Don’t you love it when childless, single, media elites offer opinions about how parents should raise their children?
Such an obvious hypocrisy was on display Friday evening as HBO’s Bill Maher not only came to Alec Baldwin’s defense concerning the actor's disgraceful voicemail to his daughter, but actually said, “I think he’s going to be a hero for this.”
I kid you not.
As the discussion of this deplorable incident began, Maher said the following on national television (video available here courtesy of our dear friend Ms Underestimated):
The first time I heard it, it was jarring. The more I hear it, the more I like it.
Check the video. I’m really not kidding. Alas, Maher was just getting warmed up:
Kids do need to be straightened out, especially upper-middle-class white kids need their asses straightened out. You know what, I think he’s going to be a hero for this.
When National Review contributor Lisa Schiffren protested saying, “I have an eleven-year-old,” Maher despicably asked, “Is she a rude, little pig?”
Now, I know Maher is a comedian, and meant that as a joke. But, how far removed from reality must someone be to ask a mother, on national television, if her daughter is a rude, little pig?
Yet, that was just the beginning of the absurdity displayed by Maher in this installment, for as the conversation ensued, his hypocrisy really came to the forefront.
In an earlier segment, Maher interviewed Democrat presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich, and seemed to support the Congressman’s government-run, universal healthcare platform. Yet, minutes later in a discussion about child-rearing, Maher said the following:
Kids have too much entitlement in this country. Kids have too much latitude. Kids have too many parents who are negotiating with them and telling them to, instead of just telling them to “Shut up, and I’m going to straighten your ass out.” They need their ass straightened out.” I’m telling you. Next time you’re on an airplane, you’ll wish Alec Baldwin was on that plane with you.
Hmmm. Kids have too much entitlement in this country. Yet, what the nation needs is another government-run entitlement program?
It seems a metaphysical certitude that Maher missed this extraordinary contradiction, doesn’t it?
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.



















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Bill Maher is an idiot.
April 28, 2007 - 13:20 ET by Free StinkerBill Maher is an idiot.
I canceled my HBO subscription so I wouldn't be helping pay his salary.
He is a jerk. I wrote the
April 28, 2007 - 13:30 ET by jiminjerseyHe is a jerk. I wrote the President of HBO before I cancelled. I actually got a response from him.
You know what Baldwin needs? A smack in the mouth. I don't usually advocate violence and I am not talking about beating him to death but I think he needs to have have arrogance knocked out of him. He thinks he is so tough. How about a boxing match between him and Geraldo?
Wow, he's serious. Sorry, Bil
April 28, 2007 - 13:28 ET by dahliatraversWow, he's serious.
Sorry, Bill, the best parents don't take that tone or use those words. They don't back down one inch from what they have to do - setting boundaries, etc. But they understand that such hostility is completely counter-productive.
after 50 years Bill is ready
April 28, 2007 - 13:36 ET byafter 50 years Bill is ready to champion the anti-Dr.Spock
botg
April 28, 2007 - 13:47 ET by Noel SheppardB,
I thought Dr. Spock advocated spankings. ns
I'd have to check, Dr Spock w
April 28, 2007 - 13:50 ET byI'd have to check, Dr Spock was the authority for raising kids in the 60s and 70s and as i remember that was the time of free whatever
botg
April 28, 2007 - 13:55 ET by Noel SheppardB,
Actually, I think Dr. Spock was big in the late '40s and '50s: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Spock
My parents followed his philosophies with their first two kids until they realized how poorly it was going. That's why I turned out best. :-) ns
i was born in 55 and can tell
April 28, 2007 - 13:57 ET byi was born in 55 and can tell you that Spock's methords were used throughout that era.
botg
April 28, 2007 - 13:59 ET by Noel SheppardB,
Yeah, I can't find anything about spanking and Spock. I know my parents followed him, and we were spanked. Of course, in my case, this sentence was always unwarranted and executed capriciously!!! :-) ns
"Capricioulsy" ?? Come on Noe
April 28, 2007 - 14:14 ET by MightyMouth"Capricioulsy" ?? Come on Noel, don't you mean "predictably" ? :-)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM
April 28, 2007 - 14:36 ET by Noel SheppardMM,
Maybe. Maybe. However, couldn't they both be accurate? :-) ns
anyway my original point was
April 28, 2007 - 14:01 ET byanyway my original point was that Dr. Spock was an advocate of nurture and Alec's rant is the antithesis of the general philosophy
Noel,Thanks for the rum &
April 28, 2007 - 16:46 ET by BlondeNoel,
Thanks for the rum & coke on the keyboard. That post should have come with a warning, guy.
