Global Warming Skeptic Rips Media Alarmists and 'Malevolent' Scientists

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As a Canadian environmental consultant, Dr. Timothy F. Ball isn’t a household name in America...yet.

However, his writings, speeches, and television appearances concerning the science and lack thereof surrounding anthropogenic global warming make him a distinguished member of the growing list of skeptics around the world desperately and passionately fighting to inject some facts into this contentious debate.

On Thursday, I received an e-mail message from Dr. Ball addressing the dangers inherent in the current global warming alarmism being exhibited by the media and folks like soon-to-be-Dr. Al Gore, and how “incompetent” and possibly “malevolent” scientists are unfortunately aiding in the misinformation campaign.

What follows is a partial text of his e-mail message presented with his permission (emphasis added):

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Distinguishing between theoretical and experimental science is a nice academic exercise, which is totally wasted on the public even though it is their understanding that drives which way the politicians act and spend money. Al Gore intuitively knows this, others cynically exploit it.

The major problem with the politicizing of climate, especially in the IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change], is it took computer model experiments that produced scenarios and presented them as predictions. This practice was exacerbated by the greens, people with a political agenda, and the media who invariably focused on the worst case scenario because it suited an agenda.  

For instance, it was interesting how quickly the media picked up on the reduction in the temperature range of the IPCC AR4 [Assessment Report #4]. The change involved raising the lower level scenario and reducing the higher one. Many of the media gave the impression they were cheated of more sensationalist headlines

The infighting within the SPM group [IPCC Summary for Policymakers] seems to show how critical it was for many to maintain the higher level scenarios because of their shock potential. Stephen Schneider's comment in Discovery magazine provides most of the explanation you need for what went on and his participation in the more recent Impact Study and recent testimony in Washington confirm the modus operandi is still in place.

Sadly, too many of the modelers and many scientists who did not understand, did little to disabuse the public or the media of the severe limitations, the original intent, and the nature of what was being presented. In fact, too many acted to obfuscate the truth and attacked those who tried to explain.

The transition from theoretical and experimental scenarios to predictions parallels news stories on climate or any other science for that matter. A reporter finds a speculative study in a scientific journal and writes a story. Articles usually contain most of the conditional phrases used by scientists. However, the headline is usually active voice and definitive, "Scientist predicts..." In the same way it is in the transition from the Technical Report to the SPM that the conditional has been effectively eliminated. 

As I have said for years, climate models are a useful but severely limited tool in the laboratory that must meet scientific responsibilities. Unfortunately, they are clearly not doing this, which is why we need an independent audit.

When you go public and allow the output of the models to become the basis of global, national and regional policy there is a different set of responsibilities and these are definitely not being met.

Worse, they are deliberately being manipulated and misused.

Again, it is one thing for uninformed people intimidated or fooled by the manipulation to be pursuing what they're told is good and necessary, but it is something very different when it is the producers of the models who willfully or through lack of understanding are doing the misleading.

It appears to me if you didn't know what you were doing with the science you were incompetent; if you did know you were malevolent.

The following was my response to Dr. Ball:

You aptly conclude, "It appears to me if you didn't know what you were doing with the science you were incompetent; if you did know you were malevolent."

I would like to take this an important step further: as policy is being determined from such reports, I suggest quite fervently that if you did know, you were malfeasant.

Economic policies across the globe are being impacted by these reports. Billions nay trillions of dollars might be at risk and/or transferred. If it turns out that scientific studies are being intentionally altered for political and/or economic gain, how are the involved parties different from those who manipulated energy data during the late '90s/early '00s as part of an electricity trading scheme which bilked Californians out of billions of dollars?

As we know that many of the guilty ended up being seriously charged with a variety of felonies, are the folks who are intentionally manipulating climate data similarly guilty?

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.


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As you said, Noel, the econom

Noel, interesting communication between you and Dr Ball.   Thanks for sharing it. 

As you said, the economic ramifications are huge.  Its not too extreme to call this nothing less than an attempted take-over of the world economy.  

"Did we think Kyoto would [reduce global warming] when we signed it?  Hell no!"  -Al Gore

Noel...thank you for keeping

Noel...thank you for keeping this topic "front and center" - we are being subjected to a level of mass brain-washing not seen before.  And, as you and the good Dr. point out, it is not without severe ramifications.

Thanks again...and please make sure we continue to have all the latest - I appreciate those at Newsbusters for staying on top of all the misinformation being tossed about without consideration of the consequences!

