As NewsBusters reported Thursday, a goodly number of fallacies about the Kyoto Protocol were identified in Glenn Beck’s “Exposed: The Climate of Fear” special presented on CNN Headline News Wednesday. Not the least of these was that soon-to-be-Dr. Al Gore himself stated when he was Vice President that this treaty would not be submitted to Congress for ratification “until there`s meaningful participation by key developing nations.”
However, there are two other important issues that skeptics raise which the media generally ignore:
- If America participated in Kyoto and met the treaty’s targets, virtually nothing would be accomplished as it pertains to climate change
- Moneys and energies allocated to address global warming could be better spent to solve more pressing international maladies.
With that in mind, Beck interviewed Danish political scientist Bjorn Lomborg, and asked this pivotal question that Gore and his sycophant followers never want answered:
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[A]s a guy who believes in manmade global warming, why don`t you think Kyoto is the solution?
What followed was the dirty little secret the alarmists don’t want anybody to know:
Kyoto is, at the same time, impossibly ambitious and yet entirely inconsequential when you talk about the environment. It will cost lots of money and end up doing virtually no good… It will basically postpone global warming for about five years at the end of the century.
That set up this marvelous exchange about what other pressing problems are facing the planet, and how all this global warming discussion is unnecessarily diverting attention:
BECK: Let me play devil`s advocate here. Al Gore has made mention of malaria a lot. Some people say we could save 100,000 people on malaria alone if we do something about global warming. Why wouldn`t we save 100,000 people?
LOMBORG: We could probably save about 85 million people from malaria if we did something about malaria. These people are suffering right now.
Why is it we`re talking about making very expensive moves doing virtually no good 100 years from now when there are real people that we can really save very cheaply from malaria right now?
Good questions, yes? Wouldn’t it be nice if Gore’s followers in the media actually asked him similar questions rather than declaring him one of the most influential “scientists and thinkers” on the face of the planet?
Regardless of the answer, Lomborg had much more to say on this issue:
BECK: OK. You started something called the Copenhagen Consensus, and this was a group of experts from the U.N., economists, et cetera, et cetera, and you prioritized all of the world`s biggest problems and where we would be most effective in spending our money. AIDS was number one, right?
LOMBORG: Yes, and basically the point is again to say we have a tendency to bark up the wrong tree. We worry intensely about climate change, but the point is we can do very little good at very high cost.
Let`s focus on where we can actually do a lot of good. If we care about this planet, if we care about its environment, shouldn`t we do where we can do the most good first?
What these Nobel laureates basically told us if we spend our money on HIV/AIDS, we can do $40 word of good for every dollar. If we spend it on Kyoto, we can only do 30 cents. Let`s do the $40 first.
Get the point? This group of Nobel laureates concluded that $40 worth of good could be accomplished with every dollar we spend on AIDS as opposed to 30 cents for every dollar we spend trying to hit Kyoto targets.
Of course, we shouldn’t be surprised that liberal media elites don’t understand the economics involved, nor that they don't care when the agenda is clearly more important than actually solving problems.
Recognizing the obvious absurdity, Beck asked Lomborg what the top five issues on these laureates’ list were, and where global warming fell:
Basically what they told us was it was HIV/AIDS, malnutrition, free trade, malaria and agricultural research. Those are things that we can do cheaply and do an immense amount of impact in this world right now and also for future generations.
Kyoto came down at the bottom. Not because climate change is not real, but simply because the way we tackled it through Kyoto is very expensive and a very poor way of helping the world.
Think this will be the topic of discussion at a media outlet near you any time soon?
What follows is a partial transcript of this segment.
GLENN BECK, HOST: Well, when Al Gore testified before Congress on global warming just a couple of months ago it was a media circus, but also testifying that day without any fanfare or really any coverage was Bjorn Lomborg. He`s the author of the best-selling book "The Skeptical Environmentalist". He`s an expert on the economic impact of global warming.
Bjorn, you`re not a scientist, you`re a political scientist, so I`m not going to ask any science questions. I want to ask you, as a guy who believes in manmade global warming, why don`t you think Kyoto is the solution?
