Watching the global warming alarmists it's amazing to see how much they completely discount the sun's role in determining the earth's temperature. It's something that can be readily observed simply by stepping outside during the day and at night. Yet, we almost never hear the sun mentioned by Al Gore and friends.
This is despite the fact that astronomy continues to prove that the sun has an influence on its planets temperatures and is likely to be responsible for observable warming of the earth. First came the news that Mars is getting warmer, now comes the news that Neptune is also experiencing global warming:
Neptune is the planet farthest from the Sun (Pluto is now considered only a dwarf planet), Neptune is the planet farthest from the Earth, and to our knowledge, there has been absolutely no industrialization out at Neptune in recent centuries. There has been no recent build-up of greenhouse gases there, no deforestation, no rapid urbanization, no increase in contrails from jet airplanes, and no increase in ozone in the low atmosphere; recent changes at Neptune could never be blamed on any human influence. Incredibly, an article has appeared in a recent issue of Geophysical Research Letters showing a stunning relationship between the solar output, Neptune’s brightness, and heaven forbid, the temperature of the Earth. [...]
In the recent article, Hammel and Lockwood, from the Space Science Institute in Colorado and the Lowell Observatory, note that measurements of visible light from Neptune have been taken at the Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Arizona since 1950. Obviously, light from Neptune can be related to seasons on the planet, small variations in Neptune’s orbit, the apparent tilt of the axis as viewed from the Earth, the varying distance from Neptune to Earth, and of course, changes in the atmosphere near the Lowell Observatory. Astronomers are clever, they are fully aware of these complications, and they adjust the measurements accordingly. [...]
Neptune has been getting brighter since around 1980; furthermore, infrared measurements of the planet since 1980 show that the planet has been warming steadily from 1980 to 2004. As they say on Neptune, global warming has become an inconvenient truth. But with no one to blame, Hammel and Lockwood explored how variations in the output of the Sun might control variations in the brightness of Neptune. [...]
Hammel and Lockwood conclude that “In summary, if Neptune’s atmosphere is indeed responding to some variation in solar activity in a manner similar to that of the Earth albeit with a temporal lag” then “Neptune may provide an independent (and extraterrestrial) locale for studies of solar effects on planetary atmospheres.”
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No problem.
May 15, 2007 - 11:02 ET by c5thenThis can easily be explained away using the new liberal math and science theories that aren't taught in the public schools because they might upset one of the student's who finds it too bizzarre...
To wit: Since the Earth is already much much warmer than Neptune, the small variations in the Sun'r output would have insignificant effects. Neptune, being so cold, would show much greater reaction to these variations.
See...sound just fine to all the mass of the US population that is not smarter than a 5th grader.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic.
Another Inconvenient Truth.
May 15, 2007 - 11:12 ET by jiminjerseyAnother Inconvenient Truth...
The truth shines through
May 16, 2007 - 08:58 ET by kbworkmanNo matter how you look at it, our leader, the soon to be doctor Al Gore got is right.
Obvioulsy, we are so bad for the environment, we are melting the polar ice caps on Mars and now we are destroying Neptune.
When you people understand. It's all our fault.
We must all return to living in caves. Except for out of course for out leader,the soon to be doctor Al Gore. He can then use our unused carbon credits to continue spreading the truth.
Repent you dis-believers.
Big Oil Strikes Again
May 15, 2007 - 11:16 ET by CrossWiseRangerObviously there is oil on Neptune and big oil paid for this bogus report.
-- The problem is not that we are ignorant; rather, it is that so much of what we know is not true. --
Has it surfaced yet about Ha
May 15, 2007 - 11:19 ET by Roger the ShrubberHas it surfaced yet about Halliburton getting no-bid contracts to work on Neptune?
Ask Joe
May 15, 2007 - 11:24 ET by Mr. BishopAsk joe conservative -- his brand of lunacy, I am sure, has already shown this suggestion of yours to be accurate. He is, after all, the foremost expert on Bush, Haliburton and Cheney. He knows things without evidence to be supplied... he knows.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
WOW! SUV's are now affectin
May 15, 2007 - 11:17 ET by MightyMouthWOW! SUV's are now affecting the ENTIRE solar system! Something must be done now! Several trillion dollars ought to do the job... Get crackin! </gag>
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Yes! I would be willing to pa
May 15, 2007 - 12:11 ET by SouthJersey1953Yes! I would be willing to pay more in taxes if it would help reduce our effects on Neptune and Mars. I can't believe 'big oil' is knowingly allowing the total destruction of the solar system. How greedy can they get?
