Former CBS reporter Bernard Goldberg appeared on this morning's Today show to promote his new book and in the process took several jabs at wimpy Republicans who don't stand by conservative principles and the "Rosie O'Donnells of the world," that suffer from "Bush Derangement Syndrome." While Goldberg wasn't a 100 percent conservative -- he criticized the Iraq war and supports embryonic stem cell research -- it was still refreshing to hear a former member of the liberal media criticize libs on their own airwaves.
First up, NBC's Matt Lauer opened the segment by deriding Goldberg's new gig at Fox News as out of the mainstream:
Matt Lauer: "In the world of the media Bernard Goldberg used to bat lefty now he bats righty. He sold millions of books taking swings at liberals in the press. Now a regular on the Fox News Channel, Goldberg used to be a card-carrying member of the mainstream media establishment."
Then in the set-up piece before the interview Lauer took another shot when he identified Goldberg, who works with Bryant Gumbel on HBO's Real Sports, as "more than just a right wing talking head."
However the highlight of the interview came when Lauer prompted him to criticize the GOP:
Lauer: "Then you're, were kind of married to the Republican Party and now by your own definition that marriage is on the rocks. Is this a, a long brewing conflict or one fight that got you sleeping on the couch?"
Goldberg: "You're right, I did start out on the left and I was a liberal like most people and I started noticing things that I didn't like. I mean I didn't like the anger and I didn't like what I called the craziness. The, the, the Rosie O'Donnells of the world who say that radical Christians are as threatening as radical Muslims. I don't even know what radical Christians are."
Lauer: "But there as many crazies on the far right as well."
Goldberg: "Well, you know what, the mainstream liberals and the far left liberals are coming together. There's something called Bush Derangement Syndrome. I go out to dinner with my liberal friends. These are, these people are as normal as you."
Lauer chuckles: "Okay."
Goldberg: "And they're having, we're having a good, well-"
Lauer: "Is that an insult right off the bat?"
Goldberg: "And we're having a good time and we're talking and we're eating and 'how's the kids?' And, and you say George Bush-"
Lauer: "Yeah."
Goldberg: "And they start foaming at the mouth. So these are regular. Now on the right I don't have a problem with conservatives I have a problem with Republicans who don't have the guts to stand up for their conservative principles."
The following is the full segment as it occurred on the April 24th Today show:
Matt Lauer: "In the world of the media Bernard Goldberg used to bat lefty now he bats righty. He sold millions of books taking swings at liberals in the press. Now a regular on the Fox News channel Goldberg used to be a card-carrying member of the mainstream media establishment."
[On screen headline: "Between 2 Parties, Crazies, Wimps and Goldberg"]
Lauer: "He spent almost three decades as a reporter for CBS News winning six Emmy Awards. But these days Bernard Goldberg is better known for his blistering critiques of the news business."
Prof. Robert Thompson, Syracuse University: "There's a street cred that comes from having been on the inside that I think a lot of other people don't have."
Lauer: "In 1996 he wrote an op-ed column in the Wall Street Journal accusing network news divisions of promoting a liberal agenda. The fallout from that column eventually led to his leaving CBS News and to his first book, Bias, which became a bestseller. Goldberg followed that up with Arrogance, referring again to the media. And more recently he took aim at a wide range of targets in 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America."
Bernard Goldberg, from August 2005, Today show appearance: "The people in the middle of the country get the central message of the book, that the culture has gotten too angry, too mean and too vulgar."
Thompson: "It looks like he was sent down by central casting to play elite, East Coast media guy. At the same time he then has turned around and every time he opens his mouth he's playing, you know, Mr. Populist against the elitism of the media."
Lauer: "But Goldberg is more than just a right wing talking head. He's distinguished himself with award-winning work on HBO's Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel. As described in the title of his new book, Crazies to the Left of Me, Wimps to the Right, Goldberg has staked out his own unique perspective on the intersection of media and politics. Bernard Goldberg, Bernie good to see you. Good morning."
Bernard Goldberg: "You know that youtube kid?"
Lauer: "Yeah?"
Goldberg: "I called him and he hung up on me."
Lauer: "He did? You just cost him another 50 cents apparently. You were married to the Democratic Party, that broke up, okay?"
Goldberg: "Right."
Lauer: "Then you're, were kind of married to the Republican Party and now by your own definition that marriage is on the rocks. Is this a, a long brewing conflict or one fight that got you sleeping on the couch?"
