Update below. (16:24 EDT)
I'm not a fan of Jerry Falwell, who died today shortly after being found unconscious in his office at Liberty University at the age of 73. That said, I am quite disgusted with the pathological hatred displayed by liberal bloggers in their reactions to his death.
Jerry Falwell collapsed in his office this morning, and he’s in the hospital, and he’s “gravely unresponsive.”At a time like this, people deserve sympathy and good wishes ... except for Falwell, who is an evil sonofabitch.
John Edward's former campaign blogger Amanda Marcotte at Pandagon:
The gates of hell swing open and Satan welcomes his beloved son
No word yet on whether or not that position is shared by John and Elizabeth Edwards campaign, or how Edward's staff will spin this into a fundraising opportunity.
Tapped goes for a "twofer" slam:
I'm waiting for Pat Robertson to find a way to blame his rival's death on either feminists or witchcraft.
The hagiography to cover up a history of hate and bigotry has officially begun.
A litany of hate at the Democratic Underground.
The "Blog of the Moderate Left" is surprisingly immoderate:
I wish I believed in Hell, so I could imagine Falwell enduring the eternal torment he wished on so many.
Technorati is tracking far more venom than I even want to contemplate, and as always, Allahpundit has running updates to capture the full flavor of the Democratic hatefest.
Perhaps I'm just blind by my own biases, but I don't recall similar widespread, triumphant glee and gloating from conservatives the last time a prominent liberal activist or politician died.
Cross-posted at Confederate Yankee.
Update (Ken Shepherd | 16:24): Negative comments also heavily dominate Ana Marie Cox's post at Time magazine's "Swampland" blog.
While Cox herself played nice, it seems that Cox does read her comments, as she cribbed off one commenter to add an update:
UPDATE: Commenter Bo234 is more insightful than I was: "Actually, the first politicization of his death was by the guy filling in for Rush who couldn't wait to bash the "loony liberal left" for something they haven't even done." Good point.
You will recall that NB's executive editor Matt Sheffield noted how heavily "Swampland" bloggers refer back to liberal blogs, while largely ignoring conservative bloggers.
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I don't think we were this j
May 15, 2007 - 14:53 ET by Hero SquadI don't think we were this jubilant when Saddam Hussein was executed. And believe me, a lot of us were very jubilant at the demise of a madman murderous dictator. Sad.
Falwell lived his life the way he thought God wished, and attempted to share his beliefs with others to find the joy he had. What he did, he did because he thought it was good. I may not agree with everything he said or his tactics, but I can respect the man's heart and sincerity. I think we wanted everyone to feel God's love the way he did.
Rest in peace.
*****
"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello
...the left has never had thi
May 15, 2007 - 15:58 ET by TruthMonger...the left has never had this kind of hate for Hussein, or OBL...
Is there any question at all about the political pursuasions of the anti-Christ now:)?
It didn't take long
May 15, 2007 - 14:54 ET by goldenthroatYep, it was bound to happen - the left-coast, bleeding-heart, 'do-as-we-say-not-as-we-do' liberal media and their cronies are already ripping into Rev. Falwell's legacy.
I can only imagine what is going to be said about him by the libs over the next several days. Of course, they will ignore the fact that he established a wonderful institution of higher learning at Liberty University, built homes for unwed mothers and alcoholic rehab centers, among other ministries.
The great part about it is that, if Falwell could speak, he could have cared less about these yelping little mutts. Whether you liked him or not, Falwell made a major impact on this country's political direction and impacted thousands of lives for many decades for the cause of Christ.
See you in the kingdom, brother.
liberal hate for falwell pales in comparison
May 16, 2007 - 11:58 ET by MC RoveIf you think this was bad, just wait till I kick it! They'll be dancing in the streets when ol' terd blossom bites the big one.
Shameless, soulless, despicab
May 15, 2007 - 15:00 ET by bigtimerShameless, soulless, despicable, filthy evil creatures.
Better known as Satan....doing the devil's work.
As I posted earlier elsewhere....my prayers go out to those who loved Mr. Falwell....he was a great man IMHO.
If Chief Justice Warren and h
May 15, 2007 - 18:51 ET by balboaIf Chief Justice Warren and his associates had known God’s word and had desired to do the Lord’s will, I am quite confident that the 1954 decision [Brown v. Board of Education] would never have been made…. The facilities should be separate. When God has drawn a line of distinction, we should not attempt to cross that line.”
Yes, "great" man...
Yes, balboa a "great man".
May 16, 2007 - 08:39 ET by SportPoliticsYes, balboa a "great man".
"Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds." -- Former Klansman and current US democratic Senator Robert Byrd
"The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia .... It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state of the Union. Will you please inform me as to the possibilities of rebuilding the Klan in the Realm of W. Va .... I hope that you will find it convenient to answer my letter in regards to future possibilities." -- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd
According to the democrats " The conscience of the Senate"
"I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years." -- Democrat PRESIDENT Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One
that's not a very humble op
May 16, 2007 - 11:59 ET by MC Rovethat's not a very humble opinion at all, actually. it's a rather proud one.
own it!
As I wrote at Hotair:Can’
May 15, 2007 - 15:07 ET by kevcadAs I wrote at Hotair:
Can’t wait for Odormann’s, Tokyo Rosie’s, Bill Maher’s, etc. reactions to this news.
R.I.P. Jerry. You fought the good fight.
kevcad,Good point you made ab
May 15, 2007 - 15:22 ET by bigtimerkevcad,
Good point you made about Ubermann...I don't think he will be able to stop himself from making some ugly comments....after-all that is all the little leftist fella knows.
I told my brother, an actual
May 15, 2007 - 16:36 ET by Chris NormanI told my brother, an actual Olbermann fan, that Olbermann, being a heartless SOB, would probably name Falwell "The Worstest Deceased Person in the World"
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Thanks for highlighting the
May 15, 2007 - 15:08 ET by Ken ShepherdThanks for highlighting the Left's glee with your posts to your blog and on NB.
I would suggest two others that often escape our view as usual suspects: Gawker and Wonkette. Both deal with political news and comment but are not strictly devoted to those. As such, we tend to overlook them in favor of critiquing dKos, ThinkProgress, et al. But Gawker and Wonkette are fairly nasty with their postings.
To her credit the "Wonkette emerita," Ana Marie Cox, is not spewing such filth at her venture on Time magazine's "Swampland" blog.
Keep in mind that wonkette
May 16, 2007 - 12:01 ET by MC RoveKeep in mind that wonkette doesn't pretend to be serious, like dKos, Politico, and NB pretend to be.
I can't imagine people of sou
May 15, 2007 - 15:13 ET by NoMoreClintonsI can't imagine people of sound mind (i.e., conservatives and middle-of-the-roaders) spewing this kind of hate over . . . anything really. It truly shows the childish mentality of the liberal moonbat and (sarc on) I'm glad for them that they have this opportunity to show the world what kind hearted people they really are (/sarc). Let the rest of the world take notice.
