Karl Rove found out Saturday evening that the annual White House Correspondents' Association Dinner isn’t just about comedians and members of the press telling jokes at the Administration’s expense.
Depending on whose account you believe, it is also about invited guests having the opportunity to confront White House staff in order to give them indigestion before their meal.
*****Updates at end of piece from Washington Post and AP.
As reported by Editor & Publisher Sunday (emphasis added throughout):
Sheryl Crow, on a cross-country global warming awareness trip, got into it with Karl Rove. Jawing like a baseball manager and an umpire arguing a call, Crow and Rove were disagreeing over global warming, with Crow’s pal, Laurie David, offering support.
Approached afterward about the exchange, Rove said he was enjoying it all, “if I can get to my meal.”
That’s not the way Crow and David saw the exchange, as this is how they reported it at the Huffington Post:
We asked Mr. Rove if he would consider taking a fresh look at the science of global warming. Much to our dismay, he immediately got combative. And it went downhill from there.
We reminded the senior White House advisor that the US leads the world in global warming pollution and we are doing the least about it. Anger flaring, Mr. Rove immediately regurgitated the official Administration position on global warming which is that the US spends more on researching the causes than any other country.
What was Rove’s take? Well, the Washington Post’s Howard Kurtz reported the following on CNN's “Reliable Sources” Sunday:
But it was Rove who felt put upon by Crow, telling the Washington Post, “She came over to insult me, and she succeeded.”
Who’s right? Maybe we’ll never know. However, the following paragraph from David and Crow’s post at HuffnPuff offers some insight as to how full of themselves these two Hollywood elites are:
In his attempt to dismiss us, Mr. Rove turned to head toward his table, but as soon as he did so, Sheryl reached out to touch his arm. Karl swung around and spat, "Don't touch me." How hardened and removed from reality must a person be to refuse to be touched by Sheryl Crow?
Imagine the arrogance: Anyone that would refuse to be touched by Sheryl Crow is “hardened and removed from reality.”
Actually, ladies, the better question to ask is how hardened and removed from reality must somebody be if they believe that everyone would want to be touched by them.
*****Update: The Associated Press is now reporting:
Karl Rove's debate with singer Sheryl Crow and producer Laurie David about global warming heated the atmosphere at a black-tie Washington dinner.
On the eve of Earth Day, Crow and "Inconvenient Truth" producer David walked over to the presidential adviser's table at the White House Correspondents' Association dinner Saturday night at the Washington Hilton.
Their differences on global warming quickly bubbled over, the Washington Post reported Sunday.
"I am floored by what I just experienced with Karl Rove," David said later. "I went over to him and said, I urge you to take a new look at global warming. He went zero to 100 with me. ... I've never had anyone be so rude."
Rove said: "She came over to insult me, and she succeeded."
Here is the Washington Post piece on this issue:
Global warming was the talking point last night at the White House Correspondents' Association dinner when singer Sheryl Crow and "Inconvenient Truth" producer Laurie David walked over to Table 92 at the Hilton Washington to chat with Karl Rove -- and the resulting exchange was suitably heated.
And, maybe most important from the Post piece (emphasis added):
News of the dust-up filtered quickly through the room. Some witnesses said David was very aggressive with Rove; a shaken Crow later said that Rove was "combative and unresponsive."
Hmmm.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.















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I was under the impression th
April 22, 2007 - 11:30 ET by Gat New YorkI was under the impression that it was understood that political business was barred from this dinner based on tradition. So who invited this woman and why did they not control her?
Also, isn't Rove a political advisor or did he become President without us knowing? Crow should take up her ignorant campaign with the right people in a more appropriate forum.
These people are so full of t
April 22, 2007 - 11:40 ET by ThisnThatThese people are so full of themselves. I read their post on Huff (BTW, why did they immediately go there? Talk about tagging themselves as far-left). Their assertions were sickening. Here's an example: "At some point during his ramblings, we became heartbroken to think that the President of the United States and his top advisers have partially built a career on global warming not being real". WRONG. They had this opinion going into the confrontation, not as a result of it. And why do these types of comments go unchallanged? These people are a bunch of pathetic pipsqueaks. And liars.
