CNN’s Situation Room Asks ‘What If the World Took Climate Change Seriously?’

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By Matthew Balan | May 11, 2007 - 11:14 ET

The mainstream media’s promotion of climate change hype continues unfettered. A segment on Thursday’s "The Situation Room" wholeheartedly embraced the theory of human-caused global warming, and the International Panel on Climate Change’s recent "action plan" to do something about it.

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During his actual report, CNN correspondent Frank Sesno asked, "But what if the world took climate change seriously?" He then gave examples of two people that are taking global warming hype "seriously" and have become "trendy" for doing so - Sheryl Crow and Al Gore. More importantly, he stated that "leaders would have to lead, and make some unpopular decisions – incentives, subsidies, and yes, taxes, including a tax on carbon emissions, to spur investment and move the marketplaces. Expensive? You bet. Trillions and trillions." (continued...)

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Sesno began the segment citing a NASA report which suggests that greenhouse-gas warming may raise average summer temperatures in the eastern United States nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit by the 2080s. As Sesno put it, "a heat wave in Chicago could mean average temperatures of 110 degrees or so -- 100 to 110 degrees." Of course, this scenario from the report is only a hypothesis, but Sesno acts as if it’s really going to happen.

Interestingly, Sesno mentioned nuclear energy twice during the segment, as a possible option in the effort the reduce greenhouse gases, besides the more politically-correct options of wind, sea, and solar energy. He also mentioned the fact that China is about to surpass the United States as the leading emitter of greenhouse gases.

A full transcript of the segment:

WOLF BLITZER: A new study says we could be seeing a much warmer world in the not-too-distant future. Shouldn’t we be taking it seriously?

And joining us now, our special correspondent, Frank Sesno, for this week's ‘What If?’ segment -- Frank.

FRANK SESNO, CNN SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT: And what if we start with the maps, to look at what's happening with this whole climate change business. The United States of America, watch especially in the southern and northern portions. Here's a map of the temperature zones from 1990. Zoom forward, 2006. It's just getting warmer. And just yesterday, NASA came out with a new report, and they say by 2080 -- if you have a kid today, they'll still be around for this -- by 2080, a heat wave in Chicago could mean average temperatures of 110 degrees or so -- 100 to 110 degrees. You know, it's already under way. We're starting to see things around the world.

SESNO: These are not pretty pictures -- melting glaciers, dying coral reefs, drought in some places, warming lakes in others, endangered species. But what if the world took climate change seriously? Maybe it's starting to. It's certainly become trendy. It can make you a rock star, even if you're not one already. But what if it were more than talk? Well, last week, the International Panel on Climate Change, experts from around the world, wrote up an action plan. And they identified lots of options.

Starting today, we could shift from coal to gas, build more nuclear power plants, move toward more efficient vehicles, manage farms and forests to reduce carbon emissions. Future technologies commercially viable within 20 years will be even more important -- high-tech renewal energy from wind, sea, and sun, advanced biofuels from agriculture waste, plug-in hybrids. I've seen GM's prototype myself. It can run on no gas at all. And for old energy like coal, technology to capture and store the carbon released when it's burned.

What if we got serious about doing all of this? Leaders would have to lead, and make some unpopular decisions -- incentives, subsidies and, yes, taxes, including a tax on carbon emissions, probably, to spur investment and move the marketplace. Expensive? You bet. Trillions and trillions. The climate panel says the cost could slow global growth up to five percent, a bitter pill, given poverty and population pressures around the world. But if it cleared the air, it could pay dividends in both global and human health. What if hand-wringing were replaced by action? It would be a start.

SESNO: A start, Wolf. But back to the map of the globe, and you see just how huge the problem is. First, to China. This is a country of 1.3 billion people. They have lifted 400 million out of poverty. They have 700 million people to go. They are soon going to surpass the United States as the leading emitter of greenhouse gases. To Malaysia and Indonesia, we barely even think of them. They're the third largest emitters now because their rain forests are burning and their peat bogs that’s putting up so much of this stuff. And, of course, the United States of America -- five percent of the world's population, 25 percent of the resources. And we all want continued economic growth. This is really hard.

BLITZER: You've studied this, I know, very, very intensively. Will any of these solutions work, Frank?

SESNO: Well, what's interesting from the climate panel is they're all there. The technology is or will be there. It's a matter of political will. But it's also a matter of fact. The world's population is probably going to double in the next 20 years, 30, 40 years, something like that, by 2050. And the needs for power are going to double. And according to Nathan Lewis -- he's a professor at Cal Tech, he's a chemistry professor out there -- we would have to build a new nuclear power plant every other day for the next 50 years if we were going to address the power needs we know we're going to need without contributing to more global warming.

