'Today' Highlights Commuter Tax As Solution To Global Warming

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NBC's environmental correspondent Anne Thompson cited global warming as a primary reason to implement a new commuter tax or as she euphemistically called it, "congestion pricing," on drivers. As incoming traffic passed by her on the Holland Tunnel the Today show's Thompson began her report this way: "Good morning, Meredith. Look behind me and you'll see this is what congestion pricing seeks to reduce. The 50,000 cars a day that rumble into Manhattan through the Holland Tunnel contributing to global warming. Now global warming has long been on the environmentalist radar but today its taking center stage in our political debate."

After that eye-grabbing video Thompson went on to highlight proposals from RINO Republicans Senator John McCain and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg to cut down on greenhouse gasses and even ran a portion of an ad from Robert Redford as he challenged Americans: "Our moment is now and our challenge is to solve global warming."

On the bright side Thompson did air anti-tax complaints from commuters but never aired any skepticism to the premise of global warming itself.

The following is the full segment as it aired on the April 24th Today show:

Meredith Vieira: "How would you feel about paying extra to drive in certain areas? It is called congestion pricing and it's something Mayor Michael Bloomberg is proposing here in Manhattan to reduce traffic. As you can see driving here, no picnic. Now other cities could soon be consider congestion pricing as well. NBC's chief environmental correspondent Anne Thompson is at the entrance to the Holland Tunnel linking New Jersey with New York. Anne, good morning to you."

[On screen headline: "Car Tax, Paying Up To Cut Traffic."]

Anne Thompson: "Good morning, Meredith. Look behind me and you'll see this is what congestion pricing seeks to reduce. The 50,000 cars a day that rumble into Manhattan through the Holland Tunnel contributing to global warming. Now global warming has long been on the environmentalist radar but today its taking center stage in our political debate. America's automobiles discharge more than 20 percent of the nation's global warming emissions so as part of his energy policy unveiled yesterday Republican presidential candidate John McCain proposed a national challenge to improve electric batteries."

Sen. John McCain: "Affordable battery powered vehicles that can meet average commuter needs would help us cut oil imports in half."

Thompson: "In South Carolina environmentalists are running this ad with Robert Redford-"

Robert Redford: "Our moment is now and our challenge is to solve global warming."

Thompson: "-to get it on the agenda for Thursday's Democratic presidential debate. And it is the driving force behind New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg's proposal to charge drivers $8.00 to enter the busiest areas of Manhattan."

Woman in car: "I just think New York pays enough taxes overall. Enough taxes, enough tolls coming in."

Man in car: "It means that only rich people are gonna be able to live in Manhattan."

Man in car: "Why should I pay to drive in the city?"

Thompson: "The Mayor asks what price do New Yorkers want to pay?"

Michael Bloomberg: "With an increased asthma rate with more greenhouse gasses, wasted time, lost business and higher prices or do we charge a modest fee to encourage more people to take mass transit?"

Thompson: "London is doing it, New York may. Should the rest of the nation's congested cities travel down the same road? The average commute in this country is 25 minutes but in some places it's much higher. Los Angeles clocks in at 30 minutes. Philadelphia drivers take almost 34. It's 35 in Chicago and a temper testing 38 minutes in the Big Apple."

Alan Pisarski, Transportation policy analyst: "One of the things that congestion pricing can do is speed up the flow on streets which is much superior in terms of its carbon dioxide production than stop and go traffic."

Thompson: "And advocates also say that congestion pricing can help raise money to improve mass transit. Now while you're sitting in traffic jams this morning consider the cost of gridlock. The average driver spends 47 hours a year in delays. All those drivers waste some $3.2 billion gallons of gasoline and that costs the economy more than $63 billion. Meredith."

Vieira: "Anne Thompson thanks very much."

—Geoffrey Dickens is the senior news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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This is just knee-jerk stupidity

Like shooting yourself in the foot because you've got a wart.

So, what is the likely result of an extra $8 tax to drive into the city? middle class people will not be able to afford to drive in for their jobs anymore. Companies will begin to look elsewhere to locate. The tax base in NYC will begin to decrease.

No one should have to drive i

No one should have to drive into Manhattan to go to work unless you are a cab or limousine driver or a truck driver. I don't think there should be an increase toll for truck drivers.

