Update below (May 8, 12:52 EDT)
Late Sunday evening, the AP reported Governor Kathleen Sebelius' (D-Kan.) opinion that recovery efforts from the devastating tornado that struck the town of Greensburg, Kansas "will be hampered because some much-needed equipment is in Iraq."
This morning, co-host John Roberts interviewed Sebelius on "American Morning." In one of his questions, Roberts gave the governor an opportunity to repeat her opinion on the National Guard equipment from Kansas that was sent to Iraq. "You have illuminated a problem that you've got here, in terms of the National Guard's ability to be able to react to this crisis because of the Iraq war. What's going on?"
Roberts, reporting live from Greensburg, also asked the governor some standard questions about the recovery efforts, and help that Kansas may receive from other states. However, Roberts did not ask the governor whether her adminstration had tried to compensate for the loss of the National Guard equipment in making emergency preparedness plans.
Unlike the AP, which had failed to identify Sebelius's party affiliation, Roberts clearly identified Sebelius as the "chairwoman of the Democratic Governors Conference."
What follows is the relevant part of the transcript of Roberts's interview with Gov. Sebelius:
JOHN ROBERTS: Kathleen Sebelius is the governor of Kansas. She's also the chairwoman of the Democratic Governors Conference. She has been looking after the disaster here in Greensburg since it happened on Friday night. She joins us now live. Can you update us? Where are we on search and rescue efforts? When do you switch form search and rescue into cleanup operations?
GOV. KATHLEEN SEBELIUS (D), KANSAS: Well, cleanup had to begin almost right away, so we can get the roads clear for people to come back. Starting at 8:00 this morning, the residents are going to be allowed back in. And many of them have not seen this in the daylight, and they're in for...
ROBERTS: It's something to see.
SEBELIUS: ... a shock....
ROBERTS: We spoke with your adjutant general, Major General Bunting, a little while ago. You have illuminated a problem that you've got here, in terms of the National Guard's ability to be able to react to this crisis because of the Iraq war. What's going on?
SEBELIUS: Well, states all over the country are not only missing personnel, National Guard troops are -- about 40 percent of the troops on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan -- but we're missing the equipment. When the troops get deployed, the equipment goes with them. So, here in Kansas, about 50 percent of our trucks are gone. We need trucks. We're missing Humvees. We're missing all kinds of equipment that can help us respond to this kind of emergency.
ROBERTS: So how is that going to hamper efforts both in the recovery and the rebuilding?
SEBELIUS: Well, as you travel around Greensburg, you'll see that the city and county trucks were destroyed. They -- the storm hit them, as well as anything...
ROBERTS: Fire trucks and everything is gone.
SEBELIUS: So we're borrowing equipment from around, but National Guard are our first responders. They don't have the equipment they need to come in. And it will just make it that much slower.
ROBERTS: Have you asked for help from other states?
SEBELIUS: We are reaching out to other states, and a lot of offers are coming in. What we are going to establish is sort of a virtual inventory, so that people can put on our inventory what they have. And as we need it, we'll put it down.
ROBERTS: We heard a couple of the federal politicians say over the weekend that this is not going to be another Katrina. That you're going to make sure that everybody stays focused on Greensburg to the point that it can actually recover and rebuild. How are you going to do that?
SEBELIUS: Well, I think we've got a great opportunity. Kansans are resilient, first of all. Folks are already talking about, 'How fast can I come back in? Where can I live while I rebuild, put up my business?' State assistance, federal assistance is on its way, but, also, I think, we have an opportunity to rebuild an entire rural community. I think eyes of America are on us, and I'm going to ask for help and support from everybody who believes that rural America needs to thrive and survive. We got a shock here.
Update (Ken Shepherd | May 8, 12:52 EDT):
Human Events is reporting that Gov. Sebelius has not asked for any assistance from the neighboring state of Missouri:
Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sibelius (D) who has been saying National Guard assets don't exist in other states to help Greensburg disaster victims hasn't even asked for them yet, according to National Guard sources statements to HUMAN EVENTS today.
On NBC's “Today Show" Gov. Sibelius said "Fifty percent of the equipment is gone and we can't borrow from other states because their equipment is gone."
H.E. spoke with Cpt. Spicer of the Missouri National Guard to inquire how much help Missouri would be able to provide. Cpt. Spicer answered that “We have not been asked for help.”
We asked Cpt. Spicer if Gov. Sibelius was to ask the Missouri National Guard for assistance, would they be able to help?
“Whenever we are asked for help we do our best to provide it, for instance when Louisiana needed help we sent 2000 soldiers and airmen in, in a period of 72 hours.”
—Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.




















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The left just can't help them
May 7, 2007 - 15:21 ET by bigtimerThe left just can't help themselves...they have to insert politics into every single thing...they always have...she is so full of her own spin she doesn't know facts from fiction....all politics all the time.
Pathetic little critters.
....soon they are going to go the way of Sunday's French election.
The left just can't help them
May 7, 2007 - 16:00 ET by MobiusStripThe left just can't help themselves...they have to insert politics into every single thing...they always have...she is so full of her own spin she doesn't know facts from fiction....all politics all the time
A town just got utterly destroyed, the Governor of the state- who, by the way, controls the National Guard deployments of the state- remarks that half of the NG assets from the state have been deployed in a foreign land and that has effected emergency response. And you have the gall to go the blame-the-left route. No- it's all politics to YOU. Unless you have more direct knowledge and responsibility for the control of the Kansas National Guard than it's Governor, the fact that their Governor is a Democrat means nothing. Especially given that the NG man-in-charge is on record saying that his asset capabilities are impeding relief efforts and that he agrees with the Governor's assessment.
It's this kind of blind, circle the wagons crap coming from the right that disallows any form of political discussion regarding the real costs of Iraq. Blame the left. Blame the left. Blame the left. You take one-half of the logistical assets out of an area and this kind of thing occurs- which it will inevitably do- and you have a major problem in taking care of Americans. The LEFT has been warning about this. You stick your head in the sand and then when it happens you Blame The Left! What a pathetic piece you are- the type that would grab your ideology instead of a hose if your neighbor's house was burning.