BLITZER: Good ‘What If?’ segment. Thanks very much. Sobering information.

—Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.

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During his actual report, Ses

During his actual report, Sesno asks, "But what if the world took climate change seriously?" He then gives examples of two people that are taking seriously and have become "trendy" for doing so - Sheryl Crow and Al Gore. More importantly, he states that "leaders would have to lead,

Interesting spin on leadership don't you think?  The very people who live unsustainable lifestyles consuming vast amounts of energy are the leaders of the AGW movement.  The validity of any movement is measured by the adherance of it's leaders to the doctrine they espouse everyone should live by.  Leadership is not about tricking or manipulating people to do what they don't want, it is demonstrating truth by those willing to live by what they espouse, leadership by example.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

Do as I say crowd

It's the old "DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO" Crowd.  Kinda like a parent telling a child not to smoke, then lighting up one after another!! 

Al "ban the press"

Al "ban the press" Gore and Sheryl "it was a joke!" Crow

He wants us to take climate change seriously and then names the two peole that make it increasingly difficult to do so.

Well-stated, dscott.Today's s

Well-stated, dscott.

Today's so-called leaders seem content with allowing themselves to be spooked, than they are with having an honest national debate about the issue.  The Dems just leave it all in the hands of Prince Albert Gore.  The Reps don't have a guru of their own, so slowly but surely, they a gradually gravitating toward Gore's thesis if not his leadership.

Without leadership, we'll go down the Gore road to economic ruin and resolve nothing climate-wise.

The global warming priesthoo

The global warming priesthood counts on the fact that by 2080, for instance, most of us will no longer be alive to confirm that they were full of carbon by-products.

Build more Nuclear Plants????

Build more Nuclear Plants?????  I thought the eco-nuts were against Nuclear.

Some one make up their fricking mind!!!!!

"Life's tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid."
-John Wayne

The Greens ARE against Nuclea

The Greens ARE against Nuclear power.  In fact, they generally oppose the construction of any new power infrastructure of any kind.  They want a fascist state to dictate to YOU what kind of energy consumption lifestyle you may lead.    In this way, they are no different than the Islamofascists who want an all-powerful theocracy to dictate the religious beliefs you may hold.   Fascists are all the same.  All of them want to impose their particular vision on everyone else through the use of collective force.

They are also against hydroel

They are also against hydroelectric power, because dams can impact migratory wildlife and endangered species.

And don't forget, birds die w

And don't forget, birds die when they fly into wind farms!

Since we had record breaking

Since we had record breaking cold this winter, that the msm managed not to mention as much as possible, and when it hit the east coast they finally had to, but still managed to blame that on GW twistedly...

Now hip, hip hooray for them, summer time is coming, and you can be sure they cannot wait to report any and all record breaking temperatures, what I worry about is/are fires being intentionally started by the activists to make people and congress fearful arm in arm with the Dem's'...good thing election time is usually in the winter, unless they manage to change that too somehow.

A greenfield 1050 MW nuclea

A greenfield 1050 MW nuclear power plant every other day for the next fifty years? That's about 10 terawatts, or about 10 times current US capacity and about 13 times US current peak use. China and India will probably eat most of that up, and who knows where the fuel will come from (unless they breed from a thorium cycle or something).

The message of extreme improbability ( = impossibility, compared with other things like continental-size earthquake) climate change catastrophe is out there, but message is not focused and coherently delivered like the opposite is. Media guru need to figure out how to do it

That is, if Professor Lewis j

That is, if Professor Lewis just didn't pull that number out of his a**.  And there's a lot of that going on among the GW zealots. 

No, the number sounds about

No, the number sounds about right, assuming China and India come up to about the same standard of living as the USA, and assuming they continue to use a lot of electricity for process heat instead of direct coal or petroleum or gas heat. (That's the way they tend to operate now.)

That assumes a lot of economic reforms in Asia that aren't going to happen

Yes, that's the problem assum

Yes, that's the problem assumptions!  Extrapolating future events based on current trends requires lots of assumptions that are generally false.  What did Mark Twain say about generalizations?  They are all false. 

Let's take the biggest assumptions: In order to follow the trend they have made, one must assume that the level of energy efficiency remains static throughout the period of extrapolation.  Is that a valid assumption?  The answer is No.  One has to assume that the current US standard of living is static, i.e. not improving or will continue to do so. That assumption is false.  One has to assume that the current level of US standard of living is enjoyed by all and furthermore all the 2.3 Billion people of India and China will achieve it at the same time.  Those assumptions are also false.  Making any kind of extrapolation based on gross figures leads to gross mathematical results whose conclusions drawn are not necessarily valid.