Here's another comment they made: "Drama aside, you would expect as an American citizen to be able to engage in a civil discussion with a public official. Instead, Mr. Rove was dismissive, condescending, and quite frankly a bully." Bullsh*t. They are getting away with these types of comments because they are playing to a sympathetic (and pathetic) audience. Does anyone truly believe the conversation went this way? In public? For all to see and hear?
TNT
April 22, 2007 - 11:46 ET by Noel SheppardTNT,
Exactly. Have you ever seen Rove lose his temper? I've seen him interviewed by many antagonistic reporters, and I've never seen him anything but calm, cool, and collected.
In the end, I think we'll know who behaved poorly by how this is or isn't covered. If we hear and read little about this event, the ladies are to blame, and the press will ignore it. If we hear and read a lot, likely their take is closer to the truth.
At this point, the only major media to cover this are E&P and Kurtz, who both appear to support Rove's view. Interesting? ns
i wonder if c-span was there
April 22, 2007 - 11:58 ET by botgi wonder if c-span was there and has footage?
If it benefited them they wou
April 22, 2007 - 12:51 ET by Gat New YorkIf it benefited them they would air it otherwise they'll burn it.
"I was under the impre
April 22, 2007 - 12:11 ET by Howard_Beale"I was under the impression that it was understood that political
business was barred from this dinner based on tradition."
That may have ended in 1999, when Insight Magazine brought Paula Jones to it.
"We reminded the senio
April 22, 2007 - 16:20 ET by ckc1227"We reminded the senior White House advisor that the US leads the world in global warming pollution and we are doing the least about it."
And, as a result, you reminded us yet again that you don't know what you are talking about.
Leftists have neither any sha
April 22, 2007 - 11:42 ET by Warner Todd HustonLeftists have neither any shame nor any civility. A dinner is a SOCIAL OCCASION, not a place for heated policy debates. Rove was right. The ONLY reason these scum-bag leftists went to his table was to attack and embarrass him.
Crow and David should have been tossed out on their uncivil assess.
These pompous leftists drag
April 22, 2007 - 20:28 ET by motherbeltThese pompous leftists drag their soapboxes with them everywhere they go, and assume that everyone is just dying to hear what they have to say. The have no sense of propriety, and no manners. My mother used to have a saying for people like this...."no class, all a$$." And those two dimwits showed theirs.
mb,You'r mom's saying is fab!
April 22, 2007 - 20:31 ET by Blondemb,
You'r mom's saying is fab!
May I borrow that?
Sure, why not?? I guess I s
April 22, 2007 - 20:39 ET by motherbeltSure, why not?? I guess I should have said my mother's family, because I'm not sure which of the sisters started it, but it got to be a regular family saying.
Here's a challenge for NBers.
April 22, 2007 - 11:45 ET by Jack BauerHere's a challenge for NBers...
Then... see how many nano-seconds pass, before you are grabbed by security and manhandled out of the building.
If you get a chance in such a short space of time, touch Ms Crowe on the arm and see what her reaction is. See how far YOU get.
They get to confront, Jack. N
April 22, 2007 - 12:51 ET by dahliatraversThey get to confront, Jack. No one is permitted to confront them.
dahlia -- they all feel so &q
April 22, 2007 - 13:32 ET by Jack Bauerdahlia -- they all feel so "entitled." You see it everywhere.
These people ARE the frackin' establishment, and they try to act like they are some sort of working-class hero.
They are Marie Antoinette "Let Them Eat Cake." As I said, the average Joe wouldn't get within 10 feet of Crow before they were tackled by her security.
What is it with these stalkers. Didn't some senate jerk at a White House function follow Rove into the bathroom a few months back, and start harranguing him
Some LA based conservatives should find out where Laurie David lives, follow HER in her stupid little Prius down to Rodeo Drive as she goes shopping, fire up the videotape and ask her how can she possibly believe the unscientific garbage she's spouting.
Then she would be a VICTIM, J
April 22, 2007 - 13:37 ET by dahliatraversThen she would be a VICTIM, Jack!
Girls Gone Wild in DC
April 22, 2007 - 14:46 ET by acumenGirls Gone Wild in DC
Jack - Remember Ambrose Kappos, someone Crow didn't wish to speak with:
According to Rueters, Kappos allegedly tried to get close to Crow before he was stopped by security. He didn't cause any harm to the singer, but was reported as saying, "Hi, I'm Ambrose" before being taken away.