God Bless the will and fortitude of the great people of the Red State of Kansas and their Democratic Governor.
MS ---OOOOOOH!
May 7, 2007 - 16:03 ET by misterbillMS ---OOOOOOH! You're so eloquent when you get mad. I just feel chills all over. You, you manly man you. You defender of liberal rights. Oh, they threw the mold away after they made you. (I mean the black stuff in the tile.)
I'm so glad we have enormnous expensive assets sitting around
May 8, 2007 - 01:22 ET by SportPoliticsI'm so glad we have enormnous expensive assets sitting around that are never used except for a war or a natural disaster. I guess it's been 100 years since the "trucks" were used, but hey, at least they aren't sitting idle for 4 years, as we pay billions for the right MOS to change their slow leak tires on weekend warriror duty.
I'm going to be a lib soon, and demand the military and NG return immediately and not be used for war ever again, nor for guarding borders. They can become our new welfare state liberal left voters, while we pay them to live and pretend to be soldiers, but really be lovers not fighters.
Then, when a natural disaster hits, they call in the Coast Guard commander to take of things in between confiscating the guns of the citizens and never giving them back.
Gosh my perfect world is just over the horizon.
PS- THANK GOD THE TRUCKS WERE IN IRAQ, SINCE THE DEMO WHINED WHAT SHE HAD THERE WAS DESTROYED BY THE STORM.
Mob...Blind leading the blind
May 7, 2007 - 16:08 ET by bigtimerMob...
Blind leading the blind.
You ought to know...you are part of that losing mentality.
Glad to see you are in such a giddy little mood today....
LOL!
Your blathering is funny, Mobius-one-side
May 7, 2007 - 16:12 ET by RJYour indignant blathering is funny, Mobius-one-side. It's easy to imagine the drool and spittle flying, just like Chrissy Matthews.
But, see, you're practicing the same thing you accuse the right of doing. You have no knowledge of whether or not the Governor had made emergency contingency plans or not. After all, that the Guard was deployed didn't come as a surprise to her. Doncha think it's her job to recognize the deficiency and plan ahead instead of complaining after the fact? Hmmm. Sort of sounds like the Democratic leadership after Katrina.
Instead, you circle the wagons and attack the other side, while accusing them of exactly what you are doing. Typical....
Hey, give her a break. Mayb
May 7, 2007 - 16:27 ET by dodecahedronHey, give her a break. Maybe Gov Sebelius' didn't know they have tornadoes in Kansas. Maybe she never saw 'The Wizard of Oz.'
Oh Toto, don't be silly!!
May 7, 2007 - 16:38 ET by misterbillOh Toto, don't be silly!! Auntie Em will be so glad when this blow's over!
After all, that the Guard was
May 7, 2007 - 16:36 ET by MobiusStripAfter all, that the Guard was deployed didn't come as a surprise to her.
Who do you think authorizes the Guard? What a begging the question piece of crap. Ah, typical can't deal with the roots of the problem, again. Have to resort to no-answer, no-solution remarks.
RJ- what would you consider "contingency plans"? You can well bet that standing tornado response emergeny plans were in place in Kansas. The weather forecast systems and local alert systems are strong. The problem stated by the Governor and the NG adjutant was that half of our physical assets are in Iraq! And that hampered the emergency response capabilities! This may not seem like a problem to you. But I'm sure it is now for the Kansas NG and Kansans.
So- your notion of contigency plans. Contingent on an emergency such as this, every state should rely on it's National Guard, in full strength, to respond as first responders. That is their job description. Who drained the country of the NG? Liberals? I think not. Come up with a better plan.
My, my, Mobius, the spittle flies
May 7, 2007 - 16:53 ET by RJMy, my, Mobius, the raging spittle flies, doesn't it? You're trapped in tunnel-vision. All you can see in your BDS rage is that it's Bush's fault.
The Guard being deployed is a reality that didn't suddenly happen when the tornado struck. It was already gone, and the governor knew it. What was she doing, hoping that nothing would happen? To complain about it after the fact is weak.
You're being emotional and illogical.
Mobi - With every national di
May 7, 2007 - 16:59 ET by Gat New YorkMobi - With every national disaster comes relief and aid from other states. Kansas is surrounded by or is in close proximity to 9 states. So unless this woman governor dos not get along with others she should be expecting additional help. The fact is that this woman is a political pig.
Well said, Gat. There are als
May 7, 2007 - 19:26 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveWell said, Gat. There are also several active duty military installations within a 5 hour drive of Greensburg (I count 9 off the top of my head). Active Duty troop ALWAYS volunteer to help our communities in situations like this. The Governor was playing politics, plain and simple.
We had a tornado rip through Clovis, NM in March. It tore up a few parts of town pretty bad. For the next week they had NG, USAF, Boy Scouts, Red Cross, and other community volunteers crawling all over each other...there were too many people helping. Help is always available.
For what it's worth, Greensburg has a population of 1574 (2000 Census). Not a big town...I've driven through it many times. If the remaining assests and personnel are insufficient for cleaning up Greensburg, then Kansas' leadership is totally incompetent. It would be a different story if it was Wichita that was devastated.
"Believe what you want. You work your side of the street, and I'll work mine." --Frank Bullitt
Stop with the facts mean gene
May 8, 2007 - 01:31 ET by SportPoliticsStop with the facts mean gene, every one of those 1527 people minus the NG personnel counts for a lifelong scarring of our conscience. This rural community destruction will take down the state and national budget, as if bankruptcy wasn't already in the works.
My gawd you heartless bean counter ! People and their homes are not beans! This disaster has rocked the world and you've tried to minimize it with stats. I adore the democrat leadership of the state that never stooped that low. That's why I'm voting democrat 24/7/365 instead of heartless neocon.
Out.
A force of nature struck the
May 7, 2007 - 17:00 ET by bigtimerA force of nature struck the town, nothing much left now, people will have to pull themselves up by their boot-straps and move on...as we have been doing since the beginning of time Mob.
People help other people, more than anything you can depend on that...not the government, that can come later, as it usually does.... no matter the party.
Inserting politics in this is despicable.
...but that is what dem's do.
Liberals didn't vote for the
May 7, 2007 - 17:01 ET by dodecahedronLiberals didn't vote for the war? Really?