This is NOT a tax. It is a to

This is NOT a tax. It is a toll.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/04/24/2007-04-24_bloombergs_congestion_fee_on_skids_in_al.html

And middle class people do not drive to work to Manhattan.

Only the richest of the rich

Only the richest of the rich can afford to live in Manhatten, so taxing those who have to drive/commute is a good way to get voted out of office. But am I smoking crack or does it seem that the hand wringing over global warming has reached neurotic levels over the past 6 years, but prior to then, had been debated in a "I like Chocolate" but "I like Vanilla" tone.

It seems the media is helping the Dems layout their agenda by talking about things the Dems don't have time to talk about because they are talking about Iraq, raising taxes, etc. And considering so mush of txes are flatout wasted and abused, I'd like to the see the candidate run on taxing commutors to reduce Global Warming. I'm in need of good comedy since the Chappelle show got nixed

Clear the roads for the elite

Clear the roads for the elite - let the trailer trash walk! Those hollywood types need their space. 

This is as stupid as the toil

This is as stupid as the toilet paper idea. Congestion fee? on top of all the other taxes we pay to drive? we've got Gas tax, car tabs taxes, toll ways (that cause congestion by the way. ever drive through Chicago? I hate having to stop every 10 miles to pay another toll. I hate it even more that sometimes you even have to pay to get off on some exits!)

This won't reduce "congestion" any at all! the only thing this will do will raise the price of every consumer good delivered to any store! But, heck, I'm all for it for just the tiny island of New York City. Sure, tax the hell out of yourselves, I don't live there.

This adds to the huge pile of

This adds to the huge pile of evidence that the APGW scam is just that: a tax-grab scam.

Definitely. If Mayor Bloomb

Definitely. If Mayor Bloomberg was truly interested in reducing congestion, then he could accomplish that easily. Just start closing off streets to automobile traffic. Remove all the traffic lights and signs from those streets and repaint them to separate bicycles from pedestrians. I mean, how much traffic congestion is there in Central Park?

But he knows that would anger cab drivers and parking lot companies (and probably a lot of other businesses). It would also result in decreased revenue for the city from parking fees and parking fines.

So he proposes his "congestion fee", which will do nothing to reduce congestion, but will bring in more cash for the city government.

Funny you should mention clos

Funny you should mention closing up streets because that was another idea of his - close up midtown manhattan to everything but public transportation and emergency vehicles during certain times of the day. See, you're thinking just like him.

Dave - there was a misconcept

Dave - there was a misconception by the story. This is NOT a tax. It is a toll or fee only for those driving into Manhattan during certain times on certain days:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/04/24/2007-04-24_bloombergs_congestion_fee_on_skids_in_al.html

On taking a page from London

This has been going on in London since 2003.  I would not be the least bit surprised if the London scheme has inspired New York to do the same. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

The idea did come from what L

The idea did come from what London did. From my travels before and after there was a distinct difference in my ability to commute from the Heathrow into London.

They are looking at this thro

They are looking at this through green colored glasses. I think this has less to do with global warming and a whole lot more to do with solving the worsening congestion in Manhattan during peak business hours. On a daily basis there is not reason for someone commuting to work in Manhattan to drive their car in every day. The tri-state area has the most developed mass transit system in the world. The increased tolls will go directly to improved mass transit.

I would oppose an increased toll for trucks who have no other choice and must drive into Manhattan.

But many people don't "j

But many people don't "just drive to work" even in Manhattan. People run errands before work, during luch hours, and after work. Driving a car is often more convenient than relying on mass transit.

In addition, if NY imposes this "commuter tax" other cities that have less-developed mass transit may think it's a good idea too and impose their own taxes because of the possible revenue to pay for unrelated government programs--not to finance the touted solutions. Down the road the tax will continue to be increased because the politicians will claim the current rate just isn't enough...the fact is there will never be "enough" money for any program, that is why I am ALWAYS against more or higher taxes. Government will always find more worthless and bigger holes to dump our money into.

Also the Higher Tax Mongers miraculously only use half of the basic principle of economics: "If you want more of something, tax it less.  If you want less of something, tax it more."  They are always willing to have more and higher taxes to control or stop certain behaviors/products, but never willing to lower or repeal taxes to help out the economy.

