LAT: Falling Home Construction Market in USA Hurts Mexico?


In Sunday’s paper, the L.A.Times has a piece that mourns a downturn of a portion of Mexico’s economy and, naturally, the Times blames the USA for it. How is it that the USA is responsible for this downturn? New home construction is down in California and illegal Mexicans have found themselves out of work because of it. This means that these out of work Mexicans cannot send US dollars to Mexico and, therefore, Mexican families back home are finding less money in their family incomes.

So, according to the L.A.Times, the US is unfairly hurting Mexican families because of a downturn in new home building in the USA. Why are we Americans so darn mean to those innocent illegals, anyway? For shame you selfish Americans!

MEXICO CITY — When California's housing market was booming, Lucretia Diaz could feel the good vibrations 2,200 miles away in her rural hamlet in southern Mexico.

Her husband, Carlos Romero, an illegal immigrant living in Los Angeles, wired her $600 a month from his labors hanging drywall and pounding roof nails. The remittances bought meat for the tacos, new sneakers for the kids and a few extras for the family's home in tiny Juquila, Oaxaca.

No more. With U.S. homebuilding in the dumps, Romero is working sporadically and sending little money. Diaz and her three young boys are eating rice and beans. She is watching every centavo.

So are economists who track this crucial southward flow of currency. They are worried by what they see.

Why these purported economists aren’t “worried” that this flow of US dollars exists in the first place is anybody’s guess.

Remittances are the financial lifeblood for millions of Mexican families and a critical source of foreign exchange for their government. The $23 billion that maids, cooks and gardeners sent home last year — almost all from the U.S. — topped the amount that multinationals invested in Mexico. But fallout from the U.S. construction industry, which employs one in five Hispanic immigrants, is now rippling south of the border. Growth in remittances to Mexico has slowed to a trickle.

Nice euphemism they have there; “remittances”. It SHOULD be theft, but the L.A.Times dresses it up by calling the flow of US dollars over the border with a benign sounding “remittances”.

So, are we supposed to read this article and feel bad for these Mexicans who are receiving illegal monies from the USA? Are we supposed to damn ourselves for how horrible we are for stopping these oh so helpful “remittances” with our selfish desire not to build new homes?

Gosh we evil Americans are just dastardly, aren’t we?

The entire report is written as if it is all a common market analysis, as if the discussion here is a downturn in business related issues. But, it isn’t. We are talking about illegal aliens making money against the law that is then bled out of the country, harming our own economy.

Catch this paragraph:

After increasing an average of just more than 23 percent a year since 2000, remittances for the first two months of 2007 were just 5.5 percent ahead of the same period last year, according to Mexico's central bank. The figure peaked in May 2006 at $2.3 billion and has drifted downward ever since.

It’s as if we are talking new cars stats, or purchases of washing machines and the so-called "Big ticket items" taking a downturn here. The Times is couching this discussion as if this illegal activity is a legitimate market analysis instead of an illegal leeching of cash out of our own economy.

Again, this is money basically stolen by illegal immigrants flowing out of our country and into a foreign nation.

And, it isn’t just Mexico “feeling the effect” says the Times.

Mexico isn't the only country feeling the effect. Growth in money wired to Guatemala, El Salvador, the Dominican Republic and other Latin American nations has followed the housing market down.

But the L.A.Times didn’t stop with our meanness with the construction industry. We are also harming Mexico’s “remittances” with our intensified attention to border security.

But with more U.S. agents patrolling the border and fewer construction jobs waiting on the other side, Newman said, Mexico may be in for a bumpier landing this time. He projects 3.3 percent economic growth for Mexico this year, down from 4.8 percent in 2006.

It is infuriating that the L.A.Times acts as if this illegal flow of US dollars south is a legitimate part of Mexico’s economy.

Obviously the Times feels we Americans should feel shame that Mexicans and other nationalities cannot come here illegally as easily as they once did. Why, our increased interest in our own national security and upholding our laws is frightening those poor, poor, innocent people.