According to the DOE, the per capita consumption of energy by the US has been flat for 30 years despite the rising standard of living, despite the increasing sq ft size of the average house (1400 to 2300 sq ft), despite the increasing population, despite the increasing wealth disparity between it's citizens.  Will this remain flat indefinitely?  Who knows.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

OK, agree extrapolation don

OK, agree extrapolation done with difficulty, actual DOE forecast was LOWER annual per capita energy consumption (retain same standard of living) - as a result of across the board efficiency improvements - car fuel efficiency, productivity improvements, and generally better technology. Car fuel efficiency generally did not improve over last 10 years because people usually prefered heavier cars.

Hey, it's a free market economy (FOR NOW!!!)

Anyway Asia economy and so standard of living will improve, because they will have the bulk of manufacturing, US standard of living will decline, because US government will be held hostage to Albert the Magic Prophet (profit) and allied warriors, the Media and the Sierra "club".

There are no presidential candidate voices speaking up. Only people like Inhofe - who is portrayed as a lunatic etc

"But what if the w

"But what if the world took climate change seriously?"

Easy. The entire world economy would eventually look like those of the poorer 3rd World economies that currently dot this planet. Most every one on Earth would be living under a nanny-state dictatorship of some form or other. The standard of living many enjoy would soon plummet, except, of course, for members of the leftist elitists, such as Al Gore.and his ilk, who are far smarter than the rest of us and therefore deserve to live as they are accustomed. Soon, the world would degenerate into barbarism, as our Islamic friends would no-doubt exploit this situation to their ultimate benefit.

This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.-
Neal Boortz.

... but .... but ..... Albe

... but .... but ..... Albert is trying to demonstrate why he is better than you and me and why he is different and needs to be treated differently ...

Joe Sixpack and his truck and his girlfriend/wife and job see this and think it's a joke. He doesn't know that Albert and Media and so the government don't consider it comedy.

So Joe and his girlfriend and dog are going to just get STUCK with the consequences one day. And wonder HOW THE HELL DID THIS HAPPEN

The irony of going backwards

The irony of going backwards on our standard of living is that the end result is Haiti, so let's ask the question:  Does the environment fair better or worse when the population is poverty stricken or technologically backward (which goes hand in hand with the standard of living)?  I assert that one look at any 3rd world country says the environment is worse off when people are poor and lack technology. 

Here's a challenge to the econuts: Name one 3rd world country whose environment is in better shape than the US. 

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

Spot on Dscott:The blame Amer

Spot on Dscott:

The blame America first crowd doesn't want to see that but they will blame us for that too.

Since we are the down fall of all that is bad in the world it is us in the USA that causes the 3rd world country to be that way.

Circular liberal Logic.

"Life's tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid."                    
-John Wayne

Ya know, I was sitting there

Ya know, I was sitting there thinking seriously about Global Warming, and such.  I thought long and hard about it, really straining my mind.  I finally came to the conclusion that one man can make a difference....so, I gave the roll a Crow spin for good luck, wiped my Gore and flushed.

Yaba daba doo!  -Fred Flintstone campaign slogan

RhB,ROFLMAO!That was good! 

RhB,

ROFLMAO!

That was good! 

I am honored, Mr. big (my wor

I am honored, Mr. big (my work here is done)

Yaba daba doo!  -Fred Flintstone campaign slogan

Ben...Laughing again...I am a

Ben...

Laughing again...

I am a gal.

Just thought I'd let ya know.

My apologies dear lady, I cou

My apologies dear lady, I couldn't tell.

Yaba daba doo!  -Fred Flintstone campaign slogan

The real question is: When wi

The real question is: When will the liberal world take terrorism seriously?"

A few points to ponder:

Environmentalists: Terrorists don't give a damn about the environment or GW. They want YOU dead.

Homosexuals:Terrorists don't give a damn about the You. They want YOU dead.

Democrat candidates: Terrorists don't give a damn about you. They want YOU dead.

Feminists & Minorities:Terrorists don't give a damn about you. They want YOU dead.

Civil Rights leaders:Terrorists don't give a damn about you. They want YOU dead.

Nancy Pelosi:Terrorists don't give a damn about you. They want YOU dead.

Did I leave any one out?

Liberals in general: Terrorists hate Bush as much as You do, so disregard the above and continue to help them as you are doing now.

"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

Dad Gummit...You left out 'il

Dad Gummit...

You left out 'illegals'.

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

Good point, Clear . They do w

Good point, Clear . They do want non muslim illegals dead.

Your screen name is accurate.

seriously, it goes like this..