I'm no fan of Jerry Falwell's
May 15, 2007 - 15:13 ET by daveinbocaI'm no fan of Jerry Falwell's, but I recall watching LotRings this weekend and the King of Rohan asked about the orcs "How can we resist such reckless hatred?"
Answer: With the courage of your convictions and the knowledge that good eventually triumphs over the orcs. I don't know about the fever-swamp variety.
LOTR, really? how anyone
May 16, 2007 - 12:06 ET by MC RoveLOTR, really?
how anyone can take you seriously ever again is a mystery that even the wisest ent in the forrest cannot see.
In contrast, I'm reminded of
May 15, 2007 - 15:18 ET by BradzillaIn contrast, I'm reminded of Kathleen Parker's fawning smoochfest column when Molly Ivins passed away. I rather disagreed with KP's impressions, but I was certainly not gleeful that MI was gone. I am perhaps pleased that I'll never have to read any more of her nonsensical columns, but that is entirely different.
Leftists: self-worship & self-anointment their diktat
May 15, 2007 - 15:23 ET by PlaceboHatred and vilification is a leftist tenet: Christians, whether evangelical or other denominations, all are maligned by the mass-media. Falwell, of course, was used to being targeted by the media-pagans. Being Godless is camp and a necessity to be a bona fide Liberal. Their worship is that of themselves: self-anointment and self-righteousness are part and parcel, their diktat.
Humbleness, however, cannot be learnt through self-worship and self-anointment; thus, it is they, the leftists, who, in the end, will come up short.
Rest in peace Jerry Falwell.
As a garden variety evangelic
May 15, 2007 - 15:25 ET by DilbertAs a garden variety evangelical Calvinist, I often disagreed with some of the Rev. Falwell's doctrine and his over emphasis on political activism.
That being said, as a previous poster noted, he put feet to his faith and was unapologetic on issues he and many Christians consider white or black.
My prayers to his friends, family and the members of Thomas Road Baptist Church and Liberty University.
Ps 116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD Is the death of His godly ones. (NASB)
Dilbert
A TULIP garden, Dilbert? ;)
May 15, 2007 - 15:33 ET by Ken ShepherdA TULIP garden, Dilbert? ;)
KS: or maybe a TUPIP garden!
May 15, 2007 - 15:37 ET by DilbertKS: or maybe a TUPIP garden! Which is more politically correct now, Limited Atonement or Particular Redemption?? :)
Good question, Dilbert. I'd s
May 15, 2007 - 15:45 ET by Ken ShepherdGood question, Dilbert. I'd say Particular Redemption is better in terms of semantics. I think "limited atonement" and "total depravity" in general have always been hangups for some on the semantic considerations.
I'm looking at attending a church close to my home that's Reformed AND charismatic in character. I agree with them on many points it seems and I want to check it out, but while I consider myself neutral or not solidly in either the Arminian or Calvinist "camp," I've come from the Wesleyan-Arminian tradition and only recently have I tossed around these in-house debates in my head more.
Bottom line, I need to listen to where God's calling me and trust in Him completely. I'd appreciate your prayers there.
Funny you should mention that
May 15, 2007 - 16:15 ET by tracheostomyFunny you should mention that Ken. . .
http://www.founders.org/blog/2007/04/jerry-falwells-friday-13th-declaration.html
While I'm not throwing a party like the libs, I'm not sorry to see him go. He did more damage to the cause of the gospel than we would like to believe. Wood, hay, and stubble abounded with this man.
1. He was one of the first to politicize religion. I really ain't down with that, even though we're in too deep 25 years later. No backing out now.
And it's not a church/state issue with me. I simply feel that sacred convictions and political compromise always make for the strangest of bedfellows.
2. Though he would protest to the contrary, I believe he was a moralist far and above everything else. With him, the gospel was just riding along in the backseat.
3. He publicly called limited atonement heresy only mere weeks before he died. This means he labeled like. . .me, my wife, and half the authors on my bookshelf apostate and denied verbatum Biblical doctrine. I'm still steaming from that.
May the Lord have mercy on him.
-PJ
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all your lofty convictions
May 15, 2007 - 16:39 ET by tumbler_2007Dear Trake:
Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism. Instead of remembering to respect the dead, no matter your differences, you attempt to defame a man like Falwell before the body has cooled. And over WHAT ?
Your elitist attitude about the scriptures. You are no closer to the truth than any Born Again Sunday School teacher.
But you call another Bible thumper a denier of Biblical Doctrine.
Let me say now; there IS NO bona fide "biblical doctrine." There is only apostolic doctrine; substantiated by the sole infallible interpretor of the Word of God, which is His Church. The Catholic Church, Dear. What you deem to be biblical doctrine, Jerry Falwell called humbug. You call his doctrine, just as biblical (purported) humbug. All your autonomous sects and meeting houses find something humbug about one another. NO UNITY, because you have NO authority to settle something infallibly.
Catholics are secure; we have PETER. He lives on as Christ intended, in his successors the Popes. Remember that clause --"I shall give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven."
Jesus handed Peter the KEYS, not just the Bible. ~~Keys mean complete authority; something protestants fail to understand. Wilfully, maybe; since they have no keys. Jesus said NOTHING about any "biblical doctrine."
You talk about being dead lik
May 15, 2007 - 16:43 ET by tracheostomyYou talk about being dead like it's a B A D thing Tumb.
What's your problem? I meant every bit; including the last part.
-PJ
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my dear mother died
May 15, 2007 - 16:56 ET by tumbler_2007There isn't anything B A D about it; soon we'll be together at the banquet table of the Lord; all of us, I hope.
As a Catholic I don't believe in death at all. Jesus says the simplest most direct thing; "Whoever believes in me though he be dead, yet shall he live. And whoever lives and believes in me shall never die."
I know Falwell believed in the saving power of Christ. I must remain faithful that his errors will not be held against him, since he embraced them with sincerity and faith. The fact this faith was in his private interpretations of scripture (Sola Scriptura) a method not at all supported anywhere in the Bible--
Ought not have cost him his salvation. I truly hope not; because he loved Jesus Christ. That much is evident. As with every good soul, God will be his Judge, not us.
God will be his judge. From t
May 15, 2007 - 17:59 ET by MobiusStripGod will be his judge. From this side of the Great Divide, what I found reprehensible about Falwell is that he brought the religion of the dollar to the Church of Christ for political gain. He did not seek to heal but divide for his own need for power and money- and failed the lessons of Christ for those very reasons. Falwell was the first to cast the stone and let his ambitions create hate and sow mistrust. His gospel was one of arrogant judgement while he fleeced his flock: he would have been the first moneychanger cast from the temple.
Yes, God will most certainly judge the false prophet first.
I am sure you have copious
May 15, 2007 - 18:11 ET by MightyMouthI am sure you have copious examples of the "false" teachings of this "false" prophet O Pious one? Perhaps his outreach to unwed mothers or possibly his aids outreach program or one of the numerous other outreach ministries of his church?