Goldberg: "You're right, I did start out on the left and I was a liberal like most people and I started noticing things that I didn't like. I mean I didn't like the anger and I didn't like what I called the craziness. The, the, the Rosie O'Donnells of the world who say that radical Christians are as threatening as radical Muslims. I don't even know what radical Christians are."
Lauer: "But there as many crazies on the far right as well."
Goldberg: "Well, you know what, the mainstream liberals and the far left liberals are coming together. There's something called Bush Derangement Syndrome. I go out to dinner with my liberal friends. These are, these people are as normal as you."
Lauer chuckles: "Okay."
Goldberg: "And they're having, we're having a good, well-"
Lauer: "Is that an insult right off the bat?"
Goldberg: "And we're having a good time and we're talking and we're eating and 'how's the kids?' And, and you say George Bush-"
Lauer: "Yeah."
Goldberg: "And they start foaming at the mouth. So these are regular. Now on the right I don't have a problem with conservatives I have a problem with Republicans who don't have the guts to stand up for their conservative principles."
Lauer: "You're getting increasingly difficult to label, that's for sure because you talk about specifics. For example you say, talking about Republicans, 'They sold out on illegal immigration.' You call them, 'sniveling wimps,' for not opposing affirmative action more strongly-"
Goldberg: "Right."
Lauer: "And yet you think the gay marriage ban, unnecessary. You criticize the Republican Party as a party that panders to fundamentalists who think evolution is a fairy tale. And by the way you're all for embryonic stem cell research. So where are you now?"
Goldberg: "I, I'm, I'm on the right. My friends, my liberal friends say I've gone over to the dark side."
Lauer chuckling: "Yeah."
Goldberg: "You know? They and they actually say to me, 'You're not a conservative.' And I say, why not? They say, 'Well you're not a bigot, you don't drool on yourself, you're not married to your sister.' You know? That's how liberals see conservatives. And I am conservative. Let's put it this way. Maybe my liberal friends moved so far to the left that they just left me on the right. But, but I am conservative. I like conservative ideas. I like the optimism of conservatives. I don't like the wimpiness of Republicans."
Lauer: "And, and you bash Republicans. You also bash some Democrats in the book. Let me talk about the war in Iraq because so many people are talking about it. You were opposed to it from the very beginning."
Goldberg: "Yeah."
Lauer: "You're convinced that no matter what happens Democrats are gonna blame George Bush but about Republicans you say, 'Make no mistake-'
Goldberg: "Yeah."
Lauer: "'-if Bill Clinton had dragged us into this war the same conservatives who impeached him for lying about sex with an intern would have impeached him all over again. This time, this time for being a reckless commander-in-chief who went too far for all the wrong reasons.' So why aren't there stronger conservative voices right now speaking out against George Bush and this war?"
Goldberg: "I think there's a loyalty to a Republican president and it's, it's, this is one of the things wrong with the culture. If I agree with somebody on the left I'm giving ammunition to the enemy and if some liberal gives, agrees with, with somebody on the right they're giving, you know, ammunition to the enemy."
Lauer: "But at what cost loyalty?"
Goldberg: "Oh I think it's gone too far. I think, I think this war is a mess and I think the hypocrisy on both sides is overwhelming. On the right the hypocrisy is they would never support Bill Clinton or Al Gore or John Kerry or Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton if they got us into this mess. And on the left my liberal friends, you know, they're against torture, they're for womens' rights. They can't give George Bush two seconds, just two seconds of visceral, unadulterated joy that he shut down the state-sponsored torture chambers. That kids and their fathers aren't getting shot in the head by, by the government. That women aren't being raped to get information from their husbands. The hypocrisy on the left is pretty bad too. They can't give him just, give him credit for that much, at least."
Lauer: "And by the way you write eloquently and passionately about race in this country, something that's a topic of conversation, again following the whole Imus situation. It's an interesting book Bernie. Always good to have you."
Goldberg: "Matt always a pleasure talking to you, thanks."
Lauer: "Good seeing you. The book is Crazies to the Left of Me, Wimps to the Right. And you can read some excerpts on our Web site."
—Geoffrey Dickens is the senior news analyst at the Media Research Center.



















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Bernie was also on Tim Russ
April 24, 2007 - 17:12 ET by kevcadBernie was also on Tim Russerts CNBC show over the weekend. I only caught a part of it. Any chance of some video from these appearances?