What kind of state has National Guard as first-responders anyway? If Aunt May's cat gets stuck in a tree, do they call in 3rd platoon with the tank to come get it out? If there's a fire at the old post office, do they scramble the A10's? Does Kansas have NG in Humvees chasing criminals through the streets? Sounds like someone is playing up the drama for her big day on CNN.
I'm sure all 1527 resident are
May 8, 2007 - 01:35 ET by SportPoliticsI'm sure all 1527 residents are headed for the FEMA "Brownie out" that we are now used to in this formerly great nation.
I cannot bustle up enough words to relay my total support for the overwhelmed democrat governor, who will be on her own when it comes to responding.
I hope Ray Nagin calls her with some pointers so she can get through this.
SP, I sincerely hope this pos
May 9, 2007 - 08:56 ET by BeowulfSP, I sincerely hope this post was meant as sarcastic...
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MobiusStrip Says:"The pr
May 7, 2007 - 17:30 ET by rwesleyMobiusStrip Says:
"The problem stated by the Governor and the NG adjutant was that half of our physical assets are in Iraq! And that hampered the emergency response capabilities!"
That means that half still remain in state, correct? A town of 1500 requires more than 50% of the National Guard physical assets to respond in an emergency situation?
Before you answer - think about the emergency services also available in surrounding towns and counties. Think about the fact that the Red Cross is part of the "emergency response" and they are not deployed in Iraq.
Use some common sense.
Each person is to be mourned
May 8, 2007 - 01:38 ET by SportPoliticsEach person is to be mourned in this gigantic national disaster that will change the face of America forever. Did you belittle the 30+ dead on the VT campus as well?
I cannot understand the blindness of a neocon. Democratic Governors at least realize they have to govern. Why not just dismantle our only safety valve, like you want to ? Then we can all live in a global warming disaster area.
Democratics forever!
You mean like Gov. Blanco's s
May 8, 2007 - 08:09 ET by rwesleyYou mean like Gov. Blanco's shining example of governance?
NO MOBIUS
May 7, 2007 - 17:50 ET by acumenThere you go again Mobius. This is getting tiresome;
"The problem stated by the Governor and the NG adjutant was that half of our physical assets are in Iraq!"
NO MOBIUS. THE GOVERNOR STATED; "....about 40 percent of the troops on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan....."
Why is that so difficult for you to grasp? Seriously, why do you keep excluding Afghanistan in your comment on what the Governor said? Is it because the left has said war in Afghanistan good, war in Iraq bad?
C'mon, I know you can do it - Now say it with me; Iraq AND AFGHANISTAN. OK, now you can move on to blaming your reading comprehension disability on Bush....
"God Bless the will an
May 7, 2007 - 16:29 ET by MightyMouth"God Bless the will and fortitude of the great people of the Red State of Kansas and their Democratic Governor."
This was a town of 1500 people, Do you really think the ENTIRE Kansas national guard contingent would be deployed to this town? The "Democratic Governor" is setting up damage control for when she f***ks it up! Blame Bush!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Great stuff
December 12, 2008 - 13:09 ET by tshellI nearly lost my milk...lol
I agree with you for the most part...however I do believe more was needed from the contingent.
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Another incompetent boob of a Democrat governor.
May 7, 2007 - 16:34 ET by Dave RTell ya what, Moby, lets just bring all our soldiers home from all parts of the globe, both NG and fulltime soldiers. Oh, sure, that will leave the door wide open for the Islamic barbarians to pretty much take over the whole f'ing planet, but what the heck, at least we'll have enough here to clean up after hurricanes, tornados and what ever other natural disasters befall us. After all, to hear you lefty cry-babies tell it, this country never suffered from a natural disaster until GWB took office, anyway.
I seem to recall another Democrat governor (Blanco) who had control of the NG in her state, too, but refused to ask for them until long after she needed them. Then she, and a fellow incompetent boob of a Democrat mayor (Nagin) proceeded to blame it all on GWB and the federal government. Typical.
Funny, I didn't hear the governor next door (Barber) crying and pointing fingers at the feds and whining like a spoiled child, and his state was hit very hard as well.
And since when was it the federal government's responsibility to clean up after tornados and hurricanes, anyway? Not only that, but FEMA was never intended to be a first-responder. It isn't their mission.
This is nothing more than a pre-emptive strike at the feds so that a Democrat governor has an out in case she turns out to be as incompetent a boob as Blanco was.
PS: And did I mention Blanco and Nagin knew Katrina was coming at least FOUR DAYS before it arrived-probably five.
This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.-
Neal Boortz.
And since when was it the fed
May 7, 2007 - 17:10 ET by MobiusStripAnd since when was it the federal government's responsibility to clean up after tornados and hurricanes, anyway? Not only that, but FEMA was never intended to be a first-responder. It isn't their mission
FEMA Mission
DISASTER. It strikes anytime, anywhere. It takes many forms -- a hurricane, an earthquake, a tornado, a flood, a fire or a hazardous spill, an act of nature or an act of terrorism. It builds over days or weeks, or hits suddenly, without warning. Every year, millions of Americans face disaster, and its terrifying consequences.
On March 1, 2003, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) became part of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The primary mission of the Federal Emergency Management Agency is to reduce the loss of life and property and protect the Nation from all hazards, including natural disasters, acts of terrorism, and other man-made disasters, by leading and supporting the Nation in a risk-based, comprehensive emergency management system of preparedness, protection, response, recovery, and mitigation.
Oh, and that is from the offical FEMA site. Got a clue, yet?
Mobi,FEMA is not a first resp
May 7, 2007 - 17:31 ET by BlondeMobi,
FEMA is not a first responder.
First responders (and rightly so) are local governments and agencies (fire rescue, police, and duly constituted other first responders, depending on the disaster). First to protect life and property, assess the damage, and to ask for the appropriate assistance. FEMA is a second responder. This is exactly what happened in Kansas...local authorites secured the site, and enforced the curfew until an appropriate search and rescue could be made. How does FEMA fit into the first response? Oh, that's right, it doesn't.
It is the responsibility of the State and Local government to pre-plan for potential disasters (mostly due to geography). Obviously, this woman feels she failed somehow, and is trying to shift any potential blame, which the media is more than happy to accomodate.
