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Latest Gallup finds Bush ah
May 15, 2007 - 10:35 ET by JDWLatest Gallup finds Bush ahead of Congress
JDW
News media: Scoreboard for terrorists
Good to see that Cheney and R
May 15, 2007 - 13:46 ET by sunandsteelGood to see that Cheney and Rove can still manipulate a Gallup poll.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.com)
...yeah we're seeing this all
May 15, 2007 - 13:52 ET by TruthMonger...yeah we're seeing this all over the news...not...
How Enron Worked the Presiden
May 15, 2007 - 10:36 ET by MassConservativeHow Enron Worked the President ... (This is an interesting bit of information that you don't hear much about.)
A. Enron's chairman did meet with the president and the vice president in the Oval Office.
B.. Enron gave $420,000 to the president's party over three years.
C.. It donated $100,000 to the president's inauguration festivities.
D.. The Enron chairman stayed at the White House 11 times..
E.. The corporation had access to the administration at its highest level and even enlisted the Commerce and State Departments to grease deals for it.
F.. The taxpayer-supported Export-Import Bank subsidized! Enron for more than $600 million in just one transaction. Scandalous!! (look below ...... )
G.. BUT...the president under whom all this happened WASN'T George W. Bush.
SURPRISE . It was Bill Clinton!
ARE WE READY FOR MRS. CLINTON ?? NO WAY!!!!!
It's almost as if they were
May 15, 2007 - 10:51 ET by sarcasmoIt's almost as if they were able to work BOTH "major" political parties, but we all know there's nothing wrong with the "2 party system" and everything's just peachy-keen corruption-wise in both parties, so that's probably just me...
JMR
Tim Russert said it's fine to
May 15, 2007 - 14:27 ET by dahliatraversTim Russert said it's fine to judge Hillary by Bill's administration.
So, thank you for revealing Hillary's ties to the fraud-riddled Enron, MassCon.
And yet, despite all the bene
May 15, 2007 - 15:00 ET by BruzillaAnd yet, despite all the benefits, tax breaks, funding, etc., Exxon got from the Clinton White House, and from the Bush White House, they couldn't get so much as a budge on clearences for a new refinery or two. Just amazing!!!
UPCOMING DEBATEThompson vs. M
May 15, 2007 - 10:50 ET by tracheostomyUPCOMING DEBATE
Thompson vs. Moore (see Drudge)
Two words: CAN'T WAIT!
The thing that puzzles me is, why would Michael Moore be the one to make the challenge--unless he's got something sneaky up his sleeve, such as maybe attempting to control the venue or the moderator perhaps?
We'll see. . .
-PJ
Wanna understand the entire liberal thought process in less than an hour? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1 (h/t to W0TM @ NB)
I hope Thompson refuses. Wh
May 15, 2007 - 11:00 ET by GothampcI hope Thompson refuses. Why waste the time and energy on Michael Moore?
Agreed, he might just as we
May 15, 2007 - 11:08 ET by MightyMouthAgreed, he might just as well debate Rosie. Although entertaining, it really doesn't serve any political purpose and it legitimizes Moore. Right now Moore, Rosie and other wackos are marginalized.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Would Obama debate Malkin, or
May 15, 2007 - 11:12 ET by Roger the ShrubberWould Obama debate Malkin, or Lady Pantsuit Ann Coulter? None of these candidates have anything to gain from debating a bomb-thrower. It's a no-win proposition.
Agreed. Can't see the upsi
May 15, 2007 - 13:06 ET by Jack BauerAgreed. Can't see the upside for Thompson.
But I do hope Moore wears his crockumentary uniform of:
1.Straggly pathetic, scruffy beard. 2. Baseball cap. 3. Jeans the size of the Hindenburg.
Jack Bauer, Old Pal !
May 15, 2007 - 14:49 ET by tumbler_2007Hello, Jocko ! Nice seeing your contributions; as always pithy and humorous.