CC

CC,

My pleasure.  :-)   ns

A clever lawyer ought to be a

A clever lawyer ought to be able to use the RICO statute to nail some of these people.

Rochester, Minnesota: A Fem_Leftist City!

Which shows just how danger

Which shows just how dangerous that kind of law, once stretched by politically ambitious prosecutors like Rudy, can be. They're wrong, sure, but aren't the proponents of GW just speaking?? I could make a far-stronger argument for application of that law to a certain church which showed a pattern of repeatedly ignoring the diddling of young kids, but whenever I say that I'm accused of supporting that argument. I don't. I'm just saying I could make the argument that particular church would fall squarely under that law, and make it a damn-strong one, and everyone here knows it.
JMR

Sarc

J,

No, they're not just speaking. According to skeptics like Ball, they are willfully manipulating data to achieve a predetermined outcome. This guarantees them additional federal funding, and, therefore, givens them a financial motive.

If it therefore can be proven that they are falsifying data for financial gain, couldn't this be actionable?   ns

Moreover shouldn't it?To thos

Moreover shouldn't it?

To those that have ever written a thesis, dissertation or published a paper in a technical journal they know that either their professors/committee members and/or an editorial staff, if ethical, would never let this scenario propagate.  Science is about collecting data first and then making interpretations and building the models.  The data should never be meant to fit the 'model' or preconceived notions...(that is what makes me so frustrated with these people).

Only if there is the politica

Only if there is the political will to prosecute (Prosecutorial Discretion).   I will remind everyone that Dr. Mann, the perpetrator of the infamous hockey stick temperature graph fraud was never held accountable for receiving tax payer funds to falsify his work.  He was thoroughly exposed by Senator Inhofe and other scientists for his fraud, did he give back one dime of grant money?  Did he spend one day in jail?  Did a judge rebuke him for deceiving the public?  The answer is NO.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

Despite my comment poking f

Despite my comment poking fun at Rudy, people like me would absolutely LOVE it if crappy government "scientists" were held accountable, because our targets would appear all over the political spectrum, not just on enviro-frauds. Be careful what you wish-for, if you happen to like big government's currently-favored second-hand smoke BS or tax & spend drugwar-supporting "science."
JMR

Since I don't believe in big

Since I don't believe in big government, I do wish for it.  We don't just have scientific fraud going on with climate studies, this is also attempting to happen with stem cell research which is why George Bush's cut off on embryonic stem cells is whipping up the frenzy of the liberals.  Once that ban is gone, the sky's the limit on federal funding on a dead end line of research which only produces cancers or abnormal growth, just like climate change research accomplishes nothing.  This is a liberal jobs program like the bloated Federal bureaucracy.  Btw there was an interesting article on embryonic stem cells hyping the use of this research.  The hype: embryonic stem cells can be used as a test for various diseases because they CAUSE THEM!  Not cure them, CAUSE THEM!

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

If it's a pattern (two or m

If it's a pattern (two or more incidents of criminality, like the church I mentioned WRT repeated high-level child sex abuse coverups) then yes, it might fall under RICO. If it's a single instance, from what I understand, RICO wouldn't be implicated even if it's actionable under other laws. My point was a targetted RICO-jab about Rudy and similarly hyperpolitical prosecutors of either political party (see Spitzer) who wish to stretch laws for political gain. Sadly, there's no law against that.
JMR

Please, please keep spreading

Please, please keep spreading these conspiracy thoeries. It gives you guys a lot of credibility.

What's the matter Wobbler? 

What's the matter Wobbler?  You've become no more than a troll these days.  I don't think you have the guts to debate this tripe Gore spreads here anymore becuase you will simply get your ass handed to you again.

>FLUSH<

Just the remedy for your posts.

Throatwobbler, there are many

Throatwobbler, there are many problems with the theory of AGW.  Computer models that fail to take into account clouds.  Evidence that CO2 did not precede but followed past periods of global warming.  Other items I won't bore you with.

But let's take Al Gore's theory to the end.  Say it really is anthropogenic.  Say we do everything Al Gore wants us to.  (Damn the economy, full speed ahead.)  

In the mean time, China continues on its present course.  And more than compensates for all of the greenhouse gases we didn't put into the atmosphere.  And we have global warming anyway.  What will we have accomplished?