No RINOs in '08 - Vote for a true conservative!
I would have thought the warm
May 15, 2007 - 11:28 ET by Uncle JohnI would have thought the warming would come to Uranus first...
I can't understand why several of the planets in our solar system would have global warming when only one of them is inhabited (that we know of). It's almost like the sun has something to do with it.
I know that there's a joke in
May 15, 2007 - 13:13 ET by IgnatzJFahrquarI know that there's a joke in there somewhere. Something along the lines of: "What does Al Gore and Uranus have in common?"
"They're both bloated with gas giants."
or
"They're one in the same."
"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain
"What do Al Gore and Ura
May 15, 2007 - 13:19 ET by Hoosier Daddy"What do Al Gore and Uranus have in common?"
Ooh! Ooh I know! They're both full of ?????
Politicians are like diapers...
Evolutionists have heard of Darwin; Creationists understand Darwin.
OMG!!! We have to stop this.
May 15, 2007 - 11:38 ET by c5thenI know!!! We need to enlist NASA and send rocket after rocket full of water into the SUN to help cool it off. The shuttle could be enlisted too. Each launch it would carry a few thousand gallons and jetteson it into the Sun. Shouldn't take too long until the Sun cools down to "normal", EH?
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic.
c5then --full of water
May 15, 2007 - 13:39 ET by misterbillc5then --full of water--I have tried that. The rockets keep disappearing. I cannot afford to continue this method. My latest idea--I am going to keep the moon stationary over my location for days at a time. That will keep my part of the earth cool. I have not worked out yet how to do that for the whole earth.
My brother is working on the idea to bring the moon a lot closer to the earth throwing a larger shadow. This will cool more of the earth. We do not know how much progress he has made. Visiting hours are quite limited.
I am going to keep the moon
May 16, 2007 - 11:27 ET by Tom1969caActually, because of the way the moon's shadow is cast, you'd need a moon that is slightly larger than the earth. I called, but my local Wal-Mart is out of those; maybe your local store has one in stock...
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"Al Gore never shuts up; it's just occasionally we have to hood him like a falcon so we can get some sleep..."Denis Miller (on Al Gore)
Interesing....the Earth, Ma
May 15, 2007 - 11:55 ET by StogieGuyInteresing....the Earth, Mars and now Neptune have all been warming for years. And, at similar rates. Yet, the liberals will never accept it because it doesn't go with their new orthodoxy. Just watch them come up with 100 silly reasons why Neptune's warming just cannot be related to the Earths. Just as they did for Mars' warming. It could NEVER be the most obvious thing - the sun - no, no, it must be something else.
After all, someone has carbon credits to sell....
Global Warming
May 15, 2007 - 11:57 ET by pocomocoAlgore: PLEASE DON'T BOTHER ME WITH FACTS!
You're all blind.It's obvious
May 15, 2007 - 12:22 ET by MentalrushYou're all blind.
It's obvious that we've caught George Bush using his weather machine to alter the environment on Neptune to create massive, global warming-driven storms to kill all blacks and muslims in the solar system. It's cleary the work of that moronic genius. </sarc>
You are forgetting the new Bu
May 15, 2007 - 12:42 ET by Roger the ShrubberYou are forgetting the new Bush plot, where he envisions a USA/Neptune economic union. Expect to see tractor-trailers driven by Neptunians on our interstates in the near future.
At least, that's what FatesWebb, er, Whichwing, er, Libertyordeath told me.
We must be warming the hole g
May 15, 2007 - 12:53 ET by general companyWe must be warming the hole galaxy!!! How long before they claim that we are? Hopefully big Al is looking into legislation that will approve putting out the Sun
BAN SUV'S ON NEPTUNE
May 15, 2007 - 12:54 ET by rimskyBAN SUV'S ON NEPTUNE
"Neptune is the planet
May 15, 2007 - 15:00 ET by ckc1227"Neptune is the planet farthest from the Sun (Pluto is now considered only a dwarf planet)"
Interesting. At one time, wasn't there a consensus that Pluto was the planet farthest from the sun? Now it's a dwarf planet. How can that be? This could be a disaster of epic proportions. We've never reclassified a planet in our solar system this early in a new century before.