Hey; on the way over the pond I got to see the latest James Bond. Casino Royale. Have yez seen him yet ? Coo-ill. --About as fiendishly rough & tumble as movies get. I'd hate to tangle with that Bad Boy. He is a white man's Mister T. "PAIN, that's our word for today !" Heh, heh.
Tumb -- yep saw 007 back in
May 15, 2007 - 18:43 ET by Jack BauerTumb -- yep saw 007 back in November. Very impressed with the new guy.
A Hindenburg-like explosion o
May 15, 2007 - 15:34 ET by kathleenirishA Hindenburg-like explosion out of those jeans would be nice. We know there's enough flammable gas and hot air to create a chain reaction not seen since the last H-bomb test, though, that's for sure!!! Big traitor gobshite.
" 'Fred's Slacks' is a winner!!"
Oh, the humanity!Sorry kathle
May 15, 2007 - 15:37 ET by Dave ROh, the humanity!
Sorry kathleen. Just couldn't resist. :-)
This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.-Neal Boortz.
I sure hope he does not do it
May 15, 2007 - 11:14 ET by GregEI sure hope he does not do it, and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't. Either way, Moore gets what he wants....attention. If he debates, the attention is much greater than if he doesn't, but if he doesn't, Moore can proudly state that Fred Thompson refused, or was afraid, or whatever other reason Mikhail Moore would like to dream up to best fit his need for self-promotion and grandstanding. And, some people (actually many) will buy it hook, line, and sinker.
Ah, I get it now. I still h
May 15, 2007 - 12:11 ET by tracheostomyAh, I get it now. I still have much to learn on the PR hype/political front.
So. . .the goal all along was achieved through the challenge itself; not the actual debate. It's like those parasite eels in the sea that latch onto a larger fish. It sucks your blood either way and if you attempt to shake it off, you just get exhausted.
Wow.
-PJ
Wanna understand the entire liberal thought process in less than an hour? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1 (h/t to W0TM @ NB)
The best response would be fo
May 15, 2007 - 12:55 ET by Hero SquadThe best response would be for Fred Thompson to naturally ignore his request, and then for someone like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter to issue a debate challenge to Michael Moore.
Moore knows Thompson won't touch him with a 10 foot pole and he wants to use this as a way to show Thompson as being "afraid to debate." But if Moore gets a similar challenge from a heavyweight pundit, he'll either be forced to accept it to avoid appearing like a hypocrite, or when he most likely ignores the challenge, deflate his credibility. (Not that he had much cred to begin with!)
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"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello
Thompson should offer this challenge---
May 15, 2007 - 12:57 ET by misterbillThompson should offer this challenge---"Michael, after you bathe and shave, ask me again. Then I will decide".
thompson
May 15, 2007 - 13:53 ET by tejanodiablohave you noticed the obama and thompson phenomenons ? .. imho, the country is sick of 'regular' politicians and bothe sides are looking for something new, someone who hasn't been sucking the party/lobby breast since they were old enough to hold office .. and have been holding ever since .. we NEED FRED THOMPSON .. and with any luck, a hagel/bloombberg independent ticket will split the hillary/obama ticket ..
never look a gift skunk in the tail ..
Thompson's running mate? Yes,
May 15, 2007 - 14:58 ET by InsufficientContextThompson's running mate? Yes, it's beyond early, but has anyone thought much about this? The guy is 6'6", anyone of average height is going to look like some kind of dwarfish lackey next to him!
To his credit, he's one of the few who would already have the south all wrapped up, unlike McCain, Giuliani, and Romney who would more than likely limit themselves to choosing a southerner as a running mate.
If Thompson were to get the nomination, my pick for his running mate would be Senator John Thune(R-SD). I think he's like 6'4", so it wouldn't look ackward. He also took his seat from Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle in 2004. He'd help balance the ticket in some regards(Evangelical Christian, Pro farmer). The only things detrimental to him are that he endorsed McCain already(but so had Thompson at one point), and I think he may like the pork....
