You may want to start paying attention to the real stories. How about, for instance, turning back to the topic of the North American Union. Although some of you on here either don't believe it is happening or if it is, will happen, I hope others will see the light of day.
I found a great interview online with Jerome R. Corsi. He goes into detail the events leading up to the NAU and how it will work. Enjoy
p.s. $100 says Unsane pulls out his "Yes, but the PEOPLE (lol, since when do the people have a say?) won't stand for it!"














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The sun never shines in your
April 18, 2007 - 13:12 ET by AvatarThe sun never shines in your neighborhood, does it? Try getting out of your folks' basement for a few days, and see what's REALLY going on.
The Avatar
Ever heard of spell-checking
April 18, 2007 - 16:28 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveEver heard of spell-checking and capitalization--especially for a title or headline?
The majority of Americans will not accept a NAU. You're worried about nothing.
"I'd rather be bald than to pretend that I'm not!" --Mean Gene Dr. Love on comb-overs.
In fairness, the majority of
April 18, 2007 - 17:07 ET by WhichWingIn fairness, the majority of Americans don't approve of the Iraq war, but that doesn't seem to matter. (Don't mean to debate the war here, there are ongoing threads for that.)
In fairness, the majority of
April 18, 2007 - 17:16 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveIn fairness, the majority of Americans were in favor of the Iraq War until the MSM continued a constant drone of doom and gloom once George Bush landed on the aircraft carrier. Just because a bunch of pansies lost the will and stomach for eliminating oppressive and America-hating barbarians doesn't mean we should turn tail and run. We need to finish the job.
"I'd rather be bald than to pretend that I'm not!" --Mean Gene Dr. Love on comb-overs.
They were in favor of the I
April 18, 2007 - 17:41 ET by WhichWingThey were in favor of the Iraq war while the MSM was still pedaling it and repeating the administration's faulty intelligence. You are quick to fault the media for the country turning against the war, but you forget that it was that same media that touted the war without question.
Your line, "the admini
April 18, 2007 - 19:36 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveYour line, "the administration's faulty intelligence" was a determination made by the MSM...the same idiots that peddled false documents that were derrogatory to Bush's military career because it fit their agenda. The same MSM that won't correct or retract their mistakes and inaccuracies whether intentional or otherwise. Since the media can't turn out stories with thorough research and "accurate intelligence" I will continue to fault the MSM for turning the weak-willed in this country against the war. Just because the media decided to do a 180 doesn't mean the professional intelligence agencies the world over were incorrect or "faulty" as you like to put it.
You blame me for being quick to fault the media...you sir, are equally quick (if not more) at faulting our President's Administration. I am also confident that if this very same thing happened 10 years ago while B.J. Clinton was in office you'd be standing by Clinton's exactly like the entire Left and the MSM were devoted to making the Monica Lewinsky scandal into a Clinton lovefest and circus.
"When life gives you lemons, make lemonade, and then toss it in the face of the person who gave you the lemons until they give you the oranges you asked for in the first place!" --Bill McNeal, NewsRadio episode 3.17
So, you are making the asse
April 18, 2007 - 20:19 ET by WhichWingSo, you are making the assertion that the intelligence the administration used to justify the war was correct? You really should stop using the media as a scapegoat. It's counterproductive. We've heard about the 33 dead in Virginia for 3 days on all networks and in all the newspapers, and rightly so, but when a dozen troops are killed on a daily basis, they barely get a mention. Is that the left wing media you talk about?? Is the media giving us incorrect information? Or, are they just reporting the facts and that in turn makes the war look bad? Just because the news reflects badly on your point of view does not mean its biased, it means its the truth and you don't want to hear it. The so called "left wing media" dutifully reported that the president wanted a troop "surge." Anyone can see this was a troop "increase." Quit hiding from the truth by shouting "bias!"
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)
WhichWing,You really ought to
April 18, 2007 - 20:25 ET by BlondeWhichWing,
You really ought to stop breathing. It is a waste of my time.
Makes the war "look bad"?
If you idiots on the left would shut up for five minutes, the men and women on the ground in Iraq could WIN the war.
If you'd all shut up, and quit whining about Abu Ghraib, Rules of Engagement, kissing the ass of the enemy, et. al.
You are a disgusting defeatist.
As the troops say, "Embrace the Suck". Except in your case, it has an entirely different meaning.