Someone please call Laurie David!! She's our only hope
"...to our knowledge, th
May 15, 2007 - 17:30 ET by Ruths husband Ben"...to our knowledge, there has been absolutely no industrialization out at Neptune in recent centuries."
So, you admit that you don't know. Bush and the other capitalists could be secretly exporting American jobs to Neptune, ruining our pay scale and their environment. You call that science?
Yaba daba doo! -Fred Flintstone campaign slogan
You know, it's so like Newsbu
May 15, 2007 - 20:38 ET by dahliatraversYou know, it's so like Newsbusters to leap to conclusions this way ...
dahlia,In the immortal words
May 15, 2007 - 20:47 ET by Blondedahlia,
In the immortal words of David Lee Roth....
"Jump".
:D
But NASA (Hansen) keeps telli
May 15, 2007 - 18:29 ET by danboBut NASA (Hansen) keeps telling us it's over. There is no question. Just ask throatpecker. NASA is beyond despute. They're perfect. Just ask the crew of the Columbia. The crew of Apollo one. The crew of the Challenger.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
On the Voyager probes
May 16, 2007 - 06:55 ET by UnsaneOr (as I mused at work one day) ask those at the JPL when the first images of Saturn's rings arrived from the Voyager probes. Before 1980, the debate was over on how they worked and how the functioned...
...or was it????
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Please explain.
May 16, 2007 - 07:32 ET by dahliatraversPlease explain.
Before 1980, and especially a
May 16, 2007 - 15:55 ET by UnsaneBefore 1980, and especially after the Pioneer 11 visit in 1979, scientists understood that the rings of Saturn were more or less a series of "solid", broad based rings. There was no other evidence to indicate otherwise. That all changed when the Voyager probes took pictures of them that revealed Saturn's rings to be thousands and thousands of individual streams of material, organized into various bands.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Thank you. On a side note,
May 16, 2007 - 21:48 ET by dahliatraversThank you. On a side note, it is fascinating what the rings turned out to be.
Are you suggesting that diagnosing a climate trend here on Earth (with computer models that do not even correctly "predict" current conditions) might be as precarious as describing a planetary feature from 750m miles away?
Trends in solar irradience
May 16, 2007 - 17:32 ET by John CookThe whole argument that a brightening sun is causing global warming is made redundant when you consider solar irradience has been steady over the past few decades. The PMOD has been taking direct satellite measurements since 1978 and found no increase over that period while temperature increase has been rising fastest (http://www.pmodwrc.c...).
Similarly, the Max Planck Institute have reconstructed solar irradience over the past century (http://www.mps.mpg.d...) and found irradience has been steady since 1940.
The warmer arguments have bee
May 16, 2007 - 20:43 ET by danboThe warmer arguments have been falling apart all over the place. From prior periods of warmth including 40's-70's. With growing CO2.
And it's beginning to look like we have a steady to droping temperture trend. (Unless you use the NASA rewrite for 2005, which few others use.) But hey. The sky is falling. We have tyo deny the existence of a lot of contrary data to pretend the CO2 molecule is satan. Witch doctor gore has spoken.
BTW the sun is only one factor. In case you missed it.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
Re "the sun is only one factor"
May 17, 2007 - 04:31 ET by John CookSome of the reasons for Neptune's warming include seasons on the planet, small variations in orbit, tilt of the axis as viewed from the Earth, varying distance from Neptune to Earth, changes in atmosphere near the Lowell Observatory and variations in the output of the Sun. Considering it's well documented that the output of the sun hasn't increased over the past few decades and all those other facts have nothing to do with Earth's climate, I don't see what this article has to do with global warming.
The Sun has nothing to do w
May 17, 2007 - 05:09 ET by Jack BauerThe Sun has nothing to do with the Earth's climate, claims you. Are you really as detatched from reality as you sound?
And here's a helpful suggstion, you wanna reduce your "carbon dioxide" buttprint? Stop breathing brother.
Sun and climate
May 17, 2007 - 08:39 ET by John CookI never said the sun had nothing to do with our climate. I was pointing out that the sun's radiance hasn't increased over the past 30 years, while global temperatures have increased. The whole point of the Neptune article is that increased solar radiation must have forced Neptune's warming therefore it must also be forcing Earth's warming. The fact that radiance hasn't increased breaks that whole argument down.