Don't forget, God will judge you if you fasley accuse others. Are you sure of your accusations?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
ANY preacher that focuses hat
May 15, 2007 - 18:43 ET by MobiusStripANY preacher that focuses hatred and blame on groups of people in the name of Christ and PROFITS from it is a false prophet. Falwell was that false prophet. You don't get that basic fact, do you? The lesson of the Good Samaritan is apparently lost on you- Christ's lesson of selflessness and non-judgementalism- I imagine that you would agree with Falwell when he said Mother Teresa is in it for the money. I believe she died in near poverty. But then she was Catholic! Not many Armanis in her closet, I'd bet.
Find yourself some sources outside of your limited sphere. Get some Falwell quotes from non-fundamentalist thinkers. Read his own quotes. You won't try, of course. It would not fit your style.
"ANY preacher that foc
May 15, 2007 - 21:30 ET by MightyMouth"ANY preacher that focuses hatred and blame on groups of people in the name of Christ and PROFITS from it is a false prophet"
What proof have you that Jerry Falwell was such a preacher? You are the one spewing hate towards the man. BACK IT UP IDIOT!!!!!!!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
"ANY preacher that focus
May 15, 2007 - 21:39 ET by"ANY preacher that focuses hatred and blame on groups of people
MM i thought he was refering to Oberdoof!
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
botg,Reading through the th
May 15, 2007 - 21:50 ET by MightyMouthbotg,
Reading through the thread I see the twisted freak has admitted he is a fat ass. That's ok, alot of people are fat asses, but when you're a dumb fat ass you really have nature working against you. And he can't really defend his vile opinion of Falwell because he knows damn well it's indefensible! Let me tell you something "MobiusStrip" I am gonna dog you everytime I see you! You are nothing but scum!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Let me say now; there IS NO b
May 15, 2007 - 16:57 ET by tracheostomyLet me say now; there IS NO bona fide "biblical doctrine." There is only apostolic doctrine; substantiated by the sole infallible interpretor of the Word of God, which is His Church.
Contradictions abound in that one statement alone. Doctrine simply means "teaching" Tumb. If it's apostolic, then it's Biblical. Simple. And both are inspired by God. Calm down and think before you post, man!
The Catholic Church, Dear. What you deem to be biblical doctrine, Jerry Falwell called humbug. You call his doctrine, just as biblical (purported) humbug.
I call them both painfully partial in understanding. See my previous posts on this. I have stated gladly that I would join hands with EvoFundies and RCs if they both discarded what didn't belong according to scripture.
All your autonomous sects and meeting houses find something humbug about one another. NO UNITY, because you have NO authority to settle something infallibly.
This statement is yet another example of the postmodernist "death of certainty."
It can be settled infallably. Some are simply too scared to cut off the dead and dying extremity to save the body.
Catholics are secure; we have PETER.
BALONEY! You have no idea where you will go immediately after you die. You're not even secure in knowing you'll have last rites. Don't plan any vacations to Dubai, do you?
He lives on as Christ intended, in his successors the Popes.
Who have since rejected Augustinianism for his most heretical student. What about the Tridentine Catholics?
Jesus handed Peter the KEYS, not just the Bible. ~~Keys mean complete authority; something protestants fail to understand. Wilfully, maybe; since they have no keys. Jesus said NOTHING about any "biblical doctrine."
Literal keys? Where was it written literal keys. And why after Jesus declared "Flesh and blood have not given this to you. . .upon this rock. . ." did he call Peter SATAN in the same passage?
Peter cannot be declared both Satan and Pope in the same passage. Go settle that and come on back later. M-kay?
-PJ
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Alright, gang, let's keep i
May 15, 2007 - 17:04 ET by Ken ShepherdAlright, gang, let's keep it civil.
Unlike this exchange.
LOL Ken S....that was delicio
May 15, 2007 - 17:09 ET by bigtimerLOL Ken S....that was deliciously funny...saw it all yesterday.
Good point you've just made.
Oh snap. Scientology wins t
May 15, 2007 - 17:22 ET by tracheostomyOh snap. Scientology wins the PR fight on that one. Good example there. The first one to lose his/her cool usually loses.
-PJ
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Screwed up again. The scien
May 15, 2007 - 17:46 ET by tracheostomyI screwed up again. The scientologist was "bull baiting" the reporter. See the comments.
There's how it appeared, then there was how the reporter knew what was really happening.
Brilliant.
-PJ
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Trake-- you listen to me and listen now!!
May 15, 2007 - 18:10 ET by misterbillTrake-- you listen to me and listen now!! I am the ONLY one who knows about God and what he wants. I will not bother to quote you chapter and verse as I wrote half of them. Enough is enough. Kneel before me and accept my superior wisdom and ------------sorry trake ------LOL --
I just could not resist. Keep on keepin' on. I hadn't seen this area of discourse for a couple of weeks now.
LOLZ!!! That was the best, ma
May 15, 2007 - 18:27 ET by tracheostomyLOLZ!!! That was the best, man!
-PJ
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this is too easy
May 15, 2007 - 17:44 ET by tumbler_2007"If it's apostolic, then it's Biblical. Simple. And both are inspired by God." --REPLY: Explain then, why Peter tells us not to depend on private interpretations of the scriptures. (2 Pet3 :16 (He calls you unstable.) If your doctrine's now apostolic you wouldn't have rejected the Church of Christs' apostles.
"I call them both painfully partial in understanding. See my previous posts on this. I have stated gladly that I would join hands with EvoFundies and RCs if they both discarded what didn't belong according to scripture." REPLY: Without the Catholic Church and Peter's authority, you can't declare what belongs and doesn't belong in the Bible. You're only touting your own "Bible scholarship."
" . . . another example of the postmodernist "death of certainty." REPLY: No; your sect's example of human pride. --Substituting trust in your ministers for the proven infallibility of Christ's Church; Pillar and Mainstay of the Truth -- 1 Tim :3 :15--
"It can be settled infallably. Some are simply too scared to cut off the dead and dying extremity to save the body." REPLY: OK; what else did the devil teach you, besides you're infallible, even without any authority from the apostles ?
Catholics are secure; we have PETER. --You say:
BALONEY! You have no idea where you will go immediately after you die. You're not even secure in knowing you'll have last rites. Don't plan any vacations to Dubai, do you? REPLY: A non sequitur. Is this self-confidence ? WE ARE WITH PETER. You can't confront this truth, can you ?
He lives on as Christ intended, in his successors the Popes.
Who have since rejected Augustinianism for his most heretical student. What about the Tridentine Catholics? REPLY: Another bloated non sequitur. Why waste the bandwidth, Trach--? Come up with something to justify your rejection of the holy apostles' authority over YOU and all Christians. You CAN'T, can you ?