Thompson responds. Bwhaha
May 15, 2007 - 14:20 ET by GothampcThompson responds. Bwhahahahahahahahah.
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=611
As our military buddies say -
May 15, 2007 - 14:33 ET by dahliatraversAs our military buddies say - SHACK!
Plain spoken Thompson
May 15, 2007 - 15:12 ET by RJPlain-spoken Thompson's stocks just went up in a lot of people's estimations. He told Moore exactly what a lot of Americans think.
Another thing that was very w
May 15, 2007 - 16:15 ET by dahliatraversAnother thing that was very well done, RJ, was Thompson almost casually working in a reference to someone seriously abused by Castro just for speaking. Hint, hint, Michael Moore; Cuba is not a socialist paradise!
I'm a Romney, guy, dahlia.
May 15, 2007 - 16:24 ET by RJI'm a Romney guy, dahlia, but I'm ready to hear more from Thompson.
Fred Thompson wins before the
May 15, 2007 - 15:01 ET by Hero SquadFred Thompson wins before the fight even begins.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Moore may have inadvertently set up Thompson to look extremely presidential with a mere 38-second response to an absurd challenge.
Beautiful!
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"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello
yes, a pivotal event
May 15, 2007 - 16:22 ET by tumbler_2007Thompson deserves to have it publicized; let's see what his gag writers can concoct for Jay Leno tonight. --It out to be witty ! (Forget Letterman, he's totally queear for the Leftists. I wager he won't touch it with a shovel.)
Fred Thompson will win the no
May 15, 2007 - 16:23 ET by Clear thinkerFred Thompson will win the nomination (if he runs), and this get's me excited about our chances in 08'. But it occured to me today that it would be even sweeter to see Thompson go head to head in the general election against Al Gore.
How often does it happen where both candidates come from the same state, and how often do you get a chance to trounce a Democrat? This would be a great campaign!
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Due to overcrowding Paris m
May 15, 2007 - 11:02 ET by JDWDue to overcrowding Paris may be sleeping under the stars...
JDW
News media: Scoreboard for terrorists
Dear al Qaeda,May we, the Dem
May 15, 2007 - 11:09 ET by GregEDear al Qaeda,
May we, the Democrats of the United States of America, and others of our thinking, have your undivided attention please?
Please (and we do mean please, kind sirs) stand by for our announcement to you of a calendar date on which we will ensure the removal of all United States armed forces from Iraq. We will be pleased to inform you of this date when it is decided, in order that you are able to adequately plan your activities and provide for a seamless transition of the nation of Iraq into what we realize are your awaiting, loving, and most caring and compassionate arms. We understand that you want nothing less than the very best for Iraq and we apologize that we have not been able to yet solidify this date for you, though our efforts are strong and we are focused in this area. There are obstacles on which we are working diligently to overcome.
We understand that a date will be most helpful for you and are doing everything within our power to accomodate. When the decision is made and the date available, our friends and yours in the American media will make the announcement in a timely fashion.
Thank you for your patience and cooperation (as best you see fit) in this matter.
Sincerely,
The Democrat Party of the United States ... (and others for whom we speak and who care as much as we do)
Dear Al Queda,We are pleased
May 15, 2007 - 12:55 ET by MobiusStripDear Al Queda,
We are pleased with your recent announcement that our determined stay in Iraq will provide you with a continual supply of targets for your imported forces. In our country, we have a saying: "Bring it on!" and you certainly must have a similar outlook. Although the bulk of the Iraqi population would like both you and us to leave, it's important for us to "stay the course", as the elected government there is not quite sufficiently democratic to decide things for themselves- like, really! Maybe you too should consider getting into the Create-an-Election business!
By the way, how are things going with your inventory of munitions we left all over for you? Are you getting short yet? Our plans had you in mind, you know. We hope that the borders we've left open will allow enough oil and arms smuggling as your fresh troops move into Iraq for further training and target practice. And how is the money holding out? Was the 43 tons of C-notes enough?