We will have accomplished a l

We will have accomplished a lot, silly.  guiltwobbler won't be so consumed with guilt for living in the world's most powerful and advanced economy if we can shackle it.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

They had a good teacher. J

They had a good teacher. Josef Stalin.

IMPEACH PELOSI NOW

As we know that many of the g

As we know that many of the guilty ended up being seriously charged with a variety of felonies, are the folks who are intentionally manipulating climate data similarly guilty?

Only if they personally profit from the deception. So how do we define personal profit?  Most people would say when you financial gain in some manner whether directly or indirectly.  Let's take Dr. Al Gore for instance.  As a member of the board of a "Carbon Credit" company in England he profits by receiving a salary which is financed by people whom he convinced their monetary purchase of carbon credits would offset their activities to be so called carbon neutral.  Of course planting trees will not be the only thing such a company will do, they will also "invest" in alternative energy.  That "investment" returns dividends which also pays Dr. Al Gore's salary. 

Indirectly, Dr. Al Gore's investments in Occidental Petroleum will also financially benefit him.  Occidental Petroleum is into oil, gas, electrical production and energy marketing (like Enron).  Any legislation to restrict the supply of energy through Carbon Caps will have the the down stream effect of raising prices by which Occidental Petroleum will profit due to percentage.  Any legislation to restrict drilling for oil and natural gas benefits Occidental Petroleum by creating a bottleneck in supplies to increase the price.  Dr. Al Gore is positioned to profit handsomely out of any so called Green action the Congress does. 

It would be one thing if Dr. Al Gore said we all can profit by making America energy independent, come buy stock in the company I'm forming to produce alternate energy products such as solar panels, wind turbines and energy efficient products, but he isn't, is he?  No, not at all.  He is promoting an atmosphere of fear and panic to profit behind the scenes by transferring wealth from you and me to his pocket, that's called conspiracy to commit fraud.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

Dan

Dan,

Of course. This is why the global warmingist-in-chief looked so smug at the hearings a few weeks ago:

He knows full well that he has conned the public with this film, and the he stands to make millions as a result. This is his big payback for the Florida recount not going his way: "I couldn't con enough people to be president. Fine. I'll just con them out of their money!"  

After all, as Gordon Gecko so aptly stated, a fool and his money are lucky to get together in the first place!    ns

The computer model sounds som

The computer model sounds somewhat like the equivalent of predicting that Alex Rodriguez is going to hit 104 home runs with 286 RBIs this season based on the fact that he hit 4 HRs and had 11 RBIs in week one.

*****

"Was it a millionaire who said 'Imagine no possessions?'" - Elvis Costello

Thus the logical fallacy that

Thus the logical fallacy that extrapolation (computer model) is prediction.  Extrapolation by a computer can not predict the future due to the failure to include all the variables (no matter how insignificant they might be) and the assumption that all things are equal.  The computer models do not have all the variables like clouds, etc. and are assumed to be static like the sun, i.e. no significant change. All things are not equal, everything is variable in so many countless ways as to be unpredictable, just like the weather. 

The population bomb myth is based on the same logical fallacy of extrapolation.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

Is there a place or an open s

Is there a place or an open source to dissect these models?  When devising such a dynamic and intensive GW model I can only imagine the great liberties taken in their assumptions, but I've never seen them quantified.  Occasionally I'll see an obscure piece about one particular variable being revised, but I would be interested in taking a more expansive look under the hood of these great fortune tellers.  Any ideas?

I don't know, I would assume

I don't know, I would assume that if you are registered with one or more of the various scientific websites you could access that data or the paper that references it.  My information comes from what has been reported by scientists such as Fred Singer, William Gray, Vincent Gray and others like Dr. Landschiedt, each a pioneer in their field of study.   One does not stand on the shoulders of great men and then piss upon their works by dismissing them when they don't hold the same opinion as the political consensus such as AGW.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

Dr. Michael Economides and Dr

Dr. Michael Economides and Dr. Ronald Oligney wrote a book in 2000 entitled "The Color of Oil".  The book eloquently discusses the history of the petroleum industry and its impact on society and most importantly it’s driving force in the world economy.  Petroleum has afforded many nations the ability to grow and thrive and continues to do so (see China & India).  It is a great read and I recommend it to all of you.