Jesus handed Peter the KEYS, not just the Bible. ~~Keys mean complete authority; something protestants fail to understand. Wilfully, maybe; since they have no keys. Jesus said NOTHING about any "biblical doctrine."
Literal keys? Where was it written literal keys. And why after Jesus declared "Flesh and blood have not given this to you. . .upon this rock. . ." did he call Peter SATAN in the same passage?
REPLY: You read it and summarily distort it. PETER was only Simon up to that point. Are you telling us Jesus made a mistake? Why is he thereafter PETER, ROCK --? -- And, why does Jesus hand him the keys to the kingdom of heaven (HIS CHURCH) since you think he was seriously called Satan ? Aren't YOU the one with constant contradictions ? I shouldn't wonder. Your grasp of the Bible's words is infantile. NO Holy Spirit to guide you, trachea.
Peter cannot be declared both Satan and Pope in the same passage. REPLY: --On account of what ? Your personal inclination to reject the apostles and their Gospel to the world in favor of an anathema Paul warns of in Gal 1 :6 through :9 --? You left Christ's holy Church ! You are disloyal to Peter if you reject his successor the Pope. Peter is Christ's authorized representative on earth. That is what the KEYS mean in that passage from Matt 16 :18, 19.
Explain then, why Peter tells
May 15, 2007 - 18:11 ET by tracheostomyExplain then, why Peter tells us not to depend on private interpretations of the scriptures. (2 Pet3 :16 (He calls you unstable.) If your doctrine's now apostolic you wouldn't have rejected the Church of Christs' apostles.
First of all, you're actually alluding to only a partial stating of 1 Peter 1:20 and then ham-fistedly imposing your interpretation onto the 2 Peter passage (a separate book entirely, but ironically enough a warning pertaining to the very thing you just did).
1 Peter 1:20 ". . .knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.This is of course, is not saying that prophesy of Scripture can only be received by a select few and then meted out to the laity.
Without the Catholic Church and Peter's authority, you can't declare what belongs and doesn't belong in the Bible. You're only touting your own "Bible scholarship."I agree that the church is one, holy, apostolic, and catholic (that is to say, universal). The authority I have is the same given by the apostles including Peter, who blessed private interpretation in the very same passage you cited!
2 Peter 3:15 &16! Don't wanna say you're cornered. . .but there you are. Peter himself urged the laity, whom Paul continually referred to as "saints" I might add.
OK; what else did the devil teach you, besides you're infallible, even without any authority from the apostles ?See above. Careful Tumb, they also too hastily accused Christ being of Satan as well.
A non sequitur. Is this self-confidence ? WE ARE WITH PETER. You can't confront this truth, can you ?I was confronting your eternal security. You flinched and dodged.
Another bloated non sequitur. Why waste the bandwidth, Trach--? Come up with something to justify your rejection of the holy apostles' authority over YOU and all Christians. You CAN'T, can you ?I agree that keys equal authority, but for what purpose is the authority given? Your reason for those keys being given is based on the "this rock" statement; not just the keys. The keys are the outcome of the original declaration.
By the way, you failed to answer the most important part of my question.
According to your reasoning, Jesus addressed the same individual as both "this rock" and "Satan"
THAT SIR, is a true non-sequitur!
-PJ
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sorry, traches
May 15, 2007 - 18:32 ET by tumbler_2007You lost the debate. I'm not saying it triumphally, just grading your weak responses. To answer your last, almost laughable challenge:
"By the way, you failed to answer the most important part of my question. . . . According to your reasoning, Jesus addressed the same individual as both "this rock" and "Satan"
THAT SIR, is a true non-sequitur!" REPLY:
My reasoning ? No, Dear; it's SCRIPTURE -- !
The "same individual whom Jesus calls Peter ?" Are you now interested in discrediting Peter ? Too bad; Peter went on to give his life martyred for Jesus. Crucified with his feet pointed upward to heaven, because he objected to his executioners that he was unworthy to die on the cross similarly to His Lord. As for the objection you have here above: it's irrelevant to our discussion. Jesus could say anything He pleased. In the end, Peter was chosen to lead the apostles and Christ's Church. The Catholic Church.
Same individual. Peter = Simo
May 15, 2007 - 18:39 ET by tracheostomySame individual. Peter = Simon and was no less fallable following his name change.
Answer the question.
-PJ
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You also alluded to one scrip
May 15, 2007 - 18:40 ET by tracheostomyYou also alluded to one scripture and gave the address of another entirely.
How is that not twisting?
-PJ
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don't ask for a truce
May 15, 2007 - 18:42 ET by tumbler_2007----
YOU LOST THE DEBATE.
Tumbler, please explain how I
May 15, 2007 - 20:45 ET by tracheostomyTumbler, please explain how I lost the debate.
1. I illustrated the contradiction of your personal interpretation of scripture on 5/15, 1911 hrs. You have been obfuscating and evading ever since.
2. I demonstrated how your verses cited didn't exactly match with either your premise behind citing them, or the actual words of Peter you quoted. Check the passages yourself.
3. I'm not declaring myself a "winner" or "loser" Tumb. I am asking you to either clean up your dodgy; unanswered mess, or bring in a real Catholic apologist to do your thinking for you. SO HOP TO IT!
Or. . .you can always repent to the divine revelation of the Holy Spirit. . .just a suggestion. =)
-PJ
"Trake:Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler, 5/15/07
I wouldn't call limited ato
May 15, 2007 - 16:45 ET by Ken ShepherdI wouldn't call limited atonement "heresy" although as I said I don't necessarily agree with 5-point Calvinism. I think that both Calvinist and Arminian views of predestination and election are within the pale of orthodoxy and that many an Arminian and many a Calvinist will forever enjoy fellowship with another, with Christ, in the life to come.
Bottom line: they can and should be vigorously debated in light of Scripture and on the basis of Scripture, but Christians should not refrain from cooperation between denominations and theological camps on that basis per se.
My current church, a Nazarene church, and a local Presbyterian church co-sponsor Upward Basketball as a ministry tool to reach local kids and parents with the Gospel. That sort of thing should not fall by the wayside because the other six days a week they exchange flame wars over paedobaptism and eternal security.
Anyway, I'm well off the beaten path with this comment thread.
It's not OT. Liberal have n
May 15, 2007 - 17:05 ET by tracheostomyIt's not OT. Liberals have no idea what a Christian is or how complex the beliefs can be. They just want to paint every believer with the same broad brush.
It's time to define it more accurately for the liberal and the world.
It's not a light that truly shines if it's obscured by cloudy, vague, politicized moralism.
But that's just me.
-PJ
Wanna understand the entire liberal thought process in less than an hour? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1 (h/t to W0TM @ NB)
Your bigoted remark about li
May 15, 2007 - 18:13 ET by MobiusStripYour bigoted remark about liberals and their knowledge of Christian principles informs your self righteousness, Trach. You are taking a political stance and ascribing religious faith to only those-not-liberal. You complain about broad-brushing: what, exactly, was that? Very Christian of YOU to paint your fellow humanity in this way. Rise above your politics and get back to the message of Christ. THat remark was perhaps the most un-Christian thing I've read in a long time.
