Matching the spin delivered Wednesday night, CBS and NBC on Thursday night again framed the Supreme Court's decision upholding the Partial-Birth Abortion Act through the prism of those on the losing side -- painting it as a loss of “abortion rights,” the imposition of “restrictions,” instead of as an expansion of protections for the unborn, all while distancing themselves from the “partial-birth” term.
Wyatt Andrews framed his CBS Evening News story around the upset of those in favor of partial-birth abortions, starting his piece: “To abortion rights supporters, the Supreme Court ruling was a legal and medical disaster for women.” Andrews also warned: “Both sides in the abortion debate agree that yesterday's ruling will unleash new state restrictions on abortion.” NBC's Dawn Fratangelo cited state bills to regulate abortion, calling it action which “pro-abortion rights groups worry chips away at the right to choose.” Fratangelo zeroed in on how “abortion rights advocates are worried about” the language in the decision that “seems to put the debate back years. In the majority opinion, Justice Anthony Kennedy describes the surgical procedure in detail and suggests some women may not be aware of what happens to the fetus, writing: 'The knowledge it conveys will be to encourage some women to carry the infant to full term.' This led Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg to write for the minority: 'This way of thinking reflects ancient notions about women's place in the family and under the Constitution.' Lesley Rotenberg, a clinic director, finds it paternalistic...”
My April 19 NewsBusters item, “Nets Separate from 'Partial-Birth' Term, Frame Story Around Loss of 'Abortion Rights,'” detailed the Wednesday night coverage on ABC, CBS and NBC of the SCOTUS ruling.
The MRC's Brad Wilmouth corrected the closed-captioning against the video for the April 19 CBS and NBC stories. ABC's World News did not air a follow-up story.
CBS Evening News:
Katie Couric: "The battle over abortion is heating up again tonight after the Supreme Court ruling upholding the ban on a procedure opponents call 'partial-birth abortion.' Here's Wyatt Andrews."
Wyatt Andrews: "To abortion rights supporters, the Supreme Court ruling was a legal and medical disaster for women. Their argument is, if women cannot have the so-called 'partial-birth abortion,' where the fetus is removed mostly intact, the result will be thousands more abortions requiring the dismemberment of the fetus inside the womb."
Nancy Northrup, Center for Reproductive Rights: "So the doctor is going to either be doing things that are less safe or is going to be having additional steps that could pose more risk to their patient."
Andrews: "Both sides in the abortion debate agree that yesterday's ruling will unleash new state restrictions on abortion. In the decision, Justice Anthony Kennedy virtually invited the states to have women seeking abortions learn more about the way in which the fetus will be killed. Anti-abortion rights groups, which believe more graphic information will discourage abortion, hailed that part of the ruling."
Jay Sekulow, American Center for Law and Justice: "Telling the states they have a legitimate interest in making sure these women also know what they're engaging in and what's at stake is going to have just huge ramifications."
Andrews: "The court's decision also showed the importance of Justice Samuel Alito in abortion cases. Alito, who replaced Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, was for the partial-birth ban. O'Connor voted seven years ago to strike the ban down."
Andrew Cohen, CBS News legal analyst: "This ruling makes clear that Justice Alito is more conservative and more in favor of stronger restrictions on abortions than was his predecessor, Sandra Day O'Connor."
Andrews: "Then there's the big question: Will this decision impact the basic right to an abortion established in Roe versus Wade? The answer is 'not yet' because yesterday's swing vote, Justice Kennedy, has been a supporter of Roe. Wyatt Andrews, CBS News, at the Supreme Court."
NBC Nightly News:
Brian Williams: "We're back now with NBC News 'In Depth' tonight: What could be the domino effect from yesterday's landmark Supreme Court ruling on abortion. By a 5-4 vote the justices upheld a ban on a method that opponents have branded 'partial-birth abortion.' And tonight, on both sides of this abortion debate, there is agreement it could well be a game changer on a state-by-state basis. Here is NBC's Dawn Fratangelo."Dawn Fratangelo: "The high court ruling is already creating waves, upsetting women's groups, emboldening those who oppose abortion who've been successful in getting some states to restrict it. The most recent, just Wednesday in Missouri, lawmakers approved more restrictions on clinics."
State Rep. Cynthia Davis (R-MO): "I feel much more confident because we have a lot of good logic on our side. The other side doesn't have the facts and the intelligent reasons why we should be killing our offspring."
