Earlier this morning the U.S. Supreme Court upheld a federal ban on partial-birth abortion. What's more, Justice Anthony Kennedy, whom many in the media often focus on as the "moderate" and "swing" justice on the Court, penned the majority opinion. While the mass murder at Virginia Tech is still the top story in the media, Fox News found room to give this landmark ruling prime real estate on its Web site. CNN, however, relegated the story to a link nine entries deep into its "latest news" list.
The screenshots I've included in this post are taken from Fox News and CNN's Web sites from around 11:30 a.m.





















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So does this mean that NARAL
April 18, 2007 - 11:04 ET by dscottSo does this mean that NARAL and NOW have sour grapes to chew to go with those sour looks? Score one for the defenseless, it's long overdue that the hedonists were denied their desires.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Ken,I too flipped the channel
April 18, 2007 - 11:05 ET by bigtimerKen,
I too flipped the channels around to see if anyone was else was going to cover the great news, seems they just couldn't find the time to put it in anywhere, I haven't checked back lately, I am in the middle of some work, but needless to say you can be sure if the decision was the opposite, they would of found time to report it that...with glee!
I am so happy about this decision, it is about time, I also am so glad O'Connor is gone.
Hallelujah
if only we could see
April 18, 2007 - 11:08 ET by tumbler_2007Today's a day when I'd love to see the expressions on faces like Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer. Just to name a few.
At last! The modern day Mayan Priests have been stopped!
April 18, 2007 - 11:12 ET by RJAt last! At last! At last! The barbaric partial birth procedure, similar to Mayan Priests murdering living victims by tearing out their hearts, has been stopped! (Yes, I know it can be challenged, but this is a start)
Fox News dipped in with a Meg
April 18, 2007 - 11:13 ET by Ken ShepherdFox News dipped in with a Megan Kelly report. I'm not sure if CNN has done anything. I'm sure CNN's broadcasts will give it bigger play a little later, but I'm not holding my breath for the Web site to see this as a major news story.
Ken,I found this earlier from
April 18, 2007 - 11:21 ET by bigtimerKen,
I found this earlier from google news site from CNN....http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/18/scotus.abortion/
Just thought I would throw it in here...Ruth baby is angry!
Too bad so sad...and to think her and O'Connor had children, carried children within, it is impossible for me to understand other women supporting this...always will be, it is horrendous.
BT-- good news --but--
April 18, 2007 - 11:34 ET by misterbillBT-- good news --but--the fact that it was 5-4 shows that the Supreme Court is a mockery. SCOTUS, time and time again has shown us that in spite of the literacy and intelligence of those who serve on it, they have those who are heartless and unfeeling. The rules regarding life tenures should be modified. The 4 who voted against the ban condone murder and tried to legalize it, They should be ashamed. We need to change the lifetime rule of tenure.
hey, look out ! HE'S RIGHT !
April 18, 2007 - 12:19 ET by tumbler_2007Have to agree with you here, billy. You nail it well.
One more jellicious aspect to this Court decision:
What is it going to mean for Bubba's "legacy"--? The rat vetoed a congressionally carried BAN on that atrocity; against the expressed will of the America people. His legacy is now held up to the light once more. (I hope the murderer steps on a rusty nail today, after seeing these news reports.)
BT, the author of that CNN piece said there is now a "conservati
April 18, 2007 - 11:48 ET by RJIn a display of stupidity or hypocricy - take your pick - the author of the CNN piece says the court now has a "solid conservative majority." Yeah, Kennedy is "conservative", alright. Nice example of our MSM at work....rewriting the facts.....
RJ,It's amazing to me that
April 18, 2007 - 14:19 ET by steviep831RJ,
It's amazing to me that a conservative majority is frowned upon, while a liberal majority is a-ok! What a bunch of hacks. It also saddens me to see so many people disagreeing with this decision. Do they even know how a partial birth abortion is done? I would challenge anyone to watch how it's performed and them say they still agree it's an acceptable practice.