Um, just remember that sayin
May 15, 2007 - 18:36 ET by tracheostomyUm, just remember that saying I make bigoted remarks about liberals legitimizes them as an actual partisan group. . .right? You'd be better off with the crowd who denies their existence altogether as an invention of Evangelical Fundies.
Also, if you read my whole part of the thread, you would see my goal is to de-politicize Christianity as a mere "moral majority" here. For IMO it is far more than a moral front. It is the bride of Christ our sovereign Lord.
When I complain about "broad brushing" I mean to say I don't want to be lumped into someone that would chase a "People vs Larry Flynt" type of rainbow. To me, Falwell in our day was no diffrent (and no more knowledgable) from WJ Bryan in his.
All I'm saying.
-PJ
Wanna understand the entire liberal thought process in less than an hour? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1 (h/t to W0TM @ NB)
An anagram came to mind----
May 15, 2007 - 18:41 ET by misterbillAn anagram came to mind---- MOBIUSSTRIP == BURP IS MOIST
Very juvenile: like it just &
May 15, 2007 - 18:53 ET by MobiusStripVery juvenile: like it just "came to mind". Look your own up on anagrams.com, like you did mine. Can't deal with a discussion, eh? Run away, run away!
in point of fact, moby
May 15, 2007 - 18:55 ET by tumbler_2007He said an anagram had come to mind. But he's MINDLESS at best; stupified at worst. We just laugh him off around here. Yuck yuck.
One day back here and you've
May 15, 2007 - 19:01 ET by BlondeOne day back here and you've already devolved into ugliness.
You're the only one who's laughed at here.
<crickets>
Easy there B, after all T i
May 15, 2007 - 19:07 ET byEasy there B, after all T is a "goodwill ambassador"
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
a dangerous duo
May 15, 2007 - 19:57 ET by misterbilla dangerous duo can you tell that Tumbler is , for some reason, extremely jealous of me?? It is because I am a true American and he is like a RINO. He is really a plant. He was raised here with the intent , one day he owuld help in the integration of illegal immigrants when they dtart their move to create the satate of Aztlan. Mobius ? Well I will not waste my breath explaining to him that if my humor is as poor as he says, how could I be using a site to look up anagrams?
Now you all know , except for Tumbler and occasionally witchwang, I am usually polite. That being said, mobyus dickus my findings re: you is that you are a complete a$$h)!e. Why anyone wastes time debating you is hard to undersatnd. Identical twin to the a$$ ki$$ing Tumbler who fancies he is God and only he knows what was in God's mind when he created us. He shames me as a Catholic. He turns every thread into a string of quotes from his Bible. The Lord God I was raised to know would deem him gulty of the sin of Pride. And we all know that cometh before a fall.
Sit thee down thy vile sinner--kneel before your Lord and beg His forgiveness.
PS
May 15, 2007 - 19:57 ET by misterbillI know you are, but what am I?
as i mentioned to Blonde, eas
May 15, 2007 - 20:03 ET byas i mentioned to Blonde, easy Misterbill, whatfore shouldst thou be upset for their being foolish?
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
"Tis true--the man does possess===
May 15, 2007 - 23:17 ET by misterbill"Tis true--the man does possess===the ability to anger me. He is like the god Janus, first one face then the other.
sat too long in the sun ?
May 15, 2007 - 22:04 ET by tumbler_2007T
May 15, 2007 - 22:15 ET by misterbillMisereatur vestri omnipotens Deus et dimissis peccatis vestris, perducat vos ad vitam eternam.
misterbill,Ignore the troll.N
May 15, 2007 - 23:24 ET by Blondemisterbill,
Ignore the troll.
Not worth raising one's bloodpressure over.
Seriously.
Ignore the troll.
Just getting the last of his venom---
May 15, 2007 - 23:35 ET by misterbillJust getting the last of his venom---out of my system. Before he went on vacation I was getting very good at ignoring him.
Old misterboil
Does not toil
To make the fool
My simple foil
Hmmmm?
May 15, 2007 - 20:35 ET by misterbill--
Mobius and Tumbler became a new team
Thought each post was a real scream
The words that they wrote
Didn't amount to a mote
The results were just a bad dream!
misterbill,Why are you not te
May 15, 2007 - 18:54 ET by Blondemisterbill,
Why are you not teaching school?
You have such a wonderfully "out of the box" approach to everything....my one attempt at a limerick taxed me to no end, but you come up with this great stuff at the drop of a feather.
You are amazing with your quick wit and bon mots here....keep them coming. And thanks for the giggles.
this is a groupie
May 15, 2007 - 19:00 ET by tumbler_2007Mobes,'' Have a good laugh on Blonde too. She's Misterboil's most ardent fawner. (Is that a word ?) Sycophant ? Maybe "grape-dropper"--? Well, he needs support; it mot as well be her !
Have another drink, Tumbler.Y
May 15, 2007 - 19:02 ET by BlondeHave another drink, Tumbler.
You're sucking up to the biggest troll on the board.
<crickets>
Biggest Troll? Is there an aw
May 15, 2007 - 19:09 ET by MobiusStripBiggest Troll? Is there an award? I can guarantee you'll always get your girth worth, Blondie, but not sure how else I might qualify.
Yep, Mobi.You win the "b
May 15, 2007 - 19:14 ET by BlondeYep, Mobi.
You win the "biggest troll" award.
You and Tumbler are a match made in heaven.
My girth is just fine, BTW, Mobi.
mobes old pal---
May 15, 2007 - 20:00 ET by misterbillmobes old pal---if you are what you appear to be, your greatest threat is hemorrhoids.
Tumb- she really has a proble
May 15, 2007 - 19:11 ET by MobiusStripTumb- she really has a problem with adding an "i" to her name. Not sure why, but it really sets her off. Maybe there's a Dagwood connection... maybe it's MisterBoil!
Mobi,I've told you before, on
May 15, 2007 - 19:18 ET by BlondeMobi,
I've told you before, only my good friends are encouraged to call me "Blondie"...and you are surely no friend (nor even a passing acquaintance) of mine.
Having said that...I'll leave you to your new-found friend, the other really major troll on the board. Hope you two have a lovely time together, you big fat trolls.
xxxxxx oooooo
<crickets, again>
Blonde - you may have uncovered something here--
May 15, 2007 - 20:01 ET by misterbillBlonde - you may have uncovered something here--Tumbler the goatherd often refers to Brokeback Mountain. Do you suppose he shared a tent with "mobes".
Hmmmm????????
May 15, 2007 - 20:06 ET by BlondeHmmmm????????
mobius is a lib
May 15, 2007 - 22:33 ET by tumbler_2007I'm a conservative & Moby is a liberal. Never the twain shall meet. But I can still identify with Mober. I know what it is to combat the bottom-feeders of NewsBusters. These two together make one large wart on our NewsBuster butt. Truly gross ! Mobius Strip is really trolling but nevertheless stands miles higher than Boil Boy and his Blonde Patsy.