Fratangelo: "In Mississippi a new bill calls for outlawing abortion if Roe versus Wade is overturned. And in South Carolina, a bill is pending that doctors must inform women they can see an ultrasound before an abortion -- all action, pro-abortion rights groups worry, chips away at the right to choose."
Kelli Conlin, National Abortion Rights Action League: "There is no doubt that Roe will not withstand another anti-choice President. People have to take this issue into context when they vote in 2008."
Fratangelo: "Staff at this clinic in New York, along with other abortion rights advocates, are worried about something else in this decision, the language that seems to put the debate back years. In the majority opinion, Justice Anthony Kennedy describes the surgical procedure in detail and suggests some women may not be aware of what happens to the fetus, writing: 'The knowledge it conveys will be to encourage some women to carry the infant to full term.' This led Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg to write for the minority: 'This way of thinking reflects ancient notions about women's place in the family and under the Constitution.' Lesley Rotenberg, a clinic director, finds it paternalistic."
Lesley Rotenberg, abortion clinic director: "It really is saying that, you know, some group of men know best, and they'll, don't worry, dear, we'll make the decision for you.' And I'm very concerned about that."
Fratangelo: "Renewed debate about the Supreme Court and one of the most divisive issues in the country. Dawn Fratangelo, NBC News, New York."
—Brent Baker is Vice President for Research and Publications at the Media Research Center





Wyatt Andrews: "To abortion rights supporters, the Supreme Court ruling was a legal and medical disaster for women. Their argument is, if women cannot have the so-called 'partial-birth abortion,' where the fetus is removed mostly intact, the result will be thousands more abortions requiring the dismemberment of the fetus inside the womb."
Fratangelo: "Staff at this clinic in New York, along with other abortion rights advocates, are worried about something else in this decision, the language that seems to put the debate back years. In the majority opinion, Justice Anthony Kennedy describes the surgical procedure in detail and suggests some women may not be aware of what happens to the fetus, writing: 'The knowledge it conveys will be to encourage some women to carry the infant to full term.' This led Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg to write for the minority: 'This way of thinking reflects ancient notions about women's place in the family and under the Constitution.' Lesley Rotenberg, a clinic director, finds it paternalistic."
Lesley Rotenberg, abortion clinic director: "It really is saying that, you know, some group of men know best, and they'll, don't worry, dear, we'll make the decision for you.' And I'm very concerned about that."














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How sad. That's all I can s
April 19, 2007 - 20:08 ET by terrigHow sad. That's all I can say.
What is "sad" is su
April 19, 2007 - 20:14 ET by iveseenitallWhat is truly sad is sucking the brains out of a child who is seeing the world for the first time. It's barbaric.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
It is sad and it's disgusti
April 19, 2007 - 20:18 ET by terrigIt is sad and it's disgusting & it makes me sick.
Right, and I will never under
April 19, 2007 - 20:22 ET by iveseenitallRight, and I will never understand how anybody with even a modicum of humanity could condone it. The "doctors" who do it are as bad as the terrorists.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
To put it into context even liberals can understand,
April 19, 2007 - 20:44 ET by RJIt IS barbaric. To put it into context even liberals can understand, it's no different than Mayan Priests ripping beating hearts from the chests of their terrified victims.
I am with you RJ, How ANYON
April 19, 2007 - 21:37 ET by MightyMouthI am with you RJ, How ANYONE can justify pulling a baby breach out of the mothers womb and piercing the childs head and sucking the childs brain out, is indefensible.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Francis Schaefer
April 19, 2007 - 21:55 ET by Free StinkerFrancis Schaefer was ahead of his time when he wrote "Whatever Happened to the Human Race"
Schaefer
April 19, 2007 - 21:58 ET by nkviking75A wonderful book, Stinker. I recommend it highly.
terrorists
April 20, 2007 - 08:40 ET by elmcclinticThe "doctors" who do this are as bad as the terrorists.
There is a 9/11 every day in this country in the abortion mills, but who is counting?