According to Sheryl's testimony in Kappos' trial for stalking, the singer was "alarmed" and "really nervous" by Kappos' presence and that it was a "very eerie experience" for her.
Kappos was acquitted. Kappos' mother, Irene, who was in court, said her son no longer wants to meet her.
"He'd be crazy if he did," she chuckled. Obviously Rove is of the same opinion.
Let them eat crow!
April 22, 2007 - 17:52 ET by Jack Baueracumen -- thanks for the info. That is great. A perfect answer to that overrated folk singer.
I looked up hypocrite in the dictionary and it had a pictiure of Crow.
"...a shaken Crow...&quo
April 22, 2007 - 15:10 ET by Independence4All"...a shaken Crow..."
I'll bet she was skaken! She is not used to being confronted or argued with by anyone outside of her reality. With a snap of her fingers she can get most people tossed out of her path because she is a "celebrity". That she insulted Rove (since he said she succeeded) must have been something pretty damn nasty and personal for him to react. Getting a smackdown in return is something she was obviously not prepared for. Serves her right. These libs are so used to Republicans not fighting back she probably assumed he would just stand there and take it so she could get her press coverage. Glad she got a dose of her own medicine.
She is not used to being co
April 22, 2007 - 20:34 ET by motherbeltShe is not used to being confronted or argued with by anyone outside of her reality. -Independence4All
She's not used to being disagree with by anyone, period. These celebs are surrounded by nen and women whose only job is to nod yes. Disagree with someone of Sheryl Crow's stature????Surely you jest. When are these celebs going to realize this isn't the Clinton White House, and the guys in the Bush administration are not star-struck groupies eager to be one with the Hollywood bunch?
"I'll have my Crow shaken, no
April 23, 2007 - 06:15 ET by old cro"I'll have my Crow shaken, not stirred."
- Carl Bond
How utterly rude and conceite
April 22, 2007 - 11:46 ET by BlondeHow utterly rude and conceited of Sheryl Crow. These liberals have no sense of decorum...well, unless it pertains to themselves.
Think about it....after being confronted by someone, of course Rove's reaction would be "Don't touch me". She's lucky she didn't get put on the ground by the Secret Service.
Blonde, wouldn't you agree
April 22, 2007 - 19:29 ET by terrigBlonde, wouldn't you agree that neither Mrs. Davis or Ms. Crow's parents taught them manners?
Besides, wasn't old Crows Feet the final nail in the coffin of Lance Armstrong's first marriage?? I may be wrong on that though.
Hey terri,Well, I wouldn't ve
April 22, 2007 - 19:41 ET by BlondeHey terri,
Well, I wouldn't venture a guess as to what these two women were taught about manners by their families.
Having said that, being elite Hollylibs....they're allowed (perhaps even encouraged?) to leave it all behind once they achieve a modicum of fame and fortune. They are elite, dammit, and don't have to abide by the rules of polite society.
I'd really have liked to have seen a video of the Secret Service putting this singer on her rear end.
Blonde, me too! Would hav
April 22, 2007 - 19:43 ET by terrigBlonde, me too! Would have been classic.
We reminded the senior White
April 22, 2007 - 11:54 ET by botgWe reminded the senior White House advisor that the US leads the world in global warming pollution and we are doing the least about it. Anger flaring, Mr. Rove immediately regurgitated the official Administration position on global warming which is that the US spends more on researching the causes than any other country.
Hey Cheryl, go visit the coal-fired generation plants in China and the plants in the US and you won't be continuing to make DUMBBUTT comments which are out and out LIES. No wonder Rove was angry lie to his face like that.
Who’s right? Maybe we’ll never know. However, the following paragraph from David and Crow’s post at HuffnPuff offers some insight as to how full of themselves these two Hollywood elites are:
So Lance Armstrong is harde
April 22, 2007 - 11:59 ET by wiwfSo Lance Armstrong is hardened and removed from reality for not being touched by Crow anymore?
Yeah, I bet the US is leading in"global warming" pollution, if you ignore china and all the other developing countries out there that are ahead of us. It makes total sense! Ignore the facts, get elected! Welcome to the Democrat Party!!!1
I wonder if these GW maniacs approve of Eugenics as well...
We asked Mr. Rove if he would
April 22, 2007 - 12:11 ET by dahliatraversWe asked Mr. Rove if he would consider taking a fresh look at the science of global warming.