Sir. Hello. The point of
May 17, 2007 - 10:50 ET by dahliatraversSir. Hello. The point of posting on a blog is to engage in dialog. Kindly either acknowledge or constructively criticize the findings of these Duke University researchers, who have discovered evidence of increased solar output, contradicting your assertion.
http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/2005/09/sunwarm.html
I would also be interested in your thoughts on the other questions I posed to you on this page.
If you prefer unmodified monologues, that's fine but in that case, please either buy some ad space on Newsbusters or set up your own website.
Funny, I coulda sworn there
May 17, 2007 - 10:53 ET by sarcasmoFunny, I coulda sworn there were cycles of sunspots/solar-storms over that period...
JMR
Actually, a couple of physic
May 17, 2007 - 07:56 ET by dahliatraversActually, a couple of physicists at Duke University do not agree that the output of the sun has not increased over the last two decades.
http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/2005/09/sunwarm.html
As you have been formulating a response to the IPCC/CO2 measurements issue below, Mr. Cook, other questions have occurred to me.
The basis for the theory of anthropogenic global warming is computer models. Are you altogether comfortable with models (and the theory that emanates from them) that cannot even accurately "predict" existing conditions?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/warming/debate/singer.html
How are prior periods of global warming, such as the Medieval Warming, explained?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/climate/2002-02-03-tree-rings.htm
If, in fact, global warming is manmade and the only way to stop it is for man to considerably slow his contribution of CO2, how will we ever achieve this if other countries, including especially China, do not curb their CO2 output?
Belated reply
May 17, 2007 - 19:26 ET by John CookDahliatravers, apologies for the delay in replying (I have only so much time per day to spend blogging). Thanks for your great reply - I appreciate you addressing the science, providing links to source material and taking no cheap shots :-)
The Duke Uni article is an interesting one. Do you agree with the part that says "they emphasized that their findings do not argue against the basic theory that significant global warming is occurring because of carbon dioxide and other "greenhouse" gases"?
Reading through the article reminds me of the hockey stick drama. In that case, an initial study by Mann gave us the hockey stick graph, McIntyre countered Mann's statistical methods with his own methods and they've continued haggling about various methologies to this day. However, the debate is moot as since then, multiple studies using independent methods have produced the same results.
Similarly, the PMOD satellite measurements are confirmed by reconstructions by the Max Planck Institute and direct measurements of sunspot numbers, solar flare activity and radio flux. When you find scientists squabbling over statistical methods, a good referee is independent studies in the same field.
To answer your question re computer models, climate is complex and models are always being refined (as is proper). This uncertainty is reflected in the IPCC report with language like "likely" and "very likely" expressing probabilities. Climate models are certainly not suited to predicting specific weather conditions as weather is chaotic and unpredictable - climate is concerned with long term trends which filter out chaotic noise.
The pertinent point is that, while stressing that the physics of CO2 being a greenhouse gas is undisputed, climate models fail to predict recent warming without taking rising CO2 levels into account. It's also useful (as well as relevant to the discussion on solar radiation) to view a plot of temperature over the 20th century along with the various forcing that influence global temperature. The climate model (the grey shaded area), when factoring in CO2, measured radiation levels, falling sulfate levels, etc successfully predicts temperature rises in the early decades, the mid-century cooling (a trend skeptics love to bring up) and the current warming.
How do I explain medieval warming? Climate changes naturally. It was cooler in the 19th century, it was warmer in the 1100's. No climate scientist will deny that climate changes naturally and to say otherwise is a straw man argument. What we're saying now is the current climate change is both anomalous to natural changes (eg - much more dramatic than natural change) and forced by CO2 emissions. Multiple proxy studies of temperature change over the past 1000 years all come to the same conclusion: "although each of the temperature reconstructions are different (due to differing calibration methods and data used), they all show some similar patterns of temperature change over the last several centuries. Most striking is the fact that each record reveals that the 20th century is the warmest of the entire record, and that warming was most dramatic after 1920."
Lastly, re your question about China's CO2 emissions. To be honest, I'm not a greenie or a socialist - my primary interest and attention has been on the science. It concerns me that many people make decisions on whether global warming is man caused or not based on political reasons when it's a purely scientific matter. So I argue the science and consider discussions on Al Gore, socialism, carbon credits etc irrelevant to the question "is global warming caused by manmade CO2 emissions?"