I bet you still get your older siblings in a lather at family gatherings.
I had a younger sister just like you!
bdid you just call Noel a gir
April 28, 2007 - 16:49 ET byb
did you just call Noel a girlly-man ?
Nope,I said I had a sister wh
April 28, 2007 - 16:51 ET by BlondeNope,
I said I had a sister who was a little instigator, oh how I miss her.
sorry to hear you miss her
April 28, 2007 - 16:53 ET bysorry to hear you miss her
it says here that Dr. Spock w
April 28, 2007 - 13:55 ET byit says here that Dr. Spock was at odds with the authoritarian style of parenting popular at the time. No direct reference to spanking.
http://www.drspock.com/about/drbenjaminspock/0,1781,,00.html
Spock was still BIG in the 60
April 28, 2007 - 14:06 ET by bigtimerSpock was still BIG in the 60's and early to mid seventies.
I was so sick of hearing about him and how to raise my kids.
Hi bigtimer, I worked in a
April 28, 2007 - 16:39 ET by jmad627Hi bigtimer, I worked in a bookstore in the late '80s, and Spock's books consistantly flew off the shelves.
Hi back jm,I almost said thro
April 28, 2007 - 17:12 ET by bigtimerHi back jm,
I almost said through the eighties, but heck, I wasn't paying attention by then to too much except raising my family...and a lot of the other stuff that goes with life and such...lol!
I didn't pay attention to anybody who told me how to raise kids anyway, it is something that should be within you to begin with in my opinion.
Unfortunately we have a society created by the left that they and they alone know best and idiots follow....agenda agenda agenda...depend on the government, at our tax dollars and the sweat off our backs to support the teat they suck off of.
You got that right BT my fr
April 28, 2007 - 18:15 ET by jmad627You got that right BT my friend, It doesn't take a village, just good old American common sense.
poltergeist?
April 28, 2007 - 17:17 ET bypoltergeist?
AGAIN WITH THE SPACING AND BREAKS!!!
April 28, 2007 - 17:39 ET by drillanwrTrue story ... Honest to G-d! For years I couldn't understand why my Mother wouldn't allow my younger sisters to have Dr. Seuss books. Anytime his name was mentioned, or when the Grinch was on TV during Christmas season, she would snipe how Dr. Seuss wrote in his books how parents shouldn't spank their kids (something my Mother and Father turned into a sport ...). Anyhow, a couple years ago she was over and saw the stack of Dr. Seuss books I had for my daughters. She again repeated the Dr. Seuss wrote parents shouldn't spank their kids mantra ... To which I responded, "Mother, that was Dr. Spock, not Dr. Seuss." (Mom) "Dr. Spock? From Star Trek?" You would have understood the look on my face after that question as I responded, "No, Mother. That was Mr. Spock. He didn't write any parenting manuals. He wasn't real. DOCTOR Spock, Mom. It was Dr. Spock that wanted to take all the fun out of spanking the kids of baby boomers ... Dr. Seuss just wrote nonsensical poems and silly illustrations that he used in his books for the kids of the hippy drug generation ..." I think, to this day, she's still confused about it all ... This IS why I relate so deeply to poor Ralphie Parker ("A Christmas Story") and his Lifebouy soap / wait `til I come home as a grown-up and I'm blind because of my parents experiences.
I always thought the Vulcan methods were most effective
April 28, 2007 - 17:11 ET by Carl Kolchak"after 50 years Bill is ready to champion the anti-Dr. Spock"
I always thought the Vulcans had the best methods for raising kids.
I also remember hearing the phrase "Vulcan Death Grip" and I knew that I better be on my best behavior.