Ladies. Please will you take a fresh look at the science of global warming? You'd be amazed at all the new evidence and information out there.
Dahlia
April 22, 2007 - 12:15 ET by Noel SheppardDahlia,
Why should they? In their arrogant, closed-minds, the debate is over. They're not interested in new information on the subject. Neither are any of the alarmists.
And these folks have the gall to suggest it is conservatives that are closed-minded on this matter. Sheesh! ns
Exactly, Noel. It's weird h
April 22, 2007 - 12:47 ET by dahliatraversExactly, Noel. It's weird how some people hold on to an opinion like a blankey, no matter how much contradictory evidence turns up.
Sheryl Crow
April 22, 2007 - 12:12 ET by pocomocoIs there a magic number in the amount of money an entertainer makes, when they are suddenly struck by an epiphany that tells them, “it’s time for them to save the world”?
Crow, it would appear, has reached that point, is now ‘demanding’ to be heard about her theories of global warming, and suggesting its deniers be hung by the nearest yardarm.
With no signs of possessing any intellectual abilities, so common to these people, she has bought into the global warming hoax hook, line, and Gore.
pocomoco Says: Is there a
April 22, 2007 - 12:52 ET by DontFeedTheTrollspocomoco Says: Is there a magic number in the amount of money an entertainer makes,
when they are suddenly struck by an epiphany that tells them, “it’s
time for them to save the world”?
Don't know about the above, but here is one entertainer who is trying to save a little piece of the world, and not spouting hate and calling names. Just quietly trying to help.
D
A day without NewsBusters is like a day without sunshine.
Gary Sinise is one of my hero
April 22, 2007 - 13:42 ET by pocomocoGary Sinise is one of my hero’s because he is doing it the right way.
He is far from being one of those intellectually challenged, self serving, self absorbed, look at me save the world entertainers.
His web site, Operation Iraqi Children at: ‘www.operationiraqichildren.org/’ should be seen by all.
What the hell does Sheryl Crow have to offer?
It's dangerous, to be sure, t
April 22, 2007 - 12:15 ET by SMGalbraithIt's dangerous, to be sure, to make any judgments based on these conflicting accounts. Who was more sinned against than sinner? The truth, as is usually the case, is probably somewhere near the middle.
However, Rove needs to be held to a higher standard of conduct - since he is a public official who works, in part, for us - than a couple of knuckleheaded actresses. So, if he acted rudely, he was wrong to do so even if it was merited.
If and double if.
What's the old saying? The best way to defeat your enemy is to make them your friend. A little humor from Rove would have gone a long way here.
SMG
part of that higher standard
April 22, 2007 - 12:30 ET by botgpart of that higher standard should be to deal politly and directly with people who are attempting to lie to and swindle the public. "He spat" Crow's words, which i am certain does not accurately describe the incident. He probally acted annoyed by her ego-trip audacity.
Was it her [Crow's] left hand?
April 22, 2007 - 12:19 ET by Gary HallWas it her left (Crow's) hand?
Look, if that is the same hand that she's wiping herself with - while using only 1 single square of toilet paper (her commitment in saving the earth) - then she needs to take a little trip to a few 3rd world countries and learn about the required cultural necessities of practicing personal hygiene at dinner time.
The other day on TV, I heard
April 22, 2007 - 12:32 ET by danboThe other day on TV, I heard about a medical clinic in africa.They finally got electricity. So that they wouldn't increase dreaded carbon dioxide they were given clean solar power generated electricity.
The only problem. the clinic has to decide to use either the frdge or the lights. Seems their wonderful solar power can't handle both.
This is the future?
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
Danbo - "give" is the key word
April 22, 2007 - 13:02 ET by Gary HallDanbo - "give" is the key word. Actually, I caught some of that news also. I think that Sheryl Crow should start giving a solar powered system to some poor US Citizen each and every day of the week. At $20,000 to $30,000 a copy, it souldn't hurt her bottom line too badly. Heck, in fact, why does not the federal governement just hand it out. What are there, 100 million homes (we'll skip the businesses for this exercise). At $25,000 per, that would be only $2.5 Trillion. Maybe Bill Gates and Robert Redford and Soros can chip in a little to help.