That is quite possibly the
April 18, 2007 - 23:40 ET by WhichWingThat is quite possibly the most pathetic post I've ever seen. "You really ought to stop breathing." Very nice. And you think critics are what's preventing victory? If it were only that easy. And a stable of the war mongers, I'm a defeatist. Make a case or go suck your thumb. I've grown very tired of posts like yours. You have nothing to offer to the discussion so you attack the person and their patriotism. Get over yourself.
"If you idiots on the left would shut up for five minutes, the men and women on the ground in Iraq could WIN the war."
PATHETIC. If the men and women can't handle people on the left, as you say, then how do you expect them to handle terrorists? Don't forget that the military is made up of people from all political persuasions. Are you implying that they are preventing their comrades from winning this war? I'm embarrassed for you.
Good at arguing, but
April 18, 2007 - 23:50 ET by misterbillbut - I doubt you would be good at fighting. The timidity of the Republicans and the Prez has held us back from a more decisive victory in Iraq. Pandering to the those who oppose the war has resulted in holding back on what has been needed to win the war. My God, whichwing, I wish I were President. I would welcome the hate and derision of someone like you. I , in opposition to many on this site, would have reinstated the draft. I would take wet-behind -the -ears pups like you and teach you how to be a man. You would learn the history of this country and you would learn to fight for her. If the President had the fortitude to spit in the face of those who opposed him, he and we would be in much better shape than we are now. And if you know anything about history, you will know that what is happening today in Iraq is a form of guerrilla fighting-the hardest fight to win. So put your pretty pink ear on your pillow and go to sleep. Wake tomorrow and post some more uninformed data here while the good guys, our troops, fight the good fight for us!
Actually, wasn't it this
April 19, 2007 - 00:47 ET by WhichWingActually, wasn't it this administration that decided to go in with such a small force? We defended Kuwait with 500,000 but invaded Iraq with 100,000? Your fearless leaders made that decision, against the recommendations of their generals. They have pandered to no one. In fact, they listened to no one, let alone pandered. They went with a small force, insisting we would be greeted as liberators and it wouldn't take 6 weeks to accomplish their mission. You cheered 'em all the way. Now you sit back and point the finger at everyone else. Like it or not, the liberals have not been running this war. They have not hindered it. They have criticized it. If you thinking pointing at the left is going to solve your problems, then you sir, are ten times the fool you paint me to be. It was the people you so fervently defend that put our troops into this mess without enough armor and troops. In an attempt to look like he was willing to listen, the president set up the "Iraq Study Group," then he tossed it aside. That man has taken the advice of no one, and has spit in the face of many. He despises open debate, instead choosing to hurl insults at anyone that questions his strategy.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)
Aren't you being stupid? Ho
April 19, 2007 - 01:39 ET by NL207Aren't you being stupid? How long did the short force of 138,000 take to totally defeat Iraq's remaining armed forces? About 2 weeks?
The Iraqi military wasn't in the same condition in 1991 as it was in 2003. Why would you expect the same force to be necessary to overcome it on both occassions?
Why do you give any credence at all to idiots who think the two situations were militarily equivalent?
You don't see a need for mo
April 19, 2007 - 06:01 ET by WhichWingYou don't see a need for more troops when invading and attempting to secure a country, as opposed to defending a country? Kuwait has a population of less than 3 million people, and they wanted us there. Iraq has over 26 million people, and most of them don't want us there. So it took 2 weeks to defeat what was left of the Iraqi military. Maybe a few more were needed for the 4+ years that followed. Who's being stupid now? Those idiots you referred to, the ones that think the situations were militarily equivalent, were they Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld?
Why do you insist on taking o
April 19, 2007 - 10:44 ET by UnsaneWhy do you insist on taking on matters of which you know nothing?
What, should the United States Air Force have brought back the Aardvark for the 2003 invasion of Iraq? I mean, we DID have it in 1991 and used it in Desert Storm!
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
...BTW the American people st
April 19, 2007 - 10:52 ET by TruthMonger...BTW the American people still overwhelming support the war on terror - they just vehemently dissapprove of the way the left is f/*king it all up:)...
Enlighten us all WarMonger,
April 19, 2007 - 15:19 ET by WhichWingEnlighten us all WarMonger, how is the left "f/*king it all up?" And just so you know, we were specifically talking about the War in Iraq. But I guess going on about the war on terror was a good way to avoid the point being made.
Both the same war, bonehead..
April 19, 2007 - 15:26 ET by TruthMongerBoth the same war, bonehead...and I know, I know - you refuse to admit it...
So are you trying to suggest that the left is actually 100% behind the WOT and it's the Repubs dragging our feet...?
Please try to make your case - we could use another good laugh at your expense...
