It had to happen sooner or later. A natural disaster was destined to hit a town in another state led by a Democrat governor who was willing to feed the waiting media activists with a swipe against President Bush and the War in Iraq. Such a tragedy happened over the weekend when a category five tornado hit Greensburg, Kansas and Gov. Kathleen Sebelius immediately blamed the war in Iraq for a lack of response by depleted National Guard units. The situation was so politically opportunistic that even Presidential candidate Barack Obama stated while on a campaign stop that 10,000 residents had been killed in the devastation.
Fortunately neither of those contrived claims were true. The death count is up to 12 and the guard did respond as expected. This led both politicians to retract their statements but it didn't stop the New York Times from running with a pre-packaged screed about how this tornado has renewed debate about the use of National Guard Troops in war.
CHICAGO, May 8 — For months, Gov. Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas and other governors have warned that their state National Guards are ill-prepared for the next local disaster, be it a tornado a flash flood or a terrorist’s threat, because of large deployments of their soldiers and equipment in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Then, last Friday night, a deadly tornado all but cleared the small town of Greensburg off the Kansas map. With 80 square blocks of the small farming town destroyed, Ms. Sebelius said her fears had come true: The emergency response was too slow, she said, and there was only one reason.
“As you travel around Greensburg, you’ll see that city and county trucks have been destroyed,” Ms. Sebelius, a Democrat, said Monday. “The National Guard is one of our first responders. They don’t have the equipment they need to come in, and it just makes it that much slower.”
For nearly two days after the storm, there was an unmistakable emptiness in Greensburg, a lack of heavy machinery and an army of responders. By Sunday afternoon, more than a day and a half after the tornado, only about half of the Guard troops who would ultimately respond were in place.
It was not until Sunday night that significant numbers of military vehicles started to arrive, many streaming in a long caravan from Wichita about 100 miles away. - NY Times, Kansas Tornado Renews Debate on Guard at War
Of course this was the initial story. As the political storm brewed stories changed and assessments were redefined. The Kansas City Star reported that politicians on both sides had backed down, praising each other for their efforts.
Later, the governor and the White House tried to defuse the situation. Corcoran said Sebelius had praised the White House’s immediate response and told administration officials that Kansas had what it needed “right now, today.”
“The administration is definitely reaching out,” Corcoran said. “They are paying attention to what’s going on in Greensburg, Kansas. The governor greatly appreciates that. There is no dispute.”
And by his midday briefing, Snow had softened his tone. He accused reporters of “trying to pick a fight.”
Fox News expanded on the comments by Tony Snow.
Snow said that FEMA began moving in resources quickly into the region before federal disaster paperwork was solidified. "This is a success story in the sense that people were moving very quickly to get assets there," Snow said.
He also said that White House Homeland Security Advisor Fran Townsend on Tuesday spoke with Sebelius, who seemed satisfied with the amount of help she was getting, even after repeated questions.
"And Fran again said, 'Is there anything you need to respond effectively to this disaster?' The governor responded, 'No, we could not have asked for a faster response. [FEMA Administrator] Dave Paulison was terrific yesterday.' ... The governor said, 'We've got to get power and water running. I've got what I need. I've got your number. I won't be shy. We'll call if I need anything,' " Snow said, explaining he was not on the phone call but was repeating notes he'd seen.
Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback, a Republican White House hopeful and Iraq war supporter, also strongly defended the Guard force levels in the state, saying local officials have told him the forces are capable of responding to natural disasters at their current equipment and staffing levels.
"That's what really got me, is her saying that," Brownback said of Sebelius. "Everybody there said no, we have the equipment we needed."
Which is exactly right. Media activists are quick to employ opportunistic precedent with unfounded claims in an effort to contort a disaster into fitting their cause and the Kansas tornado follow up is the latest such example. Had the New York Times even bothered to check the facts they would have known that there was more than enough support available to handle this 80 block area. They would have also found out that Kansas has 88% of its guard forces available to help combined with an extra 83,000 guardsmen at their disposal from neighboring states according to sources cited in the Fox news report.
But the New York Times wouldn't have even had to wait for other more reputable news agencies such as Fox news to gather and report on these statistics. They could have looked up a Kiowa county web site to get detailed information about the recovery operations as early as April 6th which is 2 days prior to the canned NY Times report. The report details rescue operations from all available resources that paints a stark contradiction to the NY Times portrayal of "an unmistakable emptiness in Greensburg".
Sun May 06, 2007, 04:49 PM CDT
GREENSBURG, KS -
State and local agencies and volunteer organizations continue to respond to the devastation in Greensburg, caused by a tornado that struck the community Friday.
Governor Kathleen Sebelius declared a State of Disaster Emergency for Kiowa County.
[snip]
The American Red Cross has established two shelters in Haviland. Approximately 300 people were sheltered during the night. Red Cross officials are advising people concerned about the safety of friends and family to go American Red Cross website (www.redcross.org) and click on the ?Safe and Well? link to enter information about the person being sought.