Even the conservatives dont
April 22, 2007 - 17:00 ET by NiftySwellEven the conservatives dont realize the consequences of creating a solar society. Solar panels are hardly environmentally friendly. They are prepared with caustic acids that are usually diluted with massive amounts of water to dispose, use batteries to store the energy that the collectors capture (unless they feed the grid), are only good for 8 years, are terribly inefficient, difficult to recycle posing a threat to the environment, go up in cost as more people utilize them not down like some goods because the raw materials are not readily available, so in this liberal dream world of a solar powered nirvana people need to be realistic about trading one pollution for another.
Is that true? I'm a big fan
April 22, 2007 - 17:07 ET by dahliatraversIs that true? I'm a big fan of hydro, solar and wind energy. (Ted Kennedy and I part company on the latter.) We need to find a more effective way to make batteries and solar panels.
If solar panels were cheape
April 22, 2007 - 17:20 ET by NiftySwellIf solar panels were cheaper to make than other conventional means then don't you think our economy would convert over?
Conventional solar panels are made in a similar fashion to semiconductors using a planarized silicon substrate prepared with dilute Hydrochoric acid, Hydrofluoric Acid, and Sulfuric acid, planarized to a reflective sheen. The acid has to be disposed of.
What is the longest you have seen a battery last, any battery, in your car, laptop, wherever? This same issue is what keeps automobiles from being powered on electricity.
Personally, I think wind, wave, geothermal, and nuclear hold more promise than solar currently.
I havent given up on technology solving our problems, but it isn't happening this month. physorg.com to track the developments in these areas for those interested- that is my hangout.
H'mm. Other parts of my lap
April 22, 2007 - 18:34 ET by dahliatraversH'mm. Other parts of my laptops and cars have lasted less than eight years, requiring a complete change-out, so I've never noticed about the batteries. I take your word on it. If you don't mind, what does the electric company do with electricity? The "grid" doesn't have batteries ...?
As to solar panels, I wasn't aware that they created almost as many environmental problems as they solved. Thanks for letting us know.
Power plants continually pr
April 22, 2007 - 22:06 ET by NiftySwellPower plants continually produce power. Sun goes down, coal fire plant keeps going through the night- when they do preventative maintenance or upgrade then they borrow power off another grid.
Sun goes down and solar panels stop producing power that is why you need batteries if you get off the grid or go without power at night or when cloudy.
Hi NiftyThere are plans for a
April 22, 2007 - 22:21 ET by botgHi Nifty
There are plans for a sun farm out by the Salton Sea. I'll see if i can get info to link to. Do you have links for the hazardous waste associated with solar? It seems common sense that such things would require icky innards. Smaller nuke plants would provide power 24/7 and the demand for power is higher during the day so if it were feasible it would make sense to have solar without batteries
solar farm
April 22, 2007 - 22:32 ET by botgtry this link for solar farm
http://www.sdge.com/regulatory/solarInitiative.shtml
http://www.earthscan.co.uk/
April 22, 2007 - 23:35 ET by NiftySwellhttp://www.earthscan...
I just googled ROHS for Solar industry and got the above link.
One of the first statements made is "So far, solar cell manufacturers have largely managed to escape public examination
of the environmental side effects of PV production."
ROHS is the industry term used for referring to wastes associated with production. Stands for Reduction of Hazardous Wastes- since I work in a similar industry I simply know what is used in producing these products.
Sun farms are neat and I fully support moving in that direction but when you can get a barrel of oil out of the ground for 2 bucks it is just hard to compete comparing efficiencies and cost optimizations. Remember there are several solar options, heating water with a heat exchanger (didnt everyone have one of these on their roof in the 80's?), passive solar where your home, trees, architecture optimize temperature for your habitat, solar farms to generate steam which turn turbines, photovoltaic cells to convert directly to electricity placed on rooftops and hooked to batteries or the grid (which is what I have been addressing). Where I work our waste silicon is stripped (with HF acid) and sent to photovotaic manufacturers to make into these cells.
So they don't store electrici
April 22, 2007 - 22:22 ET by dahliatraversSo they don't store electricity, they just keep sending it on.
Thank you.
NiftySwell,Precisely.I've nev
April 22, 2007 - 22:32 ET by BlondeNiftySwell,
Precisely.
I've never had a car battery nor a boat battery last longer than two years in South Florida. Sears hates me...but too bad for them and their five year warranty. Not my problem.