BJORN LOMBORG, AUTHOR, "THE SKEPTICAL ENVIRONMENTALIST`S GUIDE": Well, essentially exactly because of what you showed in the clip. Kyoto is, at the same time, impossibly ambitious and yet entirely inconsequential when you talk about the environment. It will cost lots of money and end up doing virtually no good. That`s not a good deal.
BECK: Let me -- let me show the chart.
LOMBORG: What we need to look at is to try to find smarter ways.
BECK: This is the chart. This is the impact of Kyoto here on this chart, compared to if we do nothing?
LOMBORG: Yes. Basically no change. It will basically postpone global warming for about five years at the end of the century.
BECK: OK. Let me...
LOMBORG: That`s not a very good deal.
BECK: Let me play devil`s advocate here. Al Gore has made mention of malaria a lot. Some people say we could save 100,000 people on malaria alone if we do something about global warming. Why wouldn`t we save 100,000 people?
LOMBORG: We could probably save about 85 million people from malaria if we did something about malaria. These people are suffering right now.
Why is it we`re talking about making very expensive moves doing virtually no good 100 years from now when there are real people that we can really save very cheaply from malaria right now?
BECK: OK. We just had a situation -- I don`t remember when it was -- just a few years ago, where we had a massive heat wave in Europe. Thirty- five thousand people in France alone died. Another 2,000 people died from this heat wave in England.
If we don`t stop global warming, won`t things just get worse and worse and more people will die just from -- from the heat?
LOMBORG: Glenn, that`s exactly true and that`s, of course, what Al Gores tells us. With global warming you`re going to see more heat deaths, but what most people don`t tell us is we`re also going to see much less cold deaths.
And actually, many more people die from cold than from heat, so for England alone you mentioned the number 2,000 people. Actually that`s what we expect will die from more heat waves in 2080, but what we have to remember is that 20,000 fewer will die from cold each year in 2080.
Now I`m not sitting and saying we should go for global warming, but I`m saying we need to know both.
BECK: OK. You started something called the Copenhagen Consensus, and this was a group of experts from the U.N., economists, et cetera, et cetera, and you prioritized all of the world`s biggest problems and where we would be most effective in spending our money. AIDS was number one, right?
LOMBORG: Yes, and basically the point is again to say we have a tendency to bark up the wrong tree. We worry intensely about climate change, but the point is we can do very little good at very high cost.
Let`s focus on where we can actually do a lot of good. If we care about this planet, if we care about its environment, shouldn`t we do where we can do the most good first?
What these Nobel laureates basically told us if we spend our money on HIV/AIDS, we can do $40 word of good for every dollar. If we spend it on Kyoto, we can only do 30 cents. Let`s do the $40 first.
BECK: Give me -- give me the top five quickly, and where does global warming fall in this list?
LOMBORG: Basically what they told us was it was HIV/AIDS, malnutrition, free trade, malaria and agricultural research. Those are things that we can do cheaply and do an immense amount of impact in this world right now and also for future generations.
Kyoto came down at the bottom. Not because climate change is not real, but simply because the way we tackled it through Kyoto is very expensive and a very poor way of helping the world.
BECK: Bjorn, thanks.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.
















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Not only do they "bark u
May 4, 2007 - 17:52 ET by mattmNot only do they "bark up the wrong tree," they also start in with their (always socialistic) solutions before they know, if there even is a problem, what it is and what causes it and whether it can be solved by their prescriptions.
AIDS can be solved through proper sexual behavior - an alien concept to libs. Malaria can be solved by DDT - Sacrelige! Environmental issues can be solved by capitalistic concepts such as ownership, profit motive and stewardship - Heresy!
It's a good story, but, sadly, it misses the point- which is that even if libs did focus on "things we can actually do something about," they won't do what works anyway.
Is global warming a bad thing?
May 4, 2007 - 17:58 ET by redtailThis is where I'm mystified. A warmer planet may be a good thing.