NO NO NO. You claim "
April 19, 2007 - 15:44 ET by WhichWingNO NO NO. You claim "the left is f/*cking it all up." Justify your statement.
Two words, dumbass, Pelosi
April 25, 2007 - 08:14 ET by MightyMouthTwo words dumbass: Pelosi and Reid!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Check your spelling, I thin
April 25, 2007 - 17:25 ET by WhichWingCheck your spelling, I think it's Bush and Cheney, "dumbass."
Yes my mistake. The spellin
May 2, 2007 - 15:27 ET by MightyMouthYes my mistake. The spelling should be "Which Wing".
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
how is the left "f/*king it all up?"
April 19, 2007 - 15:42 ET by misterbillhow is the left "f/*king it all up?" Why just look at your rants and challenges each day. I know you won't agree, but trying to view the threads as neutral as I can be, it seems to me that you have been presented with facts and pointers that blow your arguments (most of them) out of the water. I have been around a long time. I have had my hardheaded moments when I would not let the facts deter me from my position. I honestly do not believe I was ever so blind as you seem to be. I do not mean this as an ad hominem attack. It is an opinion I came to after reading a number of threads in which you have been heavily involved.
There are (TO ME) two kinds of leftists, haters and naifs. The naifs are decent people. They want the world to be a beautiful peaceful place. Well, so do a lot of conservatives and armed forces. It is idealistic. I believe you may be one of these. Many people die to protect these naifs. They go blithely on their way, never looking behind them to see the rack and ruin and the brave people who have fought so that they can live in Wonderland. Sometimes they perceive those who fight for them to be barbarians, warmongers. I say to you this day, you have something that other people want. They will come and take it away from you unless the realists among us recognize the evil and try to stem it before it gets fully grown.
That, young sir, is how the left is $%*(* ing it up. They challenge those who are protecting us, they insult them, they second guess them and they pray for a major negative happening so they can rise up on their hind legs and crow. "See, we were right." Well, In my opinion you are wrong and if you win, then the enemy will win and you will be dead wrong!
How has the left prevented
April 19, 2007 - 15:48 ET by WhichWingHow has the left prevented you from completing your objective? They haven't. If you can't take a some constructive criticism, how do you profess to win a "global war on terror." You can't handle people from the other side of the political aisle, but swear up and down you can defeat the terrorists. You should probably stretch before you do all that finger pointing, you could strain something.
For Heaven's sake man
April 19, 2007 - 15:58 ET by misterbillFor Heaven's sake man, didnt you read any of the arguments presented to you. How--last time then I am done--the MSM and the view they show to the world. The Democratic politicians showing the world the dissension in America, based on their power grab and not what is good to close out the war we have already won. Their messing with the war budget, the unaauthorized troips to visit our enemies.
Goodbye, good luck.
No Louie, this is not the beginning of a long friendship!
The left isn't helping. Th
May 3, 2007 - 04:14 ET by Andrew H.The left isn't helping. The left do have a habit of helping the country's enemies. The media foments anti-war (anti-defense) sentiments and their pols declare the war is lost.
It's happened before and it's happening again.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
Wow... you have no credibility on this
April 19, 2007 - 11:17 ET by Mr. BishopFor crying out loud... you act even more stupid, every time you try and dig yourself out of this.
We do NOT need more troops when invading and securing a country -- you need only to remove the enemy, something extreme numbers will not accomplish when the enemy does not wear uniforms and does not fight you. We did NOT defend Kuwait, we invaded Kuwait and removed the Iraqi presence there. The numbers used were extreme overkill, but it was made by the commanders at the time. Iraqi people do NOT oppose us there. You think that because you read in a survey, where only a handful of people who answer are against the US presence, that suddenly, you think they don't want us there? Those polls are taken in the same manner that a poll in San Francisco would be taken, asking about Bush. The media drives those polls, by asking Sunni areas, who are a massive minority in that country. The vast majority of Iraq is Kurdish and Shia, of which a majority of them support our presence at this time. I've seen it, I know.
Just sit down before you hurt yourself.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
The fact remains that nearl
April 19, 2007 - 15:16 ET by WhichWingThe fact remains that nearly 500,000 troops were used to secure a country of less than 3 million people, while just over 125,000 were sent into a country of 26 million. Even if 75% of Iraq wants us there, that still leaves more than the entire nation of Kuwait that don't. This is an irrefutable point. If the force that was sent in to Iraq was sufficient, then why the "surge?" Why has this war continued for more than 4 years? Why did 230 people die Wednesday alone? There isn't security in that country. Your small force was not enough. But instead of seeing the truth, you think blaming the left will make it all better. Get your head out of the sand, or somewhere else that rhymes with mass.