Thanks for boiling down the technical stuff to something more understandable.
Lastly, welcome to the board, here. Great info, and you present it quite well.
Really, solar panels only las
April 22, 2007 - 17:16 ET by mandrakeReally, solar panels only last 8 years? Does that mean NASA has to keep changing the ones on the space station and all those other satellites every 8 years?
The batteries not the panel
April 22, 2007 - 17:22 ET by NiftySwellThe batteries not the panels- sorry for that- but the efficiency of the panels degrade over time where there is an atmosphere (dust and oxidation) that is how they expect the mars surveyors to eventually die.
I've used a number of solar p
April 23, 2007 - 10:14 ET by danboI've used a number of solar products in my garden. About the longest any have lasted so far is maybe 3 years. (Some not even a year.) Rain and sun takes a toll on them.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
NASA has to keep changing the
April 22, 2007 - 17:32 ET by botgNASA has to keep changing the ones on the space station and all those other satellites every 8 years?
Only the ones bought at Home Depot
Damn, I knew I should have go
April 22, 2007 - 17:45 ET by mandrakeDamn, I knew I should have gone with IKEA!
My Stepfather uses solar pane
April 22, 2007 - 17:23 ET by Clear thinkerMy Stepfather uses solar panels to heat his swimming pool. He had them installed when the house was being built 15 years ago. After he replaced the roof 2 years ago because of one of the hurricanes that hit Florida, he could not find anyone willing to put the panels back up on the roof where they had originally been. His insurance company refuses to pay for the panels re-installation, as they claim it is not a normal part of the roof and not covered by his policy. Here it is 2 years later and he still cannot find anyone willing to hook his system back up for a reasonable price. His lowest estimate so far is... $12,000 dollars. So until he can find a better price he has to settle for a cold water temp. Oh, almost forgot, none of the estimates he has received includes using the panels he already has. Everyone has told him that they won't work. Funny how the things worked fine for 15 years, and they were NOT damaged from the hurricane. His gut tells him that the people in the solar business are nothing more than crooks. I may have to agree.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Though the pool is the last t
April 22, 2007 - 18:41 ET by danboThough the pool is the last thing I have left to repair from Katrina. I occasionally thought of solar heat for it. I hated the cost of propane. But I have to say. $12,000 can buy a lot of propane.
On the wind power front. I live on the coast. So there is fairly steady wind. Back in the 70's-80's, a few people installed windmills. Supposedly economical. Environmentaly friendly. Etc. There are no more windmills. They were gone before Katrina.
Over time the homeowners gave them up. For whatever the reason.
Seems if they were really cost effective. And desireable other than in idea. They would have spread. (Like television in the 50's. Not gone away. They apparently didn't live up to the hype.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
When alternative energy is sh
April 22, 2007 - 22:34 ET by Clear thinkerWhen alternative energy is shown to be cheaper than our oil, coal, or nuclear power producing plants, I will be all in. Until then, oil, coal, and nuclear are my friends.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
But you, your stepfather, a
April 23, 2007 - 09:04 ET by sarcasmoBut you, your stepfather, and I have all seen solar work well to heat water. It's a mystery to me why one of the few things which already provably works in the real world is actively discouraged by governments & insurance companies. It doesn't seem to me like what would be happening in a truly-free marketplace...
JMR
Sarc. Could it be that, anyon
April 23, 2007 - 09:43 ET by danboSarc. Could it be that, anyone with a little carpentry and plumbing skill could build a fairly decent solar water heater. With materials, you can get at any home center?
That way we can bypass that alternative energy expert in silicon valley that wants your money. For his 5? company. Nor for Al Gore's carbon trading/sin tax scam. So they don't get your money.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
That's how Dad & I did
April 23, 2007 - 09:55 ET by sarcasmoThat's how Dad & I did it, in the late '70s. The old ladies in the apartment complex we'd modified all complained the first week, too. "That new water heating system's too damn hot!! I scalded myself!" Solar water heating works simply, but no tax breaks AFAIK and the insurance story related above is sadly-typical. "Hybrid" cars might work, they are incredibly complex, yet they come with a generous tax break despite being a substantial potential source of pollution when it comes to inconvenient issues like battery disposal. And the "live simply" people are the ones whose politicians expensively force this complexity-favoring situation upon the rest of us.