Analyst Gwenn Bezard, who follows the money-transfer industry, said he believes that tougher border enforcement is crimping the flow of new arrivals to the U.S. while employment raids and deportations have spooked undocumented workers living there. He said some are avoiding places where immigrants congregate, such as major money-wiring chains.

"A lot of people are just staying home because they are afraid of being caught," said Bezard, research director at Aite Group, a Boston-based financial services consulting business. "The political climate has a lot to do with it."

This L.A.Times piece is a perfect example of the open borders type of thinking that is popular with the extreme left. With this thinking we should not be “allowed” to secure our border, we are mean to enforce our labor laws, and we have no right to impose any requirements for foreign nationals to become citizens of the USA.

The most ridiculous part of this report is that not once in the piece does the L.A.Times scold the Mexican government for the failed policies that causes it to rely on these “remittances” to float its economy. Nowhere is the onus for the solvency of the Mexican economy placed on Mexicans back in Mexico. No, it’s all the USA’s fault.

I have news for you L.A.Times. Mexico’s economic woe is NOT the fault of fewer construction projects in California.

It’s because Mexico is a corrupt, third world nation and the USA has NO responsibility to assure that these "remittances" help float them.


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The most disgusting story t

May be the most disgusting story this year.

But at least it gave me an ex

But at least it gave me an explanation on why Mexico is so hard on illegals crossing their southern border. I didn't understand why they would care, since they know those people are just passing through Mexico on their way to the US.

But based on this story, I'd say Mexico doens't like those illegals because they take jobs away from illegal immigrants from Mexico, thus funneling "remittances" to countries other than Mexico. Can't have that now, can we?

I heard when I stopped drinki

I heard when I stopped drinking Coronas the Mexican stock market fell 250 points.

"He was a wise man who invented beer."
Plato

Nice piece of xenophobia yo

Nice piece of xenophobia you wrote there. Well done.

"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.

1.)  Why are all other count

1.)  Why are all other countries on the planet allowed to have and maintain borders except us?  How does that make us xenophobic and them not?

2.)  Do you truly think it is responsible for a government - Mexico - to build its economy on the illegal acts - coming to and working in another country illegally - of its citizens?

3.)  To what extent do you believe Mexico is responsible for its own economy?  To what extent should the United States be responsible for the economy of another country?

It's Huston I meant. He is

It's Huston I meant. He is xenophobic, or at least his reasoning is.

"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.

dahliatravers' question is

dahliatravers' question is still relevant: is it xenophobic to not want illegal immigrants coming here to work, again illegally? That's a typical liberal arguement: instead of arguing the original subject, change the subject by accusing the one who disagrees of doing so because of xenophobia, or sexism, or racism or homophobia. Then argue about that instead.

Hey, I didn't change the su

Hey, I didn't change the subject. I merely stated, that reading Hustons post I thought it to be xenophobic. And I will tell anybody that if he/she argues like Huston I'll call them xenophobic.

"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.

kaka, your Huston posts have been disingenuous

Throughout this thread, kaka, you have engaged in name-calling without once defending your position.  

The question you must answer is WHY do you see Huston's arguments (and thus him) as xenophobic?

(Edit)  Apparently, you've posted partial explanations after read the thread and posted the above.  I will respond to those posts.

See comment below. &quot

See comment below. What I've forgotten to add, was that the metaphors he uses sound pretty much like illegal immigrants being some parasites (the country "bleeding" and that it hurts the U.S. economy (he is not proving that assertion of course.))

"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.

Yes, I see that you've finally given a partial explanation

Yes, I see you have finally given a partial explanation.  I will respond to them.

"Did we think Kyoto would [reduce global warming] when we signed it?  Hell no!" -Al Gore

I don't see any xenophobia in

I don't see any xenophobia in Huston's post.   Perhaps you use some other definition for this word than the commonly accepted one:: fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign .

I see no blanket fear or hatred here.  