Now with that being said, RJ, I agree----this is an attempt, by the AGW'ers to take over the world economy.  What is going to replace petroleum as the primary catalyst to world economic growth?  I don't know.  All I know is that, as Dr. Ball said (and I totally agree and have been preaching to my friends and colleagues for some time), policy is going to be made on this junk science that is going to affect all of us----economically, politically and otherwise if we don't stop this runaway train called global warming.

Noel, thanks for sharing.

Thank you, Dr. Ball, for cont

Thank you, Dr. Ball, for continuing to fight against disinformation and alarmism. It is probably at significant risk to yourself, your career, and your livelihood. We appreciate and support your efforts to inject a bit of sanity into this global warming frenzy.

However, his writings, speech

However, his writings, speeches, and television appearances concerning the science and lack thereof surrounding anthropogenic global warming make him a distinguished member of the growing list of skeptics around the world desperately and passionately fighting to inject some facts into this contentious debate.

Well, where is his research, Noel? Where is his peer-reviewed research? Hell, where is his research that hasn't been reviewed? He has no research, does no research, and doens't know what he's talking about--not that that matters much here.

TW,Just a few for ya here....

TW,

Just a few for ya here....

Gosh, I guess Ball has dispro

Gosh, I guess Ball has disproved global warming for..what, Hudson Bay?

Any of those cites disprove global warming? Any? Do any even challenge one precept of global warming?

If those pubs tell you anything, they tell you that Ball is a small time climate scientist.

Let's see. Who shall I listen

Let's see. Who shall I listen a bit more carefully to. Tim Ball? Or someone who tells us the Ross Ice Shelf is suspended? Tim Ball? Throatpecker? Tim Ball? Throatpecker?

Thanks Noel.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

I see, make a claim about som

I see, make a claim about somehting I never said and then don't answer the question.

This is your guy. If he knows why the IPCC is wrong, why doesn't he publish it?

You did. Quoting Gore. When I

You did. Quoting Gore. When I pointed out the physical difficulties you danced around to talking about Greenland. And kept changing the subject.

BTW Apparently you have difficulty reading also. A whole lot of people have published how IPCC is in error.

I think one calls the inability to see it magical thinking. Denial

You sir are the true denier.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

And why was I quoting Gore, d

And why was I quoting Gore, danny-bo? If you remember, it was to prove that Pat Michaels was lying when he said Gore claimed sea level would rise 20 ft by 2100. Noel still hasn't corrected his incorrect post on that topic, which says all that needs to be said about the relationship between this site and actual facts.

&gt;FLUSH&lt;Your scientific

>FLUSH<

Your scientific acumen astounds me!

Oh dear, TW, S&amp;T did a go

Oh dear, TW, S&T did a google search and found lots of papers by Ball.  Why couldn't you do that TW?  Are you google impaired or practicing the worn out liberal tactic of making false assertions on the pretense there is no information to be found to counter the assertion?  It's the seriousness of the charge, not the facts that are of concern... You are not getting any points from us for that kind of behavior, it may work for liberals, but it is a non starter for conservatives.  Everytime you do this TW you confirm to us that liberals can not be trusted in what they say.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

D,Yeah, I am almost embarrass

D,

Yeah, I am almost embarrassed by the fact I did that (Google search); usually I like to go through some of the more thorough scientific databases (and then hit the refs lists of the pubs), but was looking for a quick set-hence the Google search. 

Now I am just waiting for him to come back and try to tear down the character of, and discredit Dr. Ball.  It is one of their favorite defense mechanisms!  Smoke and mirrors.

3......2.......1.......

Hey, I'm not proud, google se

Hey, I'm not proud, google searches have lead me to many interesting papers (copied for public review) of which can only be found outside of these closed scientific websites.  I have many times done a search found the first item to be in a scientific site which I can not enter but then find the same paper copied to an open site through some digging via word group matching.  To be an informed person you must learn to data mine.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

D,Nor am I.  Sorry, I didn't

D,

Nor am I.  Sorry, I didn't mean to come across that way.  I like google as well and particularly the "Scholar Google".  You can at least get to abstracts.  From there I will either further search online, go to the library, join the organization (if I can justify the cost) or simply contact the author. 

You know I have always loved the data mining part of science.  It is like a treasure hunt.  The more you look the more you gain and learn!

I'm not him, I'm just playing him

(playing the role of guiltwobbler):

"Of course he's lying.  I debunked him over and over.  Global warming is a FACT and we must do something about it.  But don't ask me what we should do; I just want something to whine about."