Yes, it is. In terms of vi
May 5, 2007 - 02:35 ET by MilesDYes, it is. In terms of violent hemispherical storms (typhoon, hurricane) this about the only generalization that can be made: If the differences in temperatures (and so localized severe drops in pressure) between the poles and the equator is smaller, then fewer violent storms would be expected.
This is opposite to the earlier claims (global warming=worse storms) and a revised claim (basically no relation between global warming and hemispherical storms).
Yeah, um, this is NOT someone
May 4, 2007 - 18:21 ET by ferrarimanf355Yeah, um, this is NOT someone you want on your side, not with the sloppy research he's done...
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000F3D47-C6D2-1CEB-93F6809EC5880000
Uzumaki/Ayanami '08. Because a ninja and an Eva pilot can govern the nation better that what we have now...
Lomberg destroyed that arti
May 4, 2007 - 20:50 ET by PSOSLomberg destroyed that article in a critique and was threatened by Scientific American with a lawsuit for his trouble.
Malaria - Bush vs. Global Warming
May 4, 2007 - 19:25 ET by Gary HallNoel, sometimes it's just so in ones face. You noted:
Meanwhile, so unknown to the public because of an unwilling media:
Surprise - surprise. While the alarmists are running around with their heads under water yelling fire, President Bush is doing something that will address the problem of malaria - immediately.
Or - we could change to fluorescent light bulbs and see if that works.
Meanwhile, the woman who wrot
May 5, 2007 - 08:30 ET by Roger the ShrubberMeanwhile, the woman who wrote the fiction that got DDT removed from saving millions of lives gets a bridge named after her in Pittsburgh, and is held up as a hero in the area.
The Democrat's plan is better--
May 5, 2007 - 18:32 ET by misterbillThe Democrat's plan is better--they will make malaria illegal. Then they will create a whole new government department which will sit in various parts of the country to make sure no A. aegypti skeeters come across our borders. These jobs will, of course, be filled by their relatives.
The climate warms and the climate cools
May 4, 2007 - 21:07 ET by c5thenWelcome to planet Earth!
All the hooplah over "Global Warming", or "Climate Change" (just in case they're wrong on the direction) is not and never has been about fixing the problem, or getting ready for the effects. It's about profiteering from the issue.
Wow. Al Gore says Kyoto won
May 4, 2007 - 22:00 ET by dahliatraversWow. Al Gore says Kyoto won't work. And a group of Nobel laureates agrees. Good job, Glenn.
I've got three little letters
May 4, 2007 - 22:14 ET by Scout FinchI've got three little letters for Al and his 'concern' for malaria................DDT.
Thank God there's a voice of
May 5, 2007 - 01:25 ET by SnowWhiteThank God there's a voice of truth, reason & sanity on the subject of AGW. Frankly, I am beginning to hate these phony liars who insist on pushing their fear-inducing bullcrap on the world for their own gain. Algore had the gall to call Canada's green plan a "fraud". This coming from the biggest FRAUD of the century! Typical arrogant left-wing hypocrisy! Keep up the good work Glenn!
Many of Gore's claims about
May 5, 2007 - 03:01 ET by MilesDMany of Gore's claims about the benefits of "fixing" global warming came out (or paralled) Sir Nicholas Stern's report to the Prime Minister on the economic benefits of "reducing CO2 in the atmosphere" and many of the ideas were actually debunked by his own economic staff (rebelling against things they never claimed).
To my knowledge, the UNESCO position on disease in areas such as sub-Saharan Africa, is availability of clean water far tops the list of steps to be taken to reduce mortality. (Incidence of diarrheal disease in children under 5 is unimaginable and almost completely corrected with clean water.) The investment in water treatment, transport and storage would be high to solve the problem (other than just boiling water, this means making a water infrastructure) - but is nothing like the investment of the oil infrastructure of many countries.
In many areas with access to medical care, the incidence of malaria is high, and the mortality is low (such as major cities in Nigeria) because of the availablity of medicine, but everybody's life would be better off from the widespread use of DDT. Or at least malathion, and I don't see why that pesticide is not more widely used.