"When life gives you lemons, make lemonade, and then toss it in the face of the person who gave you the lemons until they give you the oranges you asked for in the first place!" --Bill McNeal, NewsRadio episode 3.17

Most people who live in Manha

Most people who live in Manhattan do not own a car because they don't need one.

Again this will effect the suits who live int he burbs and are too lazy to park and get on a train or their company pays for a monthly parking spot. People who live in NYC and commute by car do so to the outer boroughs or to outside the city - not the other way around. This will have no affect on companies based in Manhattan.

However, there must not be any incremental toll on trucks doing business in Manhattan. That would affect business.

Ok, here's a question, so if

Ok, here's a question, so if the 55,000 people (assuming one per car, most likely 1.5 to 2) were to stop driving into the City but take the subway, could the subway handle an extra 55,000 to 80,000 people a day each way?????  Is this a case of: "Careful what you ask for, you just might get it."  Also, Can the Path trains handle that much more, since they would have to bring in all those NJ commuters to get to NYC in the first place?????  Is what they are proclaiming even feasible?

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

Right now all rail lines and

Right now all rail lines and express buses can handle that kind of an increase easily. It's been done before. I think it is silly that Bloomberg feels he needs to pander to the lunatic left of GW true believers to take the edge off  of this.

I would not want to see any increase for trucks who are doing business in Manhattan.

Then really what it comes dow

Then really what it comes down to is why anyone would want to drive in downtown Manhattan, I know I sure wouldn't unless I absolutely had to.  The last time I was there, all the cars had dents in them, they drove like maniacs weaving from lane to lane and there wasn't a whole lot of places to park your car once you got to where you were going.  I can not imagine the monthly fee to park your car, I hear some say it's around a $400/month for off street parking.  You have to be making good money to even consider spending this kind fee.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

With the choice of sitting in

With the choice of sitting in bumper-to-bumper traffic for 1.5 to 2.0 hours each way, or sitting in a comfortable air conditioned train or bus I never understood why anyone would choose the former. Plus the cost.

I would suppose if you live i

I would suppose if you live in the City and really want a car for weekend trips and vacations, one could rent a space at a storage space for cheap outside the City in suburbs???  Rent a garage space?

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

You are right. My son lives i

You are right. My son lives in Manhattan since getting out of college and he has no use for a car day-to-day. When he needs one he rents it. It's a lot cheaper than the car, the parking, and the very high car insurance rates. He has a girfriend who lives in Manhattan and works on Long Island. She does the reverse commute by keeping her car in a rented space near the Long Island Railroad station where she gets off.

I just ran across an intersti

I just ran across an intersting site with automated parking, very interesting, and confirms $400/month is the going rate for off street parking.  http://www.autoblog.com/2007/03/05/slideshow-of-nycs-first-automated-parking-garage/  The advantage I see here is space savings but more importantly security from car thieves, vandalism and valet parking jockies.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

D - The story was wrong. This

D - The story was wrong. This is NOT a tax. It is a toll or fee only for people driving into Manhattan during certain times on certain days.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/04/24/2007-04-24_bloombergs_congestion_fee_on_skids_in_al.html

Don't laugh; this is EXACTLY

Don't laugh; this is EXACTLY what happened in DC. When Metro became more "plentiful" and more "convenient" ways to get to Metro appeared (the Green line opened, stations located near the Capital Beltway opened, employer-subsidized travel expenses, etc.), the traffic on the DC Metro Rail skyrocketed. Train cars are now packed solid during Rush Hours. Metro was not prepared to handle the increase.

NYC says their trains can handle the load? I'll believe that when I see it. The subways and PATH trains are already packed solid.

Dear Gat New York I think you

Dear Gat New York I think you'll find most of the 'suits' live in Manhattan, which has priced out anyone not earning $100k plus (and I'm not including kids just out of college splitting $4k/month rents 3 and 4 ways, I'm talking families) and those beyond the city boundaries in Long Island, Westchester, CT...But I guess you've never been to Brooklyn or Queens or the Bronx or Staten Island where normal people live such as the policemen and firemen who keep you safe.
Also thanks for deciding for me how I should prefer to travel, give me your number so I can ask you what I want to eat for lunch tomorrow would you.

Art - How long have you lived

Art - How long have you lived in or worked in Manhattan that you are such an expert in the field of city commutation?

