Liberal newspapers like The Washington Post will try to drag every Democrat into the mainstream, even the radical ones. On today's Federal Page, reporter/columnist Lois Romano tells the tale of Rep. Barbara Lee of Berkeley, the only member of the House so radical that she voted against a military response to 9/11. The headline puts her in the current vogue: "A Voice Against Presidential War-Making Now Leads A Chorus." Romano describes how she's getting standing ovations in the Democratic caucus for her pragmatism:
Don't get her wrong; she says she will never vote for any measure that funds this war, including the one that could come for a vote today. But she is credited by Democrats with being able to balance principle and pragmatism...Lee, 60, is soft-spoken and is no lefty flame thrower. The daughter of a veteran of two wars (whom she still calls "Colonel"), she says she is not a pacifist.
At least Romano describes her as a "liberal Democrat." But she excluded evidence that might suggest that Barbara Lee votes like the official House pacifist. A reader might conclude that Lee's only opposing war in the Bush era because she doesn't trust this president to wage war. But in 1999, Lee was the only Democrat to oppose President Clinton's plan to drop bombs in Serbia over the ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. You could learn this because The Washington Post also offered a sympathetic profile of Barbara Lee's courage after the 420-to-1 roll call in 2001.
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Funny, they don't mention tha
May 10, 2007 - 06:17 ET by zfFunny, they don't mention that Presidental "war-making" is impossible without Congressional "war-making."
Interesting that the only m
May 10, 2007 - 06:31 ET by motherbeltInteresting that the only member of Congress to vote against military actions by two Presidents is not depicted as out of the mainstream. She is trying to "balance principle and pragmatism." Since the definition of pragmatism is "a practical approach to problems and affairs" and Lee refuses to vote for ANY funding for the war, how is that "balance"???? Doesn't a balance require two opposing views?
And just to make sure we know that she really, really is not a strict pacifist or against the military, we are informed that she is "the daughter of a veteran of two wars (whom she still calls "Colonel")". Well, there ya go! You can't accuse her of being anti-military....her father was a soldier!
The WaPo certainly does its best to make her sound mainstream, hell, even prescient, with a growing following. But any conservative who opposes unfettered abortion rights is classified as part of the "extreme right wing."
Bias? No bias here....move along......
That is a good point Motherbe
May 10, 2007 - 07:29 ET by USA4freedomThat is a good point Motherbelt. My dad is a vet so…. You can’t complain that I’m a pacifist.
I’m black so that cant be a racist comment.
I have Parkinson so you can’t tell me that I am wrong about stem cells.
I have a son that died in the war so I can say any dumb thing in the world and you cant criticize me.
My husband was shot and paralyzed by a gun, so that gives me a right to tell you that you can’t have a gun.
These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagn- 40th Anniversary of D-Day
Ann Coulter covers that t
May 10, 2007 - 07:56 ET by motherbeltAnn Coulter covers that topic very well in her book "Godless"....it's called "The Liberal Doctrine of Infallibility." Liberals insist on having their arguments made by people that we are not permitted to respond to, because they have pain.
Not a pacifist. Just like she
May 10, 2007 - 06:29 ET by ArchConservativeNot a pacifist. Just like she isn't trying to lose the war on terror. Just like her party isn't glad it defeated the Patriot Act or is trying to defund major military operations. I'm sure that those bad men over there won't attack us again if we pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan. What? We weren't in Iraq on 9/11? Oh well. It doesn't matter to Mz. Lee. She IS the Democrat Party. Everyone of you who didn't vote Repubican in the last election, this is what you get: her party in charge for two years. Hope you are all happy that you decided to "teach those guys a lesson". A lilly-livered, weak-kneed (r)epublican (except for Chucky Hagel) is better than any Democrat any day. Even Liebermann knew that, why do you think he's Independent?
"Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
- President George W Bush September 2001 speech to a joint session of Congress.
If she's not a pacifist, then
May 10, 2007 - 07:03 ET by BeowulfIf she's not a pacifist, then what would it take for her to vote for military action? A couple of nukes popped off in major US cities, with complete video footage of whose responsible along with a signed, witnessed confession?
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My dad was a master sergeant
May 10, 2007 - 07:30 ET by USA4freedomMy dad was a master sergeant in the Army, I never called him Sarge.
These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagn- 40th Anniversary of D-Day
Though I completely understoo
May 10, 2007 - 07:32 ET by USA4freedomThough I completely understood the term: Police up your room.
