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Did anyone see any msm report

Did anyone see any msm report the Cheryl Crow-bat hypocrisy of needing all those vehicles for her "tour" after lecturing the rest of us on global warming? Jut wondering who picked up on this besides Fox (who had fun with it).

Sheryl Crow's gas guzzling tour

"Sheryl Crow should eat crow. The save-the-environment rocker who's on a "Stop Global Warming College Tour" with Laurie David and just proposed a limit on toilet paper usage is a big gas-guzzler. Her performance rider demands for each show include three tractor trailers, four buses and six cars for her entourage, TheSmokingGun.com reports. She also insists on 12 bottles of Grolsch beer, six bottles of "local" beer and a bottle each of "good Australian Cabernet" and "good Merlot." Crow's flack said the rider was "an old one from 10 years ago" but declined to show us a current one."  -Page Six, New York Post

(I'd be willing to bet that her demands have grown, not diminished...)

Sheryl might also want to e

Sheryl might also want to explain why she thought that a great gift for her then boyfriend Lance Armstrong was a 1970 GTO (which is a great gift). She even took part in an episode of Overhaulin' where they tricked out the GTO, which included a brand new 400 hp, 400 cubic inch engine. Is that the kind of car that Sheryl thinks we should all be driving? Doesn't sound like a very environmentally friendly car to me.

And I really want one.

GTO

I think it runs on nuts

you mean with nuts - nuts at

you mean with nuts - nuts at the wheel

Lance

I believe if Lance is at the wheel there would be one less nut, if ya know what I mean.

She does think it's OK to use

She does think it's OK to use her music to promote and encourage auto racing, as long as its of the animated variety found in "Cars."

*****

"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello

Best background art ever, in

Best background art ever, in an animated film - you just gotta love what REAL cars looked like, instead of today's jelly beans.

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

Just wondering

Just wondering: Would it be wrong to ask Sheryl to stop being a pathetic asswipe?

Pardon my francais.

*****

"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello

Now here is proof that Rosie

Now here is proof that Rosie has no sense of proportion:

http://www.tmz.com/2007/04/23/rosie-to-sheryl-crow-have-you-seen-my-ass

She is really minimizing her assets.

Yaba daba doo!  -Fred Flintstone campaign slogan

So who was the better: Rich L

So who was the better: Rich Little or Stephen Colbert? I guess if you like sophomoric heh-heh humor from a re-tread has-been impersonator hired to not bring topical issues to an audience of journalists, you'd go with Little. Faux Jimmy Carter? That's all you got? Really... Colbert kicked his butt all over. That's my take.

Rich Little was a snooze-fe

Rich Little was a snooze-fest over-reaction to Colbert. There's a high comedy-price for not offending anybody, and the audience sure paid it this year. Thank goodness for Letterman's "Top Ten Bush moments" (but even then, #4 where Bush goes for the 2 locked doors and then stands at attention grinning & waiting for his Chinese hosts to rescue him was the classic, IMO.)
JMR

Rich Little was PAINFULLY l

Rich Little was PAINFULLY lame. I hear next year, in an effort to spice things up, Bush is going to have George Gobel.

Funny Amigo, but.. Gobel is

Funny Amigo, but.. Gobel is dead!... Oh, hey I get it! ha!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

I hope you saw The Daily Sh

I hope you saw The Daily Show's John Oliver on this subject, Bal... His Jimmy Carter "impression" (fake teeth. Yup, that's all...) was so-lame they actually featured it; but then, nothing is quite as cruel as a fellow comic when any comedian bombs...
JMR

Oh I saw that alright. PAINFU

Oh I saw that alright. PAINFUL. But that's what I'd expect from someone who was last comedically relevant during the Carter administration, perhaps some of Reagan's.

It'll be interesting to see h

It'll be interesting to see how far and where the pendulum swings next year... with all respects, maybe it's good that Sam Kinnison is no longer around.