Actually I grew up in Brooklyn and Queens, lived in Manhattan before moving to Long Island, and my son now has an apartment on the East Side of Manhattan. I have worked my entire career in Manhattan. So I can tell you that only an idiot drives their car into Manhattan to work unless they are a policeman, taxi driver, limo driver, an emergency worker, or a truck driver.

As to your facts, most of the suits do not live in Manhattan so kindly tell me where you made that up from? And you better be making north of $150K/yr. or have a roommate in Manhattan.

The biggest problem with this posting is that Bloomberg is NOT proposing a tax of any kind. He is proposing a toll or fee upon entering the city at a certain time:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/04/24/2007-04-24_bloombergs_congestion_fee_on_skids_in_al.html

In the future before you start insulting people you better be a hell of a lot smarter and have done just a tad of research.

"...proposing a toll o

"...proposing a toll or fee..." = "...proposing a tax..."

"When life gives you lemons, make lemonade, and then toss it in the face of the person who gave you the lemons until they give you the oranges you asked for in the first place!" --Bill McNeal, NewsRadio episode 3.17

There is a BIG difference bet

There is a BIG difference between a tax on something that does not affect you and a toll that directly does. Do you mean to tell me that you equate a bridge toll with a tax?

toll1 /toʊl/ Pronu

toll1 /toʊl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[tohl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation,
–noun
1. a payment or fee exacted by the state, the local authorities, etc., for some right or privilege, as for passage along a road or over a bridge.

2. the extent of loss, damage, suffering, etc., resulting from some action or calamity: The toll was 300 persons dead or missing.

3. a tax, duty, or tribute, as for services or use of facilities.

4. a payment made for a long-distance telephone call.

5. (formerly, in England) the right to take such payment.

6. a compensation for services, as for transportation or transmission.

7. grain retained by a miller in payment for grinding.

–verb (used with object)

8. to collect (something) as toll.

9. to impose a tax or toll on (a person).

–verb (used without object)

10. to collect toll; levy toll.

[Origin: bef. 1000; (n.) ME, OE toll (c. D tol, G Zoll, ON tollr), assimilated var. of OE toln < LL tolōnéum, for telōnéum < Gk telōneǐon tollhouse, akin to tel nés tax collector, télos tax; (v.) ME tollen, deriv. of the n. ]

—Synonyms 3. tariff, levy, impost, exaction.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) From www.dictionary.com

Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

You seem to be so vehemently against this toll being called a tax. I've gotta ask, are you really Michael Bloomberg? You can deny that it's a tax all you want...it is still a tax.

Tolls are taxes. Tolls for bridges and roads are taxes that pay for the construction and maintenance of the bridge or road. Tolls are consumption taxes.

"When life gives you lemons, make lemonade, and then toss it in the face of the person who gave you the lemons until they give you the oranges you asked for in the first place!" --Bill McNeal, NewsRadio episode 3.17

Tolls are consumption tax - -

Tolls are consumption tax - - -  that I would agree with that. You also pay fees for drivers license and car registrations - are you against those? The point of this toll is to get people not to drive into the city during certain times and instead take mass transit which actually saves commuters money. Whatever revenue is generated is to be used to improve mass transit.

To put it another way, a tax

To put it another way, a tax is charged regardless of the usage of a government service/operation, whereas the toll is strictly voluntary.  When driving in Houston, a driver can use the Sam Houston Tollway, Westpark Tollway or Hardy Toll Road for a fee, or just keep driving on other highways he/she has already paid for with their taxes and registration fees. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Thanks. Mayor Bloomberg would

Thanks. Mayor Bloomberg would prefer to not collect the toll and not have the car enter Manhattan during those times.

For those whose lived in NYC prior to Mayor Guiliani and Bloomberg you can appreciate the amazing job these men did in transforming the city into what it is today. Based on their track record of success I would give them the benefit of the doubt when it came to new ideas like this one.

Yes. A bridge toll is a tax

Yes. A bridge toll is a tax on the people who use the bridge. A commuter toll is a tax on people who use the roads. A toll road is a tax on people who use that particular road to get to work. (This is routinely the description used about the Dulles Toll Road in Northern Virginia--its fee is considered by most who use it as a tax that is leveed on those who don't want to get stuck on Rt. 7 or U.S. 29 or U.S. 50.) It's not some harmless little "fee", it's a tax. I suggest you get a dictionary and look up the definition of "toll" sometime.