These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagn- 40th Anniversary of D-Day
Idiots
May 10, 2007 - 07:48 ET by cvgbuckeyeThe entire American public is taking all of this leftist propaganda and voting for these liberals far to lightly. As well, they are also considering this left wing media of ours as kind of harmless and shouldn't be taken so seriously.
Welllllllll, just consider a few things. If you are sick of hearing about all this Iraq business, all these crooks and villains in the White House and all these Neo-cons and all this other stuff; just keep rooting for the dems to throw all the bums out and here is what you should prepare yourself for:
1. Shortly after the RETREAT from Iraq, there will be a blood bath beyond comprehension that the dems will be unwilling to deal with.
2. The winners will form a grand coalition with Iran, Syria and Venezuela. Within a few months, you will be happy to pay at least $10 a gallon for gasoline (and thats just for starters). Home heating costs will occupy an enormous part of your budget. EVERYTHING else we buy will triple in cost due to EVERYTHING in our economy is affected directly or indirectly by energy prices.
3. Our economy will soon be in a wreck that will make the great depression look like a Sunday picnic.
4. Due to the fact that our standing in the world is dependent upon our military might and our military might is dependent on our economic might, we will be weakened to the point of being a second rate nation AT MOST.
5. Guess what happens to us next, in our vulnerable state, from the radical muslims.
Conclusion: We will be reduced to ashes as was the Roman Empire and the liberal media and politicians will have had their ways. They will then have their chance to see if their brand of socialism can work to rebuild a nation of ashes.
It won't.
Good luck comrades Nancy, Harry, Bill, Hillary, Teddy, Rhyming Reverends, Pravda: New York Times, CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS and on and on and on.
The idiots of this country (and now they are a majority) are handing it over to you on a silver platter and the only guy that has been committed to defending our way of life has been successfully labeled as the village idiot and run out of town.
Excellent analysis. Afraid
May 10, 2007 - 08:07 ET by vrwc13Excellent analysis. Afraid the dems do not look past the next election for their "collective" (pun intended) thought process. This may be harsh, but if they have their way, they may in the future be begging for their lives not unlike the unfortunate students at VT may have.
face piles of trials with smiles
Well, she may be a left-win
May 10, 2007 - 07:32 ET by Tom1969caWell, she may be a left-wing loon -- but at least she's consistent (unlike the long list of Dems who agreed Iraq was a threat when Slick Willie was in office, but don't want a Republican getting credit for solving a problem they had eight years to fix.)
--- Insert obligatory "I voted for it before I voted against it" joke here ---
~~~
"Al Gore never shuts up; it's just occasionally we have to hood him like a falcon so we can get some sleep..."Denis Miller (on Al Gore)
Yeah, she's consistent. Consi
May 10, 2007 - 08:03 ET by BeowulfYeah, she's consistent. Consistently wrong. And now she's "leading a chorus"...
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Definition of "Liberal Bias"
May 10, 2007 - 08:07 ET by fiskhus_jimYep - you folks nailed it right on its little pin head - she's suffering from liberal bias. I mean, that's what the NAZI's called it whenever a politician developed an independent point of view by letting the facts inform opinion.
Luckily, you folks will never have to be worried about being called "liberal" - and that's because you NEVER let the facts enter into any discussion of your worship and adoration of your Messiah, Our Lil Georgie.
You treasonous pseudo-Christians seem to think that you have been relieved of the responsibility to act as moral creations of God - but you haven't and you are destroying this country with your lies and ignorance.
In typical liberal fashion, y
May 10, 2007 - 08:20 ET by vrwc13In typical liberal fashion, you a liberal have accused us, mostly conservative, of the very thing thing you liberals do...distort the facts if in fact you use them at all. How interesting.
As for your comments on our President and our religion, I will speak for myself. President George Bush is President, with all due respect and should be treated as such. As for "Messiah" you will someday meet mine and you will bow your knee and confess with your tongue that He (alone) is Lord (Messiah) and you will hear that gut wrenching final words of His to you..."Depart, I do not know you".
face piles of trials with smiles
Ugh that's a little too melod
May 10, 2007 - 08:22 ET by LeonUgh that's a little too melodramatic for my morning tastes. It's a blog, not a made for tv movie script.