The Salvation Army is establishing a donations center, a social services center and a distribution center in Haviland. They are requesting donations of cash only at this time.
The Salvation Army has also established three canteens in Greensburg to feed storm victims and rescue workers.
The Kansas Division of Emergency Management is coordinating response and recovery operations. Soldiers and airmen from the Kansas National Guard are assisting with security, communications and shelter missions.
The Guardsmen are from the 1st Battalion, 161st Field Artillery, 891st Engineer Battalion and 184th Air Refueling Wing. The 134th Air Control Squadron is supplying two 120 kW generators to assist in search and rescue operations and 1,500 gallons of water.
Eighteen light sets from the 184th ARW have also been sent to Greensburg to provide light for response and recovery operations. The Pratt Kansas National Guard armory has been opened as a staging area for logistic support.
The Kansas Highway Patrol is also assisting with reestablishing communications and public safety issues.
The Kansas Department of Transportation has provided roadblocks and signage to keep out authorized persons from entering the area. KDOT is also involved in clearing debris from highways to so rescue vehicles can get into the affected areas. The State Fire Marshal is checking into any reported hazardous materials.
Wichita Search and Rescue has dispatched several teams to assist with search and rescue operations and Sedgwick County Public Health Emergency Team has been sent to the area with staff, consumable supplies and durable equipment, including two generators.
Kansas Insurance Commissioner Sandy Praeger has contacted all major property insurance companies in Kansas. Claims agents will be making damage assessments as soon as it is deemed safe to return to the area, probably Monday.
Power outages have been reported throughout Kiowa and surrounding counties. Cell phones and land line communications were also severely impacted. The Kansas National Guard mobile incident command vehicle is on site, as well as the Kansas Department of Transportation communications-on-wheels vehicle and the Kansas Highway Patrol sent its command and communications vehicle to assist in restoration of communication systems.
911 communications have been restored by the KDOT vehicle.
Sedgwick County sent a search and rescue crew to the city to assist in evacuation efforts at the local hospital, which was damaged by the tornado. Approximately 30 people were rescued from the hospital with minor injuries.
Emergency crews from surrounding counties are also assisting with medical response. Two quadrants have been searched and two are still being searched.
The City of Hutchinson sent four police officers, two patrol cars and three pick-up trucks with portable generators to Greensburg.
The Civil Air Patrol conducted several air reconnaissance flights to survey damages in coordination with flights by the Kansas Highway Patrol.
There is no doubt in my mind that the devastation was horrendous. But that doesn't absolve the news reporters in the mainstream media from their obligation to report the news instead of making it up. This is a ridiculous example of the New York Times displaying their lack of journalistic standards by trying to create news in the hopes that activists will suddenly sprout out of the woodwork and boost their flagging circulation. Perhaps they'd be better off by doing their own rescue operation and gutting the paper from activists who appear to know little about journalism and much about disaster baiting.
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Comments Policy
The Governors dumb*ss remarks
May 9, 2007 - 18:09 ET by Clear thinkerThe Governors dumb*ss remarks were not surprising to me, it seems like all Dems have got the derangement syndrome.
I'm now waiting for someone to blame Bush for the fires in Georgia and California!
I broke my big toe a week ago, should I blame Bush for that too?
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
CT,Did you break your big to
May 9, 2007 - 18:16 ET by Chris NormanCT,
Did you break your big toe, tripping on a buckled sidewalk, unrepaired because the Bush Administration didn't fund the National Sidewalk Repair Program? If so, then, "Yes". Did the sidewalk buckle because of the intense heat due to Bush-caused Global Warming? If so, then "Yes". Alternately, did you slip in a deep drift of snow, also caused by Global Warming which the Bush Administration refuses to fix? If so, then "Yes"...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
So it is his fault. Any good
May 9, 2007 - 18:21 ET by Clear thinkerSo it is his fault. Any good lawyers here, I wanna sue!
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
CT,I think it's something lik
May 9, 2007 - 18:31 ET by Chris NormanCT,
I think it's something like the six degrees of separation between anything bad and the Bush Administration and Republicans in general. Though, I suspect, it's more like two or three degrees, at most, in Liberals' minds (or lack thereof).
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Clear,You forgot the fires in
May 9, 2007 - 18:25 ET by BlondeClear,
You forgot the fires in Florida. But that is obviously JEB Bush's fault, not George's. BDS writ small, as it were.
Seriously, though....it is nasty here today. West wind, hot as hades, and smokey. I never thought I'd say this, but it might be a great thing for that tropical storm to make landfall in North Florida/South Georgia. Put out the fires.
