Wash Times: An Anti-Gun Column Filled With Lies

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What is it about anti-gunners that they just have to lie in their advocacy against guns? Do they lie because they know the facts makes them look so bad? This time it's the Washington Times' turn to publish an anti 2nd Amendment piece based on several lies. This one, penned by an Alex Gerber, worries that gun control will "apparently be glossed over again" and claims that the evil "American gun culture" is so insensitive to have tolerated "some 14,000 firearm murders" in 2005.

Only there weren't 14,000 "firearm murders" in 2005. According to FBI statistics, there were 10,100 gun murders in 2005 instead of the 14,000 cited by Gerber. In fact, the whole of the 2005 murder rate of all causes was 15,517, not much more than just the gun deaths claimed by Gerber.

Conveniently ignoring all the evidence that says more armed people in a given area actually lowers gun violence, Gerber goes on to claim that the idea that if the students at Virginia Tech were armed, maybe so many would not have died before the killer was taken down is "a joke". Absurdly, he makes his claim as if he knows beyond doubt that it could not be true that others being armed could have lowered the VT kill ratio.

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What is not a joke is the absurd contention of the NRA gunslingers that if the Virginia Tech students had been armed there would have been far fewer victims.

And Gerber knows this... how?

I would not claim to know that, should other students have been armed, fewer would have died, but the evidence that more guns means fewer gun crimes is strong enough that the idea should be considered sensible. Whereas the opposite, that posited by Gerber, simply is not as logically deducible. But, either way, no one will know unless the idea is tried.

Another lie is Gerber's focus on the lapsed "assault weapons" ban with the columnist acting as if it is a useful, good law that should have been renewed. As Gerber goes on to decry that George Bush allowed the so-called assault weapons ban to lapse in 2004 he, of course, fails to prove why keeping the ban would do any good. According to the FBI, "assault weapons" are not used for gun violence in the US (7,543 of the 10,000 gun deaths were done with handguns which are NOT "assault weapons"). So, keeping such a ban would do nothing to alleviate the number of gun related deaths in this country that Gerber is so worried about.

By the way, while Gerber is all exercised by gun deaths, the FBI also catalogs nearly 2,000 deaths in 2005 by knives or other edged implements. Is he all about eliminating America's evil Knife culture, too?

Somehow, I'd bet he has never given it a second thought.

And, I have to say, it has always amazed me that "Doctors" like Gerber get in such high dudgeon over 15,000 some murders a year, but they don't bother their self-righteous selves about the 39,189 auto deaths in the US. (see US murder rates since 1965 here See 2005 auto accident stats here) How are guns more dangerous than autos at this rate?

Last, Gerber trots out the old chestnut that anti-gunners love to pull wherein the Founders are called irrelevant. He even mocks those who say the Constitution is the best law ever created by putting in quotes the praise for the document -- as Gerber puts it: The debate over gun control is dominated by the interpretation of the Second Amendment to our Constitution -- widely acclaimed as "the finest document ever devised by man."

He imagines that all the reasons that the founders created the militia idea "are not germane today". Of course, many thought the hundreds of years that the ancient Greek Republics were successful made them permanent and others imagined that Rome was a perfect society never to turn into tyranny. And it is sure that many Germans imagined the Weimar Republic was going to last forever with little fears of a lapse into despotism, too.

We all know how those "success stories" turned out, don't we?

Doc Gerber is more compassion than knowledge and it is a shame that this ill informed person was given such a forum to air his unfounded views. Unfortunately, what we have with this Washington Times piece is illogic, wrapped in fantasy and backed up by lies and the Times should be ashamed of themselves.


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The Times?? Does this mean

The Times?? Does this mean our side gets something sensible in The Post today???

And what's widely accepted -- even by lefty Hahvahd professors like Lawrence Tribe -- is that self defense is an individual right, located in the individual rights section of the Bill of Rights. (As an example of the "group" kind of right, Jefferson called the 9th and 10th amendments "magnificent generalities," not anticipating the modern judicial & political system's studied ignorance of the two.) And if you think auto accident stats are bad, try deaths of various sorts due to mistakes by doctors! Hell, at this point, AFAIK whoever prescribed a famous pregnant dingbat an entire opiate pharmacy walks free, while AFAIK this guy stays behind bars awaiting re-trial despite a clear big-government vendetta against him for practicing good medicine, and nobody but me even questions the Orwellian situation....
JMR

Sarc,

Sarc,

You wrote...

The Times?? Does this mean our side gets something sensible in The Post today???

What do you mean "gets something sensible"?

I am a little confused. Are you FOR this Times op ed by Gerber -- making you anti 2nd Amendment, or against it -- making you pro 2nd Amendment?

The Times' piece is 100% ANTI 2nd Amendment.

Sorry I was unclear, it's b

Sorry I was unclear, it's been my impression that the Times is (generally) conservative/pro-gun and the Post is (generally) left/anti-gun, so the source of the BS in this case was a bit shocking to me. And I've never been anything but 100% pro Bill of Rights -- the whole thing, not just the Second -- as also seen in the "should the FCC have censored Stern" debate/debacle on another thread.
JMR

OK. Gotcha now. But, you

OK. Gotcha now.

But, you are right. It is sad that this piece of junk came from the Washington Times which is usually on the right side of the issues. Perhaps they are trying to be "fair and balanced"?

But, I can't let an MSM source slide if they are wrong just because they are on my side most of the time. When they're wrong, they're wrong. I have my integrity... and it gets me in trouble sometimes.