For most of the media--and aw
April 20, 2007 - 03:55 ET by Andrew H.For most of the media--and awful people like Ginsberg, Souter, et al--even a baby is a political tool. Partial birth abortion??? That's killing, evil swine. Remember it was clinton who appointed her.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
Judge Ginsberg
April 19, 2007 - 20:32 ET by misterbillJudge Ginsberg I have always wanted to believe there is no eternal damnation. A grest deal of that feeling is caused by fear. I do not want to be eternally punished. I look around and I see these people who condone abortion and if they could , would make it an everyday occurence with no stigma assigned to it. I truly believe they are condemning themselves to eternal punishment. There is nothing worse a person can do than to willfully, casually take a human life. Even worse is to prey on helpless babies. No baby ever asked a woman to conceive them. It was the woman's decision to participate in an act that causes conception. There are other means besides abortion. Contraception would prevent the horror of murder. Judge Ginsberg, I will pray for your immortal soul, but you must get in line bheind the 45 million infant souls created and murdered since Roe v. Wade.
Fighting evil
April 20, 2007 - 08:48 ET by elmcclinticWe who claim Christianity as our hope, need to spend hours in front of the Eucharist to bring back these souls from damnation.
A prayer I repeat daily: Dearest Mother of God, as one we pray and beseech you to ask you Holy Son today, with gracious hand to touch and heal, the spirit of His children whose souls are at risk because of their involvement with Planned Parenthood.
Hope is belief in something unseen that is only realized by the grace of God.
If we have the desire for good to prevail, and the confidence that God can do all things, then we have what we need to make the world come to His Kingdom.
Abortion will not end by a ruling, it will only end by change of hardened hearts.
'This way of thinking reflect
April 19, 2007 - 20:38 ET by MidAmerica'This way of thinking reflects ancient notions about women's place in the family and under the Constitution.' Lesley Rotenberg, a clinic director, finds it paternalistic."
..... so it's none of the governments business what she chooses for her body when she wants to stick a needle in her unborn child's brain but the government has every right to make it illegal for her french fries to be cooked in trans-fat oils?
I don't understand how any ri
April 19, 2007 - 20:42 ET by SnowWhiteI don't understand how any right thinking woman can just have her unborn child ripped out of her & call it her "right". No matter what stage a pregnancy is, it is killing a human being whether they admit it or not. Women who don't wish to have a child should avail themselves of one of the birth control methods that are on the market or use some SELF- CONTROL and abstain from sex. It's not too difficult to figure that out. There are several Bible verses which state that God knows us before we are born. These people don't seem to care what God thinks or says in His Word. What a tavesty abortion is! And the people who want laws that give a woman the 'right' to kill their own unborn child are monsters in my opinion.
SnowWhite
April 19, 2007 - 20:47 ET by misterbillSnowWhite I have one area where I challenge conventional thinking. No married woman has the right to choose abortion without discussing it with her husband. I believe the two are one. No husband has a right to get a vasectomy without agreement from his wife. Even if there are solid medical reasons in each case and either MUST be done. The knowledge should be shared with one's spouse.
YEAH!!
April 19, 2007 - 20:52 ET by Mr. BishopYou brought up a real sore spot with me (pretty much literally too). When I had my vasectomy, at like 21-ish... or was it 22? Anyhow... I had it done 3 months after my son was born. When I went in there... I had to get a permission slipped signed BY my WIFE! If this was not done, I could not get a vasectomy! Now... it would stand to reason, that if an abortion is a "woman's right to choose" (utter nonsense and BS), then why is it, that a man who decides he wants a vasectomy done, has to have a permission slip signed to have his tubage cut??!!
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
You had to get a permission s
April 19, 2007 - 22:43 ET by Tony SYou had to get a permission slip from your wife? what year was this? And what state? This is ridiculous. Men really don't have domain over their own bodies: Parents can circumcise us without consent, wives can say whether we can get vastectomies or not, and after we're dead they can legally harvest our sperm against our will.
What has happened to the men of this country that we have let it come to this? Is it the affects of too much feminism, Christian chivalry and sympathy or both? Whatever the case, this is intolerable.
I am going to inquire into getting a vastectomy just to see if I need "permission."
misterbill:Good point. I ag
April 19, 2007 - 21:43 ET by SnowWhitemisterbill:
Good point. I agree. I just can't imagine a married woman wanting to abort her child, ...unless it's a matter of life & death. That would be a heart-wrenching decision to have to make.
snow white : exactly why
April 20, 2007 - 00:11 ET by tumbler_2007Snow White, My Dear,
Why did you qualify it as "imagine a MARRIED woman wanting to abort,"
Is being an unmarried woman something different ? Does the child know his mother is not married ? Did the child do anything wrong ?