No. He'd have never been in

No. He'd have never been invited to an event like that by any President in my lifetime, but that's a bad reflection on various Presidents IMO, not Sam. Damn, do I ever miss Sam, there's nobody like him. But they wouldn't need Colbert or even Sam's ghost to swing the pendulum back from Little's Coolidge-imitation act to detectable levels of comedy. Possibilities abound. I hear Stanhope's working cheap lately, and a lame duck with uncharacteristic guts could even try for Chris Rock.
JMR

Well put. How about Carlos Me

Well put. How about Carlos Mencia? Now there's a guy that can insult with equal alacrity absolutely everyone. And still stay on the edge of comedic offensiveness. What think you?

He'd be funny, but I'd want

He'd be funny, but I'd want him to bring his midget since that's guaranteed to upset the press. Hell, I'd really want Tim Slagle for fair & balanced insulting, but there's no way I'd ever get what I want...
JMR

Mencia's a hack. There's gott

Mencia's a hack. There's gotta be someone better than that.

Sure, but you don't expect

Sure, but you don't expect to hear the likes of this from the very stage paid for by the bipartisan perpetrators Tim's mocking, do you??
JMR

Testing reading comprehension

Testing reading comprehension today….

 

Do we (bloggers) give too much attention to people like Crow, Moyers, etc… because the majority of people I talk with aren’t interested in their opinions. Sure young minds at college campuses are being indoctrinated with GW or how bad America is right now, but wouldn’t these (probably mentally unstable) people believe this anyway? It sure is fun ripping their illogical ideas and assumptions, but as someone said to me yesterday… Don’t you have better things to do.

contrary - of course no one a

contrary - of course no one admits to being influenced by them, but we know that they are because they start saying the same wacky things.

It's just that when dealing w

It's just that when dealing with certain people, like those 911 truthers, you aren't going to change their mind, so why try. It ends up being a shout fest and all you're doing is wastng your energy.

contrary - I can agree with t

contrary - I can agree with that - but the celebs are different.  They need to be openly ridiculed

Contrary we must always count

Contrary we must always counter any speech with proper speech.  If the yahve lies they are spouting we must counter those lies always.  When we stop we will die and the lie becomes the truth.  Just look at GW and the debate there, the opposition istrying to squelch debate because they dont want opposition and whne they do squech it then all you have is the lie which becomes the truth.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.

"Don’t you have bett

"Don’t you have better things to do"

I am sure if you did, you would be doing them.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

tsk, tsk, contrary

If you're going to snidely challenge the reading comprehension of others, perhaps you should take a course in writing clearly.  For example, your sentence above is confused because it does not make clear who you think might be "mentally unstable."  I see three possibilities.....   ;^>

???

???

Oh, THAT exhibits reading comprehension

Oh, THAT exhibits reading comprehension skills....    ;^>

That means what are the 3 pos

That means what are the 3 possibilities

If you can't figure it out for yourself....

If you can't figure it out for yourself, then you certainly shouldn't be complaining about the reading comprehension of others....   ;^>

I recall an interview with St

I recall an interview with Sting. He was asked whether all his activism in South America made sense, since the dictators he was challenging certainly didn't care about him. Sting answered that it's true, the dictators don't listen to him ... and then he slyly looked into the camera ... "but their kids do."

When Sting uses his music to save rainforests, we cheer him. But when celebrities use that same subconscious power to undermine rational conversation, we need to address it. In a country where a few thousand votes decided the last two presidential elections, every vote counts. When these celebrities pop off, maybe they don't convince anyone intelligent, but that's only part of the story. In this country, we count every vote, even from the dull and ignorant. By definition, stupid people are easily swayed by shallow arguments. That's why we need to address, fairly but firmly, every manipulation from the Whacko Left.

Sure, I'd love to ignore fools and only worry about the smart liberals. There are plenty out there, by the way. I know some of them. They're much more fun to deal with. But since these lightweight celebrities sway as many people as the heavyweights, we need to respond to them as well.

Iraq

I am so sick of the MSM/Left/Demo constant attacks on all things Bush and Iraq and the war on terror.

So I have an idea.  Bush should sign the troop funding bill with the October 1 start date for troop withdrawal.  Bring all the troops home from Iraq in 6 months.  Let the Left have their celebration and let the Dems take all the credit.

Then in the summer of 2008, Iraq and the entire Middle East will explode in war and total chaos.  Watch how the Democrat candidates run for cover and flip flop.