Spin it any way you'd like, the facts are the facts.
I agree that the local commun
May 7, 2007 - 17:53 ET by MobiusStripI agree that the local community must provide first response- how else could it be? But the NG is relied upon when major disasters overwhelm local response- as in this case- and the Governor- whom you feel compelled to describe as "this woman", very curious- states that the NG did not have sufficient resources to respond as well as possible. Blame shifting, you say. How about adhering to the facts that when s- like this happens our response capablilities have been limited by having half of our normally-local, trained responders and their equipment in a far-off land?
Mobius, my dad used to say....
May 7, 2007 - 17:57 ET by RJMobius, my dad had an expression that fits this situation....."it's a poor workman who blames his tools."
And, a grand and memorable re
May 7, 2007 - 18:17 ET by MobiusStripAnd, a grand and memorable re-interpretation by Rumsfeld:
"You go to war with the Army you have, not the one you want."
Problem solved, Mobius
May 7, 2007 - 18:26 ET by RJYup. Rummy said the same thing with no whining.
BTW, I understand the governor is bringing in private contractors and their heavy equipment. Gee, what an easy solution....of course, it doesn't give her or you on the left the chance to whine about Iraq again.
Her local vehicles
May 8, 2007 - 01:42 ET by SportPoliticsHer local vehicles were destroyed, as her words point out in the article, mobiusidiot. So her only chance is a libbocon Iraq recall.
I thank the wise President Bush for having millions of dollars of NG equipment in Iraq, the entire states worth, so that it wasn't destroyed on the ground like the governess' local vehicles.
Thank you President Bush, for saving the equipment of the Kansan National Guard. Wise you are !
Moby - and Clinton didn't lea
May 8, 2007 - 06:03 ET by Gat New YorkMoby - and Clinton didn't leave Bush and Rumy much of an Army or much of an intelligence force (as attested to by Tenet).
Typically, the NG is used to
May 7, 2007 - 17:59 ET by BlondeTypically, the NG is used to provide additional security and prevent looting, a la hurricane Andrew or Katrina. Additionally (speaking of hurricane mode, in which I have alot of experience, incidently) the Guard is used to guard and distribute necessary supplies, which are provided, and long-hauled by commercial carrier.
How much additional security, over and above that provided by local law enforcement, is necessary for a town of 1,500 inhabitants? Who don't have the propensity to loot their way through a disaster, btw? So tell me, exactly how many NG personnel are required here?
How many "other" resources are required? For a town of 1,500? If the state's ability to respond was overwhelmed, I'd say the Governor's totally failed at disaster preparedness, wouldn't you?
Why don't you try adhering to the facts instead of your liberal flights of fancy for a change?
A Leftivus Miracle
May 7, 2007 - 18:08 ET by acumenIt's a leftivus miracle - Mobius got a clue...
So why don't you provide me w
May 7, 2007 - 18:13 ET by MobiusStripSo why don't you provide me with answers to your questions, as you are so sure of "numbers" required. You must be more adept at that than I- but it's your question. Perhaps you could be the next "this woman" who is the Governor of Kansas!
Mobi,Once again, you choose n
May 7, 2007 - 18:23 ET by BlondeMobi,
Once again, you choose not to answer, because the answers would make you look foolish.
It's not up to me to prove your negative (or your lack of willingness to engage).
Bad debating technique.
So sorry, try again.
BTW, I wouldn't be caught dead as "this woman". I lived in Kansas once, (Fort Riley) and of course don't live there now....you should have twigged to this little fact, it's in my profile and also by my "hurricane references"....I live in Florida. More of your deflecting nonsense, Mobi.
Good for the goose....
May 7, 2007 - 18:13 ET by acumen"....whom you feel compelled to describe as "this woman"....."
If that term is good enough for the Adulturer in Chief.....
BJ Deaths & Dismemberment
May 7, 2007 - 18:28 ET by MobiusStripBJ Deaths & Dismemberments leading to Impeachment: 0
BS Deaths & Dismemberments leading to Impeahment: Incalculable.
We don't take AmEx.
Did I get that wrong?
Of course you did.
May 7, 2007 - 18:33 ET by BlondeOf course you did.
Bravo for your second attempt at deflection from the topic at hand.
Ha
May 7, 2007 - 18:56 ET by acumenAnd these moonbats want to oversee our national security Blonde. Ha....
acumen,Actually, that's a pre
May 7, 2007 - 18:58 ET by Blondeacumen,
Actually, that's a pretty sick joke.
Indeed it is Blonde
May 7, 2007 - 19:01 ET by acumenAnd I sure hope American voters have the correct punch line in 08'.
Amen!
May 7, 2007 - 19:16 ET by BlondeAmen!
Deaths and Dismemberments
May 7, 2007 - 18:34 ET by RJAdditional Deaths and Dismemberments due to the left's treasonous encouragement of the terrorists: incalculable.
MB, you keep harping that &
May 8, 2007 - 11:25 ET by BeowulfMB, you keep harping that "half of our normally local, trained responders and their equipment in a far-off land". Actually it's like 40%, not 50%, and that means, even using your math, that 50% of the Kansas National Guard IS STILL THERE! How many tens of thousands of Guardsmen are needed for this response? And, BTW, Guardsmen aren't "trained responders". They are trained soldiers.
How long are you going to defend the gross incompetance of "this woman" (personally, I don't care if she's a hermaphrodite, she's still incompetant)?
Have YOU gotten a clue yet?
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No Mobius
May 7, 2007 - 17:31 ET by acumenNo, once again you are wrong Mobius. Quite frankly I'm starting to feel a little embarrassed for you. LOCAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT are designated as FIRST RESPONDERS. FEMA is instrumental in TRAINING first responders but are obviously NOT first responders in ANY crisis simply based on logistics if nothing else. If you want some links to verify this I will be happy to provide them but if I can locate them so should you be able to. Just to get you started I suggest you read FEMA Document: Supporting Our First Responders and pay close attention to the paragraph entitled; First Responder Training
So, let's see... I remember w
May 7, 2007 - 18:37 ET by MobiusStripSo, let's see... I remember when Andrew hit and the FEMA guy I was playing cribbage with got the call on his pager. Had a better hand than me and knew it... left the table and his beer, I reneged and covered his tab. You go, man. He was off to FL from CO then and there. Comm systems expert. Seemed to feel he was responding at first call. Which he did.