But please do us a favor: knock it off in the Green Zone. Everybody needs a place for a little R&R and we're sending over some more Republican candidates for a tour. It's just a little frustrating, what with all the reporters there. Okay?
Wish us well in '08,
The Republicans
Dear Al-Queda.This is to info
May 15, 2007 - 13:52 ET by PKDear Al-Queda.
This is to inform you that you are all invited to a barbaque and hog fest at the Al frog flogger hotel at the south end of the green zone.
Festivities will start at 1600 local time on september 30-2007.
Bring your friends and religious associates.
Be there or be square.
C.
Remember its a sin to bring unfired ammunition home from the range.
barbque
May 15, 2007 - 14:17 ET by tejanodiablodear infidel demlibs :
we will barbque your infidel guts on the walls of your godless green zone .. we will deal with you as the great mahdi did the orangutans .. we will rape your dogs and donkeys .. we shall defeat you as the great Saddam did in kuwait .. onward jihadist warriors, marching as to martyrdom, wearing bomb vests to send our souls to allah .. ride, camel, ride .. yeehaw ..
never look a gift skunk in the tail ..
WASHINGTON — An accused
May 15, 2007 - 15:04 ET by BDWASHINGTON — An accused enemy combatant held at Guantanamo Bay told a military hearing he was physically as well as mentally tortured there by having to read a newsletter full of 'crap,' being forced to use unscented deodorant and shampoo and having to play sports with a ball that would not bounce.
Mobius:1.) Who has higher cas
May 15, 2007 - 15:07 ET by BDMobius:
1.) Who has higher casualties in Iraq, US forces or the Islamic Militants who have a VERY short life cycle in operations?
2.) The remarks regarding the Iraqi's desiring us to LEAVE. Did you know that the Brits had a very similar sentiment to that in WWII when the yanks were "Overpaid, Overfed, Oversexed, and Over here?"
Please adress...
Well, "30 Rock" bar
May 15, 2007 - 11:09 ET by Roger the ShrubberWell, "30 Rock" barely got renewed, but, with Alec Baldwin's latest meltdown and Tracy Morgan's alchoholism, who knows, right? As for "Studio 60 on the Sunsent Strip", well, bye-bye!
And lets all give a warm welc
May 15, 2007 - 12:57 ET by Hero SquadAnd lets all give a warm welcome the Geico cavemen to primetime television this fall! How can that possibly fail? I mean, it's so obviously a great idea that even a...
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"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello
I saw this interesting little
May 15, 2007 - 11:19 ET by bigtimerI saw this interesting little article about Fred Thompson...and I do love how Zach Wamp says when...not if.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/12/eveningnews/main2794975.shtml?source=RSSattr=Politics_2794975
Here's the part I love: &qu
May 15, 2007 - 15:11 ET by BruzillaHere's the part I love: "Senator McCain’s support of the president on Iraq is proving to be an albatross." Then in the next paragraph "Thompson, who left the senate in 2002, stands behind the president on the war." So in the eyes of CBS, being for the war is working against McCain but for Thompson??? Why can't CBS be honest and say that McCain's issue is he's a RINO and Republicans know it?
Bruz...The point you make abo
May 15, 2007 - 15:14 ET by bigtimerBruz...
The point you make about the leftist press not saying McCain is a RINO and we know it out here in the real world, wouldn't fit their agenda about the war now would it?
It is totally aggravating for me too though...I do not know how many times I have screamed at the television when they all do this.
Agenda...agenda...agenda.
LIBERAL GRAFFITI
May 15, 2007 - 11:23 ET by JimboWhile riding the train to work each morning, as several hundred thousand of other commuters do, I always pass the back of a rather lengthy warehouse with a bare wall facing the train tracks. This morning, I noticed that someone had sprayed graffiti on this wall, with an elongated message along the length of the wall. The message was written in very large, bold black paint and neatly written. The message said:
“MR. BUSH – THE SURGE WON’T WORK. WE STILL WON’T WIN!”