What I do see is an assertion the US has the right as a sovreign nation to regulate who and what enters across its borders,  what is exported from its borders, and to hold the reasonable expectation that foreign citizens will reside legally within its borders or leave when asked to.

Under this set of assumptions, the reasoning of the LA Times is simply wrong.  Illegal immigrants have no right to remain within the country nor are they permitted any special dispensation to violate US Federal, State and Local laws as they feel convenient.

Let's apply the LA Times reasoning to Germany.  This means that any Turks, Iranians, Iraqis, Kurds, etc., etc, who are able to sneak across the Oder from Poland must be allowed not only to remain in the couuntry, but be allowed to violate Germany's labor laws and become voting German citizens in exception to German Citizenship laws.  This is False.  Germany has not allowed Turkish gastarbeiter who were born and raised in Germany and have lived there lawfully all their lives to become voting citizens, much less any illegals.

Either (a) You object to German law. or (b) you are a hypocrite.

It gets stranger and strang

It gets stranger and stranger. The LATimes nowhere (to make that bold) mentions some right for immigrants who came illegally to stay. What I see in Hustons post is cheap demagogy. For example calling the sending of money to Mexico theft. When they earn that money it's theirs, whether they are illegals or not. Secondly the money send to Latin America is a part of the economies there. And it is legitimate, because these people are paid for their services. And if you are so shortsighted as Huston and want to shut down this flow, then you will see what it means to have an immigration problem. And to deny any responsibility of the U.S. for the situation in Latin America is simply laughable. If a treaty like nafta, causes the unemployment of millions of mexican farmers, who subsequently move north, because they think they can earn some there to survive, then you can't say that the U.S. doesn't bare any responsibility for the situation. Perhaps Huston is not a xenophob, but he uses the same flawed arguments as they use.

And by the way: I am opposed to german immigration law. I don't suppose you know the concept of jus sangui, which is applied in Germany, but I don't think that it is the right instrument today.

"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.

The sending of money to Mexic

The sending of money to Mexico under the conditions stated is illegal in the United States.  Why?  Because the source of the sent money was illegal  employement.    To call this a theft is not a moral stretch.  It is a legal stretch.  The legal terms for this activity in America might include fraud and/or rackateering depending on the particulars.  Since when is it xenophobia or 'strange' to complain about lawbreaking and fraud?

You argue this money is "legitimate" because it is wages.  This is false.  The labor in question was performed outside the laws of the United States within whose jurisdictions these acts occurred.  Under American law, this is illicit, illegal activity and both the worker and his employer are liable to arrest.   Let's go back to the German situation.   What would happen in Germany if an illegal immigrant were found working in the building trades?  I will tell you what will happen, the German authorities will arrest that person for violating German labor laws and a deportation hearing will ensue, provided the authorities are able to determine the arrestees country of origin.  The US laws are even more stringent in this regard.  The IRS can sieze the illegal wages invovled because the income tax laws were violated. [fraudulent SS#, fraudulent W4-E]  In fact, the IRS can fine or even padlock the employer's business if it wants to for not correctly witholding taxes.  This is all in addition to the I-9 certification fraud inherent in the hiring of the illegal.

You argue that the US must bear some of the responsibility for this illegal activity.  This is a false proposition.  This is the same as claiming the victim of a burglary is responsible for the crime because they had something in their home a burglar was willing to break in to get.  This is an absurdity.  Your argument is the same absurdity:  The US is responsible because there was employment offered within its borders that a foreigner wanted to break in to the country to obtain,. 

The correct latin term for the legal concept you refer to is "jus sanguinis", by right of blood.  Of course I am familiar with German immigration laws.   I am one of those who could walk into any Deutches Konsulat in the world, claim German citizenship and the officials therein would have no choice but to administer the German Language proficiency exam.  But the Turks/muslinms I was discussing do not qualify by right of blood.  The German immigration laws require that at the least, the applicant must be able to show that a great-grandmother was a born, blood, German national to claim citizenship.  Most of the Turkish gastarbeiter do not meet this test.   As it happens, I do.