Blonde,Nice weather here in B
May 9, 2007 - 19:14 ET by Chris NormanBlonde,
Nice weather here in Boss Richardson territory, New Mexico. It's been raining a lot (for here). Everything is nice and green. Low humidity (when it's not raining) and seldom is heard a discouraging word...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Chris,Glad you're enjoying yo
May 9, 2007 - 19:21 ET by BlondeChris,
Glad you're enjoying your new environs.
Now you can truly laugh at me as I go through hurricane season gyrations. We already did the "sim" at work....got wiped out by a CAT4 with a follow on one three days behind. Oops, I forgot, I got killed.
We're hoping for rain, already on Phase II water restrictions, they're talking about implementing Phase III....salt water incursion, etc., etc. Riiiiight...it's Global Warming, I keep forgetting.
Fellow Floridian, eh? Yes, th
May 9, 2007 - 19:20 ET by zfFellow Floridian, eh? Yes, that smoke today was crazy and I can still smell it. Why must Mother Nature pollute the enviroment by allowing fires to exist? I wanna know! <g>
zf,Floridian all the way...my
May 9, 2007 - 19:26 ET by Blondezf,
Floridian all the way...my favorite appliance? Air conditioning.
Particularly on days like today.
I think they closed Alligator Alley again.
P.S. It's Al Gore's fault.
Hey Blonde, it was the first
May 9, 2007 - 20:07 ET by MrShyHey Blonde, it was the first hot/quasi-muggy day here in NYC, too.... that damn Bush!! And now on to business... has anyone seen the latest CNN front/homepage blurb, under they're featured headline about the Kansas tornado:
Standing in a muddy lot, President Bush today tried to bring comfort to the residents of tornado-ravaged Greensburg, Kansas. "My mission today is to lift people's spirits as best as I possibly can," Bush said. "I bring the prayers and concerns of the people of this country to this town." The town of 1,600 will rely heavily on FEMA aid, whose officials vowed not to repeat the mistakes of Hurricane Katrina.
YUP, they snuck in ole' FEMA and that general sentiment from Kansas' "officials" about their Katrina-2 fears... got it all in the first paragraph for the homepage. Unreal...
Hey yourself, Shy Guy,I don't
May 9, 2007 - 20:18 ET by BlondeHey yourself, Shy Guy,
I don't know how President Bush puts up with the continual bashing. He's at his very best when he's just being himself, offering people a bit of himself and providing optomism and encouragement.
And the filthy media just continue to harrass and harangue him at every opportunity.
He attended a minor college graduation in Miami a week or two ago. One of my colleague's daughters graduated that day. It was the high point of her college career to have Bush there. I hope the President gets it back in spades...all the good vibes he gives out to people in both situations....tragedy and celebration. I'd imagine it's the only reward of the difficult job he does, and the stupidity he has to put up with from the media on a daily basis.
Finally, enjoy the heat! I do.
Hey Blonde - its still gr
May 9, 2007 - 19:51 ET by florida_chadHey Blonde - its still great to be a GATOR. The tropical storms and
hurricanes are natures way of correcting the imbalance. Here in north central florida we are down
about 14 inches of rain for the last 12 months. We need some storms and
hurricanes to replenish the lakes, ponds and aquifer.
its Urban renewal time!
Second that one, Chad.I had t
May 9, 2007 - 19:56 ET by BlondeSecond that one, Chad.
I had to board a shuttle bus this weekend that was painted Orange & Green. My friends had to drag me aboard moaning and groaning (it was that or walk). I'd have preferred a Garnet & Gold paint job.
Funniest thing.....the driver pulled up to the END of the line to board the passengers. And then a second shuttle did the exact same thing. What can one say? University of Miami, after all. :D
GO GATORS!
Can't put Gov stuck-on-stupid story to bed without the finale
May 9, 2007 - 18:41 ET by RJWell, we can't put the story to bed without the grand finale. It seems Governor stuck-on-stupid is backtracking as fast as she can..... ;^>
"Snow recounted a phone conversation on Tuesday between Sebelius and Bush's White House-based homeland security adviser, Fran Townsend, in which the governor said she was pleased with the federal performance on the tornado and had everything she needed.
"Her spokeswoman, Nicole Corcoran, said the governor didn't mean to imply that the state was ill-equipped to deal with this storm. Sebelius' comments about National Guard equipment were, instead, meant as a warning about the state's inability to handle additional disasters, such as another tornado or severe flooding, she said.
"We are doing absolutely fine right now," Corcoran said. "What the governor is talking about is down the road."
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070509/D8P0H7DG0.html
"What the governor is ta
May 9, 2007 - 18:47 ET by QueenMum"What the governor is talking about is down the road." ???
Talk about the politics of fear. I'd think that a Category 5 tornado would be a good enough "test" of emergency preparedness.
What a maroon!
QueenMum - hi there. Kansas is no Louisana.
May 9, 2007 - 18:53 ET by acaiguanaQueenMum - hi there. Kansas is no Louisana.
