PBS Host Thundered: 'Why Shouldn't We Be Outraged' At George Bush?

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Here is the kind of debate that's common on taxpayer-subsidized PBS: two liberals arguing over the right degree of rage over President Bush on Iraq. Should it be white hot? Or just hot enough that you don't burn your mouth on it? On Thursday night's edition of his eponymous show, Tavis Smiley interviewed Washington Post columnist David Ignatius.

Ignatius worried out loud about finding some degree of national unity in the Iraq end game, and suggested Bush hatred is running contrary to the national interest: "People are so angry in Washington. The debate is so intense that I just worry that we're just slipping a gear as a country. People are almost so angry at George Bush that they want to see this thing fail to spite him, and that should be. That's wrong." Smiley tried to suggest he was asking "devil's advocate" questions, but his angry tone and finger-pointing body language gave his personal opinion away:

SMILEY: Far be it for me to argue with you, but let me just take the devil's advocate position on this, just to press you a little bit more on this. Why shouldn't we be outraged? Why shouldn't we be angry with George Bush?

IGNATIUS: We should be...

SMILEY: Why shouldn't this be the issue around which we will throw down a gauntlet and be angry? We're losing lives every day, why not this, if any issue, to be just outraged about?

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IGNATIUS: We should be outraged. What's happening in our country now is a tragedy, and what's happening to people in Iraq is a tragedy. The question, Tavis, to me is what are we going to do with this? We have made terrible mistakes. How are we going to undo them to the extent we can? How are we going to get through this period without doing even more damage to ourselves and the people we naively came and tried to help?

SMILEY: But David, we -

IGNATIUS: What's the way to do that?

SMILEY: But we didn't make those mistakes. George Bush and his administration made those mistakes. So, how do you hold a guy accountable when you send him legislation, he vetoes it, sends it back, and says, "I dare you to override it?"

IGNATIUS: Well, look at the November elections; you see how you hold him accountable. We have a Democratic Congress now, and we have some powerful Democratic candidates, and I'd be surprised if a Democrat isn't elected in 2008. But there is a separate question, which is you know, how do we protect our country's interests, which transcend George Bush, which transcend this group?

I mean, they led us into this terrible situation, but it is ours to deal with. What's the right way to deal with it? I've heard from an Arab ambassador something I want to share with you which really stuck with me. I heard this a couple weeks ago. He said, "There are two kinds of landmines. One that detonates when you step on it, and the other that detonates when you take your foot off. Which kind is Iraq?"

It's probably both, but if it's in part the kind that detonates when you take your foot off, we as a country -- put aside George Bush and this cast around him -- we as a country have to think really carefully: how do we do this in a way we don't hurt ourselves even more? That's all I'm saying.

To prove that Tavis Smiley is channeling his own opinions, and not just playing a role of devil's advocate, look to the evening before, when his guest was California Democrat Congressman Tom Lantos. Did he ask him questions from the Republican side of the aisle? No. He was angry at the Bush veto of a timetable, and banged away at Team Bush for allegedly ruining America's global image:

Tell me what your thoughts are, Congressman, on what the image of America is to the world tonight. Many of you on Capitol Hill have been concerned about this image, so now what the world sees is that Congress says one thing, sends it to the president, he vetoes it, but the House that represents the people doesn't have the power to check the president. Talk to me about that in terms of our image around the world....do you think that the damage done to the image of this country by this administration is irreparable?

Lantos said no, but the image repair job will take a long time. Perhaps Lantos looks back to the heights of prestige America had when Jimmy Carter was bungling through the Iranian hostage crisis? Or when Bill Clinton did nothing while terrorists blew up our embassies and soldiers? Smiley wouldn't be caught anywhere near that neighborhood of questioning.

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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Travis Smiley...ugh. He's sti

Travis Smiley...ugh. He's still around?

If our tax money is going to be used to fund a tv channel instead of showing drivel like this can't they at least show something entertaining? Like old episodes of "Sanford and Son" or something.

Yeah. He's also an anti-semit

Yeah. He's also an anti-semitic pr*ck.