"I don't even know what
April 24, 2007 - 17:29 ET by j. frank wilson"I don't even know what radical Christians are." While I suggest it's "who," not "what," the whom I would suggest to start with is the Rev. Fred Phelps. Fits my definition of a radical [right-wing] "Christian."
No, frank, in his context, "what" is correct.
April 24, 2007 - 17:42 ET by RJNo, frank, in his context, "what" is correct. You just wanted to be able to toss in a name....
If Mr. Goldberg really doesn'
April 24, 2007 - 18:22 ET by j. frank wilsonIf Mr. Goldberg really doesn't understand what a radical Christian is, he would be well advised to spend more time reading books and less time writing them (or coloring in them).
Does he honestly believe there is such thing as a radical Muslim but not a radical Christian or radical Jew? What a maroon...
And here's another name: Eric Robert Rudolph.
Radical Jew??!?!?!?! WTF are
April 24, 2007 - 19:01 ET by Mr. KafirRadical Jew??!?!?!?! WTF are you talking about??? Name a radical sect of Judaism or any follower that is approved of by mainstream Jews???
No response. Just as I though
April 24, 2007 - 19:03 ET by Mr. KafirNo response. Just as I thought. You are an ignorant Jew-hating prick.
Gee - thanks for the 2 minute
April 25, 2007 - 11:44 ET by j. frank wilsonGee - thanks for the 2 minute window! Probably not the only thing you do in 2 minutes.
Anyway - how about Rabbi Kahane? Or the Sterm Group - Gang, if you prefer.
There are others. Read "Arab and Jew" - an absolutely fascinating book. Highly recommended. There are a plethoria of Jewish and Arab - Muslim and Christian - radicals named there.
Your question, of course, is a joke. If a radical group is endorsed by the mainstream then it wouldn't be radical, would it? About as much as I would expect from you.
PS: Do you eat with that mouth?
j. frank - there is a diffe
April 25, 2007 - 12:49 ET by Dee Bunkj. frank - there is a difference between radical and fringe. Radical has to do with deviation from a previously accepted norm. The people you speak of are on the fringe. Yes they are radical but what he is referring to are radicals that are not fringe. Radical Islam has a huge following in the hundreds of thousands if not millions. There is no Christian group that comes even close in numbers. There is a huge difference between radical people and radical movements.
DB: Your post is thoughtful
April 25, 2007 - 13:11 ET by j. frank wilsonDB: Your post is thoughtful and well-reasoned. Nicely done!
Dee, I agree with Frank, nice
April 25, 2007 - 13:17 ET by MightyMouthDee, I agree with Frank, nice post. I'll just leave off his patronizing tone.
<rolling eyes at frank>
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Wrong. Eric Robert Rudolph is
April 24, 2007 - 19:06 ET by Mr. KafirWrong. Eric Robert Rudolph is not a radical Christian, he's a criminal. Learn the difference you ignorant f*ck.
Yeah, I recall Eric scream
April 24, 2007 - 19:13 ET by JerryYeah, I recall Eric screaming "Christ be praised" as he chopped off the heads of his hostages.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
"Eric?" You're on
April 25, 2007 - 11:51 ET by j. frank wilson"Eric?" You're on a first-name basis with this thug?
Yes J.Frank, we "radical
April 25, 2007 - 12:29 ET by JerryYes J.Frank, we "radical Christians" are all on a first name basis. Uh oh.. I called you J.Frank. I'm now on a first name basis with you.. AAARRRRGGGG.. That means either you are a radical Christian or I am a left-wing loon. Oh the humanity!
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
So - radical Christians can't
April 25, 2007 - 11:46 ET by j. frank wilsonSo - radical Christians can't be criminals? Or is it that criminals can't be radical Christians?
Fascinating...
Come on Frank. Show me one mu
April 25, 2007 - 11:57 ET by JerryCome on Frank. Show me one murder where the killer thought he would be rewarded by Jesus if he killed women & children. Show me one instance where someone crashed an airliner while shouting "Christ be praised". Show me one Christian school where they are teaching the children to kill as many infidels as possible.
As Christians, we are followers of Jesus. Therefore we are to treat others as we would like to be treated, to turn the other cheek when someone wrongs you, to return good for evil. There is no comparison.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Jerry:Apparently there is a g
April 25, 2007 - 12:25 ET by j. frank wilsonJerry:
Apparently there is a gap between teachings and practice:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
Although I don't believe the fact that Rev. Fred Phelps never shot anyone keeps him from being a radical.