That's about enough said. The Governor is one of those Democrats that Kansas elects every blue moon just to keep them entertained.
I can guarantee that Greensburg did not vote Democrat in that election.
Now this is funny. Obama and 10K dead? Has he ever been to that part of Kansas? Getting 10K people together close enough to die from a tornado (class 5? I remember all of them were pretty nasty - first time I ever heard of a 'class'); well getting that many people together for that event would take some work.
But the Kansas people pretty much get off their duffs and fix their own problems.
You won't hear much whining from them.
ACA
...
Quoted from: 'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)
aca: You're right. Probably n
May 9, 2007 - 19:05 ET by QueenMumaca: You're right. Probably not enough black folks in town to make any serious sort of political hay.
Really, now the 10K Quote was
May 9, 2007 - 23:03 ET by MobiusStripReally, now the 10K Quote was nothing but a misstatement due to fatigue. It is not pathological and wouldn't even make a decent T-shirt. If that is all you have re. Obama, there's a lot more humorous stuff from Bush that you can check out- enough to cover an entire wardrobe. Get real, not petty.
Mobi the psicic. Nuke em ti
May 9, 2007 - 23:19 ET by Dan The Man 2Mobi the psicic.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
10K Dead?
May 9, 2007 - 23:49 ET by Kansas FlyerPerhaps the comment was a fatigue-induced statement, but had it come from Bush, it would have been a lead MSM story for weeks (and a sure WPITW nomination from Olberpuke).
Resident Troll alert. Apparen
May 10, 2007 - 06:52 ET by ahusserResident Troll alert. Apparently he doesn't have a staff to check on the accuracy of his facts.
Barack has been campaigning f
May 10, 2007 - 10:53 ET by Roger the ShrubberBarack has been campaigning for what, 3-4 months? Does this mean he'll have a stroke by the time the actual campaign season begins in 7-8 months? He's already beginning to buckle? The Clintonistas have GOT to be loving this. Obama is looking rather pedestrian, and not presidential material.
Hmmm. A Democratic state Exec
May 9, 2007 - 22:50 ET by MobiusStripHmmm. A Democratic state Executive saying she is happy with the help they have been given and needed to deal with a catastrophe. And by a Republican administration. Most excellent.
Smells like teen spirit to me. And for all the nasty remarks about Sebelius on this site, maybe you that dished it out should take it back. Looks like things worked out after all. Good for everyone, but don't forget that what the Governor was saying is that we are all stretched thin here. That was a reasonable warning- not political speech. I like the way this worked out.
Still waiting, Mobi,How many
May 9, 2007 - 22:58 ET by BlondeStill waiting, Mobi,
How many NG assets should have been deployed to help the town of 1,574 residents?
The crickets are still chirping, since Monday, in case you haven't noticed.
Nice back-pedal, Mobi.
Let's see, if I remember corr
May 9, 2007 - 23:14 ET by MobiusStripLet's see, if I remember correctly, I wrote that that the equipment assets in Kansas were depleted, as Sebelius stated. Your reply (or another's, I think it was yours) numbered personnel in the Kansas NG assigned abroad. My point, as was the Governor's and the NG Adjutant, is that the non-personnel physical assets were not at planned, desired or needed levels. The heavy equipment- not the troops. The equipment went to Iraq.
So here is a needed debate. Living in a mountain community with the threat of fire high, how much do we deplete our response capabilities that have relied on, first, local responders, and then the NG? Being in a situation where our NG and their equipment is dedicated elsewhere, isn't this just asking for trouble? God help us if this will be the case, but I can envision scenarios here out west where many thousands are needed immediately. And we don't have enough for those contingencies. They are elsewhere.
Mobi,There's a wonderful tool
May 9, 2007 - 23:32 ET by BlondeMobi,
There's a wonderful tool here called a search engine. So you can go back and look up the things you've stated.
Again, for the fifth, or sixth time, I will ask you....
What assets of the National Guard were required for the disaster in which a town of 1,574 residents was flattened? You know, those assets which the evil George Bush so arrogantly deployed.
After agreement that the NG is not a component of first responders. Even though your cribbage friend flew out of Denver for Hurricane Andrew.
So, I'll pose the question for maybe the seventh time....exactly what assets of the National Guard were not available for response to this disaster? Because of the deployment of a portion of the Kansas National Guard (note the National???) to Iraq.
If you want to really try to devolve or deflect, I'm sure I can find our original conversation for you, and post it yet again for all to see.
Blondie, my friend was FEMA,
May 9, 2007 - 23:54 ET by MobiusStripBlondie, my friend was FEMA, not NG. Before FEMA was sucked into the miasma Chertoff runs. Again, I will try to make the obvious point to you that we are stretching our domestic catastrophy response assets thinner and thinner. The NG does not have a mission to occupy foreign lands. Yes, I wrote occupy. Find that in their charter and I will buy you a beer. As far as NG equipment availability in Kansas goes, you can easily find the stats with a search engine. You're a clever girl.