The problem is not just your ignorance, but also your immorality
May 11, 2007 - 07:40 ET by fiskhus_jimI happen to be a good, God-fearing Christian who believes that Jesus is the exemplar of our faith and tradition - You don't because you believe in too many men, and not God.
You believe in George Bush even though he has already told you he only loves money, not God and not America.
You believe in Dick Cheney even though he lies and his wife says there is no such thing as truth.
You believe in Pat Robertson even though he "invests' with terrorists, dictators and murderers.
You fear what you do not understand - so you fear everything, except God's wrath for your immoral killing of innocents.
Jesus never said if someone hits you it';s okay to kill them and steal your neighbors money to do so...Jesus said turn the other cheek.
If you can't obey Jesus' teachings, then you are NOT a Christian - and, if you can't obey the Constitution, then you are a Traitor.
This war isn't about liberal and conservative, it's about your ignorance and immorality.
I believe you are off your me
May 11, 2007 - 07:49 ET by Roger the ShrubberI believe you are off your meds, but don't let that stop you.
Wow.
Wow indeed
May 11, 2007 - 09:10 ET by RJWow indeed. This guy is a major league frother.
I don't, however, believe for a moment that he's a Christian.
Sources
May 11, 2007 - 09:13 ET by PawpawNCould we please have the sources for all these statements? Facts are what is needed in a discussion, so where are the facts?
First post, Sparky? Invoking
May 10, 2007 - 08:23 ET by Roger the ShrubberFirst post, Sparky? Invoking Godwin's Law so soon made me chuckle. Back to HuffPo you go, little fishie.
Saying Lee is "no Lefty flamethrower" is like saying Joan Rivers is no fan of plastic surgery...
why?
May 10, 2007 - 08:33 ET by the mad poleWhy is it that cowards alway's get taken seriosly? We should say shame and move on. We are at war and you screaming hippies are useless, just watch your "IDOL" and sleep, let the adults handle this.
Apparently...
May 10, 2007 - 08:35 ET by dmntd1Apparently Jim, you haven't been here long enough to catch my comparisons of the NAZI's and the Far Left Democrats. Here is a brief rundown:
Please make sure your train of thought carries freight.
Your Lies are Showing, Again!!
May 11, 2007 - 07:48 ET by fiskhus_jimThe NAZIs were for business rights ahead of hunan rights - just like you.
The NAZIs were for war as a means of securing economic growth - just like you.
The NAZIs were for conformity and hatred in all areas of public and private life, murdering gays, Jews, educated people, artists and any who were different - just like you.
The NAZIs were for, as you say, "Everything which is useful for the nation is lawful; everything which harms it is unlawful" - and this is exactly what Dick Cheney has pronounced as his one-percent doctrine.
You are a liar and a con man who is attempting to pervert the public's understanding of history so the NAZI ideology you worship can come true in this country. You are a traitor.
Even though reading your come
May 11, 2007 - 07:55 ET by Roger the ShrubberEven though reading your comedy is great fun, please take your meds. I say this in spite of the thorough enjoyment I am experiencing, watching the progressives, er, socialists on this site cringe when they read what their mentally-challenged comrade is saying.
Liberal Hypocrisy on Display again - Fiskhus_Jim
May 10, 2007 - 08:36 ET by atlasragingThat response was just another example of liberal hypocrisy. What "facts" are conservatives not considering? What secret facts does the leftwing extremists possess that's not available to the rest of us? Let's review some "facts" that have been enumerated by the looney left.
1. President Bush knew about 9/11 in advance.
2. President Bush blew up the levee's in New Orleans.
3. President Bush caused hurricane Katrina.
4. The Israeli's knew about 9/11 and evacuated "their" people.
5. John Kerry has a "secret" plan for victory in Iraq but refuses to disclose it.
6. The WTC was brought down by controlled explosions.
7. Iraq was not a threat before 2002.
8. Osama bin Ladin was not a threat before 9/11.
These are just a few "facts" of the liberal/progressive/socialist elements in America. Regarding the bigoted remark about psuedo Christians - why are you a member of a group that worships at the alter of a form of perverted Christianity? Socialism is just an attempt by men to be more righteous than God. That's the problem though isn't it? You lying liberal hypocrites are still having a problem trying to be more righteous than God, just observe the leftwing riots in France.
Attempting to paint the mains
May 10, 2007 - 08:38 ET by LeonAttempting to paint the mainstream left by the wacky beliefs of a few extremists is a old, tired, and cheap trick. Move along, it's been done to death.