ME ? I'm a Republican, Bush et Reagan styled conservative. NO TROLL, SORRY !
SORRY !Ah, the first (I hop
May 15, 2007 - 23:06 ET by Free StinkerSORRY !
Ah, the first (I hope) of many, many, many, many appologies you owe people all over Newsbusters.
Get busy.
t
May 15, 2007 - 23:24 ET by misterbill"But I can still identify with Mober."
Of course you can!
"large wart on our NewsBuster butt".
OMG I am hurling-------
Bush et Reagan styled conservative
Reagan was one of my heroes--do not insult him by comparing yourself to him.
Well, Blonde
May 15, 2007 - 23:01 ET by RJWell, Blonde, I see one of the Bobsie Twins describing warts on their butts. Geez, I don't even want to think about what kind of intimacy it takes to have that kind of knowledge.....
and yet
May 15, 2007 - 20:42 ET by misterbillTwo half witted bloggers did join
Thinking as a team they could coin
Some intelligent words
But just being nerds
They are naught but a pain in the groin
--
The one being called MobiusStrip
The other was Tumbler -a drip
Between them a brain
They had not a grain
And so their bloggings I skip!
Mr B... how's about...Bum i
May 15, 2007 - 19:09 ET by Jack BauerMr B... how's about...
Jack Bauer.... isn't that the
May 15, 2007 - 19:46 ET by MobiusStripJack Bauer.... isn't that the fantasy invincible superhero imaginary save-the-world anti-terrorist guy on TV? I watched that once. Never got fixated on it, though.
Sorry I couldn't find any good anagrams for you. Given the sparcity of your reality, it's difficult. Maybe you could help?
Oh, wait, I missed this one.. "A Jack Rube". Jack, I think translating as an Almost, and Rube as an Ignorant. So, are you more of which, Jack Bauer imaginery fighter of evil throughout the world?
I like it better than mine---
May 15, 2007 - 20:03 ET by misterbillI like it better than mine---it fits.
you know what they say--"If the foo shits, wear it!"
LOL --thanks
misterB... He's such a chee
May 16, 2007 - 03:54 ET by Jack BauermisterB... He's such a cheeky little chappie.
Didn't quite follow that line
May 15, 2007 - 19:04 ET by MobiusStripDidn't quite follow that line of reasoning. But follow me here: because I am a liberal, that does not automatically deduct from my faith or understanding of Christian principles, or my ability to live as a Christian. THAT was your blanket statement, and I resent it. Apparently, you mix faith and politics so easily it escaped your attention that you easily insulted and challenged the faith of another Christian- in fact, a group of Christians encompassing millions.
That, I believe, would constitute bigotry. Offense taken.
Good.It's about time you took
May 15, 2007 - 19:08 ET by BlondeGood.
It's about time you took offense, after all you've dished out here, Mobi, with your continual trolling.
I only troll here because the
May 15, 2007 - 19:18 ET by MobiusStripI only troll here because the fish are so easy to catch, and I don't have to bring much bait. Keeps you thrashing though- I'm the only game in town! Except for Tumb, who has a fine boat on this shallow pond...
Fine response, Mobi.Enough to
May 15, 2007 - 19:23 ET by BlondeFine response, Mobi.
Enough to get you booted for good. Oops.
Heh, heh. I get your allusion
May 15, 2007 - 19:39 ET by MobiusStripHeh, heh. I get your allusion. I've learned that my somewhat-rotund physique elicits many comments, but was charmed that you picked it up here. Really, can I also be a Big Fish in Cyberspace?
No illusion, troll.Oops, agai
May 15, 2007 - 19:49 ET by BlondeNo illusion, troll.
Oops, again.
Too bad you cant discern the differnce between an allusion, and an illusion.
Big Fish - vous etes--
May 15, 2007 - 20:10 ET by misterbillBig Fish - vous etes--un maquereau!!! Je rire!
Nice one, misterbill.Do you k
May 15, 2007 - 20:18 ET by BlondeNice one, misterbill.
Do you know the entemology of the word "macquereaux"?
It's pretty funny.
Mon Papa --
May 15, 2007 - 20:23 ET by misterbillMon Papa --il etait Francais-Canadien. Il parle le francais.
He told me it was a cuckold. Another expression was--"his wife had tied the horns on him."
Am I in the ballpark???
PS another word
May 15, 2007 - 20:24 ET by misterbillPS another word polite taste - a procurer!!!!!
Mobi and Tumbler
May 15, 2007 - 19:23 ET by RJMobi loves Tumbler.....Tumbler loves Mobi
Perfect for each other
Tie a yellow ribbon round t
May 15, 2007 - 19:25 ET by Jack BauerTie a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree!
OK in for a penny, in for------
May 15, 2007 - 20:12 ET by misterbillOK in for a penny, in for------a pound
"Tie a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree!"
Then watch Tumbler bend over for me!
I will not apologize--I wish he had never relogged in to NB. He is hateful.
what a poltroon
May 15, 2007 - 22:44 ET by tumbler_2007The Catholic-basher misterboil now expects Tumbler to "bend over for him"--?
In your vermin-ridden dreams, Cornuto. I have never stooped to making dirty allusions to you and your daughters. But this is the appropriate occasion.
They may bend over for their Papa; I don't approve of your family's tastes. Perverted cretin.
my deepest apologies
May 15, 2007 - 22:51 ET by misterbillI meant bend over for your new boyfriend Mobius. Sorry I did not make that clear. What you inferred is so vilely disgusting to me I have to vomit.
repeat
May 15, 2007 - 20:06 ET by misterbill<
It
It is true that you do not po
May 15, 2007 - 21:35 ET by Roger the ShrubberIt is true that you do not possess much bait, Mobie.
I also do not recall ever leaving a conversation with you the victor, but can recall more than one instance where *POOF*, you disappeared when the going got tough, so, please spare us your chest-thumping. Isn't it sunken enough?
If you are a Christian--
May 15, 2007 - 20:04 ET by misterbillIf you are a Christian--then Tumbler is the Pope.
It's not OT. Liberals have n
May 15, 2007 - 19:22 ET by balboaIt's not OT. Liberals have no idea what a Christian is or how complex the beliefs can be. They just want to paint every believer with the same broad brush
And yet you did the same thing just now, paiting all liberals with a broad brush.
Is anyone really surprised?
May 15, 2007 - 15:37 ET by AJSHOPEIs anyone really surprised? In fact I received an e-mail from the
Columbus Dispatch with the news that Jerry Falwell died and the very first thing I did was come here to see if there was a story about it (regarding the hate spewing leftists).
I just checked too quickly.
"Actually, the first pol
May 15, 2007 - 15:40 ET by bigtimer"Actually, the first politicization of his death was by the guy filling in for Rush who couldn't wait to bash the "loony liberal left" for something they haven't even done." Good point.