Therefore I'm not as informed on the economic issues as much as the science issues (although I plan to remedy that) so I'm reluctant to get in an argument about it until I'm more informed. To take a simplistic approach, I would liken it to the water restriction levels currently in force in my neighbourhood. We're encourage to take 4 minute showers. The China argument is akin to saying "my neighbour takes long showers so I'll be damned if I'm going to use less water than him". America is responsible for 25% of the world's CO2 emissions so are in an ideal position to lead the world in this problem. But before that can happen, the first step is admitting we have a problem which many people are reluctant to do.
John Cook
May 17, 2007 - 21:41 ET by RJ"25% of the world's CO2 emissions"
I'm sure you meant to say 25% of the anthropogenic CO2 emissions....which is an entirely different thing. However, since you brought it up, are you aware of the tiny percentage that represents of the real "world's CO2 emissions?" It doesn't sound nearly as scary as your quote....which I'm sure was accidental.
RJis it estimated that humans
May 17, 2007 - 21:45 ET byRJ
is it estimated that humans contribute 4% of the total CO2? I think thats the number so 25% of 4% is 1%. We really need to pass laws to stop those darn volcanoes
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LOL, botg
May 17, 2007 - 21:52 ET by RJLOL, botg. Thanks for the numbers. I knew it was down around there, but I was too lazy to look it up. I was more intent on yanking Mr. Cook's chain for his "accidental" scare quote that we are responsible for 25% of world CO2 emissions! ;^>
RJi was being lazy also thats
May 17, 2007 - 21:59 ET byRJ
i was being lazy also thats why i asked a question about the 4%
based on John Cooks #s its 3.42% and 0.857% for the US
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CO2 emissions
May 17, 2007 - 22:00 ET by John CookRJ, apologies, I meant anthropogenic CO2 emissions, not all CO2 emissions. Thanks for the correction.
Yes, I'm aware of the percentage of manmade CO2 emissions compared to natural emissions which is much larger. Consumption of vegetation by animals & microbes accounts for about 220 gigatonnes of CO2 per year. Respiration by vegetation emits around 220 Gt. The ocean releases about 330 Gt. In contrast, human CO2 emissions are only around 26.4 Gt per year. Pretty tiny in comparison, huh?
The point is human CO2 emissions upsets the natural balance. CO2 levels have remained fairly steady until recently as natural emissions are balanced by natural absorptions. CO2 levels have hovered between 180 and 300 parts per million of the past 500,000 years. Land plants absorb about 440 Gt of carbon per year and the ocean absorbs about 330 Gt.
As for human CO2 emissions, about 40% is being absorbed, mostly by the oceans. The rest remains in the atmosphere which is why atmospheric CO2 has risen to record high levels over 380 ppm.
The natural order has a way o
May 17, 2007 - 22:10 ET byThe natural order has a way of balancing itself i think you overestimate us
do you have any info on what effect a temperature rise will have on the amount of evaporation from the oceans and will it cause more clouds and more rain? Don't clouds reflect and rain cool? are these factors included?
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Re clouds
May 17, 2007 - 23:59 ET by John Cook"The natural order has a way of balancing itself i think you overestimate us"
Obviously not as CO2 levels are at record highs and hence the 20th century is the warmest of the last 2000 years and warming has been most dramatic after 1920.
Re clouds, they are one of the most difficult aspects and one of the largest sources of uncertainty in climate modelling. The IPCC do factor in clouds in the climate models used in the 2007 TAR report (http://www.grida.no/...). Hence the use of language like "likely" and "very likely" to indicate probabilities & uncertainties.
I find it ironic that skeptics often label global warming as "the new religion". In actuality, the conclusion that global warming is caused by human CO2 emissions is based on the overwhelming consensus of peer reviewed scientific literature. Why do you believe otherwise? The natural order? Clouds? Sounds like a leap of faith.
Let's just say it's a bit ear
May 18, 2007 - 00:07 ET byLet's just say it's a bit early and a lot of the computer modeling is based on assumptions in the input as to effect. There is just so much that the people defining the model don't know which makes the result suspect. Last year was supposed to be another record year for hurricanes; if the models don't get it right 6 months in advance why would i trust them for 50 years in advance?