"Attempting to pa
May 10, 2007 - 08:42 ET by MightyMouth"Attempting to paint the mainstream left by the wacky beliefs of a few extremists is a old, tired, and cheap trick."
Yeah, kinda like you're trying to do with LGF??
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
No MM - I never tried to say
May 10, 2007 - 08:47 ET by LeonNo MM - I never tried to say everyone on the right was like LGF. I explicitly stated that they were the extremists on the right. You can read my words clear as day in that thread.
Why do you insist in arguing with lies?
Oh, Okay. That means you do
May 10, 2007 - 08:57 ET by MightyMouthOh, Okay. That means you don't agree with any of atlasraging 8 examples above?
Guess I had you all wrong, you're not a leftist moonbat, you're a centrist?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I really don't know what you
May 10, 2007 - 09:02 ET by LeonI really don't know what you want me to say.
The 8 points above were created so that people on the far right could stereotype the left (whom they perceive as an enemy despite the fact they are all fellow Americans) in order to further validate and make them feel more comfortable in their beliefs.
It's a classic trick in war. De-humanize the enemy, then YOU can believe whatever YOU want.
All that tripe posted above is a joke and believing in those things does not make you a leftist, it makes you a moron.
You all really have to stop relying on baseless generalizations as the foundation of your attacks against the left. People are seriously tired of hearing it. Get some substance rooted in facts.
I'm marking this post for f
May 10, 2007 - 09:05 ET by MightyMouthI'm marking this post for future reference. (so you can't change it).
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Do whatever you want. It's
May 10, 2007 - 09:07 ET by LeonDo whatever you want. It's a free country and the NB search engine doesn't really work. By all means, write it down, take a picture. Make a Leon hair-doll. You go girlfriend.
Leon in Denial!
May 10, 2007 - 09:17 ET by atlasragingThese eight points were all given credence by their leftwing spokesmen and published or stated on the airwaves. No one on the left has criticized or denied these statements, either in print or on broadcast. These views were stated by your political associates and until they are denied by those on the left as the stupid extremism they represent then by your own logic you have approved them. You use that standard with Conservatives and Republican, I will will judge you by the same standard. But then we know that the leftwing hypocrites despise being held to a standard, but I find this strange when promote a perverted variant of Christianity, which espouses a standard.
Please provide the above poin
May 10, 2007 - 09:26 ET by LeonPlease provide the above points within the context of their 'leftwing spokesmen'
For each of the 8, show me at least one quote where a prominent left-wing politician supported those beliefs. Show me evidence otherwise you're just mixing Kool Aid.
A lack of criticism doesn't inherently mean adherence/belief in. What are you talking about? By your rationale, all politicians should always publicly denounce anything that is insane or wrong. This seems like a tremendous waste of time to me.
As for your Christianity comment, it seems that you really wedged that in there and I'm not really sure what you were getting at or what it has to do with anything.
Let's just cut to the chase
May 10, 2007 - 10:27 ET by TruthMongerLet's just cut to the chase with Leon here on this one...
He's trying to equate the radical left with the radical right...
We have mountains of evidence equating the radical left with the mainstream left...
Leon does not have mountains of evidence equating the radical right with the mainstream right...
Yet he will maintain this to the death anyway...
Next topic, then everyone...?
He does get repetitive and boring, doesn't he?
May 10, 2007 - 10:36 ET by RJHe does get repetitive and boring, doesn't he? A result being taught to push single-minded messages, I suppose....
Yeah I must be boring. That
May 10, 2007 - 10:44 ET by LeonYeah I must be boring. That's why you constantly attempt to debate with me.
I have to repeat the message over and over again b/c you can't understand simple logic. In your blind desperation to prove every minute detail of my every single post wrong, you fail to understand the basic arguments. (See our current conversation about your context challenge)
Trust me, I don't want to have to spoon feed you through repetition but it's the only way you seem to want to communicate.
It's your own inability to understand context that is challenged
May 10, 2007 - 11:08 ET by RJIt's your own inability to understand context that is challenged, leon. You proved it yesterday at "10AM in the morning", and you're repeatedly proving it again today.
I guess you think all of us are contextually challenged. It's the only answer to why you are consistently unable to respond coherently to the points made here.
I think you have a raging case of solipism, fella.