BT - this news has made my
April 18, 2007 - 11:15 ET by Dee BunkBT - this news has made my day. I hope that they uphold more restrictions like Parental notification. Did you hear about that state that was going to require women to see a picture of the ultrasound before they had an abortion? I think that is a great idea and what can be the harm in it? I don't know what happened with it or if it passed.
Good morning Dee,I have heard
April 18, 2007 - 11:25 ET by bigtimerGood morning Dee,
I have heard about this too that you are talking about, wasn't Texas on of the states? I haven't heard either what has become of this no matter where the state is...let me know if you do...I am always interested in this....always.
I personally feel it should be required in all states as long as they are going to have Roe vs. Wade, this too should be made required, just my opinion.
BT - I know I used to be p
April 18, 2007 - 11:56 ET by Dee BunkBT - I know I used to be pro-choice until I saw my ultrasound. I was brainwashed by the pro-choice movement. I really can't see how anyone could object to showing the ultrasound but of course the pro-choice people do. They are perfectly happy with people making an uninformed choice because, like I've said before, it's about population control and economics not women's bodies and privacy.
Parential notification, I agr
April 18, 2007 - 11:29 ET by dscottParential notification, I agree, definitely the next step to reign in on the child rapist/molesters who impregnant children and then dispose of the evidence with the complicit support of Planned Parenthood. It's long overdue to kick the government and liberal meddlers out of the child raising business.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
dscott - so true. I say th
April 18, 2007 - 12:08 ET by Dee Bunkdscott - so true. I say this to people all the time. Liberals like to bring up rape and incest as reasons for abortion. I say that rape and inscest will happen more often when the evidence is destroyed. If there is no abortion, DNA can positively identify the rapist and if parents find out they can put a stop to the molestation.
This is soooo coool!!Save a S
April 18, 2007 - 11:12 ET by bassndudeThis is soooo coool!!
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
When do we take down Roe vs W
April 18, 2007 - 11:18 ET by Airforce_5_OWhen do we take down Roe vs Wade?
Now would be a good time.
Reduce the U.S. Carbon Footprint. Send Rosie to Iran. Airforce_5_O 04/04/2007
Maybe Ginsberg is mad enough
April 18, 2007 - 11:29 ET by iveseenitallMaybe Ginsberg is mad enough to resign. Wouldn't that be something! She's smart. She can go back to school and get an MD, so she can kill babies herself. I wonder if she'd enjoy that.
BTW, I read where many young doctors in England are refusing to perform abortions on "moral" grounds. Too bad our leftys don't have any moral courage.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
ginsberg
April 18, 2007 - 11:36 ET by misterbillShe is a disgusting monster!
Agreed. Morals need to be t
April 18, 2007 - 12:58 ET by Airforce_5_OAgreed. Morals need to be taught to our young people but the ACLU would object because that is to close to religion.
Reduce the U.S. Carbon Footprint. Send Rosie to Iran. Airforce_5_O 04/04/2007
Great news . . . you can bet
April 18, 2007 - 11:38 ET by NoMoreClintonsGreat news . . . you can bet if the ruling had gone the other way that CNN would have headlined it.
Good news...but
April 18, 2007 - 11:43 ET by vrwc13Good news...that in theory just saved about 30 infant lives today.
Unfortunately, there will be 2960 ones lost...today. And every day hereafter until...
"And what I'm saying is, this is a great time for us to look honestly at what we're doing as a society and culture." Lou Dobbs 4/17/07
A month ago I was sitting in
April 18, 2007 - 11:44 ET by Gat New YorkA month ago I was sitting in the office of an orthopedic surgeon and was browsing through a coffee table book that was actual photographs of conception through birth and every small step in between. It described in detail each organ and appendage development.
What I realized just how miraculous birth of another human being is and how incredibly fast its’ development is from the time of conception. By the 5th or 6th month organ and appendage development is almost complete.
The decision of Roe v. Wade while it was done to stop the threats to women’s health, it led to the view of many that abortion was victimless and it became as vogue as doing a facelift.
To answer those on the side of Roe v. Wade a woman still has all the control. That control is education, birth control pills or devices, but most importantly is personal responsibility.
So what right does a woman lose? She loses the right to treat life as an inanimate toy.