BDS

Bush Derangement Syndrome is alive and well.

Any relation to Stuart?

Any relation to Stuart?

PBS

Why can't these people  see the situation we would  be in if GWB hadn't taken the strong  actions that he has?? They must be so blinded by their hatred that they can't see the facts. I believe we're much better off fighting this battle on their soil, but also believe  unfortunatly that it's only a matter of time before one of these nuts slip into our country and strikes taking countless inocents with him!

The problem many people have

The problem many people have with President Bush is not that he took strong action (at least in Afganistan), but that he did so so incompetently. As a result of this incompetence, America is weaker, our military exhausted, our standing internationally discredited, and our enemies stronger. Gee, what a mystery that Americans blame the man who's responsible. After all, and after all his efforts to try to dodge it, the buck does stop at his desk.

I'm a Republican's Republican, not some wannabe-come-lately who has no clue what this great party has stood for since the days of Lincoln, and I think GWB is the worst thing that has ever happened to the party, or to America.

And as for the "fight them in Iraq or fight them in America," that piece of pap didn't sell the first time around, in Viet Nam.

You fool NO ONE Curious.

Well maybe you are a republican, but you're sure as heck no thinker. You think you speak for america, this is a typical liberal sickness, you suffer from BDS (bush derangement syndrome), another common liberal affliction, and you're unable to recall a period in history before GWB commonly know as HISTORY!!! Drop the silly pretense and really consider your words. Bush, is no waffler, that's hard for the spineless to watch. They can't understand that no war goes according to plan. We've enjoyed safety for a season because he's willing to snub his nose at your ilk, which I thank him for. I, as a conservative, just wish he'd be smarter with money and tougher on liberals. And lastly as for your whole "international standing" junk, when did we enter a popularity contest? Seriously, how long are you lib-tards going to keep pretending to be conservative/former repubs?

Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. Talk sense to a
liberal and he calls you a racist, sexist, biggot, homophobe, denier.

Talk sense to a fool, and he

Talk sense to a fool, and he calls you foolish. So true.

"GWB is the worst thin

"GWB is the worst thing that has ever happened to the party, or to America."

That line is a sure giveaway for a liberal BDS infected moonbat. You have either bought the BS on the nightly news --hook line and sinker ,or you are a died in the wool liberal. Can you name ONE thing GWB has done right? I'll bet not....

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

GWB????

Sorry, I tuned in late. Is that Global Warming Bore????

I still stand with GW on Iraq--he keeps us safe!!!

nope, it's dubya we're talk

nope, it's dubya we're talkin about.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Why is any criticism of GWB

Why is any criticism of GWB here always greeted with accusations that the critic must be a liberal moonbat? Do you assume that Republicans can't think for themselves, or is it that you can't.

The Republican party I was raised within, and that my grandfathers and their fathers believed in, essentially stood for individual liberty, limited govt, fiscal responsibility, a strong military and a cautious foreign policy. Now take a minute and consider GWB's record. Done? Who's the Republican here. And I haven't even mentioned the rule of law, which I consider, along with likely every Founder, the most important writ upon which our country was founded. Now consider that the AG of this administration doesn't think that habeas corpus is important to the Constitution, that American citizens don't necessarily have a right to a trial by their peers, or that executive officials, even where time isn't a constraint, don't necessarily have to get a judicial warrent before they invade a citizen's privacy.

I'm sorry, but it's because I'm a Republican that this President not only embarrasses me politically, but he scares the crap out of me as well. And the type of Republican I was raised to be didn't include blind subserviance to any man, only that I stand for and defend my party's core principles, which I was taught were the same as those of my country.

As to whether there is anything good I can say about GWB: well, I liked him and what he said when he ran in 2000. He ran as a Republican. Remember how he condemned the Democrats for their nation building efforts, or how he promised to restore integrity in both the White House and in govt? It's a shame he never walked the talk.