Another form
April 20, 2007 - 09:07 ET by elmcclinticOne of the puzzelers for me is why do women share bodily fluids with men who they do not want to parent with. Contraception takes the place of communication. Women deserve better than this. Once sex takes place the likelihood of talking and finding out about your partner almost becomes null and void, unless you are in a committed relationship and have to discuss whether the happenstance of an unintended pregnancy could occur and whether you as a couple are willing to accept the child that is the outcome of your love.
Contraception does not protect women from unexpected, unplanned pregnancies. Most abortions are from contracepted acts. The contraception failed. These acts were not in a self-giving, life-giving, committed, openly-communicated relationship. If they were, they would accept the child. Contraception kills the relationship. Abortion is just another form of contraception.
I always cite America's abo
April 19, 2007 - 20:50 ET by jondelwicheI always cite America's abortion mills as the one thing in this country that would have been most envied by Adolf Hitler. It incorporates alleged medical professionals, with the full backing of a nation's legal system, to eradicate the offspring of this nation's lower socioeconomic classes. As a sad consequence, bring in illegal aliens to bolster our undermanned workforce.....Oddly, people now alleging abuses at Guantanamo or other secret prisons seem fully in support of this barbarism---just look at the political comments on Drudge. I wish this country would treat its enemies with a mere fraction of the disdain it shows our unborn offspring.God Bless this decision and America; I hope the best is yet to come.
I will say this again. When m
April 19, 2007 - 20:52 ET by Gat New YorkI will say this again. When my son was in 6th grade and they began sex education in school the teacher spoke about birth control and abortion. My son spoke up and very thoughtfully said that he was opposed to abortions. When the surprised teacher asked why, he responded by saying that had the mother of this one 15 year old girl been in favor of abortions, he would never had a chance to have a life and be sitting here today.
Of the 1300 abortions performed each year in the U.S. only 6% are done for medical reasons affecting the woman or the fetus. 93% are done because of the imposition of being pregnant or not wanting a child.
women
April 19, 2007 - 21:30 ET by gfrrmanSo women MUST unconditionally have the right to kill??...Uh, yeah right, now I understand.
Just picturing these women marching, screaming, "we MUST have the right to slaughter our babies" over and over is just beyond the pale. Unf'ing-believeable!!
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
Womans right to choose
April 19, 2007 - 22:27 ET by shawn228As soon as I was old enough to know what abortion is, I have been pro-choice. It was a black and white subject for me, nobody should tell a woman what she can do with her body. About one month ago, A member from NB challenged me to go on a site that showed aborted fetus'. It was not a easy to look at the pictures. It was really an eye opening experience. I had no idea the how formed the fetus was before the surgery.
While I still a support a womans right to have a abortion, it is something that I personally would never encourage. I'm not pro-life yet, but my position has definately shifted to the right.
shawnnobody should tell a wom
April 19, 2007 - 22:35 ET byshawn
nobody should tell a woman what she can do with her body
what you say. I'll not debate that it's probally true (except there are all kinds of drug laws for example that tell everybody what we can/cannot do with our bodies)
nobody should tell a woman what she can do with her body
check the DNA evidence (holds up in most courts) the woman has one set of DNA the baby has its own DNA thus the baby is not part of the womans body.
get with it the, latest femnist point is that the woman has the right to repel the INVADING organism!
botg,That's a nice thought...
April 19, 2007 - 22:47 ET by Blondebotg,
That's a nice thought....nobody should tell a woman what she can do with her body.
Well, they can TRY to tell us. But it doesn't mean we have to listen.
That's the point.
We have the right to choose...and that means choosing NOT to become pregnant. There are numerous ways to make that choice.
And yes, as far as the "invading" oranism, as you put it. That's every woman's worst nightmare. But it is the exception, rather than the rule, for "unwanted" pregnancies.
And as I'm fond of saying, I refuse to manage by the exception.
There is really no reason for an abortion. Unless one is the victim of serious bad luck. That could be handled with a "day after" pill....which, in my opinion, might be acceptable.
As to the rest of the abortion diatribe....it's idiotic. And in the end, it's murder. Of an innocent child because an adult (actually two adults....putting a correct amount of responsibility on the male of our species) is too stupid to be responsible.
hi blondeAnd yes, as far as t
April 19, 2007 - 23:07 ET byhi blonde
And yes, as far as the "invading" oranism, as you put it.
actually i didn't put it that way Naomi Wolf did
i would say whats wrong with adoption? anyway all you all have a good night
botg,I didn't catch the refer
April 19, 2007 - 23:14 ET by Blondebotg,
I didn't catch the reference "invading organism".