Years ago when my son was in 5th grade, they were learning sex education and the teacher spoke about abortion. My son objected to abortions and when the teacher asked him why, he said, “I am lucky to be sitting here because the mother of the 15 year old girl who was my birth mother did not believe in abortions – otherwise I would never have had the chance to have a life.” When I learned what he said it taught me a lesson that I have never forgotten.
Unfortunately too many will never understand.
coat hanger deaths
April 18, 2007 - 21:05 ET by NortoBeliever
The number of deaths attributed to alley abortions was 150 a year! How many women die a year as the result of "legal" abortions?
"How many women die as a
April 18, 2007 - 21:16 ET by Gat New York"How many women die as a result of legal abortion?"
do you mean the women having the abortions or the unborn women who were aborted?
So well said Gat NY - and gre
April 19, 2007 - 09:46 ET by Dee BunkSo well said Gat NY - and great story with your son. You are exactly right about control. A women decides who to let into her body except in the case of rape. If they could eliminate abortion except for RU 486 for rape victims then I could live with that.
There are still nearly 1,300,
April 19, 2007 - 16:05 ET by Gat New YorkThere are still nearly 1,300,000 children killed each year before they have a chance to have a life outside a womb. That is an abhorrent number of murders. I am not calling for abstinence – just personal responsibility.
gat new york
April 19, 2007 - 16:11 ET by misterbillwhy are these folks you address so stupid about contraception????
mr. bill - it's because they
April 19, 2007 - 16:19 ET by Dee Bunkmr. bill - it's because they know they have abortion as an option and a culture that says it's not that big of a deal. If they didn't have the abortion option more people would be more careful
DB - you are absolutely right
April 19, 2007 - 18:02 ET by Gat New YorkDB - you are absolutely right. Contraception is in so many forms and so readily available. So if you screw up don't screw up twice by not giving the kid a chance to have a life!
CNN sent out a news alert abo
April 18, 2007 - 11:54 ET by Michael ChapmanCNN sent out a news alert about the ruling with a header that referred to the issue as, "what some call 'partial birth' abortions." What else would you call it? The baby is removed from the birth canal all the way up to the back of his head and then the abrotionist punctures the baby's skull and scoops out the brains -- and then removes the head. I guess that's just a, uh, ... "procedure"?
On a related note, Bill Donohue of The Catholic League has an interesting comment on the court ruling:
SUPREMES BAN INFANTICIDE
Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League, spoke today about the decision by the U.S. Supreme Court to ban partial-birth abortions:
“The late New York Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, a supporter of the Roe v. Wade decision legalizing abortion, once called partial-birth abortion ‘infanticide.’ So has former New York City Mayor Ed Koch. Today, the U.S. Supreme Court finally made the killing of innocent human beings who are 80 percent born illegal. The abortionists can now use their scissors to cut paper instead of cutting a child’s head to pieces.
“In 1995, Ron Fitzsimmons, executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, went on national television saying he ‘lied through [his] teeth’ when he ‘just went out there and spouted the party line’ about how rare partial-birth abortion was. Ever since, we’ve known that thousands of cases of infanticide occur each year, making the U.S. the only nation in the civilized world to allow this barbaric procedure. Until now.
“We are waiting for the anti-Catholic bigots to go bonkers over the fact that all five of the justices who voted against infanticide are Roman Catholic. Consider that when Samuel Alito was nominated, feminist Eleanor Smeal ominously warned that if he gets approved, ‘the majority of the Court would be Roman Catholics, which would underrepresent other religions, not to mention nonbelievers.’ NPR’s Dahlia Lithwick opined that ‘People are very, very much talking about the fact that Alito would be the fifth Catholic in the Supreme Court if confirmed.’ And when John Roberts was nominated before Alito, his Catholicism was batted around by the bigots to such an extent that the Catholic League devoted an entire section in its 2005 Annual Report on Anti-Catholicism to all the vicious remarks made against him.
“Of course, being Catholic does not make one pro-life. Consider such Catholic stalwarts as Cuomo, Giuliani, Pataki, Kennedy, Kerry, Pelosi, Leahy, Durbin, Dodd….”