And since he's been president, I liked many of his initial appointments, such as Paul O'Neil and Colin Powell (and even initially, Don Rumsfeld); I approved of his education legislation (which he never bothered to fund) and his efforts to use private charities as alternative social service providers (another effort he seriously underfunded...think of Diliou's (?) resignation); and, finally, though not exhaustively, I strongly supported his invasion of Afganistan in order to punish the terrorists who had actually attacked our country (another effort he failed to follow through on). 

You just haven't been paying attention around here

Why is any criticism of GWB here always greeted with accusations that the critic must be a liberal moonbat?

That isn't the case. I have repeatedly criticised Bush(43) for failing to secure the border, and never once received any criticism.

Your comments give you & your motives away. "any criticism" "always" You just haven't been paying attention around here . . . FatesWeb. Or should I call you RHayes?

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
"George W. Bush simply reminds leftists everyday what they will never be. And they hate him for it." --Tammy Bruce

Apparentely this person can't

Apparentely this person can't tell the difference between criticizing Bush ("Bush made a mistake doing that") and unhinged and deranged ranting ("Bush is a facist who causes tornadoes and eat babies"). Not uncommon among those of that ilk. 

zf - an interesting thought

I have a special radio.. It receives moonbat signals. I just learned from this radio that GW Bush and Dick Cheney are the sources behind the disappearance of the honey bees. It is said that a ranch in Crawford Texas has a buzzing sound so loud that neighbors keep thinking there are helicopters overhead. The rumor is that it is a misguided attempt to decrease the pollination of corn crops, so that the production of ethanol will not impact Cheney and Bush's friends' oil prices.

I will continue to monitor the station. I get much better reception when I have my tinfoil hat on.

curious,what about Roberts an

curious,

what about Roberts and Alito?

Supreme Court,  National Security,  Borders,  Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.   

curious- you and goldwater

curious- you and goldwater are funny. We see right through you. You are no Republican; if you were you would be complaining about what the Democrats are doing because they are outrageous and more radical left than they have ever been.

I think its about twent

I think its about twenty years beyond the time to permanently yank all public funding from both the Proletariat Broadcasting Service as well as National Proletariat Radio.

Enough, as they say, is enough!

This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.-
Neal Boortz.

It is bad enough that C-Span

It is bad enough that C-Span keeps showing his outrageous leftist black spin on every single year ad nauseum, now he is being funded by PBS...which means us. Didn't he just lose his job on NPR and BET or some such....man who really listens to this leftist jackal.

I detest this over-rated, fast talking spinning salesman, that is all he has ever been and ever will be.

I am surprised about Ignatius...that's twice recently, that I have agreed with him.

But heck, it is just plain common sense anyway.

Everyone should be outraged a

Everyone should be outraged at the incompetence of this president! He is going to go down as the worst ever.

You sound like my wife and ou

You sound like my wife and our neighbor, as recently as this evening. gwf, could you pull a country out of a serious depression/ ression after a 911 style attack? I thought naught, you're just a liberal troll with no ideas.

Go on back to the KOS underground where you belong!

Last post to you, lib!

"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."

Obviously I'm not a liberal,

Obviously I'm not a liberal, JAB. Check out my Username! Anyway, What is liberal about pointing out Bush's incompetence?

goldwater- we all know you

goldwater- we all know you are a liberal. You are not fooling anyone but yourself. If you have to lie about what you are you can't be too confident that your beliefs are correct. No conservative would say Bush is the worst President ever.

Of Course You Are

Dee, I think it's just Baracus, re-incarnated with a new Alias.

Free - isn't it sad that th

Free - isn't it sad that their arguments are so weak that they have to pretend to be conservative to hope they will resonate?

Their talking points run ou

Their talking points run out of steam pretty fast, so I guess they have to improvise. And they usually do a poor job at it.

GW approval ratings

I know how many folks on this board feel about polls, but when the Presidents approval ratings are at only 28%, there must be distention amongst even the most hardcore Republican faithful. I don't know how hardcore goldwaterfan and curious are but they are examples of some republicans disapproval of Bush.