Bad numbers
April 19, 2007 - 15:30 ET by Mr. BishopTo begin with, your 75% number must be an extremely low hypothetical number because it's much more then 75%. In either case -- who cares if there are more people who don't want us there, then exist in the entire country of Kuwait? What does that matter? That's more people then in the state of Wisconsin, but does that matter either? No, it doesn't, so why even try and point that out?
The "surge" you speak of, is political pandering. It's completely not necessary, but was done as a way to satisify the Democrats who, before the last election, were saying that more troops were necessary. Did you, or did you not, pay attention to the debates last year prior to the elections? Democrats were crying that more troops were necessary, they got their wish, and now you want to cry about it again, the opposite way? Get over it and stick to your original words.
Secondly, this war has not continued for more then 4 years. The war was over the moment that Saddam Hussein was removed from power. If you want to go with the moment he was captured, fine -- we can go that route also. Either way, it's a far cry from 4 years. What has gone on for 4 years, has been the stabilization of Iraq, for power hand over to the Iraqi government. Would we all like it to go faster? Yes. Can it go faster? Perhaps. However, rushing it, will only get you undesired results that liberals will then come back and blame Bush on. You people are the ones who were complaining when we prepared to go into Iraq in 2003, that George HW Bush never finished the job, he got out too soon -- make up your minds. Out too soon, not in long enough. What, may I ask, is the perfect time frame of a war for you?
Third: Who cares about 230 people dying Wednesday alone. In World War II, almost 3000 people died in one training accident in preparation for D-Day -- a training accident! What would you people have done with instant news then? Claimed the war was too difficult and that we should surrender now, and give in to Germany and Japan?
Your problem, is that you can't look beyond your own talking points assigned to you. You think that because you can sit behind your computer screen, watching a movie that has a war or battle over and done with, in less then 2 hours, anything that takes longer then that, is going badly. You talk about securing a country, like they just need to deadbolt the front door to keep out the bad people, and it's not. You think you know what you're talking about? Think again, and instead of telling me to see the truth, actually try seeking it for a change, instead of trying to use talking points to argue with me. Talking points will never win an argument with me because they show you have no thought process for information, just a replay button on your fingers from what your eyes see, and your ears hear.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Define victory and you might
April 19, 2007 - 15:33 ET byDefine victory and you might have a leg to stand on.
Victory in WW2 was easily defined and clear cut. Not the case in Iraq.
For all you pro-war buffs, define victory with some degree of detail. I mean, it wouldn't make sense for you to support a war where you didn't even understand the overall goals right?
Victory is when whining bit
April 19, 2007 - 15:45 ET by MightyMouthVictory is when whining little bitches stop their whining. So, I guess you're right, we never will have victory.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Bull
April 19, 2007 - 15:48 ET by Mr. BishopVictory is easy to define: a success or triumph over an enemy in battle or war.
Note, it does not mention anywhere about withdrawal. You keep backpedaling, it makes me laugh.
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Two things you failed to no
April 19, 2007 - 15:53 ET by WhichWingTwo things you failed to notice yourself. First, that was Syg's first post on the subject, so I don't see how it could be considered backpedaling. Second, Syg asked you to "define victory with some degree of detail." I don't think "a success or triumph over an enemy in battle or war" constitutes detail. Does that make you laugh too?
Uh-huh
April 19, 2007 - 15:59 ET by Mr. BishopLevel of detail? That is a level of detail. Is your definition of victory running away? That sounds like the definition of surrender to me. Do I need to go into detail greater as to what victory is? No, and the reason why is because victory is victory. There is no reason to redefine it to fit one's own agenda, such as yours. Instead of trying to redefine words -- understand, there is a victory of Iraq, and for the most part, it has already been achieved. There is only one thing left, and that is for the Iraqi government to step up and say, "Yep, we can take care of ourselves now." Anyone who thinks that victory is achieved through withdrawal needs to look up the definition of retreat and surrender.
If you want to see the backpedaling, instead of coming in halfway, thinking you know what you're talking about (which, clearly you do not), actually go through all the posts.
In truth, the only thing that makes me laugh so far today, has been both your, and Syg's, inability to grasp historical context, as well as the reality of the situation(s) that are in Iraq currently.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Victory in WW2 was easi
April 19, 2007 - 15:52 ET by Dave RVictory in WW2 was easily defined and clear cut. Not the case in Iraq.