Mobi,Not only are you non-res
May 9, 2007 - 23:58 ET by BlondeMobi,
Not only are you non-responsive, you are reading impaired.
I said your "cribbage" friend. Not your NG friend.
I don't care about your points.
I want you to answer my freaking question, which I've asked you seven times, clearly.
And once again, it's up to you to respond, not for me to prove the negative.
You are trolling, yet again.
Finally, only by friends may address me by "Blondie". And you certainly don't number amongst my friends.
Blonde, he won't answer, be
May 10, 2007 - 05:47 ET by motherbeltBlonde, he won't answer, because he has no answer.
Although the National Guard has always helped out in times of need, its main purpose is not as a first responder to natural disasters. Contrary to what Mobi says, they are not supposed to be our "domestic catastrophe response assets." If they were catastrophe respnders, it was only in the sense of policing. In the old days, they would only be called in to quell civil unrest in those disasters: to keep order as food and water were distributed, prevent looting, etc. Now they are expected to be the first to go in to start fixing things up. I don't know when the National Guard became a synonym for the Red Cross.
Mobius
May 10, 2007 - 13:14 ET by Gary HallMobius, just to set the record straight, in case you were not listening a few years ago - FEMA ending up under a super duper DOHS was not a part of the Bush agenda. He opposed it. Perhaps FEMA would have done better had President Bush stood his ground - kept up the fight to not create the Department of Homeland Security. He fought for almost a year opposing it, but finally gave into the Democrats, a few R's, the 9/11 Commission and the media's demands. When FEMA got rolled under DOHS's arm - just as Bush had warned, we got stuck with more confusion and red tape and bureaucracy
Retraction? If a lie falls in the forest but ----.
May 10, 2007 - 10:15 ET by w0tmTrue. She did say that. Fully knowing it would receive almost no coverage. But she now has it for "political cover" should she ever need it. Doubt me? Google News search her initial statement and then this one. About 2,000 to three. Only political junkies (I guess we all are on this blog) and the few conservative media outlets printed her political cover remark. 99.9% of the world only read or heard her first comment and that's what counts. You should like "the way this worked out". She did the damage she and the DNC were after but still covered herself.
Fun and Games
May 9, 2007 - 18:43 ET by allanfFor what its worth, when all the fun and games were over, Louisiana Governor Blanco was not able to run for re-election. One can only hope Governor Sebelius meets a similiar fate.
I think I read that she's term-limited
May 9, 2007 - 18:44 ET by RJI think I read that she's term-limited
First Term
May 9, 2007 - 20:03 ET by allanfBlanco was in her first term. But her popluarity dropped like a rock. Hopefully voters will be as angry Sebelius as they are at Blanco. Citizens deserve a governor who delivers more than complaints.
Blanco was far out front of Nagin in whining about Bush. Nagin comes from a town not famous for producing competent leaders. There really was not much of a choice for voters.
I guess I wasn't clear
May 9, 2007 - 20:15 ET by RJI guess I wasn't clear, allanf. It was Sebelius who I think is term-limited. Let's hear it again for term limits! All the damn politicos should be term limited.
Sebelius
May 10, 2007 - 00:05 ET by Kansas FlyerRJ, she is term limited, but she just started her second term. Word has it here that she may seek a Senate seat. I don't think she could challenge Roberts, but perhaps Brownback, who has performed less impressively at the polls than Roberts.
Sebelius was the Insurance Commisioner (yes, that's an elected office in Kansas) before she became governor. When she initially ran, the speculation was that her opponent would be Carla Stovall, then a popular state Attorney General, but Carla did not seek the position and the Repubs could not run a credible candidate against her in either of her two elections. She did not run as a liberal needless to say!
Thanks, KF
May 10, 2007 - 11:40 ET by RJThanks for the update, KF. ACA, who is also from Kansas, said she's a twit....and she certainly comes across that way.
For what it's worth, Ray Nagi
May 9, 2007 - 18:53 ET byFor what it's worth, Ray Nagin got re-elected. Coincidently this happened on the very same day that I lost any interest in further aid to New Orleans.
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
As a longtime New Orleans fan
May 9, 2007 - 19:39 ET by Del DolemonteAs a longtime New Orleans fan, but also a student of the crooked politics there, I agree that all of the aid money they get should be examined with a fine tooth comb.
Schoolbus Ray was definitely incompetent, but as I see it, his re-election was definitely preferable to the alternative, which was Mitch Landrieu. That would have sealed the Pelican State's fate forever and ever
Ray has definitely put his foot in his mouth a few times, but so has everybody else.
How does a city allow itself
May 9, 2007 - 20:00 ET byHow does a city allow itself the choice of
Bozo the Clown
or
Homie D Clown
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
You forgot local New Orleans
May 9, 2007 - 20:29 ET by Del DolemonteYou forgot local New Orleans musical legends Huey "Piano" Smith and The Clowns.