Sorry shawn - not even clos

Sorry shawn - not even close. The people who wish wash back and forth and are easily manipulated by the media are not the type that come to political blogs. Political junkies come here. It's obvious they are liberals and you probably are too. I don't know yet but it's easy enough to tell. The low numbers for the President in conservative ranks are for is immigration and domestic spending.

Dee Bunk

Dee Bunk I have never tried to hide the fact that I swing left on certain issues. I am also a person that criticizes the Democratic Congress for wanting to put a pullout date along with the bill that funds our troops. I believe overall I am a fair person. I am not the biggest fan of Bush, but at the same time he is not the monster liberals make him out to be.

I am just wondering Dee why would a Republican that that does not approve of the President not visit a political Blog?. Are they less patriotic if they do not agree with everything the GOP does?

No shawn - I didn't say any

No shawn - I didn't say anything like that. How you got that from what I said is mind boggling. My point is that it just isn't likely for people who are passionate about their politics to be more upset with Bush than they are with the Democrats if they are conservative. I'm not saying the wishy washy people aren't patriotic at all. They are just not informed and are easily led by the media.

Political junkies come

Political junkies come here. It's obvious they are liberals and you probably are too.

Okay so exactly what did you say? Okay so you are not questioning their patriotism but anybody Republican that does not a agree with Bush is a closet liberal?

No - I don't agree with Bus

No - I don't agree with Bush on everything. People who Hate Bush are liberals.

There is a difference between

There is a difference between DISAGREEING with President Bush and spending every waking hour (and probably even dreaming in one's sleep) about how much one HATES President Bush.

Am I a fan of everything Bush has done? Not at all. I'll bet just about everyone here on these boards can produce an entire list of disagreements they have with what Bush has done, what he stands for. But unlike the loonies such as Sean Penn, Rosie O'Donnell, et al, we do not rave on and on about how he is the most evil man to ever exist. We may fume at the particular things we disagree with him about, but we still respect him as our president.

And, believe it or not, even though we had PLENTY of disagreements with Clinton, we still acknowledged him as our president, as well. Even during and after the impeachment process. Although some non-conservatives would probably think otherwise, the impeachment process against Clinton was NOT driven by hatred towards him.

George W. Bush is not a full-fledged conservative, but I still support his presidency. I'd rather have him as president than ANY of the Democrats.
Merry Christmas 2007.

Dee -you are too kind--

Dee -you are too kind--there are a large number of Americans out there who don't know their butts from their elbows. Some of it is because the daily requirements of living, working and raising a family as we all know, are quite time consuming. BUT If a lot of people would get off their lazy mental butts and watch a news show or a documentary. Look at both sides of an issue for a lousy two hours a week instead of the "Great Race" (I don't know--is that the name of a show??) or something like that, then they could form an educated opinion. The MSM knows that if they tell the same lie often enough, America will believe it.

Thye sit there and "hate" the Prsident. They do not have a single clue as to what is really happening in Iraq. They hear that some Americans and a lot of Iraqis got killed. That fits into their attention span of three minutes, andd of course death is not good. So --not good-death-Bush. A great syllogism. All thanks to the MSM. Well not ALL, Bush and Cheney left their equipment hanging on the barbed wire when they jumped the fence. No enforcement of the Logan Act. God help us, if I were your President there would be warrants waiting for her when she got off the plane.

Nuff--I am starting to get too angry to sleep.

Sorry mrbill - I hear you -

Sorry mrbill - I hear you - believe me. I know so many people who get their world view from watching Oprah and it's scary. I don't get as angry as I used to, it doesn't affect my sleep, but I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone. It's unbelievable what this Dem Congress is doing.

I wish I could think of something funny for you to think about to fall asleep but I'm too tired. Oh - no one ever saw my Daily show video that I posted in the forum section. It's really funny. Stuart was making fun of the Richard Gere thing. It's at the end of that thread on Gere if you want a laugh. See you next time.

I sat back, thought about our troops--

I sat back, thought about our troops--what they are doing now, which of them is in  harm's way and a poem came to mind. I posted it in the Open Thread.