Signed, a regular commuter on the Dulles Toll Road in Northern Virginia

I would think anybody who liv

I would think anybody who lives or works in NYC would look foward a little time by themselves seeing as how they live cheek by jowl.
As for "temper testing"... you choose how you react to any situation. You wanna blow a gasket, have at it. You think you're so GD important everybody gotta get outta your way, well I got a suggestion for you pal.
And BTW, so called greenhouse gases got nuttin' to do wit nuttin" about whatever it is you're whining about so fergedaboudit. In fact, without them the planet would be dead.

Meredith Vieira: &quot;How wo

Meredith Vieira: "How would you feel about paying extra to drive in certain areas? It is called congestion pricing and it's something Mayor Michael Bloomberg is proposing here in Manhattan to reduce traffic.

  All of the GW solutions proposed will be on the backs of the poor.  The poorer you are the higher proportion to income of these new taxes.

  When John Edwards talks about the 'Two Americas' I thought he was against it.  But evidently that is the future for the country as is proposed by the dems and the media.

More tax on top of the 8 bu

More tax on top of the 8 bucks you already have to pay to get in?  Take the train.  Trucks only into Manhattan from now on! and absolutely NO limos allowed.  Let them rich folks take the train too.

Actually poor people, like mo

Actually poor people, like most people, don't drive into Manhattan to go to work. It's a lot easier to take the subway, trains, or express buses. This will primarily hit the suits who live in the burbs and buy a parking garage spot every month. They are also the same people who vote for Hillary and buy into this GW stuff. This is something I have seen work in London. It has zero to do with global warming, but if that is what Bloomberg needs to do to get this passed he'll do it.

So basically, the Mayor wants

So basically, the Mayor wants to raise revenue in an over taxed area to pay for some program to buy votes and Global Warming is as good as any other issue to give him the cover to do so.  I guess it's the best of both worlds politically, more money to buy votes and claim your doing something to save the environment to boot.  What a scam!

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

No, just politics. Remember B

No, just politics. Remember Bloomberg, like Guiliani, are Republican mayors in a very heavily Dem city and state. Democrats in the suburbs don't vote for Bloomberg so why should he care what they think and if he get more revenue from them.

It doesn't work in London, my

It doesn't work in London, my Mother lives there I know, it just creates far worse congestion outside the central zone.

The biggest issue in NYC is inconsiderate, selfish and illegal driving.
At rush hours people continuously block junctions with their selfish behavior causing gridlock throughout the system.
Also the yellow cab inspired antic of stopping in the middle of the street to pick up and drop off even when there's a space you can pull in - which there always is because of the hydrants- creates disruption which has a massive ripple effect.
On the expressways people cause huge back-ups by not staying in the lane designated for their exit ramp instead blocking ongoing traffic while they try to push in illegally from a middle lane.
We need more traffic cops and large instant fines for these law breakers, you'll soon see traffic speeding up.

Art - once again you are wron

Art - once again you are wrong. Not only have I been traveling to London on business for many years, I can tell you that the trip from the airport into the city is a hell of a lot better than it used to be. That could also be corroborated by two CEOs of major corporations who live there.

Regarding you contention that the problem in NYC with congestion can be laid to you litany of complaints is frankly humorous.

All I can say is don't take up a career in urban planning.

I'll bet this is only the

I'll bet this is only the first attempt to tax people into financial oblivion. At some point we, as taxpayers will have to do our own "Boston Tea Party"

Bloomberg is an idiot.  He m

Bloomberg is an idiot.  He may have gotten rich with the Bloomberg workstation and now TV, but this idea is right up there with rent control or how to burn out the center of your city in just a couple of decades.  The insidious thing about it is, like rent control, the "result" takes a long time to become apparent and even longer to correct.  Bloomberg will be long gone before that.   

Meanwhile, those rich people in Manhatten are going to eventually move to other places too when the maids, butlers, and other lowly people that do everything but wipe their a@@es (that's apparently the domain of Cherly Crow now, but just one square!) stop showing up for work because it costs more to get back and forth to work then their being paid. 

By the way, the two nicompoops (sp?) that gave the report are whisked back and forth from their posh homes via limos.  What do they care how the "other America" gets by?