Victory is when the 7th Century illiterate barbarian horde has been rendered impotent as a threat to Western Civilation and are no longer capable of waging war against it.
This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.-
Neal Boortz.
"What has gone on for
April 19, 2007 - 15:41 ET by WhichWing"What has gone on for 4 years, has been the stabilization of Iraq, for power hand over to the Iraqi government."
You get funnier with every post. Or maybe that was just a typo, did you mean DE-stabilization? What do you make of the Iraqi government officials stepping down because of the refusal to set a timetable for the withdrawal of US troops?
Noooooooooo...
April 19, 2007 - 15:51 ET by Mr. BishopTry reading again, and this time, instead of trying to insert your liberal bias into everything someone writes, actually read it as it was written. The stabilization of Iraq has occurred over the past 4-years. There is a government in place, there is a court system in place, a military structure that is being trained, police organizations that are being trained, educational facilities, structural rebuilding... on and on and on. Does your mother have to wipe your nose too?
What do I make of Iraqi government officials stepping down? I don't know, what do you make of Joe Lieberman not being satisfied with the Democrats in Congress and running Independent? Do you think I care about 1 or 2 people not satisified? Only a liberal, such as yourself, thinks he can please everyone.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
That's funny, coming from som
April 19, 2007 - 15:55 ET by WhichWingThat's funny, coming from someone who constantly complains that the left isn't happy and that's preventing us from winning in Iraq.
Even more funny...
April 19, 2007 - 16:08 ET by Mr. BishopYou know what's even more funny? You can't find anywhere on this website that shows me saying anything remotely close to that.
When will you just learn to keep your mouth shut?
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Mr. Bishop, can you please pr
April 19, 2007 - 15:42 ET by mandrakeMr. Bishop, can you please provide a link or reference to the single accident in which 3000 died in preparation for D-day? It seems to me I should have heard about it...some General's head should have rolled.
Will see
April 19, 2007 - 15:45 ET by Mr. BishopI'll see if I can find it... I read it in a book, actually, when I was doing a research paper for school on the number of people killed in Iraq to date.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
To further expand my previous post whichwing
April 19, 2007 - 15:51 ET by misterbillIf the force that was sent in to Iraq was sufficient, then why the "surge?" That question shows, again, that you are looking at things in italics with the slant to the left. When we first went into Iraq , was Iran manufacturing weapons for the Iraqi terrorists. How many of the terrorists are Irani, Afghani? Was the Snni faction as heavily armed as today? Why did 230 people die Wednesday alone? One reason, is because the American pres wa s able to report that to you. Do you honestly believe ther was no day that Saddam's trop did not kill 230 people. The Sunnis ruled with an iron hand, torture , threats to family members. You are indeed a naif who asks questions that have easy answers. I know you are not a lawyer or a law student. How??? Because you kep asking questions you do not know the answers to. Do your omework, read more, you may be able to present stronger arguments.
I do not believe I will be engaging in discourse with you anymore. Thanks for stopping by. Don't let the door...................!
I am very happy to see you
April 19, 2007 - 15:59 ET by WhichWingI am very happy to see you waive the white flag. All your statements point to what I said before, a larger force was necessary. Own up to it. THE LEFT IS NOT AT FAULT HERE. I know that just kills you, buts its true.
I am violating my own decision,but
April 19, 2007 - 16:09 ET by misterbillI am violating my own decision,but I am not waving a white flag, but I would much rather do that than to wear the yellow on your spine!
Actually, I can lay quite a b
April 20, 2007 - 11:48 ET by UnsaneActually, I can lay quite a bit of the blame on the Left. Constant whining about how we are "torturing" people, whining about how we "de-stabilized Iraq" (never mind we took out a dictator, but then, he was a Left-leaning dictator, and Nothing Bad Ever Happens On The Left), and otherwise providing as much comfort to the enemy as humanly possible...those are some of the offenses.
Hell, WhichWhine, I can point out other posts where you make your caring and worrying for America's adversaries quite plain!
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Hell yes, Bush was right to t
April 19, 2007 - 10:40 ET by UnsaneHell yes, Bush was right to toss aside the Israel Surrender Group report! Tell me something, what would Israel surrendering the Golan Heights to Syria accomplish in Iraq? (That provision was to be found in that report you so adore.)
Oh yeah, I forgot. It would make WhichWing FEEL good.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
I knew Unsane would come ar
April 19, 2007 - 15:35 ET by WhichWingI knew Unsane would come around sooner or later, he's a glutton for punishment. He saw the whooping taking place in this thread and felt the need to come change the subject. Good for you little buddy.