Goodnight. I can sleep now.

Where’s the coward that would not dare to fight for such a land?  And the parent that wouldn't be honored by the sacrifice?

Sir  Walter Scott & Noel Sheppard

shawn I am going to add my two cents--

No there is nothing wrong with a conservative not blogging. No they are no less patriotiic by not blogging. No I far from agree with everything President Bush has done, is doing and wants to do. All that said, I am convinced that the Empire State Building, Washington Monumant and a few other structures are still standing because of the President and his awareness of the dangers of Islamic extremists.

I am at the other end of the pole from the President in matters of immigration. Immigration is the second greatest issue we are encountering at this time. It is so overshadowed by the danger of terrorosm, that I will ride Bush's bus to the end of the line.

Now , a personal observation. When you first came to this site, you were nowhere as reasonable as you have become in the past few weeks. I usually did not respond to your posts. Now you seem to be approaching things  from a reasonable debating point. You are getting less acrimony in your responses from conservative NBers and more logical rebuttals when there is disagreement.

Now a lofty soap box opinion. I have been around for a large number of years. I have voted in 13 Presidential elections. I vote for the person not for the party. I am a conservative. I get very upset with the tinfoil conspiracy theories. Not only are they insane, but if they were ever true, I would want to die because this would no longer be America. My sanity requires it to be false.  I sincerely believe in my heart of hearts that Liberals (please note the big L) are going to destroy America. I did not put my life on the line for this country for a bunch of idealistic fools to give my country away. The problems are getting so severe that I believe another civil war is  not out of the question. I am sure you know where I will be standing when that day comes.

No one has the right to give away what other Americans gave or risked their lives to retain. Not even our sitting President.

<Soap box off>.

Thx misterbill

    Thx for kind words misterbill. Time to go to bed. Good night.

PS

I really like your poetry and poems keep em coming.

Thank you, young sir.

Thank you, young sir. That was very kind of you.

Dee, Based just on the Iraq i

Dee, Based just on the Iraq invasion. Bush could be the worst president ever, and many conservatives agree. Invading Iraq was the worst foreign policy decision in this nation's history, and will haunt us for years, if not decades to come.

yellowwater

I do think Dee busted you above. I was on my way to bed and did a quick drive through. You remind me of an old C&W song  "You can't hide your lyin' eyes". Move on slick, you are as transparent as glass.

PS Even tho I voted for him, can you honestly say that Carter was not the worst President of modern times?????

Where’s the coward that would not dare to fight for such a land?  And the parent that wouldn't be honored by the sacrifice?

Sir  Walter Scott & Noel Sheppard

hey Mr.Bill -spoken like a

hey Mr.Bill -spoken like a real conservative!

It takes courage to--

It takes courage to--admit I voted for Carter. That was before the attack of the mad, swimming bunny rabbit.

Yes it does brave Mr. Bill.

Yes it does brave Mr. Bill. I don't know if I could admit it. Luckily I was too young to vote because I'm from a politically active Democrat family and who knows what I would have done.

I voted for Perot the first time and that is embarrassing enough.

dee I voted for Perot too.

dee  I voted for Perot  too. I knew quite a bit about him. He started in the comapny I spent my career with. I was in my "America needs a businessman as a leader phase". So shoot me. Don't give up. We'll get it right yet.

Also, I am dead seriouds about needing an iron-fisted President who will act with absolute strength to get us back on track.

Mr. Bill - that was my prob

Mr. Bill - that was my problem too. I liked his business sense and I thought the way he rescued his employee's was really cool. Then he went all crazy with his NAFTA talk and started losing it with reporters. I still think he's probably a good man. Unfortunately you do have to be a politician to be President. I think that is part of Bush's problem. He's not enough of a politician.

goldwaterfake -Of course th

goldwaterfake -Of course that is what liberals like you think. You are not going to get any respect here pretending to be what we all know you are not. Please grow a pair and fess up if you really want to debate.

Conservatives think that the Democrats and the Press encouraging the terrorists is the worst thing any political party or press organization has ever done and will haunt us for decades to come.