Hello again,"Since whe

Hello again,

"Since when is it xenophobia or 'strange' to complain about lawbreaking and fraud?"

It is not, but the term theft implies, that those undocumented workers stole money from somebody, which is not true (and therefor Huston appeals to the most simple but also dangerous prejudice, that they are taking away something which belongs to you; an old routine argument when you talk about immigration). If there is a consent between employer and employee, the employee is not stealing anything. Maybe you can call it fraud, if the worker doesn't pay his taxes. Funnily enough some do pay taxes although they don't have a social security number (and are even protected by the IRS).

"You argue this money is "legitimate" because it is wages. This is false."

I don't know how representative court rulings are, but what you stated is not so certain.

"You argue that the US must bear some of the responsibility for this illegal activity. This is a false proposition. "

If somebody is doing something illegal it's his/her choice. But to just say the U.S. has done nothing wrong is false, too. The U.S. and South American governments are collectively responsible for establishing a treaty which in fact forced millions of farmers to move somewhere else, because they couldn't sell their products, because of cheap (and subsidised (talk about socialism)) agricultural products in the U.S. So I'd argue, that there is a direct causal chain going from U.S. governement decisions and others to illegal immigration. Still illegal immigration is willingly tolerated by the U.S. because (and that is what you people don't get) it is a necessary tool for a vibrant american economy. I'd like to see some numbers concerning the gdp growth, if you recalculated them without the gdp produced by illegal immigrants.

"The correct latin term for the legal concept you refer to is "jus sanguinis""

I've never learned latin, but anyway, I'd rather see something similar to U.S. or french procedures.

"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.

Excuse me, subsidized farming

Excuse me, subsidized farming in the US caused millions of displaced farmers in Latin America?  Did I understand your accusation correctly????  First off, any subsidy by the US government to US farmers does not in any way displace any farmer in any Latin Country.  This is total bull.  Argentia does grow wheat in SA and is an exporter.  Did we not hear Fidel Castro himself complain about the price of corn getting higher because the US was converting so much of it to ethanol??? So how is a declining corn subsidy, and rising cost of corn in the US responsible for depriving SA farmers of income?  It doesn't, period.  Which leaves us with sugar cane and diary to address.  Brazil has a huge cost effective sugar cane industry, btw-also being converted to ethanol, that operates cost wise below that of US sugar growers, but somehow it's the US's fault???  Silly.  Which leaves us with diary, when has anyone heard of any diary farmers selling milk in competition with SA farmers ever????  Most excess production in the US is given away to the poor in the form of cheese, so I guess you are complaining about our being too generous, that this is bad for the world economy?  Can't win for losing, on one hand we are not giving enough and on the other hand we are giving away too much. 

Two, if you are going to talk about subsidy, you need to complain about France and the rest of the Europeans not the US.  In fact, the US sided with the third world on this issue and the Europeans balked.  Here, educate yourself a little.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

What is xenophobic about wa

What is xenophobic about wanting to keep illegals out of the country and not feeling bad when they lose jobs?

Have you ever heard of a logical fallacy? You leftists are quite good at using them and trying to pass them off as valid arguing techniques.

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"We can only reason from what is; we can reason on actualities, but not on possibilities." ~ Thomas Paine

Logical fallacy it is when

Logical fallacy it is when you critizise somebody for something he never did.

"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.

What was it that you were a

What was it that you were accused of, yet never did? I apparently missed something. I only saw people taking you to task for calling someone "xenophobic" because he opposes illegal immigration.

And you have succeeded, because now the subject has been changed (see my comment above). So if you want to continue to discuss illegal immigration, fine. Otherwise, I, for one, have nothing else to say to you, because I won't be drawn into your little game.

No motherbelt, I didn't cal

No motherbelt, I didn't call him xenophobic because he opposes illegal immigration. I call him xenophobic because of the way he justifies his opposition.

"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.

You still didn't answer the

You still didn't answer the original question: do you consider it xenophobic to oppose illegal immigration?