Seriously, it goes like this.. The clip suggests: "Starting today, we could shift from coal to gas,"

Oh yea. Mmm sure.  Actually the environmentalists will be the big  problem, not Bush. As with the Kennedy's and the Cronkite's, NIMBY is the rule of reality.

Out here in CA, just last month.... "A state commission's 2-1 decision to kill a proposed liquefied natural gas terminal 30 miles west of Pacific Palisades has been hailed by coastal advocates.."  palisades post

"Starting today, we co

"Starting today, we could shift from coal to gas,"

Good move, nice one, we're straining to meet gas load as is with all the electricity shift to gas, cost of gas is now $5/MBtu, and at $8 it pushed a lot of the chemical industry right outta here, let's go make that stuff out of thin air and ozone

We get 52% of electricity now from coal, we only need an additonal 10 trillion cf of gas to make it up, great work, the product of an extraordinary mind

The public has to be made aware that the lunatics want to smash what they know as the American way of life. SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO SHOW THEM WHAT WILL HAPPEN

Hey, we can make it out of th

Hey, we can make it out of thin air.  Combining H2O with CO2 gives Methane CH4 and O2.  That's part of the Mars direct plan by Zubrin.  Problem is it takes energy to do it.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

Yeah, like about twice the

Yeah, like about twice the energy you get out of the methane that is made, on a good day. (The energy is a lot greater than methane combustion heat because of the free energy losses.)

JOHN Q PUBLIC, LISTEN: YOU'VE GOT TO STOP THIS ECONOMIC JIHAD

You mean like corn to Ethanol

You mean like corn to Ethanol?  snicker, snicker.

In the end, converting anything to a usable form of energy for current technology will use more energy than what you get out.  The same can be said of making electricity from coal, natural gas or oil fired plants.  This is why it is more efficient to use a solar water heater than a solar PV panel to make electricity then send it to an electric water heater. The rate of conversion (efficacy) depends on what you intend to do with the energy you use. The issue always is using your resources in the most efficient way.  e.g. so instead of using a solar PV panel to make electricity to break down water for H2 for storage for future use, creating CH4 gives more bang for the buck (storage at lower pressure and temperature), that's why NASA is now experimenting with methane rocket fuel.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

Storage at lower pressure a

Storage at lower pressure and higher temperature, you mean.

Efficiency of conversion of heat to work (power) is limited by the upper and lower operating temperatures, of course.

Effficiency of PV conversion is limited by thermodynamics of silicon (for sunlight, max. conversion is around 30%).

Terrestrial PV efficiency (sunlight energy -> electricity) is around 15% for silicon, depending. Approaches 20-25% in space because of the extra UV outside the atmosphere.

Best that can be done with energy conversion of water electrolysis is around 60%, overall, from water to hydrogen (and burn the hydrogen in the oxygen you get) this is usually the considered the weak link in the hydrogen plan.

NASA probably has a CO2 cycle in mind because they will recycle human CO2, and all payload weight is minimized.

Assuming, of course, water can be (reasonably) extracted from the Moon, and probably needs more water than has been identified to date on The Red Planet

Here is a methane economy pla

Here is a methane economy plan from NZ, it seems to make sense from an engineering point of view.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

Looks great, let's go, the

Looks great, let's go, the first person who can convince me that the cost of CO2 separation and storage is anything CLOSE to the price of fuel, well sign me right up.

From an engineering point of

From an engineering point of view, why not use the land, sun, and expertise we have here in the US to create fuel?

4 MM Bbl Diesel/day , in le

4 MM Bbl Diesel/day , in less than 0.5% of the land area of the US (= about 18.5 thousand square miles)

Do you have any idea of the labor involved in managing a pond of one acre in size? There are 640 acre/square mile.

"Managing it" would mean keeping the water reasonably clean, and most importatly, keeping it free of any growth except the desired algae.

The algae ponds would have to have continual water supply, and drainage.

Some questions arise:

1) Where would all the fresh water come from?

2) Where would the ponds drain to?

3) How much labor force would be required to manage something like this?

4) Suppose a pond became infected (overgrown with bacteria or anything else that wasn't wanted). How would one clean that up? This would be worse than any existing Superfund site.

5) Does this idea sound feasible? Or beyond chimerical?

Great job of trying to think

Great job of trying to think of reasons it would not work.  It does not require continuous supply and drainage of water - this is a sealed system.  Sealed systems make growing the desired algae easy.  I have worked in the labs at CSU with closed systems that propogate a desired organism for bioremediation of lethal/toxic elements such as toluene, benzene, and other substances- breaking them down into inerts.  This has become quite manageable in the last dozen years.

