauerDee --- arggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Sometime a cigar isn't just a smoke!
Jack & Dee,I'd read 95% t
May 16, 2007 - 19:09 ET by BlondeJack & Dee,
I'd read 95% through this post, wondering how the subject could have been cigars without that being brought up!
Leave it to you two. At least you didn't utter the "Clinton" word.
Laughing.
Fred Thompson is my kinda guy. A sense of humor, and everything. What an ultimate put-down. "A mental hospital, Michael.....think about it." Too funny.
I must say that after seeing
May 17, 2007 - 09:42 ET by BDI must say that after seeing the video presentation, it was WELL DONE!
You go Fredie!!!
May 16, 2007 - 12:25 ET by c5thenThompson has just jumped up in the pack in my estimation.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic
Oh, and I'm going to start
May 16, 2007 - 12:46 ET by Challenger GrimOh, and I'm going to start promoting this on every Fred T story. Don't forget to keep up on your Fred Thompson Facts.
5/16/07's is relavent: "Unbeknownst to Michael Moore, a documentary was made of the last time Fred Thompson debated a liberal blow hard. It was called Faces of Death."
Which, I think they might actually be more true than any facts Mikey Moore uses.
"Fred Thompson underst
May 16, 2007 - 12:54 ET by MightyMouth"Fred Thompson understands women."
I am now convinced, he's my man. Heretofore, I didn't think that level of understanding was possible by a male.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Well yeah, it was verified
May 16, 2007 - 13:00 ET by Challenger GrimWell yeah, it was verified by the fact: "Fred Thompson's wit is so sharp that it can split apart atoms."
and: "While he is opposed to gay marriage, Fred Thompson is very compassionate towards gays since, in comparison to him, every man is a flaming homosexual."
What few people know is that the original Hebrew of Genesis actually says: "Let us make man in Fred Thompson's image."
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to me the only thing missing
May 16, 2007 - 13:13 ET by tumbler_2007Frankly, I only wish Fred Thompson could've actually flicked a hot ash from his whopping cigar directly on the sweaty T-shirt customarily worn by Michael the Truffle Hog. That's the only thing I miss in Freddy's video. I hope it comes to pass someday in the near future (before I die, dudes.)
"before I die dudes&qu
May 16, 2007 - 13:24 ET by MightyMouth"before I die dudes"
Why so morbid tumbler, that french and Italian cuisine catching up to ya? :-)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Hi, MM
May 16, 2007 - 13:31 ET by tumbler_2007Never get morbid, Babe.
I keep going like that Ever Ready bunny; and I'm in terrific health.
But I'm coming up to 70. November, if I arrive at all. I just want to survive till Michael Moore gets his come upping. I'll die happy, not morbozzo.
Odd
May 16, 2007 - 14:09 ET by Mr. BishopThose kinds of "facts" are the kinds that we usually joke around about with Chuck Norris on a game I play with my family online. For instance: There is no theory of evolution... only animals that Chuck Norris let live. Stuff like that.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
It's an on running joke wit
May 16, 2007 - 14:17 ET by Challenger GrimIt's an on running joke with a LOT of things.
There's Saurfang from WoW.
One of my heroes: Kyle Katarn from SW.
And who can forget Mr. T?
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Oddly enough
May 16, 2007 - 14:22 ET by Mr. BishopOddly enough... the Chuck Norris one has been the one that we have seen all over WoW for some time now... ;)
Chuck Norris's tears cure cancer -- and the reason cancer is not cured, is Chuck Norris does not cry.
Chuck Norris's daughter lost her virginity, but Chuck found it and put it back.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
Fred Thompson's response to t
May 17, 2007 - 09:48 ET by BDFred Thompson's response to the debate question "What do you dislike most about America?" would be to rip off Chris Matthew's head and shove it up his ass.
Hell yes!!!!!
Montecristo's are made in C
May 16, 2007 - 13:45 ET by picofaradpjfMontecristo's are made in Cuba and Dominican Republic by two
separate companies. Both companies use the triangle
"Monte-Cristo-Habana" logo. You can buy the Dominican
Republic version in any fine cigar shop throughout the US. source
So we have two possibilities:
1) Fred Thompson has a good hookup that smuggles in Cuban
Montecristos.
2) Fred has "box upon box" of the Dominicans and Stephen F.
Hayes doesn't know much about cigars.
And despite what Moore would like to dream, the response video has
no evidence of anything. The cigar Thompson holds lacks a band,
which makes the cigar almost impossible to identify.
Don't you all think that if F
May 16, 2007 - 17:05 ET by msh1973Don't you all think that if Fred is getting in the race he'd better jump in soon?
msh...Fred seems to be doing
May 16, 2007 - 17:10 ET by Clear thinkermsh...
Fred seems to be doing just fine without announcing.
Actually, someone mentioned here last week that Fred has to wait until his commitment with Law & Order has ended before he can announce. Has something to do with a conflict of interest.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Thompson's stogie stunt surpr
May 16, 2007 - 17:34 ET by BeukeboomThompson's stogie stunt surprised Moore.
"Why would a potential presidential candidate provide photographic evidence of himself committing a felony?" the director told us last night before he showed his film to the 9/11 workers he'd brought to Cuba.
Uh, Michael, the cigar isn't a felony. You didn't do your research:
New York, June 19, 2001 (AP) - Members of the U.S. Congress have exempted themselves from U.S. Department of the Treasury regulations that determine the value of Cuban produced products that can legally be brought back to the U.S., according to the New York-based U.S.-Cuba Trade and Economic Council Inc.
But then again, Michael Moore never let facts get in the way of his claims before, has he?
It just occurred to me. For
May 17, 2007 - 11:08 ET by JimboIt just occurred to me. For Michael Moore, perhaps the leftiest leftist out there to have gone after Thompson, he must see his as a threat to win the Presidency.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"