Rodger Hedgecock (sp) was subbing today...and all he did was point out a fact. The looney leftists have proven him right.....
Haven't they Anna Marie?
I was never a fan of his pers
May 15, 2007 - 15:45 ET by kathleenirishI was never a fan of his personally, but I appreciate the fact that he organized a group to respond to the crass culture and family-breaking the left has continually pulled our civilization towards. I think they helped get Ronald Reagan elected, as well, and that's a stellar accomplishment in my book.
The Left as we know it in this world is filled with mean, cruel, heartless hypocrites, as clearly demonstrated through their chosen mouthpieces cited above. They really are without souls, never mind real backbones. Scum.
" 'Fred's Slacks' is a winner!!"
Boy, its a good thing the lef
May 15, 2007 - 15:56 ET by Mr. KafirBoy, its a good thing the left saves their worst wishes for the most evil like Saddam Hussein, Arafat, and Zarqawi....yeah.
"Blessed are you when pe
May 15, 2007 - 16:12 ET by rimsky"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven..
Matthew 5:11
Hell is full of hate-filled L
May 15, 2007 - 16:21 ET by mattmHell is full of hate-filled Liberals, whereas Heaven is full of faithful servants of God like the Rev. Falwell.
The lib/lefties always projec
May 15, 2007 - 16:48 ET by ahusserThe lib/lefties always project the hateful things they say and do onto their adversaries. They are the bigots, fascists, racists and hate-filled beings. I am not much of a religious person. A personal choice. But I have listened to Jerry Falwell speak on television on occasion. He never was hate-filled or bigoted or spewed vileness on anyone or group that I ever saw. May he rest in peace.
"A mind is a terrible thing." - A comic I forgot the name of.
It's all they have apparently
May 15, 2007 - 16:53 ET by c5thenI feel sorry for them. They appear to only be driven by hate for whomever disagrees with their world views. This is their way of showing how tolerant and understanding they are.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic
Jerry Falwell lived as he b
May 15, 2007 - 17:07 ET by Right2thePointJerry Falwell lived as he believed he should.
He was old school that would have been in the mainstream 60 years ago.
His actions showed he despised the sin, not hated the sinner by his view.
http://tinyurl.com/2...
Two years ago on a "Meet the Press" segment, Reverend Sharpton and
Reverend Jerry Falwell appeared together. Mr. Falwell noted that his
church runs a home for unwed mothers, a facility for alcoholics and
drug addicts, and an AIDS hospice. When he asked Mr. Sharpton if he's
involved in comparable worthy projects, Al changed the subject. Of
course, he's been darn busy with so many other pressing matters over
the years.
Note that he created facilities for all behaviors that he believed should not happen, but helped those he supposedly "hated".
If a gay person would have been forced to make the choice between an AIDS hospice run by Rev. Falwell or Fred Phelps, I would suggest that the results would be no contest.
Notably, I want to point out
May 15, 2007 - 17:11 ET by Sick-n-TiredNotably, I want to point out that, besides all of the other hateful mudslingers, Huffpost is very quiet on Falwells death---(crickets chirping) so quite that no posts are available (or allowed?) on that particular blog. Other subjects/new articles of the day have posted comments...
I guess they didn't want to get outed by NB, for all their hateful sentiments, as they did when T. Snow was diagnosed, yet again, with cancer....
http://newsbusters.org/node/11669
SnT...I was wondering about H
May 15, 2007 - 17:14 ET by bigtimerSnT...
I was wondering about HuffnPuff.
Well, now we know.
Thanks for the info.
Got to get out of here for awhile...get stuff done before the big debate....lol!
I took a look over at the K
May 15, 2007 - 17:16 ET by Right2thePointI took a look over at the Kos kids a couple of hours after the news broke and there were two diary posts on their front page with user recommended threads and the comments attached were revealing.
I believe Huffpo shut down comments to avoid the bad PR.
Right2thePoint - Huffpo can't
May 15, 2007 - 19:28 ET by ding7777Right2thePoint - Huffpo can't have those Shameless, soulless, despicable, filthy evil creatures posting, can she?
Apparently she can.
May 15, 2007 - 19:35 ET by mastersofdeceitApparently she can.
RIP Reverend Falwell
May 15, 2007 - 17:49 ET by misterbillJerry Falwell was a man. He put on his pants one leg at a time each day. He attended to his bodily functions just as you and I. He became prominent on the American scene because of America's tilt toward licentiousness and sin. In more family-oriented times , he would never have achieved the fame of current times. There are many who vilify him now in death, and vilified him while alive. I did not know him personally. I cannot tell you how sincere he really was. His influence was tremendous. It was too much for a religious figure to be exerting over matters secular, but he never advocated sin, he never advocated lust or greed or theft or any sin. He preached against the seven deadly sins. He preached and acted against the filth and tripe that comes out of Hollywood and Television Land. I was not a fan of Jerry Falwell. I felt his power had corrupted him somewhat, as power corrupts all who have it.Nonetheless , he lived for good and not for evil. Although he was a formidable enemy of the Left, they should mourn his passing--he looked into their eyes and spoke into their faces.
No person, in the end, can do more. He was as determined in his own humorless way to put people in America back on the path to righteousness as "Dutch" Reagan was to make us a strong, honest, decent country.
John Donne said that "all men are diminished by the death of others". Keep that in mind and before those of you who did not like him run off and speak your words of derision, remember, John Donne also said "never send to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee."
RIP Reverend Falwell I will pray for you.
RIP -- Helen Thomas
May 15, 2007 - 18:50 ET by Jack BauerExactly. I for one did not cheer lustily when they finally reported the death of that old Stalinist goat Helen Thomas, ten years ago.
You'd think they'd stop wheeling her out at the White House briefing room -- Weekend at Dubya's style.
Oh, that's right Jack, she ha
May 15, 2007 - 18:59 ET by BlondeOh, that's right Jack, she hasn't died yet (well, at least not in this century).
Hmmmm....
Weekend at Dubya's.
Jack, seriously, are you going for an Urban Renewal of Monty?
If so, I'm voting for you!
To me what is very telling is
May 15, 2007 - 19:33 ET by jcrapes4To me what is very telling is Larry Flint saying kind things about Falwell. When I was younger I thought badly of Jerry Falwell. I could have very easily been one of those DU demodrones. When he fought his battles without compromise I thought he was weak. I did not learn until later in life he was not weak. Jerry I am sorry for all those things I have said about you to all my friends at the time. You will be missed. God Bless
jcrapes,I was just kind of ki
May 15, 2007 - 19:40 ET by Blondejcrapes,
I was just kind of kidding Jack about the "premature death" of the hag, Helen Thomas. Sorry if you didn't get my sarcasm.
I have nothing to say either way about Jerry Falwell....except "God's Speed".