Education only will arrest HIV/AIDS, I think, and unfortunately there are cultural barriers to the implementation of this solution
In many areas with access to
May 5, 2007 - 10:40 ET by botgIn many areas with access to medical care, the incidence of malaria is high, and the mortality is low (such as major cities in Nigeria) because of the availablity of medicine but everybody's life would be better off from the widespread use of DDT.
And what about the difference in cost, both monetary and time invested between DDT and the heath care? Seems that could be used elsewhere, either for clinics in remote areas or for developing water treatment.
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmous test for President.
Malaria is seasonal, endemi
May 5, 2007 - 15:43 ET by MilesDMalaria is seasonal, endemic, and not eradicated by mosquito control alone. DDT will help, but the disease will still be present, and better medical care will have an equal effect on mortality rates I think.
Paul Reiter (Pasteur Institute, Paris) was the chair of IPCC for a period, and he quit, when IPCC claimed that contolling climate change by warming would reduce malaria. He showed the claim was bunk, because the pattern of the disease was much more influenced by such as things as local ecology, than by climate (climate was a small, if measurable, influence). Reiter's name was attached to IPCC report, and he had to sue to get it off!!!! And he still couldn't get the garbage statements about malaria out of the report!!!
Reiter, and a whole lot of other knowledgeable people, have testified before the Congress on the climate change topic.
One would think that the Congress would arrive at the conclusion that Gore and his ilk was nothing more than a total sham and scheme to defraud the public.
Nope. Albert is given his own coterie of sycophants and exclusive audience to the "lawmakers" .
I get fed up, angry, and write about it every day
Doesn't malathion make deform
May 5, 2007 - 12:12 ET by dahliatraversDoesn't malathion make deformed babies?
dahlia,You're thinking of tha
May 5, 2007 - 12:20 ET by Blondedahlia,
You're thinking of thalydomide, which was given to women in the late fiftes / early sixties to ease morning sickness (IIRC). It caused horrible birth defects, the most common of which was children with tiny arms and claw like hands.
Malathion is an insecticide still in common use, in fact I use it on my orchids to kill scale.
Problem with malathion is h
May 5, 2007 - 12:36 ET by MilesDProblem with malathion is high cost relative to DDT, and duration which is not long. Malathion is sprayed by helicopters or spray trucks in some areas with very bad mosquitoes, but needs treatment almost daily.
DDT effect persits.
Science fact (technical): Thalidomide as produced is a mixture of (two) optical isomers, only one isomer is a teratogen. It was a true cuccess of FDA to identify which one so quickly, although the use of thalidomide at all was stopped.
The other isomer is currently manufacured (either directed synthesis of one isomer only or by separation, which is difficult to complete to optical purity). It finds use in treating leprosy and some forms of sarcoma, used in South Asia almost exclusively. It has been reviewed for use by FDA, athough I think the consensus is there is not compelling need to make its use widespread in the US
Thanks, Miles, for the additi
May 5, 2007 - 15:41 ET by BlondeThanks, Miles, for the additional info.
I can't imagine Malathion used on a wide spread basis, the stuff smells horrible. I always use rubber gloves when I use it....nasty stuff.
Sounds like you're a chemist...what is an optical isomer...in plain English please?
doctor of engineering physi
May 5, 2007 - 16:01 ET by MilesDdoctor of engineering physics, actually, with special emphasis on the atmosphere but undergrad degree in physical chem
Malathion smells bad, makes people sick in big doses inhaled or handled, but is quite safe.
Malathion is acutally related to a group of organic phosphorous chemicals that are weapon nerve gases.
US Army team sent to look for poison weapons in Iraq in the early part of the war found malathion at an agricultural college. A chemical sensor picked it up as possible nerve gas (the sensor can only tell that it is an organic phosphorous compound, doesn't know which one). Army reported to media that nerve gas was possibly found, had to retract the statement.