Bravo !
April 18, 2007 - 11:57 ET by tumbler_2007Terrific post, Mr. Chapman. Thanks !
I'm having trouble finding an
April 18, 2007 - 11:58 ET byI'm having trouble finding anyone that supports partial birth abortion except in cases where the mother's life is at risk.
How exactly is this big news? I had always assumed partial birth abortion was illegal except when necessary.
Either you're lying (again) o
April 18, 2007 - 12:04 ET by RJEither you're lying (again) or you haven't looked very hard. The left has been belligerent and vocal over the years about protecting this "right", no matter the reason.
I disagree entirely. I've n
April 18, 2007 - 12:10 ET byI disagree entirely. I've never seen one Democratic or left leaning politician support partial birth abortion.
In my experience the only people that believe in this are extremist wackos that don't exist in numbers large enough to concern ourselves with.
If you can prove me wrong, feel free.
You're lying again, hater
April 18, 2007 - 12:15 ET by RJThe support of the left is common knowledge, and you're lying again, hater.
Just because you make an outrageous lie I'm not going to go chasing around to "prove" you wrong. I'm too aware of your constant challenges to "prove a negative" to bother.
No I am not lying you are sim
April 18, 2007 - 12:19 ET byNo I am not lying you are simply being disingenuous.
The only reason people on the left were against this bill is because they felt it's language does not guarantee the safety of the mother. They are concerned that a woman would not be able to get a partial birth abortion in a situation where her life depended on it.
In no way is this support of partial birth abortion.
You're lying again, hater
April 18, 2007 - 12:22 ET by RJYou're lying again, hater. Medical testimony from both sides have said that "Safety of the mother" is so rare as to be non-existant. It's a Trojan Horse set up by the left, which fears the slippery slope.
How am I lying? What I have
April 18, 2007 - 12:26 ET byHow am I lying? What I have said is true. The opponents of the bill have opposed it because they feel it does not provide adequate language to protect the life of the mother.
This is a fact. The occurrence of situations in which this has happened does not change the argument of those opposing the bill.
Trojan Horse, hater
April 18, 2007 - 12:30 ET by RJIt's a Trojan Horse, hater. They fear the slippery slope...as you well know.
syg - Life and health are
April 18, 2007 - 15:20 ET by Dee Bunksyg - Life and health are two different things - the bill provides for the life of the mother if it were to provide for the health of the mother then causing any kind of temporary pain could be included. Wake up. It's a farce
Syggie,You really need to lis
April 18, 2007 - 12:22 ET by bigtimerSyggie,
You really need to listen to the elected Congressmen/women and Senators more often...let alone groups like NOW and NARAL...let alone the obvious bias from the leftist media in all venues...makes me wonder what kind of a bubble you really live in.
You might learn something before you make such an asinine post.
Carry on with your trolling blather, as you will.....
Bigtimer,Show me one elected
April 18, 2007 - 12:25 ET byBigtimer,
Show me one elected congressman/woman or Senator that supports partial birth abortion except in instances where the mother's own life is at risk.
Seriously, I'll bet you can't find one.
specious question, hater
April 18, 2007 - 12:36 ET by RJThat's a specious question, hater. You know perfectly well that no politican who wants to keep their seat would openly admit to being for sucking the brains of infants out. "Health of the mother" is a euphemism.
So you've answered my questio
April 18, 2007 - 13:18 ET bySo you've answered my question and shown that your calls of me being a liar are false and purely said for malicious intent. You can apologize whenever you get a minute.
NO ONE IN THE SENATE OR THE CONGRESS HAS SUPPORTED PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION ON EITHER SIDE. I was correct in my original post.
You're assumptions about people's privately held beliefs are absurd and worthless.
Wrong Syg...sometimes you hav
April 18, 2007 - 13:25 ET by vrwc13Wrong Syg...sometimes you have to scroll back up...
Jack Bauer Says:
April 18, 2007 - 13:59
That's easy.
Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (HR 760, S 3) was signed into law; the House passed it on October 2, 2003 with a vote of 281-142,
The act includes an exception to protect the life of the mother.