Tell him he wasn't a first responder.
Was your friends name Superman Mobius?
May 7, 2007 - 18:48 ET by acumenOh......OK. So your cribbage partner got the call, jumped into the nearest phone booth, slipped into his Superman outfit, flew away from Colorado faster than a speeding bullet getting to the scene in Florida before any LOCAL emergency responders. THAT would be the only way your cribbage partner was a FIRST responder.
I don't have to tell your friend he wasn't a FIRST responder - he already knows he's not. I'm just wondering why you are having so much trouble with the definition/concept. And you guys want to run the Country.....
Note to self - Do not waste time responding to deranged Mobius comments again.
The Feds won't come into a st
May 7, 2007 - 22:26 ET by ahusserThe Feds won't come into a state until the Governor asks for Federal Aid. The Governor usually requests that the President declare the area impacted a disaster area. The Feds won't pull sovereignity rank unless there are National Security issues such as an invasion or insurrection. The state and local authorities are the first responders.
"A mind is a terrible thing." - A comic I forgot the name of.
Wrong again Mobi.The first re
May 7, 2007 - 18:49 ET by BlondeWrong again Mobi.
The first responders are local. Did you forget you agreed, above?
Apparently.
I was here for Hurricane Andrew. So tell me, Mobi, how long did it take for your pal to make it from Colorado to Miami? Hmmmm. I know the tangential answer, because it took my ex-husband three days to make it there from Broward County (25 miles to the north) with ice, chain-saws, propane, coolers and food.
FYI, there were no first responders, because no one believed there would be a hurricane, there were no plans, it was just as big of a fiasco as Katrina. Live and learn.
Why don't you try telling your tales to someone who hasn't a clue? Like, maybe WhichWay or your friend ThoughtPolice?
Why, blonde! Are you saying that Mobius
May 7, 2007 - 18:56 ET by RJWhy, Blonde! Are you saying Mobius has misrepresented? I would be shocked...shocked, I tell you....
RJ,Take your finger out of th
May 7, 2007 - 19:01 ET by BlondeRJ,
Take your finger out of the socket, dude, the shocked effect will go away shortly.
Why do we even bother?
These talking-point-wonders devolve and deflect and then just kind of shut up when they've been kicked into the corner for the umpteenth time.
19 in the Crib
May 7, 2007 - 20:19 ET by Carl Kolchakwas playing cribbage with got the call on his pager. Had a better hand than me and knew it..
Did he have 19 in his hand?
"Fifteen two, fifteen four, and the rest won't score"
So let me get this right mobstrip
May 8, 2007 - 01:51 ET by SportPoliticsSo let me get this right mobstrip. You are getting drunk in a bar playing cards in Colorado, and Florida reaches out and whisks away your superior who you've corrupted with alcohol, but the idiot demogoverness is at a loss because she can't even use the 60% unfederalized paid for NG in her state for a tiny 1500 resident wreck ?
Florida Jeb reaches out to a Colorado drunk friend of Mobstrip, but Demo retard loon of Kansas gets on the TV and whines she's helpless when it's her turn.
I thank Jeb for getting the fellow away from you before you ruined him.
I'LL tell him he's not a firs
May 8, 2007 - 11:40 ET by BeowulfI'LL tell him he's not a first responder! And Guess what? HE'LL tell you he's not a first responder. I, until recently, was an Emergency Manager, so I do have just a little background knowledge of emergency response. Fire, Police, and sometimes Medical are first responders, especially to natural disasters. FEMA is a follow-on response COORDINATOR, who, incidentally, must be REQUESTED by the state governor, PRIOR to responding. Makes it kinda hard for your FEMA buddy to be a first responder, hmmm?
The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers
FEMA
May 8, 2007 - 10:46 ET by ralaskaFEMA is only used after the state has used all its resources. It is and never was intended to be a first responder. 1st the local gov. must declare a disaster, in this case pretty much a given, 2nd the State, this means the Gov. must declare it a disaster and when they are out of resources then they can ask for a Presidential disaster. That’s when FEMA shows up. For the Governor to whine already is just political show boating, She has plenty of assets for this small disaster, yes it is a small one. I have worked in the Emergency Management field for quite sometime and this one is not that big. And there is some question on how much of the states assets are deployed, yesterday a Kansas Senator said that 80% of the NG is still in state. This could be a small misunderstanding on my part since I only heard the report on the radio. However, the fact is she is grandstanding and the press is only too happy to show her blaming the war on all her problems.
Moby - This pathetic excuse f
May 7, 2007 - 16:40 ET by Gat New YorkMoby - This pathetic excuse for a Governor made this point to cover her a$$ when she fails like Blanco did in Louisiana. So before the Federal Government has a chance she is already politicizing it. The fact is that this tragedy happened in a town that probably dd not vote for her so this is her way of scoring poltical points. She should just shut up and do her job if she is even capable of it.
Tunnel vision Mobius
May 7, 2007 - 17:15 ET by acumen"....remarks that half of the NG assets from the state have been deployed in a foreign land...."
No, Afghanistan and Iraq (lands - plural) is in fact what she said. I'm not trying to nit-pick here Mobius but the fact that the Governor mentioned both Countries is important. You are the one that is conveniently leaving out Afghanistan, not the Governor of Kansas. Moving along:
"It's this kind of blind, circle the wagons crap coming from the right that disallows any form of political discussion regarding the real costs of Iraq."
No, it's the left's tunnel vision on Iraq to the extent of changing a quote that disallows any FACTUAL disucussion regarding ANYTHING to do with Iraq.
This is in FACT what the Governor of Kansas stated; "Well, states all over the country are not only missing personnel, National Guard troops are -- about 40 percent of the troops on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan -- but we're missing the equipment."
Now the point relevant to NB involvement is the fact that Roberts only focused on personel and equipment tied up in Iraq while totally disregarding Afghanistan......much like yourself.