P.S.
May 9, 2007 - 19:08 ET by QueenMumCan someone explain the relationship of the glass of water in the photo to the subject at hand? Thanks.
My guess is that the town of
May 9, 2007 - 19:34 ET by Del DolemonteMy guess is that the town of Greensberg is the home of the world's largest dug well.
Half full ?half empty ???
May 9, 2007 - 19:42 ET by nixonHalf full ?half empty ???
So many errors in the reporti
May 9, 2007 - 19:32 ET by Del DolemonteSo many errors in the reporting of this it boggles the imagination. But the same thing happened after Katrina, when it came out that in fact the Dems who ran the city of New Orleans and the State of Louisiana asked the DNC to enable their allies in the media to make it all Bush's fault. "Mission Accomplished", even though the city, parish and state are always the first responders. Mee-ma Blanco defintely didn't pull it off, but School-Bus Nagin did.
As for Kansas, I've been there so have a few questions. Said town had a population of just over 1,500 people. How could 10,000 of them be killed?
The story also says that Greensburg is a "small town" but never mentions its population. How can such a "small town" of 1500 people have 80 square blocks? The majority of the towns I visited in Kansas had maybe 5 or 10 square blocks if that. Were they all mobile homes?
New Orleans
May 9, 2007 - 19:55 ET by doug1950You didn't really hear too much whining from the folks in Mississippi and they were actually in the worst part of the storm. My sister in law lives in Long Beach, MS and it is gone, like so much of the Gulf Coast that got the direct hit.
The problem with Ray Nagin is if you listen to him for too long you can actually feel yourself getting stupider by the second. Like a Sucubus or an Ignorance Black Hole that sucks any intelligent thought out of the room. Just when you think he can't say anything more stupid or asinine he floors you with another whole new level of stupidity.
As I said elsewhere on this t
May 9, 2007 - 20:27 ET by Del DolemonteAs I said elsewhere on this thread, I'm no Nagin fan but the alternative was Mitch Landrieu. Do you really want two siblings basically running the entire state?
City Blocks in Greensburg
May 10, 2007 - 00:13 ET by Kansas FlyerI take 80 square blocks to mean streets laid out in a 8 X 10 grid. Looking at the pics it appears that each block averages 4 to 6 dwellings per block (not a very large block), plus you have account for the schools and other non residential buildings.
and over at CBS
May 9, 2007 - 21:01 ET by Gary HallAnd over at CBS a few minutes ago in the Midwest flooding, we've got reporters out responding to a residents who complained that following the historic 1993 flooding, the federal government did nothing to improve or to rebuild levees to protect them next time. Mmm. Oh, I see. Bill Clinton was president for the next 7 1/2 years. Just like in New Orleans, even when we started having a little extra money to spend (surplus) Bill Clinton did not protect them. He left it all to Bush. Kinda like, fighting terrorism, al Qaeda, energy independence, and trying to free Afghanistan and Iraq.
How convenient
May 10, 2007 - 07:04 ET by nkviking75I don't suppose anyone mentioned the money that was spent on encouraging people to move out of the flood plain. In a few cases, entire towns were relocated. I don't have time now to research how that was paid for, but I'd be willing to bet a few federal dollars were involved.
There's a limit to what even the best levees can do. When they hold, they force flood waters further downstream where others have to deal with them. People who insist on living in flood plains have to take their chances. Of course, one could say the same thing about tornado alley residents who live in trailers or the big buildup along the shores of hurricane country. There's nowhere to be perfectly safe.
The amazing people of Grand Forks, ND, have recovered quite nicely from a devastating flood 10 years ago. Remember the photos of an entire downtown on fire while surrounded by flood waters? There's an example to follow.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
nkvinking.. tweaking the facts?
May 10, 2007 - 09:59 ET by Gary Hall"money spent to encourage folks to move out of a floodplain?" Oh, I could see that just now -- Pres. Bush spending money to encourage folks to abandon New Orleans -- but gee, I thought that's why they blew up the levees in the first place - because they hate blacks. That plays right into Spike Lees' (or ACORN's) play book. Open up your National Geographic and look at the pictures at 3:00 AM of the grannies, children and old men filling sand bags - not a National Guardsman in sight - during that 1993 catastrophie - and yep, Bill Clinton did show up some time later - weeks later.
And for the records - I now the levee debate well. Where, why, when, when not, enviormental concerns, CORPS main responsibility (usually more responisble for river flood protection than from "local / city canals."
Homestead, FL - happenned under Bush #1's last year. Still took 5 years to get rebuilt - with no levees to repair or fight about - just rebuilding a city.