All 142 of those voting against were Democrats. They all support/ed Partial Birth abortion.
Nov 2003: Six Democratic presidential candidates at a forum on women's issues in Manchester, N.H., discussed a ban on so-called "partial-birth" abortion, which President Bush signed earlier that day,
Democratic candidates Sen. John Kerry (Mass.), Retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (Ohio), former Sen. Carol Moseley Braun (Ill.), former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean and Sen. John Edwards (N.C.)
Kerry said that "there is no such thing as a partial birth. ... It is late-term abortion." Clark said, "This is a matter between a woman and her doctor and her family. This is an issue that has been settled constitutionally"
In general, all of the candidates showed strong support for abortion rights during the forum,
"This is the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel,"
Rosie O'Donnell, Ph.Dumbass, Emeritus Professor of Stupid Wimmn's Studies, Clown University.
face piles of trials with smiles
Wrong vrwc.Sometimes you simp
April 18, 2007 - 13:39 ET byWrong vrwc.
Sometimes you simply have to scroll down.
I responded to Jack's post. Those dems voting against the bill did so because they felt the language garaunteeing a woman's health was ambiguous.
They did not vote against the bill because they supported partial birth abortions.
Nice try though.
pretty transparent
April 18, 2007 - 13:51 ET by tumbler_2007Syg:
THE PRETEXT for voting against was that "language." Don't try to justify infanticide on flimsy grounds like those.
The majority of Democrats live or die by their special interests lobbies: ABORTION ON DEMAND WITH NO CONCESSIONS has always been their shibboleth. They called this one the "slippery slope" by which Roe v. Wade is overturned incrementally. They KNOW what they're doing, and they can't fool anybody.
You have no proof. Your abo
April 18, 2007 - 13:54 ET byYou have no proof. Your above statement is not based on fact, it's merely your speculation which is clearly tainted by a severe prejudice and bias.
Unless you can show me PROOF of the private thoughts of the dem senators and congress people, then you don't have a leg to stand on.
You are engaging in a false argument.
Syg, just go and check their
April 18, 2007 - 13:57 ET by bassndudeSyg, just go and check their campang contributitors, and who takes them to dinner and lunch and arranges travel and a stay at a 5star hotel. Free. Then you know who they listen to. And not just the libs. There are some RINO's out there doing the same thing
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
This has nothing to do with t
April 18, 2007 - 14:00 ET byThis has nothing to do with the debate. You can only judge them by what you know and all you know is what they've said publicly, which is that they don't support the bill b/c they are concerned about situations involving mother's health.
These arguments you all keep making have no basis in reality. I'm sorry I don't know what to tell you.
...I think I can concede to s
April 18, 2007 - 15:52 ET by TruthMonger...I think I can concede to syg on this...as long as he/she accepts a similar premise that Christians oppose homosexuality totally out of love and concern for the health and well-being of those who desire to practice it...as opposed to some form of bigotry or hatred...
Sound like a deal:)?
If that's what they say than
April 18, 2007 - 15:54 ET byIf that's what they say than I have to take them at their word. I can't read minds or hidden intentions. I can speculate, but then it's nothing more than unfounded speculation.
Otherwise I'd be making stuff up.
In your head you can assume things about people, but that doesn't make it right and it doesn't enable effective arguments.
That is my point.
I only consider people to bigots or hate mongers when they actively demonstrated bigoted behavior.
Syg, So, you always b
April 18, 2007 - 16:16 ET by JoeBobSyg,
So, you always believe what people say and make no judgements based on actions or other known facts? You're either hopelessly naive or full of crap.
Without recognizing the ordinances of Heaven, it is impossible to be a superior man. - Confucious
The best type of speculations
April 18, 2007 - 16:33 ET by Roger the ShrubberThe best type of speculations are the unfounded ones, I think.
Speculation, n. - Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition.
Unfounded, adj. - not based on fact, unsubstantiated.
I also think all politicians have our best interest at heart, and would NEVER be swayed by lobbyists.
You have just actively demonstrated that you are, indeed, a dumbass, Sparky.
It's pointless to debate seriously with hater. He ALWAYS lies.