JMR
I was thinking the exact same
April 22, 2007 - 16:12 ET by n2soonersI was thinking the exact same thing. I don't think I want to be touched by anyone who wipes with only one square of toilet paper.
The part that got me was, whe
April 22, 2007 - 12:58 ET by SnowWhiteThe part that got me was, when Ms. Crow told Karl Rove, "You work for me". What an arrogant jerk she is! There was an IQ test done recently to show who was smarter. The list included surgeons & celebrities, and several other occupations such as exercise trainers, DJs, & tattoo artists, etc.. Well, the surgeons came out on the top of the list and the celebrities came out last. It was pretty much a NO-Brainer. teehee. Sometimes I wonder if celebrities who make mega money without deserving it are on some sort of guilt trip & have to ease their conscience by becoming "do-gooders". I wish they'd get a clue that nobody cares what they think.
I read the David piece at t
April 22, 2007 - 13:31 ET by gueinI read the David piece at the Huff n' Puff and it reminds me of an episode of All in the Family where the family had to eat at a restaurant because of an incident with a pair of refrigerator repairmen. Archie and Meathead had differring accounts of what happend, portraying themselves in the best possible light, while casting the other in the worst. While David would be believable cast as Meathead, I not sure Rove would be good casting for Archie, but it fits my the purpose of my posting.
Sheryl Crow:To completely e
April 22, 2007 - 14:01 ET by wiwfSheryl Crow:
To completely eliminate your carbon footprint: STFU.
It reinforces the simple fact
April 22, 2007 - 15:10 ET by jondelwicheIt reinforces the simple fact that liberals are the rudest POS's to ever walk this planet.Whether booing people at Wellstone's memorial, or taking cheap shots at Ms King's funeral, Colbert vs Rich Little, or the new Va Senator rudely responding to a President's concern for his son, (ad infinitum here)...., these people just lack any semblance of social grace or skill. Is it any wonder they love sucking the brains out of babies but opine for freedom for Guantanamo losers?This, again, example # 10,005 of why Speaker Pelosi will likely not be speaker very long.
Crow and David probably hav
April 22, 2007 - 16:00 ET by marvlCrow and David probably have 1 working brain cell between them. Not surprising.
The real question, though, is what were those 2 fruitcakes doing in the White House. Why weren't they out drumming up financial backing for a documentary on global flatulence?
Re: flatulence -- where's th
April 22, 2007 - 20:21 ET by pbdmillerRe: flatulence -- where's the guy that always offers Mr Taggart more beans?
Crow and Rove
April 22, 2007 - 16:38 ET by CellaWhere is Moonbat Repellant when we need it?
Sorry, Sheryl, but your going
April 22, 2007 - 17:33 ET by AlgerHissSorry, Sheryl, but your going to have to make a choice: Will it be the global heating thing, or will it be your alledged love of NASCAR?
Anyone else find this an odd mix of interests?
Rochester, Minnesota: A Fem_Leftist City!
Karl Rove probably could ha
April 22, 2007 - 18:49 ET by radiofitz34Karl Rove probably could have fared better if he had encountered Hare Krishnas at the airport. It's amazing how inspired Laurie and Sheryl get on this junk science/ religion.
oh yeah...
April 22, 2007 - 19:50 ET by ricosuaveWith Rove always under the microscope - I'll just bet he acted like our two heroines claimed. My big fat toe.
solar energy
April 22, 2007 - 20:08 ET by billbMy home made solar collectors have been supplying 60-70% of my domestic hot water since 1982. Total maintainence cost-350$. Forget about solar electric, they won't last long enough to justify the cost even with the stupid tax credit. A solar hotwater kit can be had for about 2-3000$ and installed by a plumber or DIY. If you don't think it'll work, just leave a hose laying in the back yard sometime!
I agree it can work. In the c
April 22, 2007 - 22:35 ET by danboI agree it can work. In the case of a pool. If the pool is on a hill and you can mount the panels at the bottom of the hill. You don't even have to run the pump. You let the heating water circulate itself. (Unfortunately, my neighbor won't let me put it in his yard. (Downhill.))
Otherwise if you don't run the pump, I understand, your system can vapor lock. (I was looking at an system where the actual pool water was pumped through the solar collectors.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
Another; do as I say. not as
April 22, 2007 - 23:12 ET by danboAnother; do as I say. not as i do?