Obviously, I was furious at seeing this. Allow me to vent by making some of the points which had me livid, in no particular order:
1) This is an illegal act. The owner of this building will now need to take steps, at his expense, to paint over this message in such a way as to maintain the visual appeal of his building. If the owner is conservative, I pray he never finds out who did this. If he is a liberal, I hope he reconsiders they type of people he is aligning himself with.
2) I have never seen graffiti like this pointing out the treacherous acts of people like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, John Murtha, etc. I guess this proves after all that conservatives have higher moral values than liberals.
3) The criminal chose to address the President as “Mr.” I have written about this time and time again on this site. The liberals try to undermine the President by taking away the title of the Office. What they don’t understand is that they are denigrating the Office, not the person. When President Clinton was in the White House, I took issue with just about everything he did. While I called him a lot of things, I never, to this day, refer to him as “Mr. Clinton”.
4) Saving the best for last, the criminal chose to underscore the word “win”. I found this most telling. He could have chosen to underscore the word “Bush”, or the word “surge”. He/she chose to underscore the word “win” as in “won’t win”. This tells me, unequivocally, that the liberals are terrified of winning this war because they incorrectly believe it will prevent them from regaining political power which they so desperately desire.
News flash to liberals – spray paint other people’s property with your seditious messages all you want, but you won’t win the White House in 2008. You will lose because your party is the party of surrender, and the party of burying your heads in the sand, and the party of putting your own political futures ahead of the safety of the people of the United States. Your actions are despicable, and come election time, you will be called on it.
I promise.
_____________________
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
I agree with you on all point
May 15, 2007 - 13:24 ET by MobiusStripI agree with you on all points, as writing graffiti is a criminal act, even though the message is political. But let me ask you this. If I were to erect a billboard on my property which read: "VP Cheney: Go F*&K Yourself!" -which is a direct, documented quote which he made on the public floor of the Senate to a Senator- would that be graffiti? Or allowable political speech? Now, I won't do this because I'm on a school bus route, but do you think I could or should be forced to remove it if there was a complaint? After all, it's extremely rude, but then I'm quoting Cheney. I think it is therefore inherently protected speech. Would I show no class by quoting him? And how does that reflect on the VP?
Mob,Why don't you go grill so
May 15, 2007 - 13:28 ET by bigtimerMob,
Why don't you go grill something.
Be important somewhere.
Mobius -
May 15, 2007 - 13:46 ET by JimboWith a post like that, you are a troll in the truest sense of the word.
First, your comparison between vandalism and the erection of a billboard is invalid at all levels.
Now as to the message contained on your hypothetical billboard – the ability to post the phase “go fu** yourself” in public is not permissible just because someone is quoted as having said it. Try doing exactly that and find out how wrong your assumption is.
I wish liberals would have at least a fundamental understanding of what free speech actually represents before they start spouting off about it.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
free speech
May 15, 2007 - 13:52 ET by thelonegunmaninteresting insight. please explain what "free speech" actually represents.
The Lone Gunman
May 15, 2007 - 13:58 ET by JimboI’d be happy to, my liberal friend.
Freedom of speech does NOT mean you can say whatever you want, to whomever you want.
Let’s take your example specifically. You want to construct a billboard on your property for all passing people to see, “VP Chaney: Go Fu** yourself” Let’s put aside the fact that the way it is written does not grammatically represent a quote, but instead seems like you are telling the VP to go fu** himself. But again, let’s put that aside.
There is a Supreme Court Ruling that helps define the constitutional right of free speech. It’s called the “Miller Test”.
Specifically, something is not covered under freedom of speech if it represents something obscene under the following guidelines:
1. The work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct….
2. Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious political value
3. Whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interst,
Your billboard is not protected under the laws of free speech. So put down your spray can, take the Bush Lied bumper sticker off your car, and join the rest of us in reality.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
liberal?