I'd agree....what's wrong with adoption?
Good night to you...sweet dreams.
That's good, Oblio.Stick with
April 19, 2007 - 22:35 ET by BlondeThat's good, Oblio.
Stick with us a while longer and we'll change your mind.
There's a right to "choose".
That's the right you have (actually the right a woman has) before she takes her clothes off.
Read, live, and learn.
LIfe is precious.
Regards,
B.
blonde-- today's limerick
April 19, 2007 - 22:47 ET by misterbillhttp://newsbusters.org/user/6960
Hi misterbill,Your link goes
April 19, 2007 - 22:52 ET by BlondeHi misterbill,
Your link goes to your user name....
Love your limericks.
They make my day.
Today's, because of my love and rspect for Rosie
April 19, 2007 - 22:55 ET by misterbillA lady on Tv, quite obese
Her audience she does fleece
And all her show long
says things that are wrong
And gets applause from simpering geese!
Hi misterbill,That is a bri
April 19, 2007 - 23:26 ET by jmad627Hi misterbill,
That is a brilliant limerick, it's so effing true LOL!!!!
Ruth BAD Ginsburg is a repulsive human being, do you or anyone else here share my opinion?
jmad,You will find that all o
April 19, 2007 - 23:30 ET by Blondejmad,
You will find that all of misterbill's limericks are brilliant.
misterbill is an american treasure.
As to the rest of your post....correct, once again!
Hi Blonde,Thanks for respon
April 19, 2007 - 23:54 ET by jmad627Hi Blonde,
Thanks for responding. I'm a newbie to this site, and to posting, although I registered a month or so ago. I find myself going to this site more, & more frequently. Also I enjoy your postings very much, as well as, misterbill and others. You guys/gals are great, and I am greatly comforted that you all are so articulate in stating your opinions, with which I agree. I will look forward to more of misterbill's poetry.
Take care, and God bless
jmad,Welcome here!Just post.
April 20, 2007 - 00:00 ET by Blondejmad,
Welcome here!
Just post. It takes a while to get the hang of it. No worries. :)
This is a wonderful site.
Enjoy!
P.S. misterbill rocks!
Thanks for the welcome, Blo
April 20, 2007 - 00:12 ET by jmad627Thanks for the welcome, Blonde
blonde-- Ginsberg
April 20, 2007 - 00:01 ET by misterbillA Supreme court judge named Ruth
In action was very uncouth
She's not a child herder
She much prefers murder
And that is the unvarnished truth
Woo hoo, bill!Five stars. P
April 20, 2007 - 00:02 ET by BlondeWoo hoo, bill!
Five stars. Please, repost that one on the open thread tomorrow.
It rocks.
Signing out now.
Goodnight Blonde,Looking fo
April 20, 2007 - 00:28 ET by jmad627Goodnight Blonde,
Looking forward to reading more of your postings.
welcome jmad
April 20, 2007 - 00:03 ET by misterbillwelcome jmad
ta ta the old man is tired!
April 20, 2007 - 00:07 ET by misterbillta ta the old man is tired!
Sleep well, Oh little girl
Although you're yet unborn
Keep well and join us soon
And together we will scorn
Those who in their Godless anger
Would murder you and not mourn!
Thanks for the welcome mist
April 20, 2007 - 00:15 ET by jmad627Thanks for the welcome misterbill.
Great one misterbill LOL LO
April 20, 2007 - 00:14 ET by jmad627Great one misterbill LOL LOL you're killing me---killing I say!!!
Too much NB
April 19, 2007 - 22:47 ET by shawn228My goodness Blonde, I even found myself agreeing with the Supreme Court decision. God help me, I am spending too much time on this site. lol. I don't think I will be wearing a Dubya hat anytime soon though.
Oblio,Doesn't matter if you w
April 19, 2007 - 22:54 ET by BlondeOblio,
Doesn't matter if you wear the GWB hat....
As long as we've convinced you to take off the tinfoil hat, we're doing our work.
Stick around, kid.
You might enjoy becoming a conservative.
Trust me when I tell you....you'll think more critically. Which means you'll be better at your job, get more promotions, make more money....and become an evil conservative! :D
Blonde....