Frank, frank frank.. Let's be
April 25, 2007 - 12:43 ET by JerryFrank, frank frank.. Let's be frank. Did you read the wiki? This took place during a civil war, where the various factions participated in massacre after massacre. This has nothing to do with Christian attrocities. This has to do with war.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
So somehow it's ok because it
April 25, 2007 - 13:24 ET by j. frank wilsonSo somehow it's ok because it was during a war? There can't be atrocities during war? Huh?
And what was the war about in the first place? To call your point circular would be a complement - that would imply it was somehow organized or complete.
Ahhh. There is your problem
April 24, 2007 - 19:48 ET by c5thenYou believe that people are what they say, instead of what they do.
Rudolph was just as evil as the people he was against.
Lets see, if you define radical as a person who goes to the extreme of a ideology or belief..
A radical Christian would be Mother Theresa
A radical Jew..Hmmm, Yahushua Ha Moshiac (the west calls him "jesus") or maybe a mamber of the sect called Hasidiq (Ha Tsidiq - The Rightous).
Calling yourself something does not make it so. It's your actions that tell your mind set. "You will know them by their fruit".
/Stands and claps....here her
April 25, 2007 - 13:56 ET by The Wicked Conservative/Stands and claps....here here c5then. All the pc muslim apologists that compare christians to muslims need only look at the horror on a christians face when some loon claims to act for Christ while committing atrocities. Then take a look at the "peace loving muslim" smile when the "martyr" blows up a bus of israeli kids. J. Frank grow set and open your eyes to the plain truth.
Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. Talk sense to a
liberal and he calls you a racist, sexist, biggot, homophobe, denier.
No frank, the "maroon" (as always) is you.
April 24, 2007 - 19:57 ET by RJNo, frank, the "maroon" is (as always) you. You can't tell the difference between "what" and "who" and you can't argue logically.
In context (there's that pesky concept again), certain Muslims groups are the only ones radical enough to take their religion to the violent extremes we see today. Your attempt to compare that to any Christian or Jewish group is ludicrous.
Hey RJ,Just a thought how abo
April 24, 2007 - 20:04 ET byHey RJ,
Just a thought how about some radical liberals/leftists
Stalin Mao
Obviously you know nothing ab
April 25, 2007 - 11:48 ET by j. frank wilsonObviously you know nothing about either the history of the Middle East or current events therein. You're claiming there have been no killings by Jews or Christians in Israel or Lebanon? Read the papers...
Yeah right frank, I am scared
April 25, 2007 - 11:53 ET by MightyMouthYeah right frank, I am scared to death to wonder into a jewish or christian neighborhood for fear of being blown up by some bomb wearing fanatical joo or christian. Happens all the time.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
frankie is being even more illogical than usual
April 25, 2007 - 12:03 ET by RJExactly, MM. frankie's attempts to compare today's radical Muslims to Christians or Jews is even more illogical than his usual offerings.
But I suspect that even frankie the maroon knows his argument is stupid and he's just making noise for the sake of seeing his name in "print."
Unfortunately it does happen
April 25, 2007 - 12:28 ET by j. frank wilsonUnfortunately it does happen - ignoring it won't make it go away.
And I hope your "joo" is a typo. Otherwise you'll get Special K upset.
No typo and Mr K. probably un
April 25, 2007 - 12:41 ET by MightyMouthNo typo and Mr K. probably understands. You on the other hand don't have a clue. And btw, how can I ignore something you haven't proven? Now, please go and find a link to some story where a nutjob killed innocent people and he happens to be Jewish or Christian. You know damn well what were are talking about here.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
What they're trying to tell
April 25, 2007 - 12:59 ET by sarcasmoWhat they're trying to tell you, J. Frank, is that within Islam, their ideological equivalent of Christianity's "God Hates Fags" nutcases -- called "Wahabbi" and fueled by an irresponsible but oil-rich monarchy -- occupy a niche about the size that the Catholic Church occupies within Christianity. Sure, control freaks exist in both religions, but comparing the 2 is silly considering the relative scale of control-freakery accomplished in each religion's case. What I'd like people here (especially the ones upset about homosexuality) to remember is that God really hates shrimp. If any sea creature has no fins or scales, then only sinners like me should be allowed to eat it. For stone crab claws' prices are now an abomination, and it's because you people have collectively bid them up so damn high with your sinful ways.