Iraq is Bush's legacy and he

Iraq is Bush's legacy and he will be judged by that. It was huge mistake. That is not a liberal position, so quit calling me one.

If it quacks like a duck...

If it quacks like a duck.....

Iraq is Bush's legacy and he

Iraq is Bush's legacy and he will be judged by that. It was huge mistake. That is not a liberal position, so quit calling me one.

and looks like a duck ....

and looks like a duck ....

Dee,  you caught me. I'm jus

Dee,  you caught me. I'm just a crazy liberal like Barry Golwater or Ronald Reagan!

Goldwater and Reagan would

Goldwater and Reagan would be way too upset with what the Democrats are doing to complain about Bush. I know, I caught you. It's sad if you have even fooled yourself.

Goldwater and Reagan would ha

Goldwater and Reagan would have never invaded Iraq. They are true conservatives.

How do you know what Goldwa

How do you know what Goldwater and Reagan would have done? How does deciding to invade Iraq or not determine whether someone is a true conservative?

You just don't make sense.

They were both smart for one

They were both smart for one thing. The Iraq invasion was dumb and unnecessary. They wouldn't have fallen for the neocon BS.

Goldwaterpretender - Neocon

Goldwaterpretender - Neocon BS? Is that more conservative wisdom? What about the liberal B.S? You know, the Clintons who supported it and had inside knowledge? What about all the other Democrats who supported it? What about Cheney - is he a Neocon? Is Rumsfield a Neocon? Is Rice a Neocon? Do you know what a Neocon is? Liberals, who don't even know what it means, like to throw the term neocon around. Conservatives don't really use it and we know what it means. You are so obvious.

I checked goldwaters prior comments

I checked goldwaterfan's prior comments. In the two that showed up, he said Ann Coulter always lies, and didn't back it up when asked. His other comment called the Catholic commentator Bill Donahue the equivalent of a holocaust denier and a Mein Kampf lackey.

 I guess one of the best things about this site is the ability to see what the babbling liberal faux conservos spewed prior before coming in again weeks later and making another go of it.

Thanks for distorting my comm

Thanks for distorting my comments SP, and by way I'm a she not a he. Please stop distorting my gender. OK.

Born in Phoenix, 1952, and gr

Born in Phoenix, 1952, and grew up around Senator Goldwater and his politics.  Whether or not the Senator would agree with the President's Iraq policy, there is No doubt he would respect GWB's steadfast nature.  And your suppositions as to how Senator Goldwater or President Reagan would or would not direct post-September 11 foreign policy....  Who could possibly know.

But you are right that Iraq is George Bush’s legacy, and he will be judged by that.  Huge mistake…. maybe, maybe not….  Can’t you see that you’re being slightly presumptuous?  Let’s leave the verdict to a future generation of historians.

 

You're a liar goldwaterfan

You're a liar goldwaterfan, your two statements IN FULL :

February 14th 2007 04:28
I'm not going to defend the comments made by the bloggers, They were disturbing. I just don't see how all of you have given this jerk Bill Donahue a pass for the anti-semitic comments he has made in the past. They were far worse than what these women said. His views could have been taken straight out of Mein Kampf.

April 3rd 2007 21:24
Ann Coulter doesn't back up her statements! She lies all the time.
______________________________________

Nice try, maybe next time liar.

SP, I don't deny posting thos

SP, I don't deny posting those two statements. They are both factual. The way you phrased my comments previously was innacurate. Quit your childish name calling.  Grow up and get a life.

While I was out today, anot

While I was out today, another driver saw my "retired Navy" and "W'04" stickers, and asked me if I would now vote again for Bush if I knew how today's situation would be. I said yes. I wish I had asked him who my alternate vote would be -- I certainly would never have voted for Gore or Kerry.

Lee T.

U.S. Navy (ret.) / Vancouver, Washington

The history of the race, and each individual's experience, are thick with evidence that a truth is not hard to kill and that a lie told well is immortal.-- Mark Twain