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Do you think his research sup

Do you think his research supports the comments he makes publically?

And six isn't lots for someone who's supposed to be an expert. Let me know if you want to see the c.v. of a scientist who actually matters.

TW, you remind me of that Mon

TW, you remind me of that Monty Python episode where Arthur fights the black knight, http://forums.fortminor.com/archive/index.php/t-740.html 

King Arthur chops the Knights arm off*
"Stand aside good Sir Knight." - Arthur
"Tis but a scratch." - Knight
"A scratch? Your arms off!" - Arthur
"No it isn't!" - Knight
"What's that then?!" - Arthur
"I've had worse." - Knight
"You liar!" - Arthur
"Come on you pansy!" - Knight

*more fighting and Arthur chops his other arm off*

"Victory is mine!" *kneels and begins to pray. But is kicked by the Knight*
"Ow stop that!" - Arthur
"Chicken! Chicken!"
"Look you stupid bastard you've got no arms left!" - Arthur
"Yes I have!" - Knight
"Look!" - Arthur
"Just a flesh wound." - Knight *kicks more*
"Look I'll have your leg!" *kicks*

*Arthur chops the Knight's leg off."

"Right, I'll do you for that!" - Knight
"You'll what?!" - Arthur
"Come here!" - Knight
"What are you going to do? Bleed on me?" - Arthur
"I'm invincible!" - Knight
"You're a loony" - Arthur
"The Black Knight always triumphs!" - Knight
*chops off the knights remaining limb*

"Alright. We'll call it a draw!"- Knight
"Come Patsy!" - Arthur *Rides off with his squire*
"Where are you going?! You yellow bastard! Come here! I'll bite your kneecaps off!" - Knight

Dude you lost, quit while you're behind because it's getting silly.

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

If you are unable to answer t

If you are unable to answer the question, just say so.

Of course, the NB legions remind me of the argument sketch.

"CO2 is a known greenhouse gas"
"No it isn't"
"Yes it is"
"No it isn't."
"Yes it is."
"NO IT ISN'T LIBERAL IDIOT!!!!"

Concensus

Well there remains a concensus here that liberals are idiots - end of debate.

Advice

"If you are unable to answer the question, just say so."

I wish you would take your own advice sometimes...

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Do you think any research sup

Do you think any research supports ALL claims Gore makes in his propaganda movie?

Dr.  Ball actualy EARNED a Phd in the sciences, he did not get one presented to him honorarily in recognition for his accomplishments in the field of propaganda.

And ... there is NO scientists whose opinions about Global Warming are supported 100% by their own research.  The topic, Earth's climate system, is far too large and complex to be covered by the research of any single scientist or group of scientists.  Therefore, Ball is no different than any other scientist with an opinion on this subject, he derives most of his knowleged from the works of others.  You disparage him because you, an ill-informed layman, disagree with his scientific opinion.

On peer-review (sigh, once again...)

Why does it have to be peer-reviewed, guiltwobbler?  Having severe problems thinking for yourself, doing your own homework and critically thinking on your own?  Peer-review is only an excuse for you and others like you to stop critically thinking.

Oh wait.  You are a global warming religionist and dogmatist, so yes, you DO have severe problems in those areas of life.  Never mind. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

hey unsane, wasting your ti

hey unsane, wasting your time with him buddy. You can't argue logic with a child who has no logical faculties.

The interesting thing about those in the grip of a mass psychosis...

(Erich Frome, you should be alive today)

... such as we, human beings, can affect the climate, is how old these mass hysterias are.

The historical record on societies going back millenia shows that until very recently it was the norm to blame human beings for the weather, and other physical phenemona like earthquakes.

The seventeenth century is full of stories of witchcraft and witches causing crops to fail, drought, pestilence.

Much like today, those in the grip of hysteria blamed these poor women, so they burned them at the stake. Or ducked them in the local pond to see if they drowned.

These days the mentally disturbed are slighly more sophisticated as they merely try to destroy careers, blacklist scientists who don't tow the 'party' line.

50 years ago that was called McCarthyism. Before that Stalinism.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

IMPEACH PELOSI NOW

Oh no...wobbly is back.Geesh.

Oh no...wobbly is back.

Geesh.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

And I think he's devolving

And I think he's devolving into a more primordial state of basic elements. Who knew that was even possible outside a Star Trek episode.

(Slight correction: my reference should have been Erich Fromme.)