JMR
ROFL! Sarc, you should be doi
April 25, 2007 - 13:04 ET by MightyMouthROFL! Sarc, you should be doing this shtick for a living! :-O
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Sadly, nobody ever wants to
April 25, 2007 - 13:06 ET by sarcasmoSadly, nobody ever wants to pay for it. :)
JMR
Sarc - any idea what % of chr
April 25, 2007 - 13:09 ET by florida_chadSarc - any idea what % of christians are catholics? I find about 25% when I look it up. Do you really think 25% of muslims are wahabbi?
good question.
April 25, 2007 - 13:14 ET by sarcasmoActually, no, but my uneducated guess would be somewhere between a quarter and a third or so. I'm no expert, and the actual answer might depend on what "counts" as a Catholic, which is definitely beyond me. I'm pretty sure the "God Hates Fags" church has less than 100 members, though.
JMR
1/4 to 1/3 is about where I w
April 25, 2007 - 13:22 ET by florida_chad1/4 to 1/3 is about where I would put it also. But I don't think, at least I hope, that 25% of muslims are wahabbi. If they are we are in trouble.
No matter what we choose to
April 25, 2007 - 13:32 ET by sarcasmoNo matter what we choose to name it, please try to consider the effects of almost-unlimited Saudi oil money behind decades of the explicit teaching of hate. We're in trouble because Islam's own "God Hates Fags" arm has money like our Catholics have, if not even more. We've actually been in trouble for quite a while in the Mideast. It doesn't help when we can't even admit simple stuff like, "Iraq is now becoming a disaster because it's really 3 countries, which can only remain 'one' via a brutal/huge government -- just like the one we had problems with back when Saddam ran it." I hope that changes soon.
JMR
Sarc
April 25, 2007 - 14:05 ET by florida_chadOh - I agree about the money behind the wahabbi's. I just have some issues with you comparing catholics to the wahabbi. Maybe its the catholic in me ;-)
One group kills for their god. The other feeds the poor.
I don't know why you wanted o
April 25, 2007 - 13:19 ET by j. frank wilsonI don't know why you wanted one, but since you asked:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre
Nicely done. I throw a stick
April 25, 2007 - 13:30 ET by MightyMouthNicely done. I throw a stick and you return it. Good boy. Now find one where the perpetrators are main stream followers of judiasm or christianity and their stated goal is the obliteration of a race of people. fetch!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
No - I confused you with some
April 25, 2007 - 13:49 ET by j. frank wilsonNo - I confused you with someone who was actually trying to make a point. My bad.
Your request is absurd. Proving your posts are so stupid you don't even read them yourself. If they were mainstream they wouldn't be radical - even one as slow as you ought to be able to have figured that out.
The point was made before I g
April 25, 2007 - 14:00 ET by MightyMouthThe point was made before I got here. You just chose to ignore it. Sorry you are so confused and got your nose out of joint. That fact that you wont admit that mainstream Muslims want the destruction of Israel is a testament to your disingenuous posts here.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Big Mouth: Whether or not &
April 25, 2007 - 14:06 ET by j. frank wilsonBig Mouth: Whether or not "mainstream Muslims want the destruction of Israel" has nothing to do with whether or not there are radical Jews or Christians in this world.
Ask your parents for your allowance, go to the store, get a clue.
Don't bother coming back until you grow some manners.
Brainless one... here is the
April 25, 2007 - 14:18 ET by MightyMouthBrainless one... here is the point spelled out for you. Yes there are radicals that call themselves jews and christians. They are whackos and shuned by the mainstream. Radical muslims that want the destruction of Israel ARE the mainstream. Now don't come back till you apologize for saying I don't have manners A$$wipe.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
"Happens all the time.&q
April 25, 2007 - 12:36 ET by j. frank wilson"Happens all the time."
Sadly, it does:
http://www.amazon.com/Arab-Jew-Wounded-Spirits-Promised/dp/0142002291
Read an excellent book about Isreal and the Middle East - there's been more than enough bloodshed to go around...
"...there's been more th
April 25, 2007 - 12:46 ET by MightyMouth"...there's been more than enough bloodshed to go around"
Ya think? Really? Riddle me this batman, you're a strandid western reporter in Beruit. You see a star of david flag at one end of the road and a yellow and green flag at the other. Which way would YOU go?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Stalinism
April 24, 2007 - 21:29 ET by UnsaneWell, look who's back! My favorite Stalinist!