The world in chaos will show the American people that they cannot trust the Democrat party, which opens the door for a GOP sweep in 2008.

What do you think?

As Bush has already declared

As Bush has already declared that some future president will inherit the mess in Iraq, it would be fitting that a Republican takes the office. Then we can have a continuity of failed policy, more deaths and loss of treasure without cutting and running. Besides, the billion dollar embassy in Baghdad won't be finished until Bush leaves office, so we can finally get the infrastructue in place, up and running!

MorbidStrip would be a better

MorbidStrip would be a better name for you.  Why do you hope for failure? 

Failure

Its the liberal mindset to see failure everywhere, to always see despair, suffering, feel guilt.  The glass is always half empty.  Reid/Pelosi et al, don't care that they are playing right into our enemies' hands. 

And that's why Petraeus recen

And that's why Petraeus recently said that there is good pressure being brought on the Iraqi government to take care of their responsibilities as a result of the debate in Congress? Answer that- he's Bush's new man, on the ground. And why should we be caretakers of a democratically elected government while Americans die? Are we babysitters to the world, now? The fact is that the neocons got us into this, have been kowtowing to the fractured and incapable Iraqi since, and for what? For oil assets, pure and simple. We are in an occupation situation now, in the middle of a sectarian civil war, and our troops are dying. Simple. Your inability to consider another alternative- as Petreaus has nodded to- is the defeatism here.

mobius - that could be true b

mobius - that could be true but it is completely overshadowed by the strenght it gives to the insurgency. 

I'm so tired of the ignorance of the Oil assets argument.  The Oil companies deal with dictators and despots and prefer stability.  No oil company executives (for profit reasons) would have wanted a war in the Middle East.  They are much to conservative (financially) for that. 

No, dee, they need new assets

No, dee, they need new assets. They seek stability. We install a puppet government and they get the stability and assets. Unfortuneately, we screwed it up out of pure greed, arrogance and lack of planning and cultural understanding. Tell me it could not have been done better.

Mobius, Mobius, Geez....show

Mobius, Mobius, Geez....show some patience.  Every Harry Reid supporter likes to point out that IRaq has gone on longer thant WW II....but nobody wants to compare/discuss the WW II sacrifice in lives, compared to Iraq.   We sacrifice 45,000 lives a year in Traffic Deaths, and if you wanna Pull out of Iraq Strictly because of the cost in lives, which is terrible, then we should pull out of Detroit, Philledelphia, and Virginia Tech.  

There are OTHER measurements for Iraq.......and the Iraqi People are making MORE sacrifice than we Americans are.

How much Planning, and WHAT KIND of Planning did the Democrats put INTO the withdrawal date from Iraq in the Funding Bill ? ?   

HOW did they arrive with an 2008 date ? ?  Was it a DART BOARD PICK ?   They looked at the Election cycle and picked the date, they Sure as HELL didn't think about American Troops, or American Foreign Policy when they swamied up the date.    

DO WE really need these Deep Thinkers in Charge ?

What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ?   David Foote  GoE

I meet your cynicism with sar

I meet your cynicism with sarcasm, yet you offer a strange blend of Pollyanna and Chicken Little as a reply. Prior to invading Iraq, it was clear to me that it would become a quagmire- once in, you can't get out. Bush plays Pollyanna and you answer with Chicken Little. This is painfully obvious to you now, and should have been prior, but to hide your head in the quicksand and refuse to admit that we made a historical blunder without considering a way out is pure foolishness. The same lack of thought that got us there.

Ban Pollyanna and Chicken Lit

Ban Pollyanna and Chicken Little what horrible lessons!  Of course I'm kidding, but it seems that some kids never get it. Pollyanna is a good thing (conservatives) Chicken little bad (liberals).  Even fairy tales can't get through their thick heads

Everything is fine in Iraq. W

Everything is fine in Iraq. We've made great progress in bringing stable democracy to the Iraqis but don't dare leave yet- otherwise the sky will fall. Tell me why a president that stated "we will not engage in nation building" is so intent on wasting our lives and treasure in doing just that.

The false optimism of fools.

Did we dare leave Japan or Ge

Did we dare leave Japan or Germany in 1949? 

THINGS ARE GOING QUITE WELL ACTUALLY???????