Excuse me but while the left is ridiculously blaming even the weather on Conservatives (supposed human-induced global warming), the rest of us are seriously trying to finally put a stop to something much more pressing - terrorism. Now, I personally don't care if it's Iraq, Afghanistan or Timbuktu our Military is doing their job preventing terrorists from killing another 3000+ US civilians here at home. That seems every bit as important as having a few extra trucks to help out the good folks in what's left of Greensburg. I have been watching this story closely and all I have heard from the citizens of Greensburg is that they will deal with this situation. They aren't screaming for the military to come in and save the day for them. That's what REAL Americans are all about - not sitting around whining about what could or could not be. You could learn a lesson from those good folks in Kansas.
According to this website, ht
May 7, 2007 - 19:03 ET by alamojbAccording to this website, http://ngaks.org/NGAKS2007LegislativePriorities.pdf
the Kansas National Gaurd has 8,000+ members. I am still looking for the number of trucks they are allocated. But as a former member of the Texas National Gaurd, I say the Governor is full of liberal Baloney if she cannot take care of a town of 1500 people with those assets. By the way, that website says only 1,100 of the 8,000 troops are in IRAQ, etc.
Good for you, alamojb, nicely
May 7, 2007 - 19:14 ET by BlondeGood for you, alamojb, nicely done.
I was looking for a site with numbers....I found a site that had a map of Kansas, that had more than 55 NG armories (if I counted correctly). Kind of reinforces your point, though.
Imagine that, a liberal exaggeration to make the President look bad....hmmm.
It is entirely possible that
May 7, 2007 - 19:31 ET by alamojbIt is entirely possible that any engineering assets like bulldozers or 2.5 ton, 5 ton and 10 ton trucks might be out of the state, but still I doubt it is an unsurmountable obstacle. Of course, what piece of equipment is deployed and what is not is most likely a sensitive piece of info, so we may not ever really know. There will be a lot of trash to haul out of that town, so big trucks and bulldozers will be needed, but I still have to suspect some possible political reasons for the Gov and media on this.
alamo,I see you are new here.
May 7, 2007 - 19:43 ET by Blondealamo,
I see you are new here.
You don't need to tell me a thing about clearing hurricane or tornado debris. Believe me when I tell you, I have experience about nineteen ways from Sunday on this topic!
As to what equipment has been deployed or not, in this situation it hardly matters. There is more than enough equipment in the surrounding counties to handle it without using the Guard for the effort.
This whole whine from the left is just BDS. As is the media repitition of the "non-story". Don't get me wrong, I feel for these people in this town, but every story I've seen has had shown all of the actual "victims" being thankful...to be alive, and to have the well-wishes and good acts of their fellow Americans. Unlike the "me-first" socialists in N.O. Who are still complaining almost two years after the fact.
Finally, alamo, welcome to the boards!
Blonde,I live in Texas.
May 7, 2007 - 20:08 ET by alamojbBlonde,
I live in Texas. Right after Katrina hit my Father, Mother, and Myself drove down to SouthWestern Mississippi to check on my Grandparents who live just across the state line from New Orleans. Thankfully the main damage to my grandparents house was just one set of small trees that fell over. My Grandfather, who was born around 1918 (He had the Spanish Flu as a baby) got up on the roof with us to help cut the trees off. He is a Republican. We went over later to see one of my Great Uncles, who is a Democrat. Now granted, he was not in as good of shape as my Grandfather, but he was in the house complainig about help not arriving yet. I think that is the differance between a Republican and a Democrat.
alamo,That's a very apt anal
May 7, 2007 - 20:17 ET by Blondealamo,
That's a very apt analogy.
Get 'er done....or whine about it.
The Fed will use contractors
May 7, 2007 - 22:38 ET by ahusserThe Fed will use contractors not the NG to move debris. The fed will give the state financial assistance to do what it needs to do if the aid is needed. The NG probably would only be needed a short time to assist local law enforcement. I am sure the state police are already there in force. I am sure the state's emergency plans are in effect without the dingbat governor's apparent stupidiy. And more important this is the first time I have seen a tornado politicized in any way. The runocrats are going insane with hysteria another symptom of BDS in action since Katrina.
I really hate to be the one t
May 8, 2007 - 11:02 ET by BeowulfI really hate to be the one to once again confuse the issue with facts, AND put the blame squarely where it belongs, but I submit the following as proof that Gov Sebelius is indeed injecting politics into this event, playing the Blame Bush game and attempting to divert attention from her obvious shortcomings.
Currently, only 300 or so NG members (278th KNG Sustainment Brigade) have been activated in response to this tornado. That doesn't seem to be a very high percentage of those not deployed to Iraq.
Currently, the Kansas National Guard has 88 percent of its forces available.
Currently, the Kansas National Guard has 60 percent of its Army Guard dual-use equipment on hand.
Currently, it has more than 85 percent of its Air Guard equipment on hand.
Under the Emergency Management Assistance Compact, which is a national partnership agreement that allows state-to-state assistance during governor or federally declared emergencies, Kansas has more than 400,000 Guardsmen available to it. However, Kansas has not yet requested assistance from other states. (information courtesy of the National Guard Bureau)
So how much of this is hype, and how much Bush-Hating politics?
I hear a lot of complaining about how depleted the Kansas National Guard is due to Bush's war, statements that are blatantly not true.
I hear Katrina-like complaining about how devastating the storm was, yet, as in New Orleans, the Gov has not yet requested aid, but has instead spent her time whining about that evil Bush administration.
I hear bichin', yet no mention of the emergency management planning she, as governor, is required and expected to have in place, just like Blanco and Nagin failed to do in Louisiana.
Again, how much of this is hype, and how much preemptive CYA?
And I hear you, Mobius, praising her incredible incompetance and whining, just as the citizens of New Orleans did with Nagin, after he failed them on a massive scale. And the MSM gave him a free pass, choosing instead to drone on and on about the failed federal response.
Now I have no problem at all if the feds fail to perform and are called on the carpet for it, regardless of their particular party. But ALL such government failures deserve the same treatment. If the feds are to blame for depleting a state's resources to respond to an emergency, place the blame on their shoulders. But if the governor fails to prepare for such emergencies, using every asset available, and then LIES about why her response is so abysmal, then SHE too needs to feel the pain of negative public opinion as well...