But, that is this writer's position on guns in the Times. I hope I'm not misconstrued to be saying it is the Times' position, too I don't know what their editorial policy on guns is. But, if they let this one through, it doesn't bespeak well for them.

Maybe they're secretly on our side

Maybe they're secretly on our side while feigning fairness and balance, and the editors allowed this one through because it's so filled with falsehoods that it actually helps the pro-gun side? A softball right over the center of the plate for you and Howard Nemerov to hit out of the park, IOW. Trying (this isn't easy) to think like an anti-gunner for a second, would I really want a piece so filled with easily-refuted falsehoods out there at all? (OTOH, blatant lies don't seem to bother some folks on the left or the right in the least...)
JMR

There's a building near me

There's a building near me where almost everyone carries a gun. There may be a building like it near you.

I have never heard anyone say they are worried about these armed people.

No one has ever been shot there. No nutty teen has ever 'gone postal' there. I expect none ever will.

It's called the police barracks.

D


A day without NewsBusters is like a day without sunshine.

You're half right - the cop s

You're half right - the cop shops are protected by signs at the doors prohibiting anyone from taking a gun into the building. A marvelous thing, signs.

When the facts are inconvenient

When the facts are inconvenient for the liberals, they make up "facts" that they like better. Also, a typical rhetorical trick is to deride and belittle the idea that you are arguing against because some in the audience will not want to be associated with an idea that someone makes fun of.

Fact: Almost all the mass murders with a gun in the last 10-15 years have been committed in a supposedly "gun free zone". Since insane people and hardened criminals do not obey laws as a matter of course, the gun-free-zone is really an unarmed victim smorgasbord to them.

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic.

I was a police officer for ne

I was a police officer for near 30 years I used to joke (black humor of course) that if you want to commit murder never use a gun use a car instead. You will probably never go to prison for more than 10 years. Another thing, I have had more near death experiences (almost daily) in my life from my idiocy or another's idiocy on the road in a car or on my motorcycle than from firearms that includes my stint as a police officer and an infantry soldier in the tropical paradise of Viet Nam.

"A mind is a terrible thing." - A comic I forgot the name of.

Liberals lie?  Oh my! Before

Liberals lie?  Oh my! Before long they will be rioting in the streets, burning cars, threatening their critics, vandalizing, protesting, suing, slandering and harrassing anything and everything they don't like. As we all know, this behavior inevitability leads to parading around with silly signs. Then it's Katie bar the door, 'cause all hell is going to break loose.

Doctor Gerber should check

Doctor Gerber should check out these interesting facts.


Medical Errors - A Leading Cause of Death

The JOURNAL of the AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION (JAMA) Vol 284, No 4, July 26th 2000 article written by Dr Barbara Starfield, MD, MPH, of the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health, shows that medical errors may be the third leading cause of death in the United States.

The report apparently shows there are 2,000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery; 7000 deaths/year from medication errors in hospitals; 20,000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals; 80,000 deaths/year from infections in hospitals; 106,000 deaths/year from non-error, adverse effects of medications - these total up to 225,000 deaths per year in the US from iatrogenic causes which ranks these deaths as the # 3 killer. Iatrogenic is a term used when a patient dies as a direct result of treatments by a physician, whether it is from misdiagnosis of the ailment or from adverse drug reactions used to treat the illness. (drug reactions are the most common cause).

I think that you will find th

I think that you will find that the leading cause of intentional death (approximately 1,000,000 per year) is abortion - where someone dies as the direct action of a supposedly medical professional.

Evolutionists have heard of Darwin; Creationists understand Darwin.

What a shame --that--

What a shame --that--the infant dies instead of the murderer.

The worst thing a gun grabbe

The worst thing a gun grabber can cite is the Assault Weapons Ban!  I'm one of the few shooters who was really hoping the ban would be renewed in it's original state as it was the best thing that ever happened to shooters.  For example, I always wanted an FN/FAL rifle, but the cost was always about $1,200 to $1,600.  When the AWB went into effect, and these rifles were banned, the price went up to about $2,400.  When the price went that high, it became cost effective for US gun makers to buy these rifles as surplus from various militaries, take them apart and remove the receivers, ship the parts to the US and rebuild them on US-made receivers and add some other US-made parts, and voila... you now have a legal FN/FAL (now called an L1A1) that sells for $299.  The same thing was done to many other rifles, and the result was "new" rifles selling for much less than their original versions, and the availability of the Spanish CETME rifle, which hadn't been available before.

So, as a result of the AWB, we had the number of available weapons go WAY up, the types of weapons available go up, and the price coming WAY down.  More weapons, at better prices, so more folks could own them.  And, the crime rate went down despite all of this.

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Evolutionists have heard of Darwin; Creationists understand Darwin.

Unless I missed it. At least

Unless I missed it. At least this self appointed expert didn't moan about the criminals buying semi automatics And long clips. (Rather than stealing them.) Then using them to spray gunfire at everyone.

The libs have some some pretty stupid experts.

Never trust anyone who tells you they're an expert.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

danbo,Truer words were never

danbo,

Truer words were never uttered....

The libs have some some pretty stupid experts.

I might have to use that for a tag line for a bit....would you mind?

Be my guest. I was thinking o

Be my guest. I was thinking of using. "Never trust anyone who tells you they're an expert."

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

Antidote

As an antidote to this article, check out Tom Clancy's "But I Like To Shoot".

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

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