May 15, 2007 - 14:07 ET by thelonegunmanliberal? interesting use of that word as if its an epithet.
so, i just returned from working convoy security with the national guard to come back and be called a liberal from you?
so, tell me: how have you been spending the last three years of your life?
The Lone Gunman
May 15, 2007 - 14:11 ET by JimboFirst, I think you are full of it. If I am wrong, I don't really care. You are a liberal who has his posts deleted for using obscenities who was taken to the woodshed on the definition of free speech.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
full of it?
May 15, 2007 - 14:21 ET by thelonegunmanfull of "what" exactly Jimbo? you never answered MY question: where have you been spending the last three years of YOUR life?
as you said: you don't care what people are doing over there while you "take people to the woodshed." (as if you're man enough to take a dog to the woodshed)
you don't know diddly about free speech. the only thing you know about it (because you haven't done anything in your life to defend it) is how you like to use it to criticize those who've been spending the last few years defending it.
oh - and if being a vet who fought so wankers like you can sit safe behind a computer and call people like me a liberal - then yes, that's what i am.
...wankers...you must be a br
May 15, 2007 - 14:24 ET by TruthMonger...wankers...you must be a brit...army is it?
Hey Lone
May 15, 2007 - 14:44 ET by JimboI never said I didn’t care what people are doing “over there”. Don’t twist my words you sniveling child. What I said is, I don’t care if I was right or wrong about your lying about having been “over there”. By the way…. You using the term “over there” tells me you couldn’t find Iraq on a map.
As for what I have been doing for the past three years? None of your damn business, you foul mouthed liberal troll. I don’t feel the need to boast about my accomplishments (real in my case, imaginary in yours) to feed my ego.
Conversation over.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Jimbo, Have you encountered
May 16, 2007 - 15:46 ET by MightyMouthJimbo, Have you encountered this guy before? Because from the context of just this thread it looks like you guys WAY overreacted to his posts.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Why do liberals so hate that word?
May 15, 2007 - 14:12 ET by RJEpithet? Why do liberals so hate and fear that word?
Let me get this straight- You
May 15, 2007 - 14:27 ET by InsufficientContextLet me get this straight- You bring up serving in the national gaurd presumably because you wanted some "patriot" street cred, but your profile openly states that you're an Anarchist? Did Timothy McVeigh start some kind of mentorship program with the campfire girls before he was executed? I gladly thank those that served in the military, but serving in the military doesn't make you invulnerable. A punk is a punk.
He's a lying child. Not wor
May 15, 2007 - 14:45 ET by JimboHe's a lying child. Not worth the effort.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
An anarchist National Guardsman? Hilarious!
May 15, 2007 - 14:50 ET by RJAn anarchist "National Guardsman?" Hilarious!
Clearly an oxymoron.The liber
May 16, 2007 - 15:37 ET by Clear thinkerClearly an oxymoron.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Hi IC...You beat me to it.I s
May 15, 2007 - 14:48 ET by bigtimerHi IC...
You beat me to it.
I saw that profile too...thought the same thing as you posted.
Just wanted to say thanks...you said it all for me.
Did Timothy McVeigh --
May 15, 2007 - 23:03 ET by misterbill" Did Timothy McVeigh start some kind of mentorship program with the campfire girls before he was executed?"
Great line----LOL
Specifically, something is no
May 15, 2007 - 14:15 ET by MobiusStripSpecifically, something is not covered under freedom of speech if it represents something obscene under the following guidelines:
1. The work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct….
2. Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious political value
3. Whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
So I can either conclude that Cheney uses obscene language or you have a different standard for his words than mine. Unless what he said had the intent of "serious political value". For me to quote him puts me in a different case, although by pointing out that the VP denigrates the Senate and a political opponent with the same words is purely a political statement. I guess Cheney is just a foul-mouthed jerk with no respect for a US political institution. Would you agree with that?