I will, however, whole-heartedly join you in praise of the people of Kansas for their fortitude and community support of those affected (unlike New Orleans, so many of whose residents saw Katrina as an open house for criminal behavior).
So basically, what I'm saying is that before spouting off in support of this governor, regardless of party (which shouldn't matter during a disaster), you need to do a little research and get the facts. And maybe have a little basis of knowledge on the subject before regurgitating such brainless propaganda.
The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers
Beo,Naughty. You responded
May 8, 2007 - 20:13 ET by BlondeBeo,
Naughty. You responded with facts.
Not fair. Not fair at all. Not fair to the Kos.bots.
Wow, that was a totally great post. Fact filled and right on the money!
Thanks.
Good thing all that equipme
May 7, 2007 - 16:39 ET by dabalGood thing all that equipment was in Iraq at the time, or it'd be well on its way to Oz by now....with the rest of the town's "trucks".
Preventative damage control, indeed.Sebelius--
May 7, 2007 - 16:48 ET by misterbillSebelius--"well you see. we were going to use the cannons on the tanks to blow the crap out of anything left standing. We also planned to use flamethrowers to get rid of burnable trash. I have not yet come up with a completely dumb-ass reason for automatic and semi-automatic weapons, but please wait. I will ask some fool like Teddy Kennedy or chins Kerry to come up with something."
"By the way, I could use some of the good stuff in the Corpsman's stash."
Her comments are better known
May 7, 2007 - 16:54 ET by vietvet67Her comments are better known as "covering your a**."
No, you're wrong, once again.
May 7, 2007 - 17:27 ET by MobiusStripNo, you're wrong, once again. I may be killed for this but I'll let you in on a secret: The tornadoes were a leftist plot designed to make the Bush administration look bad. We relied on the hot Gulf air supplied by Chavez (at great cost, but subsidized by his secret plot to keep diesel fuel prices low in Kansas, which allowed us to ensure a Demoratic Governor) to channel the necessary organic winds into Kansas. Bill Ritter, our new libero-fascist in Colorado, readily obliged by providing the requisite cold air. Everything came together deliciously- beyong our grandest expectations. That Greensburg took a direct hit is of no consequence. Our plan is in place.
"Our plan is in place&
May 7, 2007 - 18:13 ET by MightyMouth"Our plan is in place"
Well your "plan" SUCKS!
Try something else!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Heh heh- I knew I'd get at le
May 7, 2007 - 18:47 ET by MobiusStripHeh heh- I knew I'd get at least one reaction out of this crowd. And a standard contributor! What a bonus! I'm so humored I must feel my job is done for the night, but I would recommend all of those rolling their eyes at MightyMouth actually answering my post chastise him for being so easily sucked into responding.
Chump.
That's right, Mobius
May 7, 2007 - 18:53 ET by RJThat's right, Mobius. Drag your whipped butt off the playing field, pyrrhic victory and all.....
Sorry, Mobi.All you've accomp
May 7, 2007 - 18:54 ET by BlondeSorry, Mobi.
All you've accomplished is to prove that you are in fact a self-professed troll.
Too bad, so sad, you've provided the very proof of your own next time-out, yet again.
You know, Blonde, if I didn't
May 7, 2007 - 19:17 ET by MobiusStripYou know, Blonde, if I didn't come here you would be bored with eachother. Who was it that wrote "familiarity breeds contempt", a fine contra-temps to "absence makes the heart grow fonder"? Can't remember the authors of either.
But, as I've remarked earler, you guys need me around. I am the burr in your boot that make you step lightly; the ring in your ears, the distaste on your tongue, the cat you watch coughing furballs. It's all in great fun. This is why I refer to this site as Floyd's Barbershop. You will always agree with eachother, but having me around actually allows better debate.
So take a vote: do you want this troll to leave? I will if you want.
Mobi,Your attempt at pseudo-i
May 7, 2007 - 19:32 ET by BlondeMobi,
Your attempt at pseudo-intellectualism with the french bon-mot is just silly.
You are hardly a burr in my boot, nor any of the other silly things you've named as an annoyance.
A better debate? You couldn't debate your way out of a wet paper bag, Mobi.
Why don't you answer my original question(s), instead of, once again, trying to deflect the argument?
How many National Guard members are required for a disaster that flattened a town of 1,500 people? To provide security in a town where people don't naturally loot?
Keep deluding yourself.
I could hardly care whether or not you leave. Suit yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
May 7, 2007 - 19:40 ET byhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y05EmK66Gsk
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Knowingly taking pleasure in
May 8, 2007 - 08:12 ET by rwesleyKnowingly taking pleasure in causing grief for others is a sign of a personality disorder. If you do leave, I suggest you seek professional help.
"chump"I'd rather
May 8, 2007 - 08:28 ET by MightyMouth"chump"
I'd rather be a "chump" then a dickhead. Because only a dickhead would consider a bitchslap as an "answer" to a moronic post. Look at you Mobi, easily sucked into responding to a smackdown. Nice going champ!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
yep
May 7, 2007 - 17:16 ET by goldenthroatI just KNEW it would not take long for the left-coast, bleeding-heart, 'do-as-we-say-not-as-we-do' liberals to blame the Kansas tornadoes on President Bush.
Of course, it's his fault! Why - what was wrong with him? Didn't he see this coming just like he should have seen Katrina coming?
This cast of idiots have taken their hate-mongering of the President to new heights of absurdity. The president is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, according to these morons, and they once again go to the Clinton News Network to spout off their lunacy.
Never dance on an empty stomach unless it's a liberal.
If you think that there is no
May 7, 2007 - 18:12 ET by ArchConservativeIf you think that there is not enough people helping, why don't you get off of your millionaire, bloated, self-righteous, opinion-spouting asses and get out there and help. You're the modern day equivalent of Sally Struthers standing in front of hungry kids and not giving them a damned sandwich. Egotistical, self-important liberals never help any one but themselves.
"Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
- President George W Bush September 2001 speech to a joint session of Congress.