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Well j.frank i never knew wha
April 24, 2007 - 17:57 ET by tkeefeWell j.frank i never knew what a radical liberal was. Until I looked in the dictionary and saw your picture. :-P
Phelps has ties to Gore in the past
April 24, 2007 - 18:06 ET by Carl KolchakThe Phelps have ties to Gore in the past. In fact I think Fred Jr. was invited to the inaugaration in 1993. Now I think Gore is stuck up, but he doesn't strike me as being hateful like Phelps, so I don't compare Gore with the hatefulness of Phelps. I wonder why the left wing MSM never investigated the ties of Phelps and Gore. If the Phelps had ties to a Republican, the left wing MSM probably would have been all over it.
Fred Phelps Jr. also ran for Governor of Kansas as a Democract back in the 90's.
"I've always been crazy, but it's kept me from going insane" Waylon Jennings
Here's a story. I realize it'
April 25, 2007 - 08:16 ET by Roger the ShrubberHere's a story. I realize it's from a Repub website, but there is more info at Wiki, too.
Man, poor Frankie gets slapped upside the head once again.
What possible connection does
April 25, 2007 - 11:50 ET by j. frank wilsonWhat possible connection does this have to the original point? No matter what connections you claim - how do they keep the Rev. Fred Phelps from being a radical Christian?
He could also be claimed a Radical Gore Supporter
April 25, 2007 - 12:21 ET by Carl KolchakHe could also be labeled a "Radical Democrat Gore Supporter" too if we want to further the label based on his past ties with Gore and the Democratic party.
"I've always been crazy, but it's kept me from going insane" Waylon Jennings
Well, Sparky, I was merely de
April 25, 2007 - 13:37 ET by Roger the ShrubberWell, Sparky, I was merely debunking your original statement (Fits my definition of a radical [right-wing] "Christian."), which you conveniently "cleaned up" afterwards by dropping the [right-wing] portion of your claim.
So even Lauer admits it -you
April 24, 2007 - 17:34 ET by Dee BunkSo even Lauer admits it -you can only bat lefty if you are in the MSM but on Fox you can bat lefty or righty
It's not as simple as you pro
April 24, 2007 - 19:33 ET by artwhiteIt's not as simple as you project, strong conservatives like Novak and O'Bierne have been regulars on Meet the Press forever, Buchanan and Blankley on McClaughlin, Kudlow has his own show on CNBC, Scarborough (admittedley a centrist) one on MSNBC, Buckley gets everywhere and Bill Kristol has a regular column in Time to name a few examples of 'batting righty' in the MSM. ABC even airs Rush and Hannity and Dr Laura.... Editorial bias is another thing altogether and Fox is guilty of this too. We need to keep our facts straight if we are to convert rather than preaching only to the choir. And conversion must be the purpose...
One other thing to bear in mind, if you read their literature (know thy enemy) the far left feel that the MSM is right biased. Their heroes such as Chomsky and Zinn and Kucinich get very little time... It makes me wonder if what we are witnessing is democracy at work ie. a wooly center which pleases no-one of strong principle. As Winston Churchill said "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."
artwhite - all of the cons
April 24, 2007 - 21:34 ET by Dee Bunkartwhite - all of the conservatives you mention do opinion pieces. That is completely different. Even Bernie Goldberg for that matter - now that he's espousing "righty" opinions he is on opinion programs. That is quite different from being in the news business.
It's not the wooly center, if it were you would have just as much talk about corruption with Dem politicians and you don't. It's certainly not because being a Democrat makes someone less corrupt. If you believe that then you are hopeless. Sorry.
Every controversial issue is framed in the liberal point of view. Someone on the right is considered to have an "extreme" view if they believe abortion should be outlawed but those on the left who feel there should be no restrictions on it are not considered "extreme" most Americans are probably closer to the conservative opinion (even if they don't think it should be completely outlawed, they think it should be limited). So the only extreme position is on the left. Unfortunately most of the uninformed public just hears the buzz from the media. When I am arguing with someone about abortion they don't even know that people can get them after 3 months.
It's like that with every issue I could go on and on.
Great points Dee Bunk!!!!!