"I've always been crazy, but it's kept me from going insane" Waylon Jennings
Kids have too much entitlem
April 28, 2007 - 13:39 ET by CrimsonfistedAnd in general there, Bill, just what kind of parents are like that? Liberal types or conservative types? Church goers or non-church goers?
And not the youth gang members? Or the foul mouthed hip hoppers? Or the ones "concubining"?
You are the definition of arrogance and stupidity.
WhatAMaroon
Sorry gang, Maher is right IM
April 28, 2007 - 13:51 ET by Tony SSorry gang, Maher is right IMO. My folks spoke to us all the time like this and we all turned out successful. My wife and I tried to use reason, not emotion, with our kids and would up with spoiled, tattooed, disrespectful little brats. More than one authority figure has insulted children only to have the children snap into shape -- this is the way it used to be done. As Rush Limbaugh says: The teachers that help you the most are the ones that are the toughest on you.
I should have done it like my parents did. And some kids are spoiled little pigs. Better I'd called mine that at age 11 that have to think it every day when they are in their 20s, gambling their money away and getting still more tattoos. When I used to do stupid things, my dad used to say: "You're an idiot." I didn't like to hear that, but looking back, he was right: I was, in fact, an idiot.
I think parents who treat their kids like little kings and queens degenerate society. It's a shame there are as many arrogant conservatives as liberals, all of whom think their evil little spawn can do no wrong. You are American's problem, no Mr. Maher.
And calling your daughter a
April 28, 2007 - 13:54 ET by Free StinkerAnd calling your daughter a "pig" has what to do with disciplining her?
Tony S
April 28, 2007 - 13:57 ET by Noel SheppardTS,
I think there's a huge difference between being tough on your children and verbally berating them on a message machine. ns
You can be a tough, strong
April 28, 2007 - 13:58 ET by CrimsonfistedYou can be a tough, strong parent without the name calling, or even the cursing. That was not right. Who said spoiling is good?
Maher is wrong.
WhatAMaroon
I will agree that kids toda
April 28, 2007 - 14:36 ET by jiminjerseyI will agree that kids today are way too spoiled. Parents are too eager to be friends with their children instead of being parents.
My father was tough. As a member of the military he was really tough. But he never, ever called me a name or belittled me like Baldwin did to his daughter.
Think about this... His daughter has to go to school and all her firends know what her father said to her and what he thinks of her. That is abuse.
Crinson...Great points...you
April 28, 2007 - 14:01 ET by bigtimerCrimson...
Great points...you are exactly right.
The part that bothered me was Maher put this in a class category...upper middle class white kids....how about all kids..in all classes.
The parents are the ones that guide their children with discipline, responsibilities and morals...of all classes, money has not one thing to do with it, or it shouldn't anyway.
You are so right. Money has
April 28, 2007 - 14:11 ET by CrimsonfistedYou are so right. Money has NOTHING to do with how well your children behave or how well they learn responsibility and morals. Maher seems to dislike the children who happen to travel with him on his fancy schmancy planes. Too bad and get over it Bill. Children, no matter how well raised or behaved, will sometimes act badly in public. And even on planes.
WhatAMaroon
One small problem with Dr. i
April 28, 2007 - 13:58 ET by SMGalbraithOne small problem with Dr. idiot, er, Maher's prediction that Baldwin will be viewed as a hero.
Baldwin has apologized for his behavior.
How can we praise Baldwin for behavior that he later says was wrong?
And I express my heartfeld apology to all idiots for comparing them to Maher.
What I also wanted to put int
April 28, 2007 - 14:12 ET by bigtimerWhat I also wanted to put into this all since it was on the video was Mahers opinion about what the Bush's should be saying... 'why not say the war is lost but it's not the troops fault'...that was despicable to me.
....and the rant from Belzer about him getting upset with the phrase 'The Rosie O'Donnell school of philosophy' from the conservative gal...
Earth to Belzer...SNAP Out of IT!
A question
April 28, 2007 - 14:34 ET by goldenthroatOnce again, had a conservative mouthed such drivel, liberals would have been calling for their head on a silver platter! Maher is as out-of-control as The Mouth on "The View". Cable systems around the country ought to be notified that subscriptions will be cancelled and HBO needs to be put on notice if this kind of crap is allowed to continue from this idiot.