I'll check you tommorrow, thanks b
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"Scientific Consensus" is a political construct
May 18, 2007 - 00:09 ET by RJ"Scientific Consensus" is a political construct, Mr. Cook. It's used by those who want to stifle continuing critical thought on an issue that is far from settled.
Here we go again
May 18, 2007 - 00:24 ET by Free StinkerHere we go again . . .
There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998
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"George W. Bush simply reminds leftists everyday what they will never be. And they hate him for it." --Tammy Bruce
Warming since 1998
May 18, 2007 - 01:29 ET by John Cook1998 was an unusually hot year because, according to NASA, it featured the strongest El Nino of the century. Climate change is concerned with long term trends - that's the only way to filter out the noise of weather which is chaotic by nature. Viewing the CRU's graph of temperature over the past century shows the trend clearly hasn't reversed and 1998 is an anomaly.
CO2 levels have not at all be
May 19, 2007 - 01:09 ET by NL207CO2 levels have not at all been stable until fairly recently. They have been varying constantly over the geologic history of this planet. Who are you trying to kid? The CO2 concentration in the early eocene epoch was 1125 ppm. Its 385ppm today. 200 years ago it was thought to be 270 ppm. Its been going up and down for the last 500 million years at least.
Mr. Cook:Thank you for your r
May 19, 2007 - 05:39 ET by dahliatraversMr. Cook:
Thank you for your reply.
The Duke University article is pointing to a contribution to global warming. The theory of AGW states that man is the sole precipitator of global warming.
One of the many items that makes this is difficult to accept, by the way, is the low percentage of greenhouse gases that man contributes: 5.53% if water vapor (the biggest greenhouse gas of all) is disregarded; .28% (less than one third of one percent) if water vapor is included.
http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.htm
The point about China is not economic, it is the entire premise of global warming. If global warming is caused by man's CO2 and if China is about to surpass the US with their CO2 emissions, why are they exempt from participating in the proposed solution - namely, the reduction of manmade CO2?
For the record, most AGW sceptics have no desire to pollute. We like a clean environment and have no desire, for example, to spend more on gasoline than we have to. And we agree that the United States has an obligation to be environmentally responsible. But to state that the onerous (proposed) solution to the far from proven theory of AGW is to reduce CO2 emissions - two problems already - and then compound this by saying, but pay no attention to the emissions of the soon to be biggest contributor of CO2. They don't count, somehow.
It is grossly inconsist with the theory and solution of AGW to close one's eyes to the CO2 contributions of China and other countries. As though only American CO2 was causing global warming. If this is going to be the approach, Mr. Cook, we are doomed to fail. It is not possible for the United States, were our CO2 contribution to drop to zero, to compensate for the CO2 being contributed by China and other exempt countries.
What did you think about the
May 16, 2007 - 21:53 ET by dahliatraversWhat did you think about the IPCC cherry picking pre-industrial CO2 measurements to create a temperature/CO2 correlation where there apparently was none?
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming051407.htm
Good cite D, keep this up and
May 16, 2007 - 21:56 ET byGood cite D, keep this up and I'll be forced to have Shell forward my check to you
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Thanks, botg, but perish the
May 16, 2007 - 22:08 ET by dahliatraversThanks, botg, but perish the thought. There's more than enough oil money to go around ...
Well i will keep my BP and Ex
May 16, 2007 - 22:18 ET byWell i will keep my BP and Exxon checks
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global warming myth
May 17, 2007 - 08:52 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsToo bad these scientists disagree with you.
But what do they know.
D
A day without NewsBusters is like a day without sunshine.
Excellent, thanks, Dont.
May 17, 2007 - 10:35 ET by dahliatraversExcellent, thanks, Dont.
Not Max Planck
May 18, 2007 - 23:26 ET by misterbillNot Max Planck--you were reading the Hardiplank report. Very strange indeed.
Here's a shock - that peopl
May 19, 2007 - 01:58 ET by MilesDHere's a shock - that people will try to throw mud at immediately, but that mud cannot be made to stick:
Except for one situation, NOTHING has EVER changed the GLOBAL climate of ANY planet., within the period of time that the planet has had an atmosphere of rather constant composition.
Yup, that is what I conclude. Solar output is too vairaible too quickly to change a climate, and so is every other possible influence. Topographical changes resulting from asteroids, volcanoes, anything, if these were not of a magnitude to change the composition of the atmosphere, they didn't change the GLOBAL climate, either.