The Army training in this area to the people sent out to do the work was not very sophisticated at that point (apologies, US Army)
Thanks for the info, Miles.
May 5, 2007 - 19:22 ET by BlondeThanks for the info, Miles. Interesting.
Welcome to the board.
Holy mackeral. Sorry to hea
May 5, 2007 - 15:54 ET by dahliatraversHoly mackeral.
Sorry to hear you get angry, Miles, but I hope you keep writing.
Oh, right, thank you, Blonde
May 5, 2007 - 15:52 ET by dahliatraversOh, right, thank you, Blonde.
THAT'S what thalydomide was given for?! How horribly incongruous.
No no no thalidomide is NOW
May 5, 2007 - 16:11 ET by MilesDNo no no thalidomide is NOW used for its effects to control external tissue damage associated with persistent disease such as cancer but was THEN used to control side effects of morning sickness (it has range of effects on humans).
Optical isomers are forms of chemicals that have the same physical properties and the same chemical composition but a different shape associated with them (your right and left hand have the same physical properties but one is the mirror image of the other and the same analogy holds for optical isomers).
Thanks Miles,Been following y
May 5, 2007 - 19:26 ET by bigtimerThanks Miles,
Been following your posts for quite awhile now...thanks for a wealth of information of how it really is.
well thanks happens when yo
May 5, 2007 - 20:00 ET by MilesDwell thanks happens when you are University professor as long as I have
Gee, some of these places have have made a left turn haven't seen anything like it in a long time, since Viet days
Professors are as left as students on this climate thng - depends on specialty though
Some professor gave a talk about the correct meaning of statistics, and how difficult it is for humans to deal with quantitative evaluation of uncertainty
Faculty chairman praised the lecture and then praised Gore
made no sense
made no sense Lol... How coul
May 5, 2007 - 21:24 ET by bigtimermade no sense
Lol...
How could it?
Just out of curiosity have you heard about the latest from the House on this subject?
I will put a link in for those who may not know...
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070504-123740-8370r.htm
Cute by half....
Lets see...which is more important and imminent?
what are the chances that t
May 5, 2007 - 21:44 ET by MilesDwhat are the chances that the "congress" won't be a copy of the Soviet Politboro in 2008
I keep hoping for some good news. I wish the President would get out there and do some straight talking about "the way the world really works".
Instead he starts talking about vegetable fuel and stuff, and I guess he is trying to show that different things are important to him, but this sort of thing takes him nowhere
and I guess he is trying to s
May 5, 2007 - 21:50 ET by bigtimerand I guess he is trying to show that different things are important to him, but this sort of thing takes him nowhere
....and gets people like me beyond furious.
He quit speaking out on all of this, the real reality of it all about two or more years ago I guess...I have been past disappointed now, I am disgusted.
This all had better come up in the real debates between the dem's and repub's.
Oh, yeah, count on it. Let
May 5, 2007 - 21:58 ET by MilesDOh, yeah, count on it. Let's have some debate!
Unless things change, here is what we in for: Democrat accusing Republican of "demolishing country" over past eight years. Republican, with tissue wiping eyes, claiming "not really responsible for it."
Debate over, and "analysts" claiming no real contest from start
Sorry -- "debate is over"
May 5, 2007 - 19:46 ET by w0tmI watched this Glenn Beck special and the English video he referenced as well as several similar seminars jam-packed with fact-filled (not spun) climate data. That the earth has been in a warming period since 1970 is correct. That it was in a cooling period for 30 years before that is also correct. That the earth went through a "mini-ice age" for 400 years ending in about 1840 is in the charts. That the earth experienced several hundred years of warming far greater than is currently occurring is true. It happened a thousand years ago. It allowed crops to be grown in Greenland and Europe to break out of the Dark Ages. Europe experienced a huge jump in population, increased average live expectancy and many other good things. It's all in climate records from many writings of the time.