April 24, 2007 - 22:56 ET by jmad627Great points Dee Bunk!!!!!
thanks jmad - I hope Art ge
April 24, 2007 - 23:02 ET by Dee Bunkthanks jmad - I hope Art gets them
Dee bunk - You didn't acknowl
April 25, 2007 - 08:26 ET by artwhiteDee bunk - You didn't acknowledge my point that the extreme left feel very differently which makes me think that the center is actually represented by the MSM. I kow that I'm right of McCain though more centrist than Perle, and yes I'm offended by most of the media's coverage but I think you're more extreme than you realise.
The reality is that there is almost no news on the networks, there is no detailed reporting and generlly a huge amount of entertianment fluff, pharmaceutical pitches and local violent crimes.
The MSM is a capitalist product at heart and will always follow the money which they do very well capturing the majority of the people's attention.
Whether we like it or not the majority of Americans are a naive and ill-informed bunch with opinions ranging from suport for abortion in principle by a subsantial margin to support fro the dealth penalty by a huge margin to a desire for univeral health care and a greater knowledge of Brad Pitt's love life than of their own constiution.
Extreme Left v. Moderate Right
April 25, 2007 - 12:03 ET by EllisWyatt"You didn't acknowledge my point that the extreme left feel very differently which makes me think that the center is actually represented by the MSM."
Yes, the extreme left feels their views are not represented in the MSM, whereas both the moderate and extreme right feel their views are not represented. That's a significant difference.
If you're not outraged at the media, you haven't been paying attention.
I'm not sure that you sum up
April 25, 2007 - 14:44 ET by artwhiteI'm not sure that you sum up the moderate right accurately. It seems to me that the widest held views of people in the US are moderately right wing and the power of the marketplace would ensure that their views are actually met by any mainstream media and entertianment operations.
I caught Goldberg on Russert'
April 24, 2007 - 17:55 ET by Chris NormanI caught Goldberg on Russert's show (CNBC) over the weekend - he and a few other guests are the only reason I'd watch. I'm liking Goldberg more everytime I see him. His is a sane and reasonable voice.
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Have you read his books, Ch
April 24, 2007 - 18:26 ET by motherbeltHave you read his books, Chris? The first one is called "Bias" and it explains how he was employed by CBS (I think) until he had the audacity to say out loud that the media was biased. For that he was "drummed out of the corps" so to speak. His second book is "Arrogance." Both are stand-alones, but read "Bias" first, as it explains a lot. His third book "100 People Who Are Screwing Up America (and Al Franken is #37) is also a great read.
Hi motherbelt,I've read all
April 24, 2007 - 18:49 ET by jmad627Hi motherbelt,
I've read all (3) of Bernard Goldbergs's books and they are all great reads. His insiders account of the msm in general, & C. BS in particular are real eye openers, and invaluable. Dan Rather's subsiquent behavior makes one shudder at the power the msm have on all of us. Thank God for websites like this that show that not all of us are falling for it.
in regards to the previous poster concerning "radical christians." I have yet to see any radical christians fly planes into buildings, or become suicide bombers.
Well people feel realllly unc
April 24, 2007 - 19:03 ET by tracheostomyWell people feel realllly uncomfortable about dealing with their own inevitable mortality, or sins, or their relationship with a sovereign God. Some are so uncomfortable in fact, that they truly would much rather have a plane flown into them instead. =) I know Bill Maher would.
So therefore, the two are truly equal in the mind of the secularist.
As a devout fundie myself, this attitude just reinforces my belief in Christ as being either the chief cornerstone of your life, or a "stone of stumbling and a rock of offense."
-PJ
mb,I read Bias and thought he
April 25, 2007 - 10:23 ET by Chris Normanmb,
I read Bias and thought he made sense. He was still identifying himself as a Liberal then. I was mildly surprised last week when he said that he, now, saw himself as a Conservative. I knew he was moving that way...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Now a regular on the Fox News
April 24, 2007 - 21:00 ET by Conservative in the ArtsNow a regular on the Fox News channel Goldberg used to be a card-carrying member of the mainstream media establishment."
And there we have it. NBC says that Fox News is not part of the MSM establishment.
Well thank goodness for that!
April 24, 2007 - 22:43 ET by mytwocentsWell thank goodness for that! I hate the MSM!
That is a perfect name for a
April 25, 2007 - 00:08 ET by DCC1That is a perfect name for a book right now, Crazies to the Left of me, Whimps to the Right. That is exactly how I feel right now! Republicans are so frusterating, they pander to the left, and appologize for ANYTHING the crazies demand it for, making them look guilty in the public eye. GET A BACKBONE, before we all do and break off and form a real conservative party!
"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. "
-Thomas Paine 1776