I changed nothing. You brou
April 20, 2007 - 11:50 ET by UnsaneI changed nothing. You brought up the report in the post I responded to.
Are you a masochist? Do you like beating yourself up and making yourself look stupid?
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Oh yeah, I forgot. It
April 19, 2007 - 15:45 ET by Dave ROh yeah, I forgot. It would make WhichWing FEEL good.
Not half as good as many of our anti-semitic friends on the left will feel when that insane Persian nut-ball has incinerated Tel-Aviv.
And don't tell me that many libs in this world would not like to see that happen.
This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.-
Neal Boortz.
You cheered 'em all the way.
April 19, 2007 - 10:50 ET by misterbillYou cheered 'em all the way. Yes, I did! I still am! I iterate--fighting guerrilla style enemies is the toughest fight of all. If, in this country a group of people got together and deided to wage war, bomb and snipe people, it would be a slow fight to find and defeat them. For God's sake man--look how long it took us to find the two shooters in Virginia. Just imagine if they were using C4 explosives.
Instead of posting your inexperienced thoughts here, you should ask BD, Unsane and quite a few others with experience to explain to you the incredibly difficult logistics of finding, fighting and conquering a band of people who look exactly like the friendlies.
Where ’s the coward that would not dare to fight for such a land?
Sir Walter Scott
Unabomber
April 19, 2007 - 11:03 ET by Mr. BishopLook how long it took us to find the Unabomber... over 20 years -- and that was one man.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
Wrong
April 19, 2007 - 11:02 ET by Mr. BishopTry again WW. "Bush's decision" to put 100,000 troops into Iraq was made by the leadership on the ground. It was their decision to place that many, as it was their battle plan. In Kuwait, the decision was made by Powell. Powell was trained extensively as an Armor commander, as such, his philosophy in wartime was that greater numbers, achieved victory. Tommy Franks, who made the decision on the battle plan concerning Iraq, was trained, initially as Artillery, and later as Infantry. Their battle plan is not massive numbers, but massive strategy. Powell and Shinseki (the liberals' favorite two heads), are both trained Armor, and know little about Infantry tactics. Now, taking that into consideration (and ignoring the fact that Shinseki was one of the worst Chiefs of the Army ever), the battle for Iraq was over very quickly. We entered Baghdad, removed Saddam Hussein from power, and have been there since. At this point, massive numbers in Iraq do us no good. The enemy is non-uniformed, and hiding in the open as such. Putting a dozen guys in a half-block area, will do you no good, if you do not know who your enemy is. Only the thick-headed would think this. The Geneva Conventions protects children and unarmed civilians from being shot and killed. If any of those two pick up a weapon, they lose their status of protection from the Geneva Conventions. There is a problem with this -- the deaths that are occurring in Iraq, are not from AK-47's. The deaths that are occurring are from IED's remotely detonated with cell phones mostly. Since a cell phone is not a weapon under the Geneva Conventions, any child, woman, or man with a cell phone is a very potential terrorist, with no way to take them out of the equation whatsoever.
If you want to talk strategy, we can do that, and believe me, I would have a blast, and openly welcome your attempt to do so. However, the terrorists in Iraq right now have the superior strategy: Turn US public opinion against the war, all the while, killing our men and women with cell phones, non-weapons under the Geneva Conventions. You fools play along, right into their hands, like sheep heading over a cliff because you think you know their minds. News flash for you: They don't give a damn if you're nice to them, they just don't care.
The general population of Iraq, a large majority of them, support the US troops. I know... I saw it. What you read about, is the vast minority of Iraqi people who don't want us there. The terrorists that reside in Iraq, for the most part, are non-Iraqi people. They are imports who are fighting against all people there, American, British, even Iraqis. They kill indiscriminately at will, and if we backed off them, their ability to strike the US would be greatly increased.
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I raised this question alre
April 19, 2007 - 15:25 ET by WhichWingI raised this question already, but I'll do it again, just for you. If what you say is true, then why was the "surge" necessary? You know why it was necessary, but its easier to point the finger somewhere else.
Are you retarded?
April 19, 2007 - 15:53 ET by Mr. BishopI already answered that for you. Try reading again, this time... do it not only with your eyes open, but read every word, not every other word.
I said, plain as day, it was NOT necessary. I said, plain as day, it was political pandering to the Democrats, who demanded more troops prior to the election.
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That doesn't match MisterBi
April 19, 2007 - 16:01 ET by WhichWingThat doesn't match MisterBill's answer: "If the force that was sent in to Iraq was sufficient, then why the "surge?"