Could you please provide this
May 10, 2007 - 10:41 ET by LeonCould you please provide this mountain of evidence equating the radical left with the mainstream left? Shouldn't be too hard since there is so much.
YOU MUST BE KIDDING!!! ROFL
May 10, 2007 - 10:43 ET by MightyMouthYOU MUST BE KIDDING!!! ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Here it is, leon:http://newsb
May 10, 2007 - 11:45 ET by TruthMongerHere it is, leon:
http://newsbusters.org
Leon, the wacky extremists AR
May 10, 2007 - 08:42 ET by Dave RLeon, the wacky extremists ARE the mainstream of the Democrat Party, or have you not been paying attention?
This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.- Neal Boortz.
Yaaaaawn. Ok. Whatever yo
May 10, 2007 - 08:45 ET by LeonYaaaaawn. Ok. Whatever you say.
You boys are running on fumes. Your beliefs are no longer the mainstream. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll stop sounding vindictive and petty.
Say whatever you want because your words are hollow.
Leon,Your party is being run
May 10, 2007 - 08:53 ET by Dave RLeon,
Your party is being run by George Soros, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, three who are about as far out in left field as you can get. I'm talking Lenin territory here.
I bet you are one of the people who actually believes Hillary is a centrist, too.
This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.- Neal Boortz.
Oh please. I thought the le
May 10, 2007 - 08:56 ET by LeonOh please. I thought the leftists were the ones into conspiracies. Believe whatever propaganda you want.
The party is being run by the Democrats that were elected by the American people to run the party. They are in charge because the American people put them in charge.
But, whatever makes you feel better and more in control. Want me to close the closet door and leave the light on while you sleep?
Leon - do the math.
May 10, 2007 - 09:15 ET by JimboExcuse me, Nancy Pelosi is second in line for the Presidency because 150,000 people in one of the most liberal congressional districts voted her in. That hardly supports your claim that the “American people” wanted it. On the other hand, President Bush fit’s your description fairly well.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Those aren't Americans? Tha
May 10, 2007 - 09:22 ET by LeonThose aren't Americans? That's now how our political system is supposed to work? Sounds like you should be complaining to the founding fathers.
When that happens in a majority of districts, then it is the voice of the American People. This is the fundamental truth that our election system is founded on.
Come on Leon
May 10, 2007 - 09:34 ET by JimboSince you can’t edit your post where you made the comment, you are trying to have us believe you said something that you didn’t. This is undoubtedly the liberal way.
“They are in charge because the American People put them in charge”
This statement you made clearly implies that Nancy Pelosi being two steps from the White House is the will of the “American People”. What both you and she need to realize, is that there was not a broad based show of support across the country to put her there. She is a congresswoman who received 150,000 votes. In 2004, President Bush on the other hand, received 62,040,610 votes, or 50.7% of the votes, which you should understand is a majority. That is an example of the will of the “American People”.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
I didn't edit the post, you s
May 10, 2007 - 09:38 ET by LeonI didn't edit the post, you simply misread it. (If you don't believe me I'm pretty sure there's a way to see if a post has been edited, however, I don't know how to do it - perhaps ask a more knowledgable member of the NB community)
I didn't imply anything. I said what I said and I've defended what I said. Your inaccurate interpretation does not change my original intention.
Again, i didn't edit my post, so your entire argument is based on your misreading of the original post, thus making the rest of this conversation meaningless.
Leon - I'm laughing to myself
May 10, 2007 - 09:45 ET by JimboLeon, you are in a word, laughable. Read my post again. I never said you edited it. Talk about misinterpretation! And no, I am clear on what you meant initially, and what you tried to get me to belive after the fact.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Right. That is true. Oh b
May 10, 2007 - 09:49 ET by LeonRight. That is true. Oh boy is my face red. My apologies.
I still don't understand your post. The fact that Nancy Pelosi is the speaker is a direct result of the way the political system works. American people vote for their representatives, representatives vote for Speaker of the House. Thus, the will of the people is theoretically being exerted, or this is what our founding fathers thought when they established this system.
Again, you have a problem with the system and I'm not sure what to tell you. In theory, our electoral process has been established to as closely reflect the will of the American people as possible.
My problem is with you Leon
May 10, 2007 - 09:57 ET by JimboMy problem is not with the system, it is with you. Dont try to make us belive Nancy Pelosi is the "will of the Ameerican People", as if she has documented broad based support across the country. Simply 'aint true!