See Mobius - you don't get it

See Mobius - you don't get it.  Pollyanna - It's making the best of the situation at hand.  It doesn't mean being foolish.  And Chicken little is about whipping people into a frenzy about a false truth (Iraq=Veitnam) and the Fox (terrorists) take advantage of that for their own purpose.  The terrorists know how to get to Chicken Little, but not to Pollyanna. 

No, Dee- Pollyanna is pretend

No, Dee- Pollyanna is pretending that everything is hunky-dory when it's not. Chicken Little is using fear to excite people into unneeded frenzy. Bush is great at both.

Mobius - You haven't read P

Mobius - You haven't read Pollyanna have you? I'm talking about the actual story not a meaning that some attribute to the word. And you don't fully understand Chicken Little. It's not just about Chicken Little it's also about the Fox. Liberals are the ones claiming that the sky is falling, Bush isn't.

Mobius:Pollyanna?  How about

Mobius:

Pollyanna?  How about some recent news from a local newspaper  in this particular case the Las Vegas paper (Some of the only decent reporting on the war comes out of local reporters who know the troops.)

"We're not losing this war."

That's how a Las Vegas Army Reserve sergeant and Iraq war veteran who is heading out again for Operation Iraqi Freedom reacted Friday to Nevada Sen. Harry Reid's assessment that the war in Iraq is "lost."

"I don't believe the war is lost," Sgt. George Turkovich, 24, said as he stood with other soldiers near a shipping container that had been packed for their deployment to Kuwait.

The soldiers leave today for a six-week training stint at Camp Atterbury, Ind., before heading overseas to run a camp in support of the war effort. It is uncertain if their yearlong tour will take them to Iraq.

"Unfortunately, politics has taken a huge role in this war affecting our rules of engagement," said Turkovich, a 2001 Palo Verde High School graduate. "This is a guerrilla war that we're fighting, and they're going to tie our hands.

"So it does make it a lot harder for us to fight the enemy, but we're not losing this war," he said.

What do you think he would sa

What do you think he would say? He obviously can't say, "Yeah, I am going to risk my life for some bull**it war that is already lost." He has to be belive in it. If you're so gung ho about, why aren't you there fighting? There seems to be a lot of people who support this war from the fighten' fifth keyboard division.

AF, you're an idiot

AF, you're an idiot who AS USUAL has no idea what you're talking about.

This site has a MUCH higher percentage of current military, vets, and military families than the general population.  BD happens to be one of that group.

agnostic...The war could come

agnostic...

The war could come to a conclusion a lot faster if you would join our military and go over and fight side by side. That is if you are not too old, don't have any major medical problems, or are commited to staying here to help fight the liberal ideology that says we must lose in order to win.

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

Dummy! This is the 101st Ke

Dummy! This is the 101st Keyboard Division. What a tool.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Agnostic...I do belive that B

Agnostic...I do belive that BD either just got back, or is currently serving in Iraq. And this was not his first trip. Seems to me, that he is over there fighting. Hows that crow taste, idiot? Open mouth and insert foot.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Thanks Bass:I have been back

Thanks Bass:

I have been back for over a year now from my last trip over the pond and am working issues at the Schoolhouse here at Fortress Huachuca.  Ah the life of a staff officer....

I guess I will have a little over a year before I am deployable again.

BD, always a pleasure. The st

BD, always a pleasure. The staff life must be great. Hope you have someone to do your typing for you tho..

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

I apologize. Thank you.In a s

I apologize. Thank you.

In a slightly different vein, my main problem is that we, as a country, have not been asked to sacrifice for this war. We have not, generally, been forced to make any real decisions to decide if this is the war that we want to and have to win. I can only go by the adminstration's rhetoric that this war is maybe the most crucial that we have ever fought. If that is the case, why aren't the American people, other than soldeir's families, being asked to sacrifice?

For example, something like 83% of American casualties are the result of IED's, most of which could be prevented if we used Strykers instead of Hummers. Why don't we have Strykers? There too hard too get and too costly? If this were WWII, the U.S. Government would just order GM and Ford to start producing Strykers immediately.