Chaney’s comments were inad
May 15, 2007 - 14:21 ET by JimboChaney’s comments were inadvertently overheard and blown out of proportion by the media. That is not the equivalent of emblazing it on a billboard for everyone, including children to see.
Stop comparing the two. You are making yourself look foolish.... really.
With regard to your last question in your post, I disagree emphatically. Substitute “Chaney” with “Hillary”, and I’ll agree just as emphatically.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
your definition lacks
May 15, 2007 - 14:15 ET by thelonegunmani'm familiar with "the miller test"
tell me Jimbo: what is that "fine line" and where / how does one cross it? does one cross it when they say anything that Jimbo doesn't like? when they say something against a politico that you like? or is it an ever moving target?
Hey Lone
May 15, 2007 - 14:23 ET by JimboHey Lone – do you have anything of value to add here?
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
You can take out the "OR
May 15, 2007 - 14:16 ET by Agnostic frontYou can take out the "OR" in the above quoted text. The Miller test for determining what is considered obscene language is as follows:
(1) Whether "the average person, applying contemporary community standards" would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest;
Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law; AND
Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.
The billboard, as stated above, is not, under the above standard, considered obscenity. It may, however, be regulated as commercial speech because local ordinances can restrict billboard use due to the fact that commercial speech is less protected than political speech.
Read it again
May 15, 2007 - 14:26 ET by JimboFirst, my post doesn’t say OR. Read it again.
Secondly, it sure as hell does fit the definition.
Third, if you don’t see a problem with a billboard that says “Go fu** yourself”, well then… go fu** yourself.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
free speech
May 15, 2007 - 15:23 ET by LionKingFree speech means you are free to speak your mind.
Free speech does not guarantee that there will be no consequences for what you spoke, i.e. profanity, terroristic threat, slander, ...
What I am discussing is polit
May 15, 2007 - 14:07 ET by MobiusStripWhat I am discussing is political speech- which is very protected- and the use of obscene language therein. Now, since the post which I responded made a point that Liberals are somehow provenly less moral than conservatives- you flatter yourself, really- is my quoting a world political leader and his use of obscene language anything less than political speech? And what has certainly caused the usual avoid-the-question reaction here is that I referred to Cheney, used his quote, and posed the question about his relative morality. Or, is Cheney a verbal graffiti artist on the world stage? I believe he abused and defiled the US Senate with very ungentlemanly scatology. Where is your censorship on that- or do you only have lengthy opinions about a guy with a can of spray paint??
Make your Point Mob
May 15, 2007 - 14:14 ET by JimboCut to the chase. What is your point? I discredited you with the Miller Test, which I am certain you were not aware existed, but yet you go around and around on the same issue, never making a point.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Cheney shows contempt for the
May 15, 2007 - 14:25 ET by MobiusStripCheney shows contempt for the Senate using the F word. An explicit statement of sexual function in a political setting. I take him seriously and find it offensive to my community standards. I quote him in public. I get arrested. Now, why didn't he get arrested? His audience was far lager than mine- in fact, millions of people were offended. And you, as Cheney apologist, tell me that would be right.
The police can, indeed, arres
May 15, 2007 - 14:28 ET by Agnostic frontThe police can, indeed, arrest you for saying "F**K" in public. They can't convict you of anything, however.
BS
May 15, 2007 - 14:32 ET by JimboIn a word, that’s BS. An arrest cannot be made unless a law is broken. And the breaking of any law can be prosecuted.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Yeah, okay. The police can, a
May 15, 2007 - 14:39 ET by Agnostic frontYeah, okay. The police can, and often do, arrest people for conduct that the police themselves don't approve of, which later is determined to be lawful conduct. The police are not the final arbiter's of what is or isn't lawful. If one screams, "F**KING PIG" to a police officer over and over, and prevents them from doing their job, one may be convicted of disorderly conduct. However, just saying "F***K Yourself" to no one in particular breaks no laws, although the individual officer may not be aware that no law was broken, or may not care.