April 19, 2007 - 23:00 ET by shawn228lol, I don't think I'm ready to be conservative just yet. You and I will get into it sooner or later, but you have not called me a troll for a whole week. Thats a start. lol. Greys is starting for me on the west coast in 2 minutes so I will be as you say..ooh. Have a great night and once again "happy birthday"
It's a start, Oblio.Good epis
April 19, 2007 - 23:05 ET by BlondeIt's a start, Oblio.
Good episode tonight.
McSteamy!
P.S. I haven't called you a troll in a whole week because you haven't acted like one for a week.
Correlation.
Google it!
I don't think I will be wea
April 19, 2007 - 22:57 ET by Free StinkerI don't think I will be wearing a Dubya hat anytime soon though.
Neither will most of us. Among other things, Bush has failed to secure the country's borders . . .
free stinker
April 19, 2007 - 23:01 ET by misterbillEarlier this evening I posed a question about immigration. I was hoping to get a lot of input and ideas. Guess who was the only person that answered??? Give that man a cigar!!!
misterbill
April 19, 2007 - 23:10 ET by Free StinkerHmm, let's see. Was it our rezident La Raza apologist?
no; must've been free stinker
April 19, 2007 - 23:35 ET by tumbler_2007Since he's shifting the blame to somebody who isn't a La Raza apologist
And never has been, this liar must be the one who answered. We know it wasn't Tumbler, who detests La Raza. --Tumber is an American.
I thought you said you went to France?
April 20, 2007 - 19:49 ET by Free StinkerI thought you said you went to France?
Or is the Moonbat ban still in effect there?
Free, he missed us so much he
April 20, 2007 - 19:52 ET by JABFree, he missed us so much he's posting from France on his vacation, while the wife sleeps by herself.
"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
Thank You JAB !
April 20, 2007 - 19:54 ET by Free StinkerLOL! :-)
while the wife sleeps by herself.
April 20, 2007 - 19:58 ET by misterbillwhile the wife sleeps by herself.???????????????????????????????????????
Oui , Il pret lui!
April 19, 2007 - 23:50 ET by misterbillOui , Il pret lui! Yes, but I had already awarded you the cigar.
He is all yours--I do not communicate with him.
Stinky
April 19, 2007 - 23:18 ET by gfrrman....and The House of Reps. as well as The Senate have been derelict of their duties of protecting the borders. It is criminal!!!
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
Yes, they all share respons
April 19, 2007 - 23:20 ET by Free StinkerYes, they all share responsibility. I mentioned our president as an example of the fact they we all do not march in lock step with him on many issues.
no, darling
April 19, 2007 - 23:44 ET by tumbler_2007The House and Senate have no duty even remotely like protecting our borders. The borders are under another jurisdiction. Before you pipe up with more of these juvenile distortions of the truth, get an education. Making stupid comments about something you don't understand is criminal. (Be glad there's no law against making an arse of yourself.)
Look in the mirror, Tumbler..
April 19, 2007 - 23:46 ET by BlondeLook in the mirror, Tumbler.....no law against making an arse of yourself!
It must be the pages--
April 19, 2007 - 23:53 ET by misterbillIt must be the pages--if it is not the House or Senate, or perhaps the DAR. Hmmmm? I need to think about it some more. Ah yes, el jefe de policia de Tiajuana , that's who!!!
Ah yes , another question, is it you Free that creates the laws for border security?
is your favor of any importance ?
April 19, 2007 - 23:57 ET by tumbler_2007Your hypocrisy drives you to make pretenses of honor & sensitivity. But all your past statements (documented) show you to have no foundation in love for your neighbor or personal modesty.
Therefore, I brush off your interference like a little gnat. -- Shoo, Fly.
addendum
April 20, 2007 - 00:02 ET by tumbler_2007Repeat, for those of you in Rio Linda;
Congress is not the autority which protects our borders. No amount of blubbering here in NB makes it Congress's "duty."
Therefore to claim Congress has been "derelict" is typical extremist bullsh^t. ;^)
Hi tumbler
April 20, 2007 - 00:37 ET by shawn228Hey tumbler , I get called troll almost as much as you, so this is not a flame. This is out of curiosity. From my understanding you are Pro life, Pro George Bush, Pro war in Iraq and for whole conservative movement except for the imigration thing. Why all the animosity between you and many of the main posters on this site? I have been on the sidelines watching and it has gotten my curiosity. Can you explain this to a bleeding heart liberal like myself?
you have read on the sideline
April 20, 2007 - 00:45 ET by Conservative Voiceyou have read on the sidelines, and you need explanation? Tumbler is in the doghouse because of how he argues, not because of his position.