CO2 levels lag rather than lead earth's mean temperature and has as far back as ancient ice core and tree ring samples can be examined. That the earth's mean temperature tracks the average temperature of the sun has been unchanged for millions of years. The sun is currently at a sunspot peak not seen in a thousand years (since the last time the earth warmed and warmed much more than today) and Mars and several other planets are warming much more than the earth. 97% of CO2 emissions are not manmade. Trees "pollute" far more than man and don't even mention bovine flatulence!
BUT - all I wrote above, Glenn Beck's TV broadcast and everything else that points to the strong possibility that "Global Warming" is actually "Global BS" is of no use and of no value. I took debate class in college and I know what it means when the judge proclaims "THE DEBATE IS OVER". That's it. Nothing said after the bell can be considered, especially if the debate judge, in this case, is the accepted by consensus world's foremost climatology scientist, Al Gore.
"THE DEBATE IS OVER". So let's move on to something else where we can get out in front first this time and declare "THE DEBATE IS OVER" and win by default as the left has done with this issue. Kind of like calling "you're It!" playing tag during fifth grade recess. The old "A lie repeated often enough becomes the truth" has been replaced by a shortcut - "THE DEBATE IS OVER!" Why the heck didn't we think of that! These liberals are just too damn smart, umm -- by half.
Seriously, I've not heard it mentioned for several years that real astronomers say the earth and our entire solar system has been passing through the debris of a long ago exploded galaxy since about 1840 - when the mini-ice age ended. They say we're almost out of the debris. No, the air will not be any cleaner nor will the stars be brighter. But the several degrees of heat this exploded galaxy has added to our solar system will soon be gone. Plus the 1,000-year super cycle of sunspots peaks then reverses in 2012. What does all that mean? It means the earth's mini-ice age was the beginning of the next Great Ice Age that comes ever 10,000 years but, this time, it has been delayed. Those who pray to the religion of Climate and Global Warming will blame mankind. No, far more likely to be a temporary reprieve some eons ago exploded galaxy gave our solar system and our sun reaching its natural heating and cooling cycle that has gone on for billions of years.
Do you know the premise of the first Earth Day in 1970? Global Cooling! It was on the cover of Time magazine that year so it had to be true. The U.N. even experimented with means to heat the polar ice caps. Fortunately, U.N. scientists were still playing with soot-covered models of the North Pole when the cooling stopped and warming began. What will they do after 2012 when the several major obstacles to the next Great Ice Age all disappear at the same time? Panic, of course, waste more billions of dollars and issue automobile CAFE mileage standards that will be in gallons per mile. And add lots of cows on diets of beans and chili. Yes, lots of cows. May we all be upwind in what the future holds for all of us.
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View http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c to FINALLY understand why liberals think the way they do. This was the most informative 47 minutes I've ever spent. Please -- take the time to view it.
Great post to end my evening!
May 5, 2007 - 22:24 ET by Cape ConservativeGreat post to end my evening! Thanks
Good post, wOtm.The CO2 lags
May 6, 2007 - 09:13 ET by dahliatraversGood post, wOtm.
The CO2 lags warming issue is very interesting. In looking for a response from the other side, I came across this article from realclimate (which is a pro-AGW website). While it provides AN answer on CO2 lagging, it's not altogether definitive, containing as it does one too many "might be"'s. What was fascinating, however, was this statement:
In other words, CO2 does not initiate the warmings, but acts as an amplifier once they are underway.
This appears to seriously undercut the theory of AGW, inasmuch as its premise is that global warming is caused by man putting all this CO2 into the atmosphere. But if CO2 isn't the trigger, man is innocent and suspicion is cast all the more strongly on the sun and possibly that damned exploded galaxy passing through.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=13
These people will say anyth
May 6, 2007 - 11:35 ET by MilesDThese people will say anything at all, contradict themselves in anything, the only thing that gets amplified is their voice.
Why don't they just come out and say it - CO2, coming from fuel, ruins the planet because I said so. We are going to have to take it away from you because I want to. I can get my mesage across because the media helps me do it and there are enough gullable people out there, longing for a hippie lifestyle, who will help me enforce my demands. We need to return to the days of the cave man and that is the end of it