Whatever. I have no doubt y
May 15, 2007 - 14:49 ET by JimboWhatever. I have no doubt you are an expert in yelling “FU**** PIG”.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Incorrect Jimbo many people h
May 15, 2007 - 22:55 ET by James2306Incorrect Jimbo many people have been arrested for the crime of resisting arrest without any other charge being attached If you can be arrested and prosecuted for resisting arrest without being charged with breaking any other law then you have been arrested for violating no law.
The hottest places in hell are oft reserved for those who in times of moral crisis remain neutral
Your post contradicts itself.
May 16, 2007 - 04:50 ET by JimboYour post contradicts itself.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Mobius - get real
May 15, 2007 - 14:30 ET by JimboMobius – do you really believe the crap you write or do you do it just for the reaction???
Chaney didn’t show contempt for the Senate when he said what he said. It was a private conversation that the leaches in the MSM couldn’t resist playing over and over. Such a thing emblazoned on a billboard for kids to see is as despicable. Making a comparison is insane. I refuse to debate this any further with you.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
As I stated above, The Miller
May 15, 2007 - 14:27 ET by Agnostic frontAs I stated above, The Miller test clearly shows that the above hypothetical billboard is not obscene language because it does not appeal to the "prurient" interest.
Bye Bye Agnostic
May 15, 2007 - 14:37 ET by JimboYou refuse to accept an understanding of the definition of free speech and remain ignorant, so as far as I am concerned this debate is over
I will leave you with this thought - Your willingness to allow obscene language on a billboard for all to see including children disgusts me and speaks volumes about you.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
I didn't state that I would o
May 15, 2007 - 14:41 ET by Agnostic frontI didn't state that I would or would not allow the above billboard to be displayed. I just stated that, according to constitutional law, the above billboard is absolutely not obscenity. It appeals to no prurient interest. Moreover, the word itself holds no special power and cannot really do any damage to children.
Af...Just curious...do you
May 15, 2007 - 14:44 ET by bigtimerAf...
Just curious...do you have small children in this society now?
Grandchildren?
You think this is acceptable?
You keep bringing your own pe
May 15, 2007 - 14:58 ET by Agnostic frontYou keep bringing your own personal bias into a purely legal argument. Whether I have or you have chldren is irrelavant as to the determination of what is or is not CONSTITUTIONALLY protected free speech. The word "F**K," in and of itself, is under no legal definition that I can find considered obscene. Also, the above "F**KING PIG" quote was taken directly from case law, and my father in law is a retired state police officer. Most cops are just trying to do their job and are generally commendable citizens. Some are just on power trips.
No Af...you brought the quest
May 15, 2007 - 15:06 ET by bigtimerNo Af...you brought the question I asked you into it...not the other way around when you posted that this does no damage to children in your above post.
Do not try and spin your way out of a simple question.
That is what the leftist live on....spin and avoidance of direct questions...or outright lies.
Simple question I asked, which you have avoided.
Typical.
I was responding to your post
May 15, 2007 - 15:14 ET by Agnostic frontI was responding to your post that originally brought up children. You cannot get it through your head that the word in question is not inherently, legally obscene, so you turn the argument into a "what I would do if could" argument. It's a worthless endeavor. The pure and simple fact is the billboard, as stated above, is constiutionally protected.
Listen you little leftist...I
May 15, 2007 - 15:17 ET by bigtimerListen you little leftist...I am done with you.
If you simply cannot follow your own posts...forget about it.
Troll on elsewhere.
You're a darn good arguer. Tr
May 15, 2007 - 15:27 ET by Agnostic frontYou're a darn good arguer. Try that in court and see where it gets you. "Waaaah. I don't like the law and constitution and I am right and the founders and supreme court are wrong! Waaaahh."
"F**K is obscene cause I don't want my children to see it cause it will damage their poor little brains, and I believe this regardless of what the law and constitution ans supreme court have to say about it."
Yeah, that would work real well.