Conservative Voice
April 20, 2007 - 00:50 ET by shawn228I am not defending Tumbler but from what I have seen, a lot of people can be pretty nasty when they argue.
like I said, its how he argue
April 20, 2007 - 01:05 ET by Conservative Voicelike I said, its how he argues. He is over the top in calling people nazis, racists etc and won't listen to any reason. This has been going on for months. So he gets called troll from people who are sick of hearing his rants.
OIC
April 20, 2007 - 09:23 ET by shawn228Ahhh. So he is kind of the Al Sharpton of the right?
Funny, I've never seen him
April 20, 2007 - 09:27 ET by sarcasmoFunny, I've never seen him on TV...
JMR
Margaret Sanger -- mass murderer
April 19, 2007 - 22:36 ET by w0tmThe founder of Planned Parenthood (Margaret Sanger), in her early writings, wrote she favored abortion on demand for ANY reason (nothing new there) up through the first 30 days of an infant's life. Yes, you read that right. Legalized infanticide. How many people know that! You'll never read that in any of the many writings of hers on the Planned Parenthood Web site or any of their printed material. She also actively campaigned for the forced sterilization of the "poor and minorities". Black genocide through selective birth control to be exact that was called “eugenics” to confuse the masses just as the word “choice” today hides what is actually murder of a human being. For fifty years, Planned Parenthood has been buying, then destroying, all copies of her early writings that they could find.
Fortunately, a few partial copies exist that are not in the hands of Planned Parenthood. Even though some are piecemeal, they are readable nonetheless and can be found on the Internet. Thus the founder and icon of Planned Parenthood preceded Hitler's "Final Solution" and the horrific sieges of "Ethnic Cleansing" of the 20th century but her beliefs were just as loathsome and evil. She only lacked the means for mass genocide, at least until 1973. Thirty-five million dead and counting since Roe v. Wade is ranking her among the largest mass murderers of all time. Another 20 years and she, through her zealotry driven followers, will surpass Hitler, Stalin and Mao Tse Tung as history's largest mass murderers. And it is occurring under the disguise of "compassion and caring".
Surely God has already judged her and will judge her followers harshly when the day arrives to face their creator. And face the millions they murdered who never enjoyed the life they were graced by God with. How disgusting and morally bankrupt they all are.
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Disclaimer: I am against abor
April 19, 2007 - 22:50 ET by KC MulvilleDisclaimer: I am against abortion. Strongly. However, on this website, I’d rather focus on how the media (who are obviously on the other side) distort their “news” reporting to advance their agenda. Three points:
First, by rule, any report that begins with what the critics say is inherently biased. When you lead with the criticism, you’re openly prejudicing the audience before you discuss the details of the issue. In this case, when I hear “news” reports leading with “some say this sets abortion rights back …” it’s an obvious attempt to prejudice the audience. And, once you anticipate this rule, you’ll be surprised how many reports begin this way.
Second, it’s a liberal axiom that when any court agrees with the liberal side, the game is over and the issue is no longer open to debate. When liberals win, they win forever … at least in their mind. However, when the conservative side wins, it’s merely a setback. When conservatives win (liberals believe) it’s only because the court made a mistake, or succumbed to nefarious pressure. They cannot believe that their side lost on reasonable grounds. The name-calling follows quickly. Case in point: check out Dahlia Lithwick’s snarky putdown of Anthony Kennedy. When Kennedy agreed with the liberal side, he was a poetic champion of justice. Now he’s embarrassing.
Third, when it comes to abortion, government suddenly becomes exclusively male. The reporters reinforce the idea that only men are against abortion, and that no women are against it. That’s an implicit premise behind the abortion clinic director when she claims that it’s paternalistic for government (read: men) to tell women that they know better. The reporter never challenges that because, obviously, that’s what she believes herself.
Anti-abortion rights groups,
April 19, 2007 - 22:59 ET by misterbill"Anti-abortion rights groups, which believe more graphic information will discourage abortion, hailed that part of the ruling."
Oh no, do you mean when faced with the gruesome truth that they are taking a helpless, human life, they may change their minds. Oh Heaven forbid. <sarcoff>
Scream silently
April 19, 2007 - 23:06 ET by Cool Arrowmommy observed a moment of silence.
Hush little baby don't you cry EVER!!!
Now back to me and my pursuit of happiness - - Susan Smith
I would like to start out b
April 19, 2007 - 23:25 ET by OIFveteranI would like to start out by saying that I am 100% pro-choice.