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
The will of the American Peop
May 10, 2007 - 10:02 ET by LeonThe will of the American People is what led to her current position. This is how our government works. Again, not sure what you want me to say.
The truth?Jimbo says - "
May 10, 2007 - 10:05 ET by JimboThe truth?
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
I already told you the truth.
May 10, 2007 - 10:07 ET by LeonI already told you the truth.
American people voted for a sweeping governmental change by putting the democrats into power in both houses. Those representatives elected to the House then voted for Pelosi as house speaker. This is how it is always done. Through their actions, the elected officials exerted the will of the people that put them there (notice there was no major outcry from those that voted Democrat when Pelosi was selected as speaker). Thus, her placement is the will of the American people.
That's the truth. the ONLY truth
Only a Liberal Leon
May 10, 2007 - 10:11 ET by JimboOnly a liberal is capable of contradicting themselves in the same post. And not even understand how so. Good comic value however.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
How did I contradict myself?
May 10, 2007 - 10:21 ET by LeonHow did I contradict myself?
Thanks Leon
May 10, 2007 - 10:28 ET by JimboThanks for proving my point in the previous post! Good stuff!!
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Let me ask you something then
May 10, 2007 - 10:44 ET by ArchConservativeLet me ask you something then Leon. Do you believe that Bush was elected twice or that there was manipulation? Do you believe that since the Republicans controlled the Congress and the Presidency that it was "too much power"? Did you feel that way when the Dems ruled all three? You can talk about how the people vote people in and that's the way democracy works anytime you like, but your party (the kooks and the mainstream) believe that Bush conspired to win the White House. Kanye West says "Bush hates black people" and noone on the Left says "Hmmmm maybe Kanye is wrong or a racist". So, when you say that the Left is not all looney, you only have yourselves to blame for not yelling from the roofs the next time someone says "Bush knew about 9/11".
"Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
- President George W Bush September 2001 speech to a joint session of Congress.
Bush was elected by the elect
May 10, 2007 - 10:48 ET by LeonBush was elected by the electoral college which is exactly how our voting system is intended to work, so even though I am not a Bush fan, I can not deny that he was elected to his position. And furthermore, his election was a reflection of the will of the American people.
So you think I should go out and yell from the roofs everytime someone says Bush knew abou 9/11? Why? Since when is it my duty to condemn extremists? I don't hear you running to condemn groups like God Hates Fags when they protest at funerals of our fallen troops even though they are from your side (extreme right).
Actually, we DO run to condem
May 10, 2007 - 11:27 ET by ArchConservativeActually, we DO run to condemn groups that hold placards and protest funerals. Conservatives are the first people to denounce that hate. It is the liberals that kept Imus on the air for so long, that have kept Rev Al on the air, that tunes into Tokyo Rosie, that whoops and hollers with delight at every "Dick" Cheney joke or "Bush is a Nazi" joke on the Daily Show and others. And to be mentioned as someone who is to the "extreme right" by someone like you, is a compliment. Maybe instead of posting here, you should go back to the HuffPo and tell them that Bush is a legitimate President and he should be respected as such. I guarantee that you will be treated as a vile, nasty conservative. That is the tolerance of your side. Not the tolerance of the Right. You may like to think that the kook-fringe doesn't rule your party but you would be wrong.
"Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
- President George W Bush September 2001 speech to a joint session of Congress.
Howabout nothing! PLEASE!Th
May 10, 2007 - 10:06 ET by MightyMouth"what you want me to say."
Howabout nothing! PLEASE!
The American people didn't put Pelosi where she is, a vote by the dimwits in the house did it. It could just as easily have been Murtha and the American people wouldn't have anything to do with that either.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
How'd those 'dimwits' get int
May 10, 2007 - 10:08 ET by LeonHow'd those 'dimwits' get into a position to vote for her?