April 18, 2007 - 17:27 ET by RJIt's pointless to take hater at his word. He lies and makes up arguments as he goes along.
To get back to the original argument, he knows perfectly well that, as a group, Democrats support Partial Birth Abortion all along and will not like this decision.
should we even argue
April 18, 2007 - 14:10 ET by tumbler_2007Why even argue with those who cannot understand INNOCENT LIFE ? ? ?
Yes; come to the aid of your party, Syg. Drink all the Kool Ade, and when the nation's own identity is out the window; and American women with their friends in the Congress have exterminated every one of their gene-pools
You can continue to harp on the good intent of those representatives. They voted for DEATH, not life. And they knew why. For the vote ! Not for health, or the right to choose. For the vote that keeps them in power.
Well said Tumbler. This is
April 18, 2007 - 14:20 ET by dscottWell said Tumbler. This is about pandering for votes, nothing more. Instead of doling out money to buy the votes, in this case they are buying those votes in the blood of the innocent. It's disgusting.
BTW - given the wholesale acceptance of the Dem party on this issue (with some exception curiously like Murtha), do you personally believe a political party that advocates or condons this behavior is worthy of your vote?
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Sparky, they voted against th
April 18, 2007 - 14:54 ET by Roger the ShrubberSparky, they voted against the bill because the pro-abortion lobby paid them do to so.
Just like the NRA and dozens of other lobbies control certian politicians, the pro-abortion lobby does the same.
Explain to me what risk the m
April 18, 2007 - 12:40 ET by Dan The Man 2Explain to me what risk the mother should be in to have this operation performed?
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
She'd be in dire danger of
April 18, 2007 - 12:59 ET by The Wicked ConservativeShe'd be in dire danger of responsibility!!! Abortion, as Ann Coulter so perfectly put it, is a womens right to have sex with men she'd never have kids with. Thanks overbearing militant womens lib, you've enlightened us all.
Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. Talk sense to a
liberal and he calls you a racist, sexist, biggot, homophobe, denier.
except in instances where the
April 18, 2007 - 12:49 ET by dscottexcept in instances where the mother's own life is at risk.
At the risk of being redundant, there is no such risk that this procedure addresses. It's a specious claim to justify an indefensible method of cold blooded murder that rates down there with the methods of Friday the 13th and Freddy Kruger.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
I agree. We need more politi
April 18, 2007 - 12:53 ET by Roger the ShrubberI agree. We need more politicians saying "I am all for having the brains sucked out of a living fetus. Two thumbs up!".
PBA is preformed in the last
April 18, 2007 - 12:53 ET by Airforce_5_OPBA is preformed in the last trimester of pregnancy. It is an unnecessary procedure. You might as well have the baby and put it up for adoption then kill the child.
Reduce the U.S. Carbon Footprint. Send Rosie to Iran. Airforce_5_O 04/04/2007
That's easy. Partial-Birth
April 18, 2007 - 12:59 ET by Jack BauerThat's easy.
The act includes an exception to protect the life of the mother.
All 142 of those voting against were Democrats. They all support/ed Partial Birth abortion.
They voted against it b/c of
April 18, 2007 - 13:22 ET byThey voted against it b/c of the specific language concerning the exception for partial birth abortions for the safety of the mother was not clear enough.
They voted against it b/c of convoluted language, not because they supported partial birth abortion.
You know, it's perfectly hono
April 18, 2007 - 13:29 ET by dscottYou know, it's perfectly honorable and character building to acknowledge you lost the argument here Syg. The more you try to make excuses and finese, the more credibility you lose with us. BTW- having the last word or slipping in some specious claim doesn't win you any points here, nor does it win an argument, at least with conservatives.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Prove it."This is the
April 18, 2007 - 13:30 ET by Jack BauerProve it.
" The legislation does
April 18, 2007 - 13:43 ET by" The legislation does not include a "health exception," but instead includes a lengthy "findings" section, stating that medical evidence presented in congressional hearings showed partial-birth abortion poses serious risks to women's health, is never medically needed and is outside the standards of medical care.