After the 1965 Hurricane Betsy with completely flooded the lower 9th Ward in New Orleans - the population of the Big Easy fell - and continued falling each year. By the time Katrina hit, some 233,000 residents had fled New Orleans - over 40 years time. Of course, I hear that another 200,000 are displaced presently - many will not come back, as before.
In 1999, Hurricane Floyd swamped Clinton's FEMA. I quote one excerpt:
Personally, I bet that a fair analysis would show that FEMA did no worse than usual, following katrina, only Katrina was such a more difficult disaster. One, we had the Sate of LA ordering the Red Cross (FEMA's) historical first line of aid, not to enter the city of New Orleans - remember those folks at the Superdome - Red Cross had the water.
Perhaps FEMA would have done better had President Bush stood his ground - kept up the fight to not create the Department of Homeland Security. He fought for almost a year opposing it, but finally gave into the Democrats, a few R's, the 9/11 Commission and the media's demands. When FEMA got rolled under DOHS's arm - jsut as Bush had warned, we got stuck with more confusion and red tape and bureaucracy.
Now, I'm not defending Bush, nor Clinton for the lousy job he did - but I grant you, Clinton would have talked the talk, and folks and the media would have blamed someone else for Katrina.
In this case, the federal government has allocated $117 billion, to date, to help people stay in New Orleans. While there is honest debate about the logic behind that, it is exactly what the public demanded. It includes grants (tax free grants - adminstered thru Road Home) for homowners to rebuild. An average of some $85,000 per home, for 200,000 homeowners to rebuild has been funded. It covers uninsured losses. It is not a loan. It is by far the biggest handout to civilians for a crisis in our history. The problem here is the media - and the want to hate a president and to blame him for all.
I live in Kansas, I hope she leaves.
May 9, 2007 - 21:14 ET by Tidy Bowl ManWhat our Govenor has done is take a horrible tragedy and make it a political statement. As a Kansan born and bred, we dont wait for handouts when one of our neighbors is in trouble, we come together and get things done as a community. What Kathleen did was despicable. Now she's had her 2 seconds of fame I hope it was worth it. Most local radio show around here are FUMING at her comments.
She is an embarassment.
T
It's the deepest hand dug well
May 9, 2007 - 21:40 ET by Tidy Bowl Manwhen i was a kid, my family would go thru Greensburg on the way to Oklahoma for vacation. We would always stop at the little shop where the meteorite and the hand dug well was. We always begged my folks to buy my brother and I tickets to go into the well. It has flights of stairs you could climb down to the water level.
Greensburg, I think is like a lot of towns in the midwest. They are small and getting smalller. More than a few of the houses were likely empty. I live in north central kansas now and the town I live in has over a hundred houses for sale, most of them sit empty.
It would seem that Sebelius d
May 9, 2007 - 21:42 ET by MobiusStripIt would seem that Sebelius did a fine job in mustering available forces. Contrary to the the naysayers here yesterday....You're doing a heck of a job, Sebe!
Too bad Gov stuck-on-stupid backtracked, Mobi
May 9, 2007 - 21:59 ET by RJOh, nice support, Mobi. Too bad Gov stuck-on-stupid completely backtracked.
Maybe you didn't get the message? She kinda left you with your bare butt hanging out? Oh, well, there will be other windmills. ;^>
Sebelius is a twit. I'm a Kansan. She's a twit.
May 9, 2007 - 22:01 ET by acaiguanaSebelius is a twit. I'm a Kansan. She's a twit.
ACA
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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)
Mobi,And you've yet to respon
May 9, 2007 - 22:15 ET by BlondeMobi,
And you've yet to respond how many resources (not first responders) of the Kansas National Guard are required to assist a town of 1,574 people.
Still waiting for your reply, listening to the crickets chirp.
Will you reply, or attempt to deflect again?
"Fine job" ?? Details please
May 10, 2007 - 11:09 ET by w0tmOther than follow orders from Howard Dean, please detail what she did to earn a "fine job" comment. One national guardsman was quoted as saying "they don't need us here. A night watchman could patrol the town. There is no looting. These people don't steal from each other". NG's first mission is to protect life and then property in a non-combat situation. So exactly WHAT did she do? Most of the "in Iraq" equipment is still in garages in Ft. Riley and other NG armories. NOT needed. Nor was anything needed from surrounding states. It was offered but she declined. So WHAT did she do! Howard Dean is pleased and you're pleased. And DailyKOS is pleased. The people of Greensburg have ignored her. They have a town to rebuild.
I'm not one to go around spreading rumours
May 10, 2007 - 07:12 ET by BurgherLocal morning talk jock Jim Quinn stated that his source said the the KS governor apologized to Senator Brownback by phone call ,that she did not believe what she had stated about the lack of equipment and help form the national gaurd, He also stated that his source reported that the Govenor got a call from Howard Dean and was asked (with twisted arm) to politicize this issue.
If this is true, did the same thing happen in New Orleans ?