5th Generation Kansan Says:
May 7, 2007 - 19:37 ET by w0tmI am a fifth generation Kansan. My family was here before Kansas was a state. On behalf of the sane people in my state, I apologize for this disgusting excuse of a governor. To use the death and suffering of the good people of a wonderful rural Kansas town to further her far-left agenda should be grounds for impeachment. But that's just political. She is truly a cold, cruel, uncaring person.
A member of the National Guard in Greensburg bravely answered, when questioned, that they had all the response resources that could possibly be used. I say "bravely" because the governor could fire him. Was his answer carried around the world by the same hundreds of media outlets that had just trumpeted her blatant use of a terrible disaster to help her political party and our enemies abroad and within? Of course not! His statement was carried on one Kansas City TV station one time plus in conservative newspapers in rural Kansas. Kansas pigs will fly before it shows up in the Kansas City Star newspaper. But her statement will be tomorrow's headline. I'll bet money on it.
Kansas is a bipolar state. Urban Kansas City controls the state. And the Kansas City media is the ultimate control. Read her original platform the first time she ran for governor and she is left of Kucinich. Except it has been “expunged” from everywhere it could once be read. The DNC made it GONE. Watching her nearing the point of implosions, the DNC quickly stepped in to run her campaign. For almost two terms now, she has been the stealth governor. In the last election, she won by a landslide. In a poll afterwards, voters were asked to name ONE thing she stood for. Nothing -- blank stares.
What were her campaign ads like? She was never shown without an apron and a plate of freshly baked cookies coming out of the oven. She was always smiling surrounded by LOTS of children, puppy dogs, kittens and all that her PR people think represents solid Midwest conservative values. Carefully staged softball question appearances before friendly audiences and constant, glowing puff piece articles on her in the Kansas City Star. Want to know her latest recipe for fudge brownies? We'd read that on page one then turn to page two to read the latest slash and burn hit piece on her Republican opponent. No name -- just Jack the Ripper. She was, as I say, the stealth candidate and has been the stealth governor. She began her first term by sending nutty MoveOn.org type bills to the legislature but soon realized her baking cookie ads that got her elected was not going to get her agenda turned into law. After awhile, Kansans began to learn of the whacko ideas she was proposing. The news leaked out -- somehow. Rather than "come out of the closet", she retreated. Years ago, the DNC had long-term plans for her as a female VP candidate but now, with Hillary, she has become "where do we put her and what do we do with her?" to the DNC.
In Kansas, we used to just chuckle at the latest news of Slick Willie and all the rest of the whacko goings on in the rest of this country gone "bonkers". As long as the craziness stayed far away! As long as we had the safety of our “enclave of sanity”, we were OK. Then Sebelius snuck in under the radar with most voters believing she was a Republican who accidentally signed up in the wrong party but hadn't gotten round to correcting the error. With her election, we were shaken to the core to learn we also have hoards of mindless "Useful Idiots" amongst us just like everywhere else! Our safe enclave had been an illusion all these years. If Kansas isn't safe, is any place safe?
That she said this was NOT surprising to those who know her as I do. That hundreds of media outlets ignored this story until she made her comment was not surprising. In fact, none of it was surprising. But it was still absolutely, totally disgusting. And it was right here where I live! With Sunday's election, maybe I'll move to France.
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View http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c to FINALLY understand why liberals think the way they do. This was the most informative 47 minutes I've ever spent. Please -- take the time to view it.
w0tm,Auntie Em....Auntie Em..
May 7, 2007 - 19:50 ET by Blondew0tm,
Auntie Em....Auntie Em....do you suspect you are not in Kansas anymore?
Thanks for the insight. It's amazing how these people get elected, isn't it?
If this woman (oops, sorry Mobi) can't get her arms around a disaster that involves 1,500 residents without falling into Bush Bashing, you should be thankful you are in Kansas where a hurricane can't wipe out hundreds of thousands, or millions.
Silly liberals.
Thanks for the youtube link
May 8, 2007 - 00:46 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveThanks for the youtube link. Very good. It puts a concrete decription on the modern-day Liberal philosophy.
"Believe what you want. You work your side of the street, and I'll work mine." --Frank Bullitt
Tell me again: How many torna
May 7, 2007 - 19:51 ET by kathleenirishTell me again: How many tornadoes have landed and ripped through how many states this year and last? Where were the liberals then? Still blaming Bush for Katrina, I guess. They seem to have finally come out of their psychotic fog long enough to have noticed that a tornado devastated a town and killed people. They didn't seem to take any particular interest in any of the many natural disasters that regularly occur all around this country. Remember all the blizzards and ice storms,and floods, in addition to devastating tornadoes, of this past Fall and Winter? No? Probably because the people of this nation for the most part pick themselves up, work hard, come together to help one another, and don't whine about the federal government being at fault or not doing enough for them; there's been no tinkling piano music dramatic special reports from the MSM, ala Katrina. The pass-the-buck-pee-pants Democrat governors and mayors and the MSM should shove their phony hypocritical b.s. right up their pompous asses.
Shameless liberals will use anyone or anything to promote their agenda in any given moment.
" 'Fred's Slacks' is a winner!!"
FYI Gov, you should check wit
May 8, 2007 - 06:54 ET by NeoCon JediFYI Gov, you should check with the National Guard before you make any partisan accusations. This is from a DoD press release:
I spent 12 years in the NC Na
May 8, 2007 - 11:26 ET by ricklailI spent 12 years in the NC National Guard a long time ago. None of our equipment had State of North Carolina on it. I don't ever recall getting a check from the state for my weekends or 2 weeks of annual training. The equipment in the units that I was in wouldn't have done anybody any good. What are you going to do with a M113 personnel carrier or a self propelled howitzer?
Granted, we did have some jeeps, but because we were mechanized those were few. We pulled riot duty several times in this state. All the equipment we had was our weapons, M14, and the gas masks. We normally set up check points with the local police and manned them.
Unless the state of Kansas had some engineer units, there is not much any of the infantry, armor or artillery units could do except patrol on foot or search for survivors. They don't have the power of arrest so they couldn't do anything about looters.
Most guard units don't train for stuff like this. They train to destroy and kill.
I am sure that the our governor would loan her some Abram's tanks or Paladins if she wants to blow the mess up.
A bonafided and certified member of the beer guzzling, NASCAR watching middle class.