That question shows, again, that you are looking at things in italics
with the slant to the left. When we first went into Iraq , was Iran
manufacturing weapons for the Iraqi terrorists. How many of the
terrorists are Irani, Afghani? Was the Snni faction as heavily armed as
today?"
You know...
April 19, 2007 - 16:06 ET by Mr. BishopThat's funny because I could have sworn that misterbill was a completely seperate person then I am. Huh... go figure. For someone who has trouble reading, you're sure making a bigger jackass of yourself every second.
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mr bishop
April 19, 2007 - 16:16 ET by misterbillthis miscreant is all yours. I do not wish to exchange anything with him. He is here to provoke and then pulls the old loser's tricks out of the bag.
i.e. Show me where it says that., etc.
Have fun! PS if you blow him any farther out of the water, he will wind up in Death Valley.
Nah
April 19, 2007 - 17:02 ET by Mr. BishopI have to take off for awhile. My kids are home from school now, and I have to make sure my daughter does her homework and spelling words.
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I thought I made it clear b
April 19, 2007 - 17:17 ET by WhichWingI thought I made it clear by saying MisterBill's name in the first sentence that I was aware he was another person. I was pointing out all the bobbing and weaving going on. You all throw out answers from all directions and hope something sticks.
And?
April 19, 2007 - 17:27 ET by Mr. BishopThen why are you asking me about what he had to say? What he says, is his business genius, none of mine. His opinions can differ from me, as much as yours obviously differ from mine.
Since my answers have not changed, and since you cannot show me anything wherein they have, you're viewed now, just as you were before: someone who doesn't know a damned thing, and thinks he does. You have listed me as saying things, that I haven't, and expected that my answers should coincide with someone else's.
Try again nut job. The ONLY person around her throwing out statements hoping something sticks, has been you. I can show you on every single occassion you made that mistake with me.
Bottom line, stop trying to get in a pissing match with me. You have lost this argument, and you have lost every argument you have attempted to have with me so far today. Shut your mouth like a good kid, and sit down while your mom puts the helmet back on.
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Now that I read this again,
April 22, 2007 - 17:46 ET by WhichWingNow that I read this again, your latest attempt to point fingers elsewhere, it looks incorrect to me. I only recall one democrat calling for more troops before the elections. Can you cite more than one doing such a thing?
I thought the post ("you
May 2, 2007 - 20:47 ET by ThisnThatI thought the post ("you really ought to stop breathing") was quite funny, in fact. Where's your sense of humor?
If you think that the MSM c
April 18, 2007 - 21:07 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveIf you think that the MSM can produce more complete and credible intelligence than the CIA, FBI, the U.S. Military, Scotland Yard, the FSB, the Mossad, the Kor Risik DiRaja, France, Germany, Dairat al-Mukhabarat al-Ammah, etc, etc, etc. then you are a true idiot.
All of the listed intelligence agencies information showed that Saddam Hussein was trying to keep a WMD program alive and ready to use. Don't be so daft...the MSM doesn't have the time, resources, expertise, protection, or equipment to garner intelligence like the listed agencies do. You can't honestly be that ignorant.
"When life gives you lemons, make lemonade, and then toss it in the face of the person who gave you the lemons until they give you the oranges you asked for in the first place!" --Bill McNeal, NewsRadio episode 3.17
Point me to the aforementio
April 18, 2007 - 23:42 ET by WhichWingPoint me to the aforementioned intelligence.
If you have done your resea
April 18, 2007 - 23:58 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveIf you have done your research on all sides of this issue as you have alluded to in other posts and threads, then you would have already read the intelligence information that has been released. Find it yourself. You wouldn't value anything I could provide for you anyway.
I think you just exposed yourself as a parrot of Leftist talking points.
"When life gives you lemons, make lemonade, and then toss it in the face of the person who gave you the lemons until they give you the oranges you asked for in the first place!" --Bill McNeal, NewsRadio episode 3.17
Nice defense ahead of time
April 19, 2007 - 01:00 ET by WhichWingNice defense ahead of time you got there, "You wouldn't value anything I could provide for you anyway." Provide something indisputable and I'll have no choice but to value it. Make your case, I'm not making it for you.
Maybe this will help, the "Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence on the U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq" found at http://www.gpoaccess...
Or a wikipedia entry on the subject (I do not hold wikipedia up to be the whole truth and nothing but the truth, but it does provide a synopsis of the report.)
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)
"Provide something indis
April 19, 2007 - 10:56 ET by Mean Gene Dr. Love"Provide something indisputable and I'll have no choice but to value it."