If a woman, or man for that matter, decides to have sex with someone they don't want a child with, that is okay in my book. However, I am also 100% pro-responsibility.
If you have sex with someone that you don't want a child with, well, maybe you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself if you are a human or an animal.
My .02 dollars.
Adolf Hitler, Khmer Rouge, Stalin, and Mao have killed more people than abortion. But, just give us another 50 years with this horrible stain on our country and those guys will look like chumps.
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I'm not ignoring the previo
April 20, 2007 - 01:28 ET by radiofitz34I'm not ignoring the previous post, but I don't agree with pro-choice at all. All this supreme court decision really means is that women who want to abort will have to decide by the 6th month. I don't think that is unreasonable.
Back in 1973, the medical world was not as advanced as it is now. It does happen that a child in the womb for 6 months can be birthed successfully. I think the US wants out of the full freedom of an eighth month abortion. It's cruel and inhumane treatment to the prosective child. At that point, go for adoption or keep the child.
We've gone way too long without restrictions. Heck the abortionists don't even have any accountability compared with general practice doctors.
How???
April 20, 2007 - 05:27 ET by kiwikitAs someone who was unable to have children due to being a 'modern' '60's professional who followed her doctor's advice for avoiding pregnancy early in my marriage with the usage of a Dalkon Shield, THE tragedy of my life, I'm definitely anti-all-abortion.
What I'd like to know is how a woman explains her nine month pregnancy followed by no baby? Does she brag about killing it. . . or is she ashamed of herself enough to pretend she'd put it up for adoption. Just asking!!!
Pro Choice
April 20, 2007 - 14:52 ET by Conservative VoiceI am pro-choice. Though the choice is made when the pants come down. After that you should follow through with the natural consequences.
Can I abort my debt...that is run up my credit card bills and then say nevermind I don't want to be responsible for it and go to some certified clinic to shred my bills?
I don't think it is asking to
April 20, 2007 - 05:32 ET by mostlymoderateI don't think it is asking too much for a woman to decide by the sixth month to abort or not abort. I don't even like abortion. Period. I don't have a problem with birth-control but abortion just seems wrong to me. Use a condom, use birth control, etc. You play then you are likely to get pregnant--everyone knows this. Yuck yuck yuck!! Late term abortions are particularly disturbing. :-(
Sweet Heaven, man---
April 20, 2007 - 14:56 ET by misterbillSweet Heaven, man---why in Heaven's name would it take a woman that long to figure it out? 6 Months? If she is that stupid, perhaps she should NOT have the right to make decisions about her own body.
Fellow conservatives let's pu
April 20, 2007 - 06:34 ET by Senior ChiefFellow conservatives let's put this into perspective, my suggestion is to use the words "BABY (fetus) KILLER" right advocates instead of abortion right advocates. We've got to call it as we see it, or else we'll fall into the political correctness crap.
Again, abortion = killing babies, period.
Those have always been our words!
April 20, 2007 - 16:44 ET by w0tmThose were the words commonly used prior to about 1960 when abortionists joined hands with the Main Stream Media and the judicial system culminating in Roe v. Wade in 1973.
Compare the protests signs of any BABY KILLER celebration of death with BABY KILLERS on one side of the street and those who believe in the sanctity of life on the other. Oh, sorry, you can't, unless you happen to be there. The MSM ONLY shows their "Pro-Choice" signs, their smiles, their group hugs and their solemn candle lit ceremonies while they all sing something by Joan Baez. We haven't changed our vocabulary one bit. It just isn't permitted on or in the MSM so BABY KILLERS have established new definitions of words and the standards of the battle.
Timothy Leary proclaimed, in 1968, "if we take over the media, the courts and the schools then we will win the revolution! Go back to school and become lawyers, journalists and teachers!" He said this to the rioting mob at the 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago. The one where, supposedly, Mayor Daley stopped the rioting all by himself. Wrong. The words of Timothy Leary stopped it and our country has suffered ever since. Those words became the life's goals of hundreds of thousands of young people who today are, judges, journalists and educators. As sad as it is, what he commanded 40 years ago has become our society today.
Taking advantage of the chaos are the evil ones present in every society who lurk in the shadows ready to steal from the dead at car crashes, rob and pillage in disasters and pass laws to gain total power over others. The first and second are called thieves and the third are demagogues called liberal politicians.