The only thing that changes a GLOBAL climate is the variation of eccentricity of a planet in its orbit around the sun. There are several factors, the largest is usually the influence of near planets, excepting Mercury, for which the dominant influence on the variation of eccentricity is relativistic.
For the Earth, this varies the distance to the Sun betwen the seasons, and it occurs within tens of thousands of year cycles.
eccentricity of a planet in i
May 19, 2007 - 05:48 ET by dahliatraverseccentricity of a planet in its orbit around the sun
Huh. Interesting point, Miles. See, that's one of the reasons being given to explain the warming on other planets. (Anything to stay away from the possibility that the sun itself has a role in planetary warming!) But somehow, that cannot be an explanation for the warming on Earth. We need to focus in, laser-like, on our 5.53% or .28% CO2 contribution, to the exclusion of all other possibilities.
if you took every bit of co
May 19, 2007 - 14:00 ET by MilesDif you took every bit of coal and petroleum out of the ground you could get
and if you piled it all up and set the whole damn thing on fire with about 100 one megaton thermonuclear bombs
and if you waited fifteen or twenty years for the dust to settle out of the atmosphere
you could not measure a temperature change that was caused by the carbon dioxide that was added to the atmosphere
That's quite a statement, Mil
May 19, 2007 - 15:11 ET by dahliatraversThat's quite a statement, Miles.
Krakatoa
May 19, 2007 - 06:20 ET by Cool ArrowKrakatoa, the explosion heard around the world produced a year without summer as far away as The United States.
Seems the Earth is still a habitable place.
And why must we believe climate change is necessarily a bad thing? Multiple times more people die in Chicago yearly due to the cold winter than die from the heat in Summer.
It has been the most glorious Spring here in West Texas I've seen in my 54 years. I praise God for exposing the foolishness of Al Gore.
Why Neptune is brightening
May 31, 2007 - 16:48 ET by John CookIt's helpful to read the original article abstract which concludes "Although correlations between Neptune's brightness and Earth's temperature anomaly--and between Neptune and two models of solar variability--are visually compelling, at this time they are not statistically significant." In essence, the fact that Neptune and Earth are both warming means nothing but isn't it fun to put the two graphs next to each other?! Hardly a ringing endorsement and yet this article is quoted with triumph by global warming skeptics.
The strangest thing about the article is it's graph of TSI (Total Solar Irradiance) from an outdated reconstruction of solar irradiance by Foukal et al made 5 years ago which ends in 1990. Foukal's reconstruction contradicts direct satellite measurements by PMOD that have found solar output has shown no rising trend since 1978, sunspot numbers which have leveled out since 1950, the Max Planck Institute reconstruction that shows irradience has been steady since 1940 and solar radio flux or flare activity which shows no rising trend over the past 30 years.
So what's causing Neptune's warming? The planet reached its farthest point from the sun in 1960 so it's been moving towards the sun ever since. Neptune's orbit is 163 years so observations of Neptune's orbit (1950 to present day) spans less than a third of a Neptunian year. This has led astronomers to conclude that Neptune brightening is a seasonal response.
So why Neptune is brightening is clearly not related to increasing solar output. The only mystery here is how such an ambiguous and misleading article could get through the peer review process.
Since the time of Galileo's
May 31, 2007 - 17:14 ET by MilesDSince the time of Galileo's (unrecognized) identification of Neptune as a planet and misinterpretation of it as a fixed star and subsequent prediction of its existence by Adams of England and Leverier of France by the unaccounted perturbations of the predicted orbit of Uranus over eighty years and (re)discovery a year later in Germany, Neptune has been known to vary in absolute brigtness between the eighth and eighth and one half magnitude at intervals within six months to two years.
Periodic variations of brightness led to the discovery of its moons. Resolution of moon eclipse in 1979 led to the discovery of Neptune's rings. Resolution of another periodic variation in brightness amidst unaccounted for variations in brightness led to corrections in the known elements of its orbit and eccentricity, which had apparently remained uncertain as a result of Galileo's recorded measurements.
Although the inclination of the axis of its rotation with respect to the ecliptic has been known for some time, the absolute period of its single rotation has been uncertain. Meaning that a seasonal adjustement of brightness is consistent within the residual uncertainty