But it's not WWII. And the actions of the Bush administration speak so much more loudly than their words. That is primarily why I want our soldiers to come home. We are not, and never have been, serious about winning this war. We went in too light to begin with, and continue to treat the war as a minor pest, nothing too serious that we can't ignore.

The MSM needs to recognize they need to make sacrifices too

The MSM needs to put their egos aside and report in a non biased manner.

I am not too impressed hearing a wall is being built to seperate people as this reminds me of Ulbricht and Honecker, but at least when the Iraqi people protested they weren't killed.  Ulbricht used tanks and soldiers to deal with protesters, and protesters were killed.  However, the media has a responsibility to report the positive stories and when soldiers are awarded medals for their actions.  Why didn't we hear much about the Iraqi soldiers who were captured and executed last week? 

The media's actions play a pivotal role for those who wish harm to US or allied soldiers.  You do know the Tet Offensive from the Vietnam War was a complete failure for the Viet Cong, correct?  If you don't know, the Tet Offensive was the turning point in the Vietnam War and was a complete failure for the NVA and Viet Cong.  In fact the Viet Cong were essentially eliminated, and only the NVA was left to fight.  The MSM played it up as if the Americans had suffered a devastating defeat, when in fact it was the Viet Cong who had suffered a devastating defeat.  This gave a great deal of hope to the NVA.

I spent the first 18 years of my life on military posts, and my father and most of friend's fathers were Vietnam Vets.  These were men who I was extremly proud of and they were proud of their service in Vietnam. 

Here is a link with an interview with Bui Tin an NVA Colonel, and he answers some questions about how the media helped improve the NVA's morale.

http://www.grunt.com/Scuttlebutt/corps-stories/Vietnam/north.asp

"...we have not been asked to sacrifice for this war..." -AF

"...we have not been asked to sacrifice for this war..."

Yes, you have, AF, but along with the rest of the left, you have decided that it's a sacrifice you will not make.    The sacrifice you and the left refuse to make is this:  YOU WILL NOT SHUT UP AND CEASE GIVING AID AND COMFORT TO THOSE WHO ARE KILLING OUR SOLDIERS.

Everyone understands that from the beginning the left did not want the United States to go to Iraq or remain there now.  Everyone understands that there are a number of reasons for this, and that the leading reason is partisan politics.   Dissent is one thing, but when you are obviously encouraging the enemy, and when you are obviously discourging our soldiers, it's time to look at your own actions and ask yourself why you won't sacrifice your noisy demands.

You think the right doesn't worry every day?  We do.  But we understand that beating our breasts like you do is harmful, not helpful.  We understand that our soldiers need our honest support, not the dishonest support of "bring them home."  You want to be able to sacrifice?  Just shut up and let our soldiers win this war.   THAT would be a helpful "sacrifice" that our soldiers could understand and appreciate.

Why, Agnostic?  If we DID as

Why, Agnostic?  If we DID ask you whining children on the Left to "sacrifice" even a fraction of what was done during WWII, all of you would SCREAM, CRY, and HOWL about it, holding out your empty nursing bottles the whole time. 

And the primary reason you want the troops to come home is quite simple.  Like the rest of the Left, the only time you love the military is when it is acting as an arm of the International Red Cross; when it is out defending the nation and its interests, your stomachs collectively turn.  Not to mention that maintaining a powerful military with the ability to project power worldwide intereferes with your vision of an American government that coddles and pampers you at every turn.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

You have not been asked to sa

You have not been asked to sacrifice for this war?  Really? 

Have you never seen the recruiting messages on Radio, TV, and the internet?  I am repeatedly asked everytime I turn on a TV, a Radio, and even when I walk down the street near a recruiting office.  You are repeatedly ASKED, but you always decline to follow the request.  Instead, like most liberals I imagine that you would prefer to be FORCED through a draft to participate. 

The soldiers have been asked, and they have answered the call.  But most of america does not seem to hear that request.  That is fine, I do not someone in a armored HMMWV with me who does not feel the same as I do.

STRYKERs are not a panacea.  Enough explosives will rip an M1 tank to shreds.  I have seen M2 Bradleys that have been flipped onto their backs and have had their armor penetrated. 