Dosen't matter, no one went
May 10, 2007 - 10:11 ET by MightyMouthDosen't matter, no one went to the polls and pulled a lever that said: "Nancy Pelosi second in line to the President"
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Right and in pulling that lev
May 10, 2007 - 10:23 ET by LeonRight and in pulling that lever part of your decision is based upon a level of trust in your representative's future actions, such as voting for Speaker of the House, so by extension when you vote a rep you are voting for their choice for speaker of the house
You are correct, the democr
May 10, 2007 - 10:27 ET by MightyMouthYou are correct, the democrats lied to get in power (by the slimmest of margins) and made an equally bad decision on the speaker. Ref Jimbo post below for one example.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
That's exactly right, MM. The
May 10, 2007 - 10:49 ET by ArchConservativeThat's exactly right, MM. They pretended to be conservative when they had to be to get elected. They lied about not going after impeachment proceedings and about not cutting off funds for the troops. If the American people really wanted us to lose in Iraq, Liebermann would have gone down in flames. But he didn't. Even he sees what the Democrat Party has in store for us. Defeat in Iraq. Defeat in the Global War On Terror (which is a name now not used thanks to the Dems). And nothing but coddling and cooing and deference given to our enemies who have sworn to kill us.
"Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
- President George W Bush September 2001 speech to a joint session of Congress.
Ouch Leon!
May 10, 2007 - 10:12 ET by JimboBy promising not to cut funding to our troops and by offering an alternative plan for victory in Iraq. OUCH!!!
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
Crickets.Jimbo says - "T
May 10, 2007 - 10:51 ET by JimboCrickets.
Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"
I've been enjoying the exchan
May 11, 2007 - 15:27 ET by BeowulfI've been enjoying the exchange, but blaming the American people for selecting these people as the Democratic leadership is going too far.
The people did NOT "elect" Pelosi as the Speaker of the House - They elected her as a Congressional Representative.
The people did NOT "elect" Howard Den as the DNC Chairman - the DNC did.
The people did NOT "elect" Harry Reid as the Senate Majority Leader - the party did.
The people did NOT "elect" Charlie Rangel as the House Ways and Means Committee Chairman.
The people did NOT "elect" Patrick Leahy as the Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman.
The people did NOT "elect" John Conyers as the House Judiciary Committee Chairman.
While the American people, at least some of them, elected these people as their representatives, they did not put them into the positions of power in the congress which they currently hold. The Democratic party did so, allowing the party to be hijacked by far-leftists.
The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers
The Alleged "Mainstream"
May 10, 2007 - 09:13 ET by EllisWyattLet's examine the "mainstream" shall we?
1. President Bush knew about 9/11 in advance.
Who kept saying "What did Bush know and when did he know it?". Why, none other than Hillary Clinton! She's a mainstream Democrat.
2. President Bush blew up the levee's in New Orleans.
3. President Bush caused hurricane Katrina.
The mainstream left may not have made those statements, but they were more than happy to keep blaming the poor response ENTIRELY on Bush despite the fact that two out of the three officials with the primary responsibility for responding were Democrats.
4. The Israeli's knew about 9/11 and evacuated "their" people.
Maybe the mainstream didn't say this, but they haven't made much of an effort to speak out against it. And do I need to bring up how often the mainstream left blames Israel for everything that is going wrong with the Palestinians?
5. John Kerry has a "secret" plan for victory in Iraq but refuses to disclose it.
I keep hearing Democrats say we need to change the course in Iraq, but have yet to hear any SPECIFIC plan to deal with the situation. You say "Stay the course is not a strategy?" (I'm quoting a bumper sticker I see a lot in my area.) Well neither is "Let's just pull out and let them fend for themselves!
6. The WTC was brought down by controlled explosions.
Once again, maybe the mainstream didn't say this, but they haven't made much of an effort to speak out against it.
7. Iraq was not a threat before 2002.
8. Osama bin Ladin was not a threat before 9/11.
Was this not John Kerrey specific point during the 2004 election? Didn't "mainstream" Bill Clinton refuse to take any action against Afghanistan in spite of all the disturbing news coming out of there?
If you're not outraged at the media, you haven't been paying attention.
You are lying again!!
May 11, 2007 - 07:55 ET by fiskhus_jimPresident may not have known about 9/11 in adcance - but sionce then he has used it to make himnself and his friends rich at the taxpayer's expense and he has not made this country safer. (Just look at the article on Tenet here at newsbusters.)
President Bush couldn't have cared less about New Orleans - he didn;t blow up the levees but t]now that they are gone he is extremely pleased with himself.
Bush didn;t cause Katrina - perhaps God did to express his displeasure with Bush's wanton killing, theft and destruction.
Israel is a big part of all the problems we face today - no further comment.
Kerry has no secret plan for Iraq - just as Bush has no public plan for Iraw. Bush's plan is the secret one, because it involves violations of law and morality.