Never dance on an empty stomach unless it's a liberal.
Parents and kid's make mistakes
April 28, 2007 - 17:23 ET by Carl KolchakYou are correct goldenthroat that if this had happened to someone who wasn't a left winger that the left wing MSM would have been calling for their head. Social Services probably would already have conducted a thorough investigation. However, in Baldwin's defense both kids and parents get angry at times and say things they wish they could get back. Most people have said things while angry they wish they could take back, but unfortunately they can't. Baldwin likes to badmouth people who don't have his left wing political views and acts stuck up, but I'll admit I've said things in the past I wish I could get back, but I can't.
I also hope he mellows out and plans on working on a sequel for "Thomas the Tank Engine". His performance as Mr. Conductor was brilliant, and he should have been awarded an Oscar for that.
"I've always been crazy, but it's kept me from going insane" Waylon Jennings
Maher, is kissing Baldwin's
April 28, 2007 - 17:02 ET by jmad627Maher, is kissing Baldwin's ass because he wants him on his show. I'm glad I don't have HBO, so I am NOT contributing to this overpaid horses ass.
I agree with most of these postings, calling your child names is counter productive in the least, and child abuse in the most (that sentence looks to me to be grammaticaly poor). Anyhow in my life, my mother, in frustration called me a few things, which was done to her growing up, that she now regrets, and always apologized when she was wrong. Discipline is a good thing, and not something Bill Mahar most likely familiar with.
Now Baldwin was frustrated, we all get frustrated at times, and showed poor judgement. His apology, if that's what one can call it, though, was pathetic, and Clintonian, in that whilst saying he's sorry, blamed other's for his behaviour. I thought Debra Norville was great in calling Alec on his mea culpa on "The View."
Woe is me.
Though not going as far as Bi
April 28, 2007 - 17:21 ET by dahliatraversThough not going as far as Bill Maher, this ding dong at salon.com didn't have much problem with what Baldwin did either:
Who could blame this clearly intelligent and articulate guy for wanting to leave a profession he's good at, when more people have an opinion about a voice mail message he left for his daughter than they do about his actual work?
http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/review/2007/04/27/view_baldwin/
< Edit: added a footnote >
Footnote: the ding dong is Stephanie Zacharek, a senior writer for Salon Arts & Entertainment.
Alec Baldwin and Bill
April 28, 2007 - 19:50 ET by kathleenirishAlec Baldwin and Bill Maher aren't exactly shining examples of how men should treat women, or of mature adults for that matter. Baldwin: First his wife, now his daughter. Maybe Maher just likes the way Baldwin verbally knocked down that little bitch, huh? She may not be a woman yet, but she's still a female. Bill Maher: the pompous Balwin-ass-kisser! Come on my gutter show, GAG!! It bothers me that Baldwin is getting any support at all for using that language. One can get upset and get your point across to children without using derogatory and hurtful words that can cause deep pain in children. She's a child, one that Baldwin hardly seems to see and whose age he couldn't accurately recall. I have four boys and I have never called them mean names. Names, but not mean ones....right...they're 'terms of endearment', okay???
" 'Fred's Slacks' is a winner!!"
Maher is the product of his
April 28, 2007 - 21:11 ET by GalvanicMaher is the product of his own privileged youth as the son of a New York TV celebrity. He's probably looking at Baldwin's misbehavior as just the thing he would have said in the same situation.
You know what? I'm totally fe
April 30, 2007 - 07:54 ET by BeowulfYou know what? I'm totally fed up with this sensationalist moron and all of those making excuses for him. I don't know how many times I've heard, "Maher is a comedian", as if that justifies his tripe.
That doesn't excuse his vitriolic attacks on people. He's not funny (my personal opinion), and his "show" doesn't come off as even attempting to be a comedy. It is run as a news talk show. Letterman and Leno are comedic talk shows, even though they both get too much into politics at times (especially Letterman). Maher does nothing but stack his guest list and rant against anyone he personally doesn't like. And he does so with the appearance of presenting news. He presents his whacked-out viewpoints as facts. And the worst part is, people listen...
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