The problem with that is no matter what has been presented to you by anyone on the right--no matter how true or "indisputable" it is, you find a way to dispute it...in other words, you do have a choice but, you choose to dispute. I am not saying I (or any other conservative) is always correct but, conservatives certainly aren't always wrong.
I understand that intelligence agencies are not 100% correct. However, with the amassed knowledge gathered and analyzed prior to the Iraq war, the free world all agreed on the threats Saddam posed not only to his neighbors, but to his own people, and by extension, the U.S.. To me, the U.S. "Intelligence Community's Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq" reads like an official CYA document driven by politics in an effort for Congressmen and other officials to wash their hands of the war because of "buyer's remorse" and declining public opinion. In other words, they're worried about their own re-elections rather than the security of the country and the freedom of the Iraqi people.
"When life gives you lemons, make lemonade, and then toss it in the face of the person who gave you the lemons until they give you the oranges you asked for in the first place!" --Bill McNeal, NewsRadio episode 3.17
So there we have it, you ca
April 19, 2007 - 15:27 ET by WhichWingSo there we have it, you can point us to no credible pre-war intelligence. What a shame.
you can point us to no
April 19, 2007 - 15:36 ET by Dave Ryou can point us to no credible pre-war intelligence.
As I recall, the dems, prior to the 2000 election, were all seeing as well as citing the same intelligence data the Bush people were seeing, and most were saying exacltly the same thing.
That's right, WW, history actually does pre-date January of 2000, as much of a schock as that may be to many of you on the left.
This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.-
Neal Boortz.
Try this for pre-war intellig
April 19, 2007 - 16:17 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveTry this for pre-war intelligence:
The requirements enumerated in UNSR #1441 stipulated how Saddam was to comply with his disarmament obligations.
Resolution 1441 specifically stated:
We didn't need any other information to justify the Iraq war. All other intelligence information was gravy.
Saddam did have WMD before the war. You can also read about where the WMDs "disappeared" to here.
As I said before, if you claim to have investigated all sides, you would've already known about this credible and "indisputable" evidence I reluctantly produced for you.
"When life gives you lemons, make lemonade, and then toss it in the face of the person who gave you the lemons until they give you the oranges you asked for in the first place!" --Bill McNeal, NewsRadio episode 3.17
Mean gene - logistics question
April 19, 2007 - 16:29 ET by misterbillMean gene - logistics question---can you devise a plan whereby we only defend Americans who support the war? I'm an old guy and if I have to fight I don't want to fight for fools like WW and Sigmoidoscopy. read your link on the Russian movement of the WMDs. It answered questions I had from the start, before the war. Blix, I felt was totally incompetent, to the point that I question his involvement. I wish someone would do some digging in to his financial records to see how well he has done financially since heading up the WMD search group.
As for your logistics query,
April 19, 2007 - 16:47 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveAs for your logistics query, I think it is probably impossible. The citizens against the war that wish to see our country fail helps to concentrate my resolve to do my part in helping our nation succeed.
It is suspicious that Kofi "UN-Scandals" Annan called Mr. Blix out of retirement to head the investigation. Two reasons you call someone out of retirement for anything: #1 Nobody else is capable of accomplishing the task or #2 He's a buddy of yours. I find it highly doubtful that Blix was the only person qualified for the task. There are numerous reasons you hire a buddy...one of them is to achieve a desired outcome...another is to cover something up. I have always questioned Blix's involvement and integrity (as well as Annan's integrity). I think the investigation probably gave an itinerary of when they were going to visit a site for inspection rather than just showing up at the door. If that is true it goes a long way in explaining how WMDs disappeared causing Blix to not find anything substantial.
"When life gives you lemons, make lemonade, and then toss it in the face of the person who gave you the lemons until they give you the oranges you asked for in the first place!" --Bill McNeal, NewsRadio episode 3.17
Kofi was (is) clearly dishonest.
April 19, 2007 - 16:54 ET by misterbillKofi was (is) clearly dishonest. I have always believed that the Saddamites (pronounce it any way you like) were told in advance when and where Blix et al were heading. To sound as obstinate as some of our challengers on this site, I am positive there were WMDs. Always was.
Me too misterb....as I have s
April 19, 2007 - 16:56 ET by bigtimerMe too misterb....as I have stated numerous times since being here.
Further into that same Wiki
April 19, 2007 - 17:02 ET by WhichWingFurther into that same Wikipedia entry is this:
I said in a previous post, and I'll say it again, you can't tout the UN in one instance and then toss them aside in the next.
I have no shame in saying that I give no credence to your newsmax.com link.