Sharpton statement on Falwell
May 15, 2007 - 19:41 ET by NoMoreClintonsSharpton statement on Falwell's death:
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Rev. Al Sharpton released the following statement on the death of Rev. Jerry Falwell:
"I am deeply saddened by the passing of Reverend Jerry Falwell. Though he and I debated much and disagreed often, we shared a very cordial and warm friendship. I visited him in Lynchburg, dined with him, and even talked with him during personal crises. Though we were as politically opposite as two people could be, I truly respected his commitment to his beliefs and our mutual belief in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. As I stated to my nationally syndicated radio show, I pray for the Falwell family and join the nation in mourning the passing of this religious leader."
Well, the guy has a smidgen of class somewhere today.
The left . . . as it should be.
A Note To My Daughter
May 15, 2007 - 20:08 ET by w0tmHere is an e-mail I just sent my daughter who graduated from Harvard Divinity School last year. She and our new son-in-law were the only two conservatives in their class of 300. She is trying to help turn mankind away from the devil but the reaction to the death of Reverend Jerry Falwell shows how strong his hold is right now on six and a half billion souls.
Dear Christine,
By now, you've learned of the death of Rev. Falwell. The reactions of some should shock us but, in today's world, sadly, it does not.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2846415
Beyond disgusting. Postings about the death of Rev. Falwell on DailyKOS and MoveOn.org are equally disgusting. Pure Evil is always just below the surface in every society. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Hussein and hundreds of other ruthless, evil demagogues throughout history did not come to power without significant support. Until the mid-90's, this evil in the world mostly hid themselves showing a false, non-threatening "edgy" image. Even attractive enough for many to join their mindless minions that, carried to a conclusion, only leads to destruction. As has occurred so many times before in countless civilizations.
The Internet, for the first time in history, gives all people and groups the opportunity to show their true selves and have a voice. No matter how disgusting it is. If only the 99% who are not like this would wake up and recognize these screen names are of real people who will follow a future Hitler with enthusiasm. And half of those 99% now praise this one percent who, in the shadows hiding behind screen names, show the deepest evil that has always existed in mankind.
I'd heard of these postings for the last few hours and finally decided to read a few. Supposedly the vilest are being removed as soon as they are posted. How can they be any more repugnant than these? Civility in society has long ago expired. If we can just have some sanity every so often, that is all we can hope for until either Pure Evil reigns over the world or we regain mutual respect and self-respect by all. These people cannot be saved. They are self-loathing and extend their personal self-hate to the world they were born into. We can only hope they fade back into the shadows where they've existed for thousands of years. But, right now, they are winning their fight to spread their venomous thoughts. As we see praised every day by others who should know better.
Love,
Dad
***************************************
View http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c to FINALLY understand why liberals think the way they do. This was the most informative 47 minutes I've ever spent. Please -- take the time to view it.
:applause:There's your answer
May 15, 2007 - 21:07 ET by tracheostomy:applause:
There's your answer Bal, as to why I paint libs with a broad brush.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
OK, I am no Falwell support
May 15, 2007 - 20:50 ET by JasonCOK, I am no Falwell supporter.
However, I will openly condemn the behavior of a certain bad-apple variety of liberal bloggers. This kind of attitude, espoused toward a very recently deceased man, reeks of desperate, unfettered hatred. Much like the blind hatred toward GW Bush, I would venture a guess that a lot of these people hate Falwell as much because they've essentially been told to hate him, not because they've bothered to study and follow his actual actions. No surprise, both sides of the aisle do it.
I'd like to implore you, however, not to equate the depressing glut of anti-Falwell rants with liberalism as an ideology. It's just not the case. It would be like me equating a right-wing Fascist White Supremacy website with all of you conservatives. The internet, unfortunately, democratizes discourse in a way that even the most puerile opinion has a platform. The people rejoicing over Falwell's death have nothing to do with my (admittedly liberal) worldview.
-JC
"If their sins were as scarlet, they are now white as snow" Isaiah 1:18
All we'll ever need to know about Liberals:
May 15, 2007 - 22:54 ET by Free StinkerAll we'll ever need to know about Liberals:
They cheer the death of Jerry Falwell, but they mourned the death of Al Zarqawi.
Shamefull Debate
May 16, 2007 - 08:24 ET by cvgbuckeyeSome of the "denominational debate" that I read here is shamefull. When we saved Christians arrive in heaven, we will likely be told by Jesus Christ that one of his biggest disappointments was our petty arguments over things that He considered "not very important".
Further, as stated in the book, "Christians Only" and repeated in "Halley's Bible Handbook", we are sure that God is very disappointed in what we have done to His Church by all this division created by all this fruitless "Denominationalism".
God gave us the Holy Bible as His sole divine word. When we open it, he begins to speak to us and when we close it he stops (except by the continuous and unending conviction of The Holy Spirit). All of the passionate debaters should shut down for a moment and open God's Word for it settles ALL DEBATE and I believe it from cover to cover with NO EXCEPTION. This type of debate saddens Our Lord and gives Satan cause for rejoicing so please think about it before you fire it up again.
To chastise Jerry Fallwell (and I look forward to Bibical challenges to any positions that Fallwell has taken) for introducing Christianity into politics is saying to the Author of ALL things created that you are limiting where he can go. You are more brave than I. If we are so omnipotent to tell God to stay out of politics, schools, courthouses, etc. then where does the limitation stop?
I hope that the proponents of a "limited God" are preparing an explanation of such advocation for "The End Day". You will need a good one.
All of the passionate debater
May 16, 2007 - 10:47 ET by tracheostomyAll of the passionate debaters should shut down for a moment and open God's Word for it settles ALL DEBATE and I believe it from cover to cover with NO EXCEPTION.
The problem is that the denominationalists you're alluding to are patently refusing to do what you just suggested here.
This type of debate saddens Our Lord and gives Satan cause for rejoicing so please think about it before you fire it up again.
Wait, maybe you should open your Bible. . .2 Tim 4:2 (b).
To chastise Jerry Fallwell (and I look forward to Bibical challenges to any positions that Fallwell has taken)
:sigh: This was in my first post on the thread. . .
http://www.founders.org/blog/2007/04/jerry-falwells-friday-13th-declaration.html
He's the one calling major Bible preaching ministers of Grace heretics. . .not me. Oh wait, he's dead now. Can I say it was God's judgement because of what he said to an audience of thousands? Why not?!? He did it to gays!
for introducing Christianity into politics is saying to the Author of ALL things created that you are limiting where he can go.
Specifically, my problem is with the moralism, which is actually not Christianity but rather an imposed "works" ethic through the government. Rather than obey the Great Commission, Falwell imposed moralism. Like I said before. . .wood, hay, stubble. http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/80-257.htm
I hope that the proponents of a "limited God" are preparing an explanation of such advocation for "The End Day". You will need a good one.
Are you a travel agent here to send me on a guilt trip? Hey, how's this for an explanation?
http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/elect_love.html
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07