The WTC was brought down by explosion, and the US government provided the means for the hijackers to do it, even if it was a mistake. (Cheney is always big on calling treason a mistake)
Iraw was indeed a threat before 2002 - because the GOP gave him everything he needed to be a threat. Of course, at the same time, the GOP was also illegally selling weapons to Iran through Israel - so the Bush family supplied both sides of that conflict and profited from it.
Osama Bun Laden was a threat before 9/11 - because the GOP gave him Billion$ in cash and weapons.
fiskhus, you are a racist, as well as being nuts.
May 11, 2007 - 16:06 ET by Dave Rfiskhus (festus?),
.....but t]now that they are gone he is extremely pleased with himself.
I don't suppose you would care to produce any evidence to support this mindless statement, would you?
.....perhaps God did to express his displeasure with Bush's wanton killing, theft and destruction.
Wanton? I think not. If he were interested in wanton killing and destruction, he would have ordered our SSBN's to begin launching indiscriminately against Muslim targets all over the world. He didn't do that. What he is doing is fullfilling his constitutional requirement to defend this country.
Israel is a big part of all the problems we face today.....
Now we are getting somewhere. You have just revealed yourself to be an anti-semite. In my book, that makes you a racist. Perhaps you would care to elaborate on exactly what problems they are causing for us. Maybe you could explain to us why many liberals like you hate the Jewish race.
Is it because they are, as a group, fairly successful? Is it because they brought God to a godless world? (That's the main thing I have always suspected as being the cause of hatred toward them.) Is it because Muslims (who are the ones employing wanton killing and destruction, by the way) hate Jews?
What?
The WTC was brought down by explosion, and the US government provided the means for the hijackers to do it, even if it was a mistake.
Actually, the explosions were caused when the fuel in the airliners exploded at impact. Jet fuel is quite volatile, after all. The airliners were not owned by the government, but by private corporations, so your contention that the government provided the means is utter nonsense.
Iraw was indeed a threat before 2002 - because the GOP gave him
everything he needed to be a threat. Of course, at the same time, the
GOP was also illegally selling weapons to Iran through Israel - so the
Bush family supplied both sides of that conflict and profited from it.
Evidence, please?
Osama Bun Laden was a threat before 9/11 - because the GOP gave him Billion$ in cash and weapons.
Here again, do you have any evidence to support this fantastic assertion?
You are a real piece of work there, fiskhus. You are also insane.
This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.-
Neal Boortz.
Using "fisk" for a screen name is incredibly dumb
May 11, 2007 - 16:22 ET by RJWell, Dave, you have well and truly fisked this lout. How stupid do you have to be to choose that particular screen name?
"You treasonous pseudo-Christ
May 10, 2007 - 08:37 ET by old cro"You treasonous pseudo-Christians seem to think that you have been relieved of the responsibility to act as moral creations of God - but you haven't and you are destroying this country with your lies and ignorance."
fiskhus_jim
Hey fisky, I hope I am the first to respond to your mad rantings cause, I'm not a fast typer, so I may not be. Let's talk about your statement above for starters - first, you are classifying me and other posters here as "treasonous"? You got to be joking! Perhaps you are just projecting your own "feelings" about posting on this site. What are "pseudo-Christians" and what do you mean by that. Democrats have no "morality" to be releaved of it, this quote also has my head circling! We of course are destroying the country, but watch it go down the drain much faster, when, I hope never, liberal twerps such as you and your ilk ever have complete power. Please stick around and respond to your inane comments. This will be fun.
"My movies were the kind they show in prisons and on aeroplanes, because no-one can leave."
Burt Reynolds
Pseudo Christians are all the
May 11, 2007 - 07:57 ET by fiskhus_jimPseudo Christians are all the fake fundamentalists and evangimental cases who ignore the teachings of Jesus (Love, socialism and political resistance to illegitimate imperial authority) and worship the Satanic Gospel of Prosperity.
Like all of you fakers here.
I believe my Leftarded comrad
May 11, 2007 - 08:01 ET by Roger the ShrubberI believe my Leftarded comrades, Frankie and Leon, should be reading these ramblings, and then and get back to me on their poorly-crafted "all Christian nutjobs are right-wing extremists" theory.
Hugs!
That load of self-righteous B
May 10, 2007 - 08:37 ET by Dave RThat load of self-righteous BS coming from someone who belie