IMPEACH PELOSI NOW

Interesting point. I believe

Interesting point. I believe it was Lamb. (One of those people who don't exist. And who never did a study of the history of climate change.) Well he discussed an advance of a glacier. Caused a river to be blocked. Created a large lake on the up river side of the glacier. They called the bishop in. As this was obviously caused by man's sins. And it was necessary for the bishop to ask god for forgiveness. Then again, the black death was also caused by gods wrath for man's sins.

Throatpecker is a lot more like the inquisitors than he realizes.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

Absolutely danbo. I think i

Absolutely danbo.

I think it was Phineas T. Barnum who had best summed up the normal prediliction of mankind..

Son, there's a sucker born every minute...

IMPEACH PELOSI NOW

I believe a lot of the warmer

I believe a lot of the warmers consider themselves much as the Albigensian Crusaders against the Cathars. They pick up the sword. And believe if they do so all their sins are forgiven. They don't have to live as they speak. They are exempt because of their service to god in the crusade. And they made others live differently and renounce their heracy..

However, the Cathars were pacifist. I'm not a pacifist.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

Curious how throatwobbler i

Curious how throatwobbler is so 'invested' in seeing AGW be accepted as fact, and how vicious his attacks on skeptics are. Could there be some $$$ at stake for him/her/it?

Summary of Ball's testimony before congress

D

A day without NewsBusters is like a day without sunshine.

Ball's testimonyFascinating.

Ball's testimony

Fascinating.  One excerpt:

The biggest problem is that all ‘predictions’ of global warming are based on computer models (known as General Circulation Models (GCM) that simply don’t work. The models can’t recreate known conditions, can’t handle clouds and are unable to forecast for six months from now, yet we’re expected to accept forecasts for 100 years are accurate and certain.

The models can't handle clouds and can't recreate known conditions.   Throatwobbler, what is your take on the serious inadequacies of the models that seems to form the basis of your view on the subject?

DYour post brought this line

D

Your post brought this line of thought to mind

All we need to do is get a model of the Starship Enterprise (since the models used have no basis in reality) then we copy the power system with the 'anti-matter pods' and there it is clean eco-friendly energy in abundance.

Fascinating      Spock

And no more cars. We could b

And no more cars. We could beam ourselves everywhere.

I'll take the shuttlecraft as

I'll take the shuttlecraft as Bones says i just don't like the idea of my molecules being sent all about the universe

Beamed into a wall?

As Scott Adams (Dilbert) says,

Would you trust you co-workers to operate that thing for you? Remember, these are the same people that can't seem to refill the paper tray on the printers, or make a fresh batch of coffee.

hey hey hey these are HIGHLY

hey hey hey these are HIGHLY trained techies

Uh, just a thought...If Kirk

Uh, just a thought...

If Kirk and company could just beam themselves to wherever they wanted to go, why did they need the Enterprise?

Oh the things that keep me awake at night.

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

I asked one of my friends -

I asked one of my friends - he is a Trekie - the same question.

Seem to be a range limit on that thing. Oh yeah, that's believable. ;-)

I'll buy that  but what i 

I'll buy that  but what i  want to know is why didn't Spock ever back-hand McCoy for being a smart-a$$

botg...I know this one... it'

botg...

I know this one... it's got something to do with his pointy ears, right?

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

Network censors?

Network censors?

Thank you, Andy Rooney.

Thank you, Andy Rooney.

Fun, ain't it?The liberal MSM

Fun, ain't it?

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

The latest from CBC

Maybe more in Canada are catching on...

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Everyone knows a prosecuter

Everyone knows a prosecuter can indict a ham sandwich, and we have seen terrible recent examples of such, but has one of them been successful with a flying pig?

How many people were put to d

How many people were put to death at Salem?

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

http://www.canadafreepress.co

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/cover031207.htm   I just read this a few days ago.   The fact that Dr. Bell & others who refuse to go along with the big GW guilt trip being dumped on society, have had their lives threatened, is reason enough to believe that he is 100% correct in what he is saying.  As far as I'm concerned, algore & the other 'man-made GW' pushers are environmental terrorists.   Striking fear into the hearts & minds of children is, as my dear old Dad used to say, "lower than a snake's ass!"   

These dissenters must be sile

These dissenters must be silenced quickly, Snow.  All the new regulations and laws have to be passed before the average global temperature flips around again.

(Thank you for not going along with the mass hysteria, Dr. Ball.)