In my opinion, it will not be increased armor that protects our troops in the long run, but increased intelligence from patrolling, interrogating, and conversing with locals that tells us who is planting the IEDs that will make the difference int he long run.  ANd gaining that proficiency takes TIME.  Time I am willing to spend.

bass...looks like Af did it a

bass...looks like Af did it again eh?

Wouldn't mess with BD if I were him.

Thanks for all you do and have done BD.

Stay safe.

Yeah BT, AF is an idiot. And

Yeah BT, AF is an idiot. And he makes an effort to prove it every chance he gets.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Congrads, Agnostic Douche, yo

Congrads, Agnostic Douche, you managed to combine two over-used Lib cliche's in one post. I am shocked you didn't mention Bush's daughters. Do try to step out of 2004 and come back to 2007 soon, ok?

fighten' 5th

well, my youngest son is medically disabled, awaiting medical discharge and disability .. i would love to go back in his place and hose the rag heads .. i'd even supply my own weapons and ammo .. let me at those peckerwoods .. unfortunately, the army is averse to taking 59 year-old's .. even if i am meaner than a rattle snake ..  

never look a gift skunk in the tail ..

Ag~ I did 2 tours in OIF, a

Ag~ I did 2 tours in OIF, and I'll goddamn go right back if you want to babysit my daughter. Her dad is kinda busy in South Korea. Sorry bout the language.

Nebraskans for War: Peace through Strength

Sarah...No need to apologize

Sarah...

No need to apologize in this case whatsoever!

Thank you gal, thank your husband for me.

My gratitude sent from our family.

South Korea was a blast when

South Korea was a blast when I was there, but then, I was/am a single guy with no family left behind.  I saw the other side when my father was stationed there twice when I was growing up.  It wasn't easy, but when my father went the the second time I understood what it was for and that went a long way to make it easier for me.  All the military families deserve their props as well. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

"MorbidStrip would be

"MorbidStrip would be a better name for you. Why do you hope for failure?"

Dee, to the liberals Iraq already IS a failure, debate over. You see, to a liberal like Morbid, if it's not easy... it's not worth it. What they don't understand is that usually things of value require effort to obtain. Unless of course you can get it free from the government.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

MM - and they are more concer

MM - and they are more concerned with na na's and I told you so's than the problems at hand.  It's really disgusting

"As Bush has already d

"As Bush has already declared that some future president will inherit the mess in Iraq,"

"mess", Nice misquote of what the president said. Do you EVER get anything right?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

To paraphrase Bush is allowed

To paraphrase Bush is allowed. What a niggling little remark! Unless you think "mess" should be replaced with "walk in the park" then I stand with my words. Bush essentially stated that this will be problem for future presidents to deal with- and it is, currently, a godawful mess. And Bush, in recognition of that fact, expects someone else to deal with this mess of HIS making. He'll cut and someone else will run with it.

I love it when you simple m

I love it when you simple minded, short memory types come in here and blame Bush for HIS war. The truth is he was was given a green light by congress to invade Iraq. Yeah, I know, with faulty intellegence from around the world..yadayada. But that still doesn't excuse Congress from complicity in this "mess". So stop crying like a little baby.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

mobius

You know, I am really tired of how cowards like you on the left MB are trying to rewrite history with  one lie after another.  I love how its "Bush's War".  I love how you libs are afraid to acknowledge your own role in the war.  After 9/11, there was an 18 month process that Bush went through to win the approval of Congress.  Everyone, repeat everyone, on both isdes of the aisle had access to the same intelligence.  Even countries around the world had access to their own Iraq intelligence.  Listen to speech after speech by both Clintons, Kerry and every other Democrat party leader on why we must go to Iraq.  Bush himself said it will be a long, long campaign.

But now the Democrat party would have you believe that Bush started the war over night all by himself, and lied about the intelligence and forced the Democrat party to sign on.  Oh you poor babies.  When things don't go your way you lie. Wahhhhhhhh! Wahhhhhhhh!

I am all for an honest debate.  Too bad no one on the left wants to participate.