I heard Quinn this morning, t
May 10, 2007 - 07:40 ET by Roger the ShrubberI heard Quinn this morning, too. Whoopsies, Howie!
Since this will come out as Kansans dying to make Democrat(ic)s look good, fully expect Quinn and Rose to be crucified by leftie douchebags like Mobie.
Welcome Burgher, have not see
May 10, 2007 - 08:12 ET by old croWelcome Burgher, have not seen your posts until today. I'm also local, but Quinn is now national and getting bigger. I don't know the exact number of satelite stations he and Rose are on, but he has been growing lately. I have been listening to him for years, he is dead on, on a lot of issues. He's sort of a minny Rush, they both follow a similiar train of thought, but Quinn is unique on his own.
"Only one thing is impossible for God: To find any sense in any copyright law on the planet."
Mark Twain
A brief summary: A source app
May 10, 2007 - 09:31 ET by Del DolemonteA brief summary: A source apparently close to the situation has told Quinn that Sebelius called Brownback shortly after she made the Katrina-like statement to the press to apologize. She allegedly told Brownback that she had been instructed by Howard Dean and Dick (Durbin?) to blame the fictional “lack of response” to the hurricane on the absence of National Guard troops and equipment, which had been diverted to Iraq (not true).
She said she would not have said these things “unless she had to,” and that she was told not to pass up an opportunity like this.
KS Governor Sebilius (D) said:
1. Howard Dean called me at 5AM this morning and said we needed to “use this”.
2. [Senator] Dick [Durbin] called about two hours later and told me not to ask for federal help.
3. We had “too many” National Guard personnel
And to answer your question, yes, Louisiana's Governor contacted the national DNC, who then got their friends in the national news media to spin the Katrina story to make Bush look bad, not her and Schoolbus Ray.
Let's not go letting her off
May 10, 2007 - 08:14 ET by BeowulfLet's not go letting her off the hook here. Sebelius opened the door with her ill-conceived, partisan, sensationalistic lies about the slow response and it's cause. She was playing politics using the victims of this tornado to promote her party line on both Bush and the war. If she hadn't gotten the negative response she received, she would still be ranting in the same vein. Only after people with more than one brain cell did 5 minutes of research and called her on her lies did she backpedal and play the "What I meant was..." game.
She is an educated elected official. This means she had absolutely no doubt what the biased media would do with her comments. She opened her mouth and spewed this inane rhetoric with full knowledge of how the press would handle it. She was hoping it would be treated just like the "Bush lied", "Domestic wiretapping", and "Culture of corruption" stories. They have no basis in fact, yet we are still hearing the same thing over and over. If she hadn't been challenged and forced to back off, this would be a national-level story (not the tornado - the use of NG in the war), there would be congressional investigations, and this would turn into just what we need - another divisive national issue.
The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers
They have opened the page to
May 10, 2007 - 08:48 ET by old croThey have opened the page to the "Katrina" playbook! New addition, same old story - it's Bush's fault!
"Boy George is all England needs - another queen who can't dress."
Joan Rivers
A word from Kansas
May 10, 2007 - 09:59 ET by w0tmI've probably posted enough about our embarrassment of a governor. Most states have embarrassments of elected officials. I guess if I had to pick one or the other -- I'll keep Sebelius over Obama. At least in her spot with a Republican senate and house, she has done no real damage in her soon to be two terms (term limited out thank Heavens!) in office. All during her campaigns and years in office she has remained very low profile except for pre-arranged well scripted events. I would bet money she had her DNC provided script in hand when she went to Greensburg. When her asinine and untrue comment was repeated without question in hundreds (thousands?) of media outlets around the world, the DNC sent her back to Greensburg to repeat what she said. Totally stupid and wrong but it played well with "the base". So she'll stay at it until the DNC says, "stop, let's move on".
"A lie repeated just once to the MSM becomes the truth".
In the meantime, the strong people of Greensburg are optimistic and already rebuilding their town and their lives. Very few consider themselves "helpless victims" the left wants us all to be. They are ignoring the useless to them governor. If anyone wishes to donate through a local Kansas charity where your money will all go to Greensburg and not be put into a general disaster relief fund - www.hearttoheart.org is based a few miles from me, I know the founder and they are good people. Click on "give". Good Kansas people. Neighbors helping neighbors -- not complaining to the government. The way our country is supposed to be and used to be.
My company is donating a lot of money and matching employee donations times two. Everyone I know in my town is active in their church or other group working on help for Greensburg. My receptionist is spending the week organizing a clothes and other needed items collection in her church. The entire church is pitching in. They now have two 40-foot tractor-trailer loads full that will head to Greensburg Saturday. And there will be much more to come. The people of Kansas appreciate the help of Washington but we are not Katrina! No matter how much Sebelius and the DNC tries to make us "Katrina 2". Sorry, wrong part of the country, liberals. Go look elsewhere.
We look after each other in "fly over" country.
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