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” H.L. Mencken
''Laurie doesn't know the dif
April 22, 2007 - 23:19 ET by botg''Laurie doesn't know the difference between a tree and a bush,"
LMAO
The Left thinks nothing of
April 22, 2007 - 23:31 ET by Ten7sThe Left thinks nothing of violating the Logan Act, lying to demoralize the troops, printing sensitive national security information, etc. etc. etc. So why should anyone expect old Snooper and Blabber to respect good manners at a dinner?
Snooper & Blabber that
April 23, 2007 - 01:32 ET by jmad627Snooper & Blabber that is priceless. It figures that they would resort to a lawyer, after a neighbor complained. Free speech anyone?????? Typical libs, do as I say not as I do.
Wipe away
April 23, 2007 - 06:47 ET by goldenthroatNow the latest news from Sheryl - she wants to restrict the use of...toilet paper! You have got to read this one! Go to www.drudgereport.com - now we know why Lance Armstrong wanted out of that relationship - this woman is a total wacko!
Never dance on a empty stomach unless it's a liberal.
I could see how Karl Rove wo
April 23, 2007 - 07:52 ET by jdhawkI could see how Karl Rove would be upset when Sheryl Crow touched him. After all, with that one square of toilet paper business . . . wouldn't you?
".....Sheryl reached out
April 23, 2007 - 08:39 ET by winston smith".....Sheryl reached out to touch his arm. Karl swung around and spat, "Don't touch me."
Sheryl is on record suggesting that Americans help in the fight against so-called global warming by using --- get this ---- one square of toilet paper when uh.....well, cleaning up! One square!
Maybe this is why Rove refused to let her touch him!
sorry, I heard that one on Fox&Friends. Too funny not to repeat!
Summer is almost here people,
April 23, 2007 - 08:56 ET by Casey97Summer is almost here people, it will probably get a little warmer soon. Darn those SUVs. Just watch the nightly weather folks, on my local stations it shows almost every day/night the record high was from the 1930’s and the record cool was from the 70’s or 80’s. Every publication which gives credence to these nuts have had articles in their past worrying about global cooling, and the pending ice age. 1974 Time magazine is one good example.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=time+magazine+global+cooling
This, and the fact that several global warming conferences were snowed out, has lead the enviro-whacos to start using man-mad climate change instead of global warming. That way no matter what the weather does, they can say, “See, we are right.” I remember when the tsunami hit Indonesia, there were a rash of journalists asking scientists if this could be linked to global warming. Seriously, they asked if a tidal wave, caused by a earth quake was caused by man!?
Here is the latest brilliant mind of global warming..climate change argument Cheryl Crow. “I propose a limitation be put on how many squares of toilet paper can be used in any one sitting. Now, I don't want to rob any law-abiding American of his or her God-given rights, but I think we are an industrious enough people that we can make it work with only one square per restroom visit, except, of course, on those pesky occasions where 2 to 3 could be required.”
That’s right people it’s is hot (or cold) because you use too much TP when you potty. Who will monitor this, the bathroom police? I see an new television series “Law and Order: Bathroom Violations”. These good people always claim they want government out of our bedrooms, but now they want government in our bathrooms! Well if TP is the problem, then global warming (or cooling) is not MAN-MADE, but WOMAN-MADE since ladies use TP on all bathroom visits, and men do not seem to properly clean ourselves. I can see the new slogans “Skidmarks Save Seals” or “a dirty butt will save Knut” (that is pronounced kah nut, the baby polar bear). This same crowed wants people to shower less to save water. See hippies stink not because they are too lazy to wash, but because they are environmentally friendly.
Remember people Hygiene is bad for the environment. When you say cleanliness is next to Godliness, who are you to push your religion on me. All clean people are fascist religious whacos!
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With Democrat revisionist history and liberals guaranteeing the future (global warming, nuclear destruction, etc.) only the future is certain; the past is always changing.
Could we see a remake of Thel
April 23, 2007 - 11:34 ET by JPR1Could we see a remake of Thelma & Louise?
Script it anyway you like. Just make sure it ends with a dramatic shot of the tour bus leaving a really high bridge.
There’s a Chickadee outside my window with more brains than these two put together.
Something else...
April 23, 2007 - 12:06 ET by goldenthroatI think they are both demonstrating they have tapioca pudding for brains.