Congress is equally to blame

Congress is equally to blame for being gullible enough to not doubt the fabricated and filtered intelligence provided to them by the administration. Read up- this administration had a hard on to invade Iraq before 9/11. The reasons were fabricated and now totally disproven. Even Bush's father, in his memoirs, stated that to invade Iraq would create an intractable situation- i.e., a quagmire- that would last for many years. That's why he didn't take Baghdad. He understood Pottery Barn, and advised his son against it. So, I guess George HW Bush was a coward in your eyes?

GHW Bush was wrong not to t

GHW Bush was wrong not to take Baghdad. When the first golf war ended short of that I was REALLY pissed! On top of that Bush the elder got thousands of Shittes killed, in an uprising that he asked for but didn't support. With 500,000 troops in the region, the job could have been done way back then. We are in Iraq today because GWB's single term daddy had to live up to his nickname "whimp". Don't get me wrong I still voted for bush the elder the second time(Perot? no-no), but I had a big problem with the way that war was concluded.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Coward

Nope, you are still the coward MB, and a liar.  The first President Bush did not take out Hussein because of a request by the UN, not because he thought it would cause chaos.   When I said look at the speeches by both Clintons and Kerry, et al, those speeches about Iraq predate the election of Bush.  Did President Clinton fabricate intelligence too?  Is that what you are saying.  You are the gullible one.  You can't get all your alleged facts from from the left wing blogs.  They lie and smear.

Please tell us all the reasons Bush stated as reasons for the war and which ones have been disproven.  And please try to stick to facts.

Do your own research next tim

Do your own research next time, coward.

In his memoirs, A World Transformed, written more than five years ago, George Bush, Sr. wrote the following to explain why he didn't go after Saddam Hussein at the end of the Gulf War:

"Trying to eliminate Saddam .. would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible ... We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq ...there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."

Coward?

How am I the coward?  You still have not answered my question asking you to state all the reasons that we went to war and which ones have been disproved.  You made the charge, now back it up.

"going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate..." is the proof I am correct you Crow-wipe, that the UN held us back in 1991.

You carefully pick the phrase

You carefully pick the phrase containing "U.N." and disregard the context. And that is your "proof".  To read it for you: HW is saying to occupy Iraq would have been a collosal, expensive, long term and internationally disastrous mistake of historical proportions. Your little point about the UN is ludicrous. THAT Bush understood the ramifications and did not unilaterally choose to make the mistake that his son did.

Do your own research. I found this one, and you can find the rest.

Coward

Once again you are a coward.  You made the charge about how all the reasons for the war have been disproven.  A statement you probably picked up from a left wing blog.  Please, for the third time, state all the reasons for the war and which ones have been disproven?  Why are you afraid of true facts?

Speaking of context, its a fact that the UN held us back in 1991.  I used your own quote against you regarding the UN mandate. Ludicrous?  Why are does the left want to rewrite history so much.  Why are you so afraid of truth and facts?  Why are you so afraid, you coward?

You defend the premature pu

You defend the premature pull out of Golf War I? Ever hear of "hindsight"?

"United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."

And it's just a conceviable that there wouldn't be a "mid-east crisis" today had we finished the job!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Peter D and MM,Great posts bo

Peter D and MM,

Great posts both, you said it all for me...I have had it with the leftists who try to change history and facts.

Words on paper, video's of the people you mentioned saying those words, I just hope you don't bother sending links to the Mob, he somehow manages to pretend like he loses them, didn't see them, blah blah blah... when it comes to that.

Just wanted to thank both of you.

Thank you

Thanks BT.  Its a never ending job to stop the lies and smears of the left.  Like I said earlier, I'm all for an honest debate.  Too bad the left won't participate.

So, I smear the right by quot

So, I smear the right by quoting George HW Bush, from his own memoirs. You one-trick ponies got your blinders on so tight you can't see a thing. Unless HW was just lying, or wrote that line to exhonorate himself for history, I would think you would take him at his word. But apparently not. The problem is that the logical conclusion, from HW's perspective, is that his son is a fool. So I find myself in the odd position of agreeing with a Bush.

still

Yes you did smear by quoting Bush the elder because you attempted to use his words to support your lie and it blew up on you.  The UN held us back in 1991.  Bush the elder said, in the quote you chose, that he did not want to exceed the UN mandate.  But you are attempting to make it sound like something else.

That is a smear you coward.