And like the tobacco tax, if

And like the tobacco tax, if it doesn't work, hey, at least the government has made money on it - and isn't that what's really important? Michael Bloomberg is the new John Lindsay - the undertaker burying New York City - and having fun doing it!

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

Yeah, lets TAX somebody for g

Yeah, lets TAX somebody for going to their JOB! Sounds like a liberal idea. Meanwhile, lets RAISE welfare for people that sit on their arse and don't HAVE to commute. Sounds like another liberal idea.

I didn't know Sheryl Crowe wa

I didn't know Sheryl Crowe was advising Mayor Bloomberg now? 

What's next?  A fine for people farting?  How about we help the Amish people out and have them carry people in Horse and buggy's? 

Also I'm the only one missing this?  A majority of the time that traffic is congested is because of piss poor city planning that has allowed the area to become overgrown and they have not dealt with it properly.  So if traffic is congested, it is the fault of the city for not dealing with traffic adequately and not having the foresight to see that if they are developing a certain area they should also think about easier access and things like that.

Mike - city planning goes bac

Mike - city planning goes back to the 1800's. Manhattan simply a tiny island with a greater concentration of concrete per square inch than what is in the combined skulls of the Democratic party leadership. Only innovative mass transit and limiting the access of private autos in midtown are the answers. There is just not enough room.

But isn't that what Mixed Use

But isn't that what Mixed Use Planning supposed to solve???  If a building houses both residential, retail and office space, theoretically you could live very close to work to avoid needing to drive or take mass transit.  Ultimately, it is the City Planner's fault for not properly considering a master plan of development.  It doesn't matter that some buildings have been there for a 100 years, buildings are torn down and put up all the time in NYC.  Heck, just look at the Bronx where rent control caused hundreds of buildings to go vacant and then be torn down.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

Unfortunately we are living w

Unfortunately we are living with the Robert Moses plans of post WW II. Guiliani was enormously successful in changing that and revitalizing the NYC. 25 years ago you could not walk through most neighborhoods in Manhattan and now there are few you cannot. Revitalization of real estate in nearly all sections of Manhattan have driven up values. Even parts of Brooklyn are now considered prime areas to live. What got left behind is transportation and mass transit. Pataki fought to relocate Penn Station to a larger facility and to open up addition rail entries into the city. All that takes years to construct. The long term vision in Manhattan is to be car-less.

If I have to do anything that

If I have to do anything that would inconvenience me such as pay taxes or reduce my toilet paper consumption to save the planet - you can count me out. It is my God given right to consume as much as I want - whether it be gas, energy or toilet paper!

What has the planet done for me besides give those stupid liberals a reason to steal my money and make my life harder?  

Congestion

Actually congestion based pricing in New York City would lead to higher emissions and pollution. That is because there is no efficient way to collect tolls on the entry ponts below 86th street.  Traffic will back up waiting to pass through barriers.

Mid-town Manhattan congestion is really not that bad. Cross town traffic on 34th St. is about the worst. By a trip on 23rd street cross town takes minutes. The biggest surprise to me during the years I worked in Manhattan was how light the traffic actually was.

Such ideas are not really about "green house" gasses or "pollution" They are about revenue.

I got a crazy idea. How about

I got a crazy idea. How about Mayor Bloomberg order everyone out of Manhattan. Then wall off that part of New York City. Then you take all the prisoners from around the nation and dump them into Manhattan. Yeah..its a crazy idea. Maybe Hollywood will make a movie about it.

People's DJ...They already ha

People's DJ...

They already have, it was called 'Escape from NY'.

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

Guess I should have use a &lt

Guess I should have use a <sarc> tag.

Commuter tax

What is really sad is, it's going to happen no matter what anybody says or does. This is being rammed down our throats at our expense. MSM now has a time slot to be filled every single time the news comes on. Forget that our coountry is being invaded, hospitals are closing, Social Security is a disaster, manufacturing is almost nonexistent Who cares about that?  Out of sight out of mind! 

I don't know why anybody ha

I don't know why anybody hasn't come up with the correct solution - just shoot all these damn polluters because they show absolutely no regard for the Polar Bears

Think it isn't coming to this?

Does the Unabomber Manifesto have a familiar ring to it? Do you think he may have ghost written anything else you know???

Taxes? So that's what all thi

Taxes? So that's what all this is about!

Stupid liberal global-warming hysterics just so they can reach deeper into our pockets. Just follow the money eh?