1 and 2) The same university proposing this excels at bioremediation.  Reasonably clean?  Bioremediation solves that rather easily and is easily scaled.   Eliminates the need to drain, they reuse the water.

3) Depends on the automation, currently I manage a facilitiy using high tech, high end automation so I can tell you with reasonable confidence that much of this is done with low - tech easily maintainable, durable, long lived equipment.(just take a look at the simplicity)  Teh robots travel only on one axis and much of it is done with no moving parts- a low power electronic field is generated to churn the algae.

4) These are sealed containers of algae. Decreases chances of contamination and basically eliminates the possibility of cross contamination.

5) Not only do I think so but so do a lot of other people.  I think it is way more viable than growing crops because it is in a far more controlled environment.

I dont understand how this would be worse than a superfund site, please explain.  I have been to a couple of superfund sites and the leading problem is that they are not organic in nature - heavy metals, radiation, etc.

I believe you clicked on the link and immediately tried to find reasons it would not work instead of reasons it would.  I am an optimist about technology and about the ability to solve any problem.

I have worked with large-sc

I have worked with large-scale bioprocessing (solubilization of phosphate from rock, desulfurization of petroleum) and the results were not encouraging. Maintaining sterility to other pathogen proved insurmountable to very large scale production.

I have seen process economics (from NREL) on algae pond for no other purpose than eat up CO2, and for hydrogen. The economics in the best light were not encouraging.

Bioremidation is a different animal - it can pretty much manage itself. It has been good for ocean oil, and land clean up - it is slow though. But effective!

By a Superfund type of site I mean a situation for which there is no hope within available resources to clean it up. It is beyond available means to remediate.

Unfortunately for an uncontrolled algae pollution I see no way to reasonably remediate. There is certainly no way to consider "containment" of thousands of cubic miles of algae that I can see.

I'm a big fan of technology - only when I envision feasibility.

I can easily envision success in very large scale coal gasification, to methanol, then gasoline. I cannot envision this for cellulose-type material or paper wastes etc.

I have worked with large-sc

I have worked with large-scale bioprocessing (solubilization of phosphate from rock, desulfurization of petroleum) and the results were not encouraging. Maintaining sterility to other pathogen proved insurmountable to very large scale production.

I have seen process economics (from NREL) on algae pond for no other purpose than eat up CO2, and for hydrogen. The economics in the best light were not encouraging.

Bioremidation is a different animal - it can pretty much manage itself. It has been good for ocean oil, and land clean up - it is slow though. But effective!

By a Superfund type of site I mean a situation for which there is no hope within available resources to clean it up. It is beyond available means to remediate.

Unfortunately for an uncontrolled algae pollution I see no way to reasonably remediate. There is certainly no way to consider "containment" of thousands of cubic miles of algae that I can see.

I'm a big fan of technology - only when I envision feasibility.

I can easily envision success in very large scale coal gasification, to methanol, then gasoline. I cannot envision this for cellulose-type material or paper wastes etc.

I think there's a few of thin

I think there's a few of things going on here with the "warmers".  Scientists are looking forward to the convulsive cerebral orgasms they'll have if they can convince to world to spend the bucks to create some kind of change in the climate.....even if it's barely measurable.  Just as in the grant money they receive, they don't care why, where it comes from or how much it costs anybody else.  The greenies have a purely socialists agenda.  They see the opportunity (a hook) in the hysteria of global warming to finally get the world headed toward their idea of "paradise on earth".  The "we know what's best for you political left" wants to run it all.

I'm of the opinion they all know (except for the blind followers) the weather data has been massaged, smoothed and cherry picked to give the most dire outlook and that they likely will be "found out" soon.  That's why there is a coordinated full-court press that something has to be done NOW...so when the next natural cooling cycle occurs, they can claim credit for saving the world.

I'm not a young man.  One of my newfound motivations for living to be older is being here to witness their deeds crashing down around them in the worst kind of way.

In ending my rant, let me provide a link to a newly updated piece.  I'm not saying this guy is the final word on anything.  But, it was refreshing for me to read.  It might be getting cooler soon.  The Past and Future of Climate

CNN

CNN’s Situation Room Asks ‘What If the World Took Climate Change Seriously?’

What if the world took CNN seriously?

That, is the problem. Joe

That, is the problem. Joe Sixpack and Rick Unemploymentline DON'T take it seriously. But they are creating POLICY that people like Nurse Nancy and Beautiful Barbara happen to prefer.

Whether Joe and Rick think it's all a joke, or they don't

What if...

What if CNN took science seriously and reported honestly instead of with an agenda?


The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic.