On the heels of his award-winning destruction of Congressman Mark Foley over inappropriate instant messages to teenaged House pages, ABC investigative reporter Brian Ross is on the sex beat again. On Monday's Good Morning America, Ross highlighted ABC’s plans to rummage through a D.C. madam’s list of prostitution clients for "people in the Bush administration." But in 1996, when the tabloid newspaper The Star found Bill Clinton’s chief political guru Dick Morris had a relationship with a prostitute, ABC News (and especially anchor Peter Jennings) found it ugly, distasteful business. On the August 26, 1996 World News Tonight, as President Clinton prepared for his convention’s acceptance speech, Jennings began with a complaining tone:
Good evening, we begin tonight with the sweet and the sour of the Presidential campaign. Here in Chicago today the President has been fine tuning as they say, the speech he will be giving to this convention and to the country tonight. And he has a lot to be pleased about. A very upbeat convention. A very successful train trip here with rising poll numbers to accompany it. And very important set of statistics about the economy today, which he will certainly point to as evidence that the country should re-elect him. And then along comes a nasty little scandal to take the edge off the good news at least for the day. The President’s chief political strategist, a man named Dick Morris, resigned from the campaign today, after a story in a supermarket tabloid that he has been having, he’s a married man, a lengthy relationship with a prostitute and talking about his job.
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Jennings then almost boasted: "This story is uncorroborated by us. But it has certainly been a jolt to the White House." Brit Hume's story spent most of its time on the Morris-Clinton relationship. All it described from the Star story was that it alleged "a year-long relationship with a Washington prostitute whom he allegedly allowed to listen on to calls with the President."
Jennings also pounded home the pro-Clinton points that there was "certainly good news for the president" with new economic growth numbers, and that "The President, by the way, does continue to expand his lead over Bob Dole" to 17 points. From the floor, ABC's political reporters also downplayed any negative effect on the Clinton juggernaut.
Cokie Roberts insisted: "In the long term, as one Senator who talked to the president said to me today, the president asked him do you think it will cost me votes? And the senator said, if Dick Morris were running for office it would cost him votes, he’s not the guy running. And I think that’s right."
Jim Wooten was asked how the convention attendees were feeling: "Oh, I think they’re energized. I think with the exception of this Morris story, this convention has gone exactly as the Democratic planners and the campaign planners wanted it. I thought it was a nifty strategy to have the president out there winding his way along the railroad through three states, three key states while there were events here. I don’t think that anybody here is disappointed with much of anything except that supermarket tabloid story."
ABC pounded the word "tabloid" in all of their coverage (even though Hume noted no one in the Morris or Clinton camps denied the Star story). But now ABC is the "tabloid" outlet on the Call Girl beat. Ross touted his scoop on Monday's Good Morning America about a State Department official who resigned in disgrace, even putting on a prostitute's lobbyist to denigrate him:
BRIAN ROSS: "More names are likely to surface soon. The woman charged with running a high-end escort service in Washington wants to call as witnesses all her prominent clients, including the man who resigned this weekend as the Deputy Secretary of State, Randall Tobias. Tobias confirmed to ABC News that he had been a customer of a Washington, D.C. call girl escort service run by the woman now dubbed the "D.C. madam," Jeanne Palfrey. Palfrey been charged by federal prosecutors with running a prostitution service for 13 years."
JEANNE PALFREY: "You know, Brian, I learned a long time that everybody puts their pants on one leg at a time."
ROSS: "Before he resigned, Tobias had spearheaded the Bush administration's program to crack down on prostitution worldwide. Tobias enforced a controversial policy that cut off U.S. foreign aid to groups that provided condoms to third-world sex workers or helped them in any way."
JUHU THUKRAL (Director, The Sex Workers Project, Urban Justice Center): "Mr. Tobias was enforcing the anti-prostitution pledge and the pledge requires organizations essentially to denounce prostitutes."
ABC went on to dangle the prospect of other prominent Washington names in the madam's records, including "other people in the Bush adminstration," and noted Ross's report will swallow up the entire Friday night edition of 20/20.
ROBIN ROBERTS: "Of course. So who else is on the list?"
ROSS: "Well, it's a long list. We're going through the phone records for the last four years provided to us by Jeanne Palfrey, double-checking the names, and there some very prominent people, lobbyists, lawyers, members of the military, other people in the Bush administration."
ROBERTS: "And we'll be learning more and more about their names. What about the women who worked for the escort service? We understand that had some prominent positions in Washington as well?"
ROSS: "Well, Jeanne Palfrey insisted on very high-end kind of women. These were not street walkers. She insisted they have at least two years of college education. Among the people who worked for her, which we’ve confirmed, several university professors, researchers, scientific researchers with PhDs, a member of the military who was an officer and a legal secretary for a very prominent lawyer in Washington."
This was not the position ABC News pushed in 1996. On the September 2, 1996 World News Tonight, liberal PBS host and former New York Times correspondent Hedrick Smith complained that these kinds of tabloid stories compromised journalism, and Charles Gibson thought they obscured the real issues in America:
HEDRICK SMITH: "We have a problem, though, I think, in the mainstream media, and that is the influence of the tabloids. I mean, here we are, we just had the Dick Morris story, it came out of a tabloid. I mean, go back four years, Gennifer Flowers came out of a tabloid. And then there's the struggle, and I was fascinated, some of your folks let us in on some of your decision-making processes at ABC on how to handle that Gennifer Flowers story. Did you know if it was right? Didn't you know if it was right? When do you run it? How long do you hold? What kind of proof do you have to have? And I think we have a terrible struggle ourselves."
CHARLES GIBSON: "And the tabloid journalism tends to obscure debates about real issues in society."
MRC awarded Hedrick Smith our "Janet Cooke Award" in the October 1996 MediaWatch newsletter for devoting an hour of his four-hour PBS series on The People and The Power Game to "his claim that Bill Clinton has been abused by an uncivil news media."
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center



BRIAN ROSS: "More names are likely to surface soon. The woman charged with running a high-end escort service in Washington wants to call as witnesses all her prominent clients, including the man who resigned this weekend as the Deputy Secretary of State, Randall Tobias. Tobias confirmed to ABC News that he had been a customer of a Washington, D.C. call girl escort service run by the woman now dubbed the "D.C. madam," Jeanne Palfrey. Palfrey been charged by federal prosecutors with running a prostitution service for 13 years." 











Comments Policy
As I was recently admonished
April 30, 2007 - 15:54 ET by mattmAs I was recently admonished by a reporter at my local paper, "don't give me any of that liberal media crap."
And they wonder why we harp on this issue!
Circulation numbers are out.
April 30, 2007 - 16:09 ET by iveseenitallCirculation numbers are out. The "big" newspapers are dropping by the hour. Some of the numbers had to be recalculated from the last time when a couple, such as Newsday in New York, cheated on their reports. I and millions of Americans couldn't care less what the ugly, ratings - driven slimeballs on the T.V. say about anything. They've cried wolf much too often. Guys like Brian Ross and his ilk are buffoons who pretend to be intellectuals. They're as much a comedy act as Rosie. Have a good laugh and change the channel.
BTW, is that a picture of the high school dropout from Canada who told Americans what to think for thirty years?
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
Let the Spin Cycle Begin!! Al
April 30, 2007 - 16:11 ET by Chidi NwachukhuLet the Spin Cycle Begin!!
Also, I am expecting that Rush will be putting the blame for DIck Morris' name getting out squarely in the hands of the Clinton Machine.
It's a long list - these scorned stories
April 30, 2007 - 16:13 ET by Gary HallSex scandals of Democrats, cigar tricks by sitting presidents, campaign funding scandals of D's, convicitons of D's, outrageous act's of the children (or siblings) of D's, expulsion from the country of D's associates and friends, pictures of criminals in the WH with D presidents, bombing of civilians by D's, hyping up intelligence for bombings, voter fraud by D's, subpoenas of D's, pork spending by D's, cover-ups by Ds' of D's -- all the same Tim. not a lot of interest here by the MSM.
Super post - had to be the first comparison that came to my mind.
Expect the emphasis to be o
April 30, 2007 - 20:27 ET by motherbeltExpect the emphasis to be on hypocrisy. Liberals love to point out that Republicans and conservatives talk about morals but often fail to meet their own high standards. The trick, you see, is to not have any morals or standards; that way you can never be called a hypocrite. And if people don't expect much of you, they will never be disappointed.
As a side note, IMO, Morris' biggest mistake was not in seeing a prostitute while married, but in discussing his job with her.
Motherbelt
April 30, 2007 - 22:19 ET by shawn228Hi Motherbelt
I must say that was very insightful. I was just thinky about the hyprocricy. In fact I did a thread on it in the forum section and a few posters on this site actually agreed me. If I found out today that Tony Snow got caught with a prostitute I would be first one defending him . We all have lapses in judgement. What really gets me upset about this situation is we are talking about someone that is the "AIDS czar" He is trying to set an example around the world about how abstinence and being faithful are the best method as oppossed to birth control and abortion. That displays even more hypocricy than AL Gore's energy conservation.
Instead of talking about Dick Morris and the Morally defunct Democrats.. How do you feel about what hte deputy secretary has done, Do you believe him when he said he just got a massage?
Shawn,Try to hide the glee du
April 30, 2007 - 22:59 ET by NeoConfirmedShawn,
Try to hide the glee dude. Doesn't this make you want to vote Republican?
Once again, those who do wrong on our side of aisle resign.
Those on you're side lie until a stained dress is produced.
And even then, they refuse to resign and are immediately forgiven by your party.
Neo,They (those on the other
April 30, 2007 - 23:05 ET by BlondeNeo,
They (those on the other side of the aisle) don't even resign when they have a freezer full of cash!
Nor are they "asked" to resign.
What is wrong with this picture?
Blonde,Even more disturbing t
April 30, 2007 - 23:14 ET by NeoConfirmedBlonde,
Even more disturbing to me is this 'No one is allowed to pass judgement because everyone cheats on their spouse attitude' or my favorite (just quoted predictably by Shawn here) 'What someone does in the privacy of their own bedroom is fine by me' This way of thinking is at the core of the problems in our society.
Neo,"Aids Czar getting c
April 30, 2007 - 23:22 ET by BlondeNeo,
"Aids Czar getting caught having sex with a prostitute" > Al Gore's hypocricy?
Somehow, I dont think so.
Some second tier administration official getting caught with his pants down is hardly a concern of mine. It happens every day. To all kinds of people. So what?
Al Gore's continued blithering idiot rant, which seems to have captured 75% of the American populace, to me, is far, far scarier.
And the press just loves this idiot. Have you seen the "draft Gore" pieces on the news?
Sheesh, I wish someone would just unloose the windbag's knot, let all of that hot air just vanish, like the big hot air baloon that he is.
I am beyond Clinton fatigued, beyond Gore fatigued. Give me a good democrat....someone like Howard Dean, who at least is somewhat amusing.
Blonde
May 1, 2007 - 20:52 ET by shawn228Some second tier administration official getting caught with his pants
down is hardly a concern of mine. It happens every day. To all kinds
of people. So what?
Normally I would agree, however the individual in question is responsible for preaching about keeping pants up to the rest of the world.
shawn,There are a zillion hyp
May 1, 2007 - 21:47 ET by Blondeshawn,
There are a zillion hypocrites in the world. If you let them all bother you, you'd be in a padded room.
Alcee Hastings as Chair of the Ethics Committee (Pelosi's first pick) is a lot more worrisome to me than some guy who got laid. Regardless of what his job was.
Catholic priests abusing young boys (with the Church looking the other way) is something to be more concerned about than some second-tier public official visiting the cat house. (My apologies to my Catholic friends here, but this is a fact).
You need to get your priorities straight.
And he's still called Rev Jes
May 1, 2007 - 21:51 ET by botgAnd he's still called Rev Jesse Jackson
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, my litmous test for President. BT(adapted)
Blonde
May 1, 2007 - 22:05 ET by shawn228I do not know much about Alcee hastings so I cannot debate with you about that. I could not begin to tell you how much I agree with you about the Catholic priest thing. I guess this disturbs me so much, because I know many people like that. You know, the kind that tells you how to dress, what to wear, what is moral, what is not. How short a girls skirt should be. He to me represented what I despise most in this world.
Shawn,Alcee Hastings is the C
May 1, 2007 - 22:14 ET by BlondeShawn,
Alcee Hastings is the Congressional Representative to the U.S. House of Representatives from Miami. He is an impeached federal judge. Look him up on Wiki for a short precis. Yet he is the man (I use that term loosely, here) whom Ms. Speaker desired to CHAIR the House Ethics Commitee. An impeached FEDERAL JUDGE. This is what the democrats propose....people like Alcee Hastings to lead "the most ethical Congress ever". Sheesh!
As I said, I could hardly care about some guy in the government who got his ashes hauled...he got caught, he resigned, move on.
There are more important things to worry about.
Like Harry Reid saying the War is lost while we have troops in theatre.
Shawn, please, please, focus on the important stuff. It is going to matter, someday, soon.
Important Stuff
May 1, 2007 - 22:44 ET by shawn228I know there is more important stuff to discuss, I just though that was an interesting "side topic". As for Harry Reid, I denounced what he said just this morning in, I think it was called "What exactly did George Bush say" thread.
On a side note, and I thought about you right away. I was discussing Gatorade with my boss because I am devastated that they have discontinued my favorite drink of all time 'Watermelon Gatorade" and my Boss told me that Gatarade was named after the Florida Gators. I had no idea. I'm sure you know this already, but just I thought I t was interesting.:)
Okay Shawn!!!Mega points to y
May 1, 2007 - 22:55 ET by BlondeOkay Shawn!!!
Mega points to you for mentioning my Gators.
I didn't even know there was such a thing as Watermelon Gatorade. Gatorade was invented at the University of Florida, hence the name.
To get back to serious topics, though.
Some hack having sex is hardly a concern of mine.
The democrats trying to defund the war while we have troops in theatre, the leader of the Senate declaring we've "lost"....these are the important topics of the day.
I have had a really long day, and haven't read hardly a thing here, today.
But I'm glad you're beginning to focus on the important matters of the day.
Learning how to debate, with facts (hard numbers) always is preferable to trying to discuss feelings. Try it on your boss! Let him know that Gatorade wasn't "named after the Gators"....we invented the stuff. Like I said, Shawn....facts rule. :)
Watermelon Ice
May 1, 2007 - 23:13 ET by shawn228Watemelon Ice is a clear version of Gatorade. It has no color and it is the best drink ever. Like I mentioned this morning, What Harry Reid said was disgraceful. In fact this whole statement The Democratic congress is trying to make at the expense of the the troops is disheartening. I voted Democrat in November and I was confident I made the right decision, but I gotta tell ya, I'm not so sure now.
Way to go, Shawn.Now you are
May 1, 2007 - 23:25 ET by BlondeWay to go, Shawn.
Now you are learning to think critically. It's a good feeling, yes?
What is important? To you, to your family, to the health and welfare of both?
Letting the government make decisions for you, or making your own? Under the dems (Clinton) the top federal tax rate was almost 40 percent. Under Bush, it was rolled back to 35 percent. This doesn't take into account your FICA withholdings (7.65%), nor your property taxes, nor your state sales taxes.
Most Americans pay between 25 and 50 percent in taxes. Does this strike you as being fair? That between one quarter and one half of your own personal efforts (no matter how hard you work, nor how slackish your neighbor is) that the government takes the results of your efforts to reward those who just "collect"?
Granted, there are things that can only be done by "the government". But when you truly evaluate what you are paying, it seems kind of silly.
Okay, Shawn, enough of the lecture for tonite.
Please, go check out "Free to Choose", by Milton & Rose Friedman, from the library. It's a book that will change the way you think, forever.
Blonde
May 1, 2007 - 23:44 ET by shawn228With the exception of healthcare, I have always thought like a Republican tax wise. What bothers me about the Republican party are the Pat Robertsons, The Jerry Falwells and Dr. Lauras. I'm sure not all Republicans are like that, just like not all Liberals are like Al Sharpton and Al Franken.
You hit it right on the button. I want the right to choose. I want to be able to watch the shows I like, Say what I like, Dress the way I like. The Republican party to me always represented to me a party that preaches Moral Values and tries to shove it down your throat. I am started to learn by studying people on this site that not everybody is like that. :) I know you have had a long day. Have a good night.
No...
May 1, 2007 - 23:47 ET by Mr. BishopAll liberals are like Al Sharpton and Al Franken... not all Democrats are, however...
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
Mr. Bishop,Dude....lighten up
May 1, 2007 - 23:59 ET by BlondeMr. Bishop,
Dude....lighten up....
Excellent.
You never fail to engage with great posts....and your new joke is great.
Okay, now I'm out. Nite O.
P.S. Hi to Clyde.
Shawn,The point is not about
May 1, 2007 - 23:56 ET by BlondeShawn,
The point is not about Republicans. As I said about the idiot who got caught with his pants down yesterday, or whenever, who cares? Which is exactly what I think about Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, et. al. They're not me, they're not representative of conservative thought, they're just media creatures.
The point is about being a conservative.
Which means thinking for yourself. Deciding for yourself. Applying critical thought processes to that which is important to you, and your family. Nothing more, nothing less. Taking care of those whom you love and adore and care for.
We'll discuss it further, later, no prob.
I'm out in about 4. Minutes.
"Preaching about keeping
May 1, 2007 - 22:52 ET by JPR1"Preaching about keeping pants up"... or advocating abstinence and fidelity as the simplest means of preventing the spread of a deadly disease? Why do you assume the advocacy is rooted in morality. It's common sense.
Whatever his dalience you can be pretty sure HIV was a low probability concern.
JPR1
May 1, 2007 - 22:58 ET by shawn228My vocabulary is not up to your standards JPR1. Can you explain what you said to me in laymen terms?
Sorry shawn. I gave it some t
May 1, 2007 - 23:23 ET by JPR1Sorry shawn. I gave it some thought and all I came up with were bigger words and more complicated sentences. Sleep on it maybe?
lol, okay. JPR1
May 1, 2007 - 23:27 ET by shawn228lol, okay. JPR1
What glee, Neo? This is a
May 1, 2007 - 00:59 ET by shawn228What glee, Neo? This is an embarassment to the US government. I'm not going to say it was not a mark against us during the Clinton scandal. If anyone in the Bush adminstration got caught with a prostitute not including Bush, Cheney or the AG. I would not be nitpicking this. Once again Neo, instead of saying about how much of a double standard this is, why don't a you answer the orginal question.
One thing about Bush, he is not flip flopper. One of his biggest weakness is also his biggest asset. He is loyal to his administration. Even though he is stubburn, he says what he is going to do.
The deputy secretrary of state l however is trying to teach morals to the world. Showing how fornication is such a sin and being monogomous is the way to fight AIDS. He then gets caught in a prostitution Sting. I have stated before that both Dems and Republicans will go down for this. I'm sure there are more names in that book. Once again what do you think of the actions of the deputy secretary of state?.
And for the record I have stated many times that Jefferson should resign.
Any repubs involved in this s
May 1, 2007 - 12:15 ET by TruthMongerAny repubs involved in this should resign...
See how easy it is to have principles, leftoids...?
Of course, on your unprincipled side, any dems involved can get the usual free pass...
truthmonger
May 1, 2007 - 20:58 ET by shawn228Ok so far I asked motherbelt how she felt about what the deputy secretary of state did, and so far no response, Neoconfirmed, responded to my post and talked about how bad dems were and I asked him what he thought about what the deputy secretary of state said "no response" Now you are responding again attacking the evil Dems. So Truth Monger, can you be the first to answer my question. What do you think about what the Deputy Secretary of State did?
Hell, I'll do it
May 1, 2007 - 21:13 ET by Mr. BishopSo you get an answer, I will certainly reply to your question...
How do I feel about the Deputy Secretary of State's involvement in this? I, personally... don't care for it one bit. Having said that, I suppose we'll have to wait until everything settles and it is discovered as to exactly how much he was involved. Simply being involved with the call girl ring, does not automatically make a customer a john sleeping with a prostitute. It is entirely possible (though, I have to admit, unlikely) that he merely met with the girls involved, and talked about work, his family, things like that. I know of a lot of guys that go to strip clubs that have done exactly that. Now, these same clubs these guys frequent, if the club is found to have been hosting a bit of a prostitution ring, does that automatically mean that anyone who has visited that club is involved in the prostitution, and paid for those services? No, of course not -- and the same holds true here. I have seen where Tobias has said he was a customer of the escort service... but I don't see where he has said he engaged in sexual relations, of any kind, with any of the call girls involved. Again, however, I will say it is unlikely that he did not -- however, there is always the possibility.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
Let's see... Barney Fwank'
May 1, 2007 - 21:26 ET by JerryLet's see... Barney Fwank's boyfriend ran a gay prostitution ring out of Barney's house for a year and Barney is still an "esteemed" member of the Democrat party. Foley sends MESSAGES and it's a SEX SCANDAL.
Clinton sexually harrasses Paula Jones, takes advantage of a teenage intern under his employment, takes illegal campaign money from communists, lies about it all, and it's just his "personal sex life", nobody's business. Going by the democrat hypocricy meter, this deputy secretary story is the most unscrupulous scandal in the history of our great nation.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
How is "illegal campaign mone
May 1, 2007 - 21:34 ET by balboaHow is "illegal campaign money from communists" party of Clinton's "personal sex life"?
Maybe...
May 1, 2007 - 21:35 ET by Mr. BishopMaybe it was for/from Chinese "massages". You know how they are... eh? Eh?
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
Are you speaking of the much-
May 1, 2007 - 21:40 ET by balboaAre you speaking of the much-fabled..."happy ending"?
Indeed
May 1, 2007 - 21:42 ET by Mr. BishopIndeed so... and if the money was funneled through a massage parlor, at some point, it is possible (I suppose), that it would then be private sex life...
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
Uhhh, you're right Bal. Jerry
May 1, 2007 - 21:42 ET by ThisnThatUhhh, you're right Bal. Jerry really screwed up this time.
Jerry, you're hereby banned till you clean up your act. Ideas aren't important; it's the seriousness of the mistake that counts. Come back when you can prove you're perfect. /sarc
Gawwd, Bal -- How's that. Can we continue, now?
Sorry I made a point about a
May 1, 2007 - 21:55 ET by balboaSorry I made a point about a poorly stated argument. Can you ever, ever ever forgive me? I'll just die if you don't.
Wellllll, ok.
May 1, 2007 - 22:03 ET by ThisnThatWellllll, ok.
Guys... the point was, the
May 1, 2007 - 22:29 ET by JerryGuys... the point was, the campaign finance scandal was swept under the rug while the press focused on defense of his "personal sex life". Clinton had a laundry list of scandals that was basically ignored by the media while they defended his "personal sex life" against the perverted republicans. I could have mentioned the Juanita Broderick rape if I had wanted to stay in the "sex" theme, but I chose to illustrate other scandals.
And by no means am I condoning any immoral behavior by either party. Just pointing out how the Main Stream Manipulators are oblivious to truth and balance.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Right Jerry, and we answered
May 1, 2007 - 22:38 ET by botgRight Jerry, and we answered what we thought of . . . . . . if we were asked what we thought of the medias portrail of the scandels on each side Reprehensible, there are many who were not dealt with according to their behavior. And for an organization which claims to be telling the facts.
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, my litmous test for President. BT(adapted)
What do you think about what
May 1, 2007 - 21:24 ET by botgWhat do you think about what the Deputy Secretary of State did?
On the one hand in today's lax moral climate, <shrug>
On the other hand, those who teach should be held to a greater standard, and it is hypocritical, and he should be removed.
On the third hand (didn't know i was a friend of Art Bell didya) for the type of society we all should strive for, i think most officials being compromised should be removed
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, my litmous test for President. BT(adapted)
To Shawn from TM...
May 1, 2007 - 21:30 ET by TruthMonger...I still don't have the facts of what he did...
But for the sake of argument if he saw a prostitute as alleged then I'd want him to leave the job for moral reasons...Just like Clinton with Monica...but the official reason he should lose his job should be for engaging in illegal behavior...but my primary objection would still be the immorality...
P.S. I don't believe his crap about "massage only..."
Jerry did not quite underst
May 1, 2007 - 21:57 ET by shawn228Jerry did not quite understand the question, but Thx Truthmonger, Mr Bishop, botg. for answering the question. I'm glad that you are not defending him.
Take into context
May 1, 2007 - 22:04 ET by Mr. BishopWell, your statement about defending him is somewhat erroneous.
If Tobias did not do what you are insinuating he did (gettin' jiggy with a prostitute), then I will defend him. Until it is known what sort of "relationship" he really had, there is little reason to crucify the man. If he did get it on with a prostitute, then I will not be defending him, as he will then be guilty of a crime. That remains to be seen, however. Until such a time, I will not blindly say that he was guilty and hang him out to dry.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
Mr Bishop, after reading yo
May 1, 2007 - 22:10 ET by botgMr Bishop, after reading your comments i believe mine need to be updated to the point: assuming he has done something illegal here are my thoughts:
thanks for getting me right
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, my litmous test for President. BT(adapted)
Mr Bishop
May 1, 2007 - 22:11 ET by shawn228Your right, Mr. Bishop, we do not know all that facts yet. Do you remember when Clinton said " I did not have sexual relations with that woman". Well they did not have sex per say, but we remember the gory details right? The soiled dress, the cigar story. What if we found out the at the end of the massage, the deputy secretary of state had a "happy ending" would that be okay with you or would you consider that a sexual relation?
As you read it
May 1, 2007 - 22:17 ET by Mr. BishopAs you have read what I have written, the answer is obvious -- sex is sex, there is no need to qualify it -- it is what it is.
Clinton's absolute denial was nothing but an absolute lie. He did have sexual relations with Monica. If Tobias is guilty of the same thing, he is guilty -- I do not care if he has a (D) or an (R) after his name -- guilty of a crime proven, is guilty -- and that is all there is to it. Clinton's crime was perjury in a sexual harrassment suit. If Tobias paid for sex (and is proven), no matter how small it was, it's still a crime. Thus, if guilty, he receives no special treatment from me for being an (R) -- guilty is guilty.
<EDIT: Adding the following>
As I said with Foley back last year -- I cannot personally condone the man's actions. I found them disgusting, morally bankrupt, and in all ways -- wrong. However, they were not illegal, and as such, I would not simply abandon the man to the liberal press and Democrats, to crucify, when nothing had been done illegal.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
Mr. Bishop,Getting jiggy?Geez
May 1, 2007 - 22:16 ET by BlondeMr. Bishop,
Getting jiggy?
Geez, thanks, needed that laugh!
No problem
May 1, 2007 - 22:21 ET by Mr. BishopJust felt it was the right thing to say, at the right time... could have been a bit more vulgar I suppose, but "gettin' jiggy" just seemed appropriate.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
Bishop,It was perfect! Too
May 1, 2007 - 22:24 ET by BlondeBishop,
It was perfect! Too funny.
Thx, again, for the laugh, I needed that.
shawn...He said he did not ha
May 1, 2007 - 21:37 ET by bigtimershawn...
He said he did not have sex with that woman!
Btw...with 42 lbs. of documents and numbers, over 10, 000 numbers, what do you want to bet the day after the republican party debate Thursday that abc's Brian Ross' little 20/20 piece on Friday isn't planned? Plus how many names that are released do you really think are going to have a (D) behind their name ...eh?
Eh?
Or do you think the DC Madam and her employees only catered to republicans?
bigtimer, in my post ab
May 1, 2007 - 21:50 ET by shawn228bigtimer, in my post above, I believe Republicans and Democrats alike will be going down for this. All I wanted was straight answer about their thoughts about what was done and I finally got that. I do not know how many names Brian Ross will release.
Should release them all now!S
May 1, 2007 - 21:54 ET by botgShould release them all now!
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, my litmous test for President. BT(adapted)
You're probably right. But, I
May 1, 2007 - 21:54 ET by ThisnThatYou're probably right. But, I heard a report that abc news was sifting through their material looking for Republican's caught in the, uh -- act. Not Dims. I think it's going to take some doing to get any names of Dims made public.
TnT,Of course they are only g
May 1, 2007 - 22:11 ET by bigtimerTnT,
Of course they are only going to be releasing right leaning people, no matter the business or where they are serving, nor sex,congress or this administration ect.... it is ABC for heaven's sake...lol!
Mark Foley, Rham Emanuel/Ari Emanuel, Hollywood leftist connection with all leftist agenda... anyone..btw, did anyone notice who was standing directly behind Pelosi this evening in response to the President's statement....Rahm, he is working diligently to be Speaker of the House, eventually much more, he came in with the Clinton's.
This will be released in drips and drabs, to try and gain seats, they care not one iota of the blood the spill when it comes to war, or if they withhold all dem's..but I see some hesitation with the leftist talking heads with this too...this list does include the media.
Other names will come out later...oh say after '08.....lol, they are so obvious.
Dick Morris, a private citize
April 30, 2007 - 21:16 ET by ding7777Dick Morris, a private citizen, was not working in the Clinton Administration.
Randall Tobias, a political appointee, was working in the Bush administration and dutifully promoting abstinence only efforts to combat HIV/AIDS while calling hookers.
Gee whiz , I can't see a bit a difference between the two.
That is stupid and disingenuous, Ding.
April 30, 2007 - 21:41 ET by RJThat's a stupid and disingenuous post, Ding. Morris had constant, intimate access to the workings of government. Not only that, according to the story, which you evidently did not read.....
Morris "has been having a lengthy relationship with a prostitute and talking about his job."
"a year-long relationship with a Washington prostitute whom he allegedly allowed to listen on to calls with the President."
RJ - Morris' job was as a p
April 30, 2007 - 22:04 ET by ding7777RJ - Morris' job was as a political consultant. What do political consultants do? Polls! Polls! Polls! With media advertising buys, congressional races, Oppo research an triangulation thrown in. Nothing to do with the "intimate access to the workings of government" as you claim!
Wrong. He also managed Clinton's re-election
April 30, 2007 - 22:08 ET by RJWrong. He also managed Clinton's re-election. The very nature of his job gave him frequent access to events surrounding the President.
I notice you ignore his talking about his job and allowing the woman to listen in to his calls.
The point is, to defend him as somehow deserving of a pass is just silly.
RJ - perhaps you missed it,
April 30, 2007 - 22:29 ET by ding7777RJ - perhaps you missed it, but I said Morris' job was as a political consultant. And as a political consultant he would talk to Clinton about polls, polls, polls, and media advertising buys.
Morris was a private citizen. I don't care what he did in the privacy of his bedroom or with whom he did it. No one died of AIDS because Morris got his toes sucked.
People died of AIDs when Tobias withheld money for condoms while spending it on "abstinence only" programs.
To compare Morris with Tobias is the height of hipocrisy.
Ding, you become more foolish with every post
April 30, 2007 - 22:40 ET by RJDing, you become more foolish with every post.
Morris was MORE than a "political consultant." He MANAGED Clinton's re-election. That meant he discussed policy and other matters. Also, just by hanging around, he had access to intimate government workings. He spoke about his job to that woman and allowed her to listen in on conversations with the President. (Who knows? Maybe they double sex dated over the phone with Bill and Monica)
Hipocricy is to claim that Morris gets a pass. And it's also a moronic position to defend.
RJ - After 7 years of Bus
April 30, 2007 - 22:52 ET by ding7777RJ - After 7 years of Bush/Rove you can't distinguish between poltical photo-ops and "intimate access to the workings of government".
RJ: 3 Dingbat: 0
April 30, 2007 - 22:56 ET by Free StinkerRJ: 3
Dingbat: 0
You get more foolish with every post, Ding
April 30, 2007 - 22:58 ET by RJVery nice, Ding. You get more foolish with every post.
Now you've given up trying to defend your stupid position and move to a stupid characterization of the man who managed Cinton's re-election as there for photo-ops. Amazing.
RJ,Ding almost appears to be
April 30, 2007 - 23:00 ET by BlondeRJ,
Ding almost appears to be one of those mechanized bot-post things.
Devolving all the time, though.
I know, Blonde. I thought th
April 30, 2007 - 23:07 ET by RJI know, Blonde. I thought there would be better arguments, though. I'm embarrassed that I wasted so much time on it.
Time to log out. 'Night.
appears to be one of those me
April 30, 2007 - 23:18 ET by botgappears to be one of those mechanized bot-post things.
B, I will kindly ask that henceforth you use the 'g' in my name
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, my litmous test for President. BT(adapted)
No problemo, BruGce.
April 30, 2007 - 23:27 ET by BlondeNo problemo, BruGce.
RJ - more false infomation
April 30, 2007 - 23:27 ET by ding7777RJ - more false infomation from you:
Morris was Clintons political consultant/advisor. Peter S. Knight was the Clinton's 1996 re-election Campaign Manager.
Ah, you can teach an old Moonbat new tricks.
April 30, 2007 - 23:33 ET by Free StinkerAh, you can teach an old Moonbat new tricks.
Hiding until 20 minutes after your opponant turns in for the night. We will credit you with inventing this technique Dingbat.
Sorry, Ding, you get the booby prize again.
May 1, 2007 - 10:44 ET by RJSorry, Ding, you get the booby prize again. Although he might have not had the title, Morris MANAGED Clinton's re-election campaign. An internet search brings up many confirmations. Here's a couple:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Morr
("Morris is best known for MANAGING Bill Clinton's successful 1996 bid for re-election")
http://partners.nytimes.com/library/convention/0830/dem-morris-resign.html
("Morris had come to be known as a CONFIDANT AND ALTER EGO OF CLINTON.") The New York Times article shows the high level access Morris had to Clinton's policy-making. To claim he had no access to governmental workings is just plain stupid.Face it, Ding, your position that Morris gets a pass is ridiculous knee-jerk ideology.
Wrong
May 1, 2007 - 21:18 ET by Mr. BishopIt says quite clearly above: Morris was Clinton's Chief Political Strategist -- that is Clinton's Karl Rove. If Karl Rove was involved... you'd be all over that in a heartbeat, you hypocritical fool.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
I've been hammering on Dingy
May 1, 2007 - 21:26 ET by RJI've been hammering on Dingy to no avail. No matter how often it's proven to him, he'll continue to deny. The doofus can't help himself.
Never been able to
May 1, 2007 - 21:29 ET by Mr. BishopFor some time, this is how he has been... he paints himself into a corner, and refuses to just admit that he's a born screw-up.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
People died of AIDS when Tobi
May 1, 2007 - 23:08 ET by JPR1People died of AIDS when Tobias witheld money...
Man you really are out there in left field aren't ya. Better come in soon, gettin' close to dinner time.
No kidding, JPR.People who di
May 1, 2007 - 23:16 ET by BlondeNo kidding, JPR.
People who died of AIDS, died of AIDS.
"Because Tobias withheld money?"
Would you kindly remind me why it's my problem, with my tax dollars, to provide condoms for anyone, at all, whatsoever?
The more I read here, and the more I post, the more I realize we must BAN THE NANNY STATE forever.
We, as conservatives, must get on the bandwagon, to everyone, everywhere, all of the time....and espouse the virtue of personal responsibility. For everything. Working, living, being a kind and responsible human being, protecting the environment, taking care of those who can't care for themselves, supporting those who provide us with our security. Other than that....be your own caretaker!
That is the nut of it Blonde.
May 1, 2007 - 23:35 ET by JPR1That is the nut of it Blonde. Mankind has developed a social system in which you don't need more than a few ounces of brains to live a secure life, but geez a person has to make an effort. Compassion is an essential human trait but I think a little "Participate or Perish" attitude may be in order.
Enabling individuals is bad.
May 1, 2007 - 23:39 ET by botgEnabling individuals is bad. Enabling groups is horrific.
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, my litmous test for President. BT(adapted)
True indeed botg. The radical
May 2, 2007 - 00:07 ET by JPR1True indeed botg. The radical left has done a bang-up job of “enabling” masses of people to live with little regard to the consequences of foolish behavior. Correcting this will be slow and painful or rapid and …painful.
Huh?
May 1, 2007 - 23:24 ET by Mr. BishopAfter reading below, the response to the comment "People died of AIDS...", it made me suddenly stop and think about this subject.
One: It takes longer then 6 years, on the average, for HIV to develop into AIDS. However, the support of Bush on the AIDS front did not begin 6 years ago, so that is irrelevant. However, assuming that Tobias was in charge of the AIDS issues at that point -- no one died as a result of Tobias pushing for abstinence only, as a solution.
Two: As is menionted above my post here, my tax dollars are not to be used to pay for condoms for anyone in this country, or any other country. The government is not a walking handout, you ignorant cuss.
Three: As I mentioned previously -- Morris was not a political consultant -- he was Bill Clinton's Karl Rove: his Chief Political Strategist -- if this happened with Karl Rove, you'd be all over it in a heartbeat you hypocritical fool.
Four: AIDS spreading nowadays, is a result of stupid people, doing stupid things. You cannot blame hospitals for it anymore, as they screen their blood. Stupid people, doing stupid things, is only solved through those stupid people, fixing their own problems -- not the government.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Dude... lighten up..
Yeah Bubba
April 30, 2007 - 21:50 ET by botgCokie Roberts insisted: "In the long term, as one Senator who talked to the president said to me today, the president asked him do you think it will cost me votes
Yeah Bubba! there's the "i feel your pain" caring for others guy we know and love
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, my litmous test for President. BT(adapted)
Perhaps the difference is i
May 1, 2007 - 11:24 ET by BlameTheMediaPerhaps the difference is in the magnitude of the story. A madam's huge list of clients, vs. a guy that had an affair. A gay senator that prayed on the young, vs. a guy that had an affair.
It's all wrong. But the magnitude of the stories are vastly different.
I agree. Barney Frank should
May 1, 2007 - 14:35 ET by Roger the ShrubberI agree. Barney Frank should still be office.
Quit making excuses. They all deserve our scorn. Keep on chugging that Kool-Aid.