The original question was w

The original question was whether Huston is xenophobic. So is he? To your question: no.

"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.

I suppose it's xenophobic whe

I suppose it's xenophobic when we complain about non US citizens voting in our elections as well? 

You really need to open your eyes, no other country on Earth allows this kind of flow of immigration, not even the Europeans.  The Europeans with their tight labor restrictions take a different tact, they put them on welfare.  As you know that is not acceptable here.  It is Mexico's responsibility to create an economy that fully employ's it's people, no one else's.  You can thank 50 years of PRI rule for Mexico being so backward, and I'm not going to let the average Mexican skate for their failure to put someone else in power all that time.  They finally came to their senses when they tossed the PRI 7 years ago.

If you don't recognize the danger of remittances, you probably don't understand economics very well.  It first starts with broken families, fatherless children with no male influence, we all know that disaster looks like - look at our streets and visit our prisons.  Remittances make poverty endemic, since they cause the beneficiaries to become dependent and not independent or self sustaining.  Remittances are not invested in businesses and so the money is spent on the basics, thus there is no mechanicism for self sustaining growth.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

Besides you missing my point:

Besides you missing my point: My answer to your question is no. Anyway, where exactly did you get your information about remittances.

"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.

First, I'm glad you recognize

First, I'm glad you recognize that non citizens shouldn't vote in elections when they don't belong. 

Open your eyes, apply your critical thinking skills.  It doesn't take an expert to exercise common sense and read the papers or internet that remittances are nothing more than welfare checks.  We all know how good Welfare has been for the country. <sarcasm>  What has always been the fundamental difference between Mexico and the US besides it's language?  The ability to attract investment is the answer.  Mexico's laws on property ownership and foreign investment are the biggest barriers to economic growth, a self inflicted barrier based on their xenophobic fears that foreigners were going to take them over.  The US on the other hand has received foreign investment with open arms for its entire history.  Remittances are nothing more than welfare checks to feed families and this enables the corrupt politicians to continue with business as usual practices of graft, bribes and kickbacks, all of which hinder economic growth and hence jobs for their expanding population.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

To be clear: I believe that

To be clear: I believe that much more people would die, if there wouldn't be the money transfers from the developed countries. So if I had the choice of tolerating illegal immigrants working here (and by the way creating some percentage of gdp growth), or sending them back and let them live a miserable life or worse starve, well I've chosen.

"Hegel says somewhere all great events and personalities in world history reappear in one fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce."
The Eighteeenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) sect. 1, Cf.

So now we come to the nub of your false charges, kaka

So now we come to the nub of your false charges.  It's not xenophobia at all.  You feel sorry for the poor of other countries and America should therefore "tolerate" their illegal presence.  

How socialistic of you, kaka.

It's an age-old trick, kaka

It's an age-old trick, kaka.

Race mongers make false cries of "racism" in order to advance their agenda.

The homosexual lobby makes false cries of "homophobia" in order to advance their agenda.

...and so on....

You, kaka, falsely cry "xenophobia" in order to support and advance your belief in socialism.

So, by your answer of saying

So, by your answer of saying you are choosing as it were the lesser of two evils between a welfare check and starving, you choose welfare.  Is that correct?  That as a short term strategy is what got us all into trouble in the first place with government welfare here in this country.  Welfare is bad, period. 

Instead of spending years complaining about us as stingy, miserly Americans not willing to share our bounty, maybe you should be spending your energy on demanding legal reform in Mexico and all the other countries who insist on screwing over their citizens.  There is absolutely no excuse for Mexico's poor economic performance with all that oil and natural gas resources, just look at Saudi and others.  Mexico should be on par with Canada and the US in terms of wealth, but they screwed themselves by following socialism.