Democrats on the conference panel tried twice yesterday to create a "health exception" to the ban, but Republicans defeated them in two sets of party-line votes. "
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030930-113018-1410r.htm
Dems wanted a specific health exception stating that partial birth abortion would always be legal in instances where it was necessary to preserve the life of the mother. They felt the language in the bill was too vague. That is why they voted against it.
Syg,Here is a wealth of infor
April 18, 2007 - 13:57 ET by bigtimerSyg,
Here is a wealth of information for you, all kinds of links and other places to go and read up on...http://books.google.com/books?q=senators+supporting+partial+birth+abortion&ots=JEoktb8We2&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title
'Nuff said.
Here's Hillary's comments tod
April 18, 2007 - 13:44 ET byHere's Hillary's comments today. You'd say she is a prominent democrat right? Well let's take a look at what she says concerning why she's against it.
"This decision marks a dramatic departure from four decades of Supreme Court rulings that upheld a woman's right to choose and recognized the importance of women's health. Today's decision blatantly defies the Court's recent decision in 2000 striking down a state partial-birth abortion law because of its failure to provide an exception for the health of the mother. As the Supreme Court recognized in Roe v. Wade in 1973, this issue is complex and highly personal; the rights and lives of women must be taken into account. It is precisely this erosion of our constitutional rights that I warned against when I opposed the nominations of Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito."
Now let's see what Edwards ha
April 18, 2007 - 13:49 ET byNow let's see what Edwards had to say:
"I could not disagree more strongly with today's Supreme Court decision. The ban upheld by the Court is an ill-considered and sweeping prohibition that does not even take account for serious threats to the health of individual women. This hard right turn is a stark reminder of why Democrats cannot afford to lose the 2008 election. Too much is at stake - starting with, as the Court made all too clear today, a woman's right to choose."
The Newsbusters are making a disingenuous argument that fails to contain any facts about the actual situation and the actual stance of the people you are attacking.
You lost the argument there S
April 18, 2007 - 13:57 ET by dscottYou lost the argument there Syg. There is no medical condition threatening the life or health of a woman that partial birth abortion is required nor is it the only option. Those making the claim are engaging in a specious argument and btw the SCOTUS recognized that fact, at last! The fact that Dems are now engaging legislation to make the specious argument speaks their pandering to NOW, NARAL and Planned Parenthood, the last two who directly profit from this horrendous inhuman procedure.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
So there is NEVER a situation
April 18, 2007 - 14:02 ET bySo there is NEVER a situation where a woman's life would be in danger where the only way to save her would be to abort the baby?
Are you sure about that? Could you show me a study or two, or should I just take your word for it? You are a doctor right?
Clever Syg, however, listen t
April 18, 2007 - 14:13 ET by dscottClever Syg, however, listen to what I just said: there is never a medical situation where partial birth abortion is required to save the life of the mother. period. There are other procedures available. btw another poster already quoted the point on this from an abortion doctor, who should be in the know about these things.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Syg, you have to learn how to
April 18, 2007 - 15:04 ET by vrwc13Syg, you have to learn how to "Google" or at least use Wikipedia:Reasons for abortions
In 2000, cases of rape or incest accounted for 1.0% of abortions.[5] Another study, in 1998, revealed that women reported the following reasons for choosing an abortion:[6]
BTW...over 200 babies have been aborted since we last communicated (over 100 every hour in the US, 4,500 worldwide). So keep up the good work trying to convince yourself and others of your "noble" cause.
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vr...He will not bother readi
April 18, 2007 - 15:09 ET by bigtimervr...
He will not bother reading any of it.
Waste of time.
Troll.
You asked for ONE Democrat
April 18, 2007 - 13:54 ET by Jack BauerYou asked for ONE Democrat who was for PBA. I've supplied plenty. 142 in the House back in 2003 for a start.
Six Democrat presidential candidate from 2004.
So Hillary Clinton said what? So what? Go pick a childish fight with someone who gives a crap.
You haven't shown me a single
April 18, 2007 - 13:58 ET byYou haven't shown me a single democrat that supports partial birth abortion except in instances where the mother's life is in danger. This was my original argument.
You are the one picking a childish fight, you just can't admit that you're wrong.