We aren't the bad guys here, the bad guys are the socialist politicians in Mexico and other places who for years lived off their populations as the elites plundering their country with no regard to their own people.  Whose responsibility is that?  NOT OURS.  I don't blame the citizens of Mexico for wanting to come here to escape the arrogance of socialists and their failed policies, however, it is "their" own fault for not insisting that "their" leaders work for "their" good.  It is after all, "their" government.  BTW-Just as it is the citizens of Venezuala's fault for electing Chavez, they got what they deserve and now they are going to reap what they have sown.  They have made their bed and now they will lay in it.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

Give them what you are authorized--

Give them what you are authorized--to give them. Private property that is yours--do not give them any of mine or anything that belongs to all of us jointly. Thank you.

I believe that much more pe

I believe that much more people would die, if there wouldn't be the money transfers from the developed countries. So if I had the choice of tolerating illegal immigrants working here (and by the way creating some percentage of gdp growth), or sending them back and let them live a miserable life or worse starve, well I've chosen

Prove more people would die. Until you do, this is a bad argument with no factual evidence to back it up. Look up logical fallacies, because you are the poster child for them.

And xenophobia was your charge, in an attempt to invalidate what Warner said. It's a common tactic used by injecting a Red Herring into an argument. You've gone and taken this from a debate on immigration to a debate ostensibly on xenophobia. Do you have any more goals for this conversation?

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"We can only reason from what is; we can reason on actualities, but not on possibilities." ~ Thomas Paine

Typical liberal nonsense, Ka

Typical liberal nonsense, Kakafur and his ilk just spew what their party, leaders and professors tell them.  These lefties can't reason or distinguish fact from fantasy.  Most of their rambling makes no sense whatsoever, and if its intelligible, its probably a total non sequiter.   These fanatical nutters make the fantastic assumption that the borders don't exist.  When someone shows them the facts, like any crazy fanatic they just throw out a hodge podge of blather.  Their first tactic in almost any debate is almost always to call someone "racist" or some variation on that theme.  Then they try the pity angle.  Then they just start repeating any crazy liberal idea that pops into their tiny, muddled heads.  All the while feeling good about themselves because they can parrot tired wornout tripe; liberals like Kakafur would be funny if they weren't so pathetic.

All liberal news sources suff

All liberal news sources suffer from "blamitis" - the continual practice of blaming the United States for everything.

Warner: I'd add socialisti

Warner:

I'd add socialistic to your analysis of Mexico's economy. Third world is simply the symptom of the disease: government corruption and socialistic economic policy.

I keep saying, if they'd ju

I keep saying, if they'd just wipe all Mexican laws off the books and implement some (not even all!) of the Hong Kong Statutes Annotated from anytime before 1980 or so, the Mexicans would need to build a wall to keep people like ME out of Mexico. And despite their obvious socialistic problems, Canada's government is apparently free-enough that we don't have that many problems with their much-longer border.
JMR

warner-- a follow-on

warner-- a follow-on - to this situation is to check the  outflow of immigrants back to Central America and Mexico. Another part of it is to see if there is an attendant rise in crime by both Americans and  illegal immigrants as the number of jobs decline.  IMHO, many of those who are here illegally, contrary to bleeding hearts like kafka-- (a syllogism on my part to counter his misuse of "logical fallacy") , will remain here when the job well dries up. They have no intention of returning to their homeland.

Now, my acquanitances who have argued that the  economy will collapse if the illegal immigrants are removed have an interesting quandary in front of them.

What if the economy slows down? What, then, is the problem? Are all those employers who profited from the low wages they paid going to buy bus tickets for "visitors" to go home? (Quiet laughter.) Did they reduce the price of the goods they produced with lower wages? (Much louder laughter.) If the economy flattens or for that matter, nosedives, what then??

<sarcon> You xenophobe, you (guffaws). <sarc off>

Of course, I would stay behind. There is more to steal in America.

PS Don't forget---

PS Don't forget-- Mexico posts a 3.2% unemployment rate to our 4.6%.

ROTFLMAO!

This will not be our problem---

This will not be our problem---after the country of Aztlan is in place. Most  of the immigrants will live and work there.

&quot;...fewer newcomers...?&

"...fewer newcomers...?"  (sniff....sniff...waaaaaaa...)