You asked me to prove that dems were against the bill because of the language concerning a mother's health and I DID THAT.
I provided an article, Hillary's statement, and Edward's statement to show that dems contention with the bill is solely due to the fact that they are concerned about the mother's health in a situation where a partial birth abortion is necessary to keep the mother alive.
Syg that arguement about &q
April 18, 2007 - 14:05 ET by radiofitz34Syg that arguement about "does not take into concideration the life and health of the mother" is an albatross excuse. It's bogus. It is only used by pro-abortion lobbyists as a loophole.
I've talked to a few women who would rather die if that's what it took to let the child survive.
Again, you are merely specula
April 18, 2007 - 14:08 ET byAgain, you are merely speculating. You have no idea and you're desperately grasping at straws.
I proved my argument about why Democrats were against the bill and about the fact that not one Democrat in office supports partial birth abortion except in instances where the life of the mother is in danger.
Speculation is for the birds as far as I'm concerned. I like to deal in tangible reality.
At least one democrat is wi
April 18, 2007 - 14:23 ET by MightyMouthAt least one democrat is willing to tell the truth about their position.
Abortions rights supporters say "intact" abortions are a medically accepted
pre-viability, second-trimester procedure.
In a bitter dissent read from the bench, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the only
woman on the high court, said the majority's opinion "cannot be understood as
anything other than an effort to chip away a right declared again and again by
this court, and with increasing comprehension of its centrality to women's
lives."
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Ruth "the Assasin" Ginsburg
April 18, 2007 - 14:48 ET by LionKingJeez...she makes it sound like every abortion is done to save a woman's life.
Sickeningly pathetic isn't it
April 18, 2007 - 14:56 ET by bigtimerSickeningly pathetic isn't it LK?
Made me queasy in the stomach just reading it early this morning, not that it is new news but just the same, it makes me sick.
It just proves that you kno
April 18, 2007 - 14:28 ET by radiofitz34It just proves that you know nothing Syg. Reality is the dems don't oppose partial-birth abortion. The "life of the mother" line provides them with an easy out excuse. That should be obvious.
I've read almost the whole th
April 18, 2007 - 14:36 ET by Clear thinkerI've read almost the whole thread and would like to butt in for a moment.
I have a close friend that is an OB/GYN and has been assured by the best attorneys in the country that putting in an exception for the life of the mother is medically, and legally meaningless. He was told at a large ob/gyn convention that no matter what the circumstances the life of the woman is always the primary patient and the child is secondary. Anotherwords... doctors are already protected and don't need the exception.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Thanks for clarifying thing
April 18, 2007 - 14:46 ET by radiofitz34Thanks for clarifying things and of course as Clear thinker that's your job.
Glad to have helped. Now I ca
April 18, 2007 - 14:49 ET by Clear thinkerGlad to have helped. Now I can go back to making fun of tumbler.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Throw him a bone, he was goo
April 18, 2007 - 14:54 ET by dscottThrow him a bone, he was good on this thread.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
dscott...Yep.Hope it stays th
April 18, 2007 - 15:01 ET by bigtimerdscott...
Yep.
Hope it stays that way...a lot more enjoyable.
Check from uncle sam come.t
April 18, 2007 - 15:10 ET by MightyMouthCheck from uncle sam come.
tumbler go to pharmacy.
tumbler take meds.
tumbler type good now ,not be mean.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM,I think you may be on to s
April 18, 2007 - 15:18 ET by bigtimerMM,
I think you may be on to something...lol!
Whatever the reason, hope it stays that way, we can all agree to disagree, but derailing every single thread with one subject got past old IMO.
IMO
April 18, 2007 - 15:24 ET by MightyMouthAnd I do respect your opinion BT. I have been trying to rile him up all day and nada! I may try a couple more times and give up for a while if no frothing at the mouth.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
You rogue you!
April 18, 2007 - 15:29 ET by bigtimerYou rogue you!
CT,This does not function as
April 18, 2007 - 15:08 ET byCT,
This does not function as valid evidence.
Do these people you reference have names? I'm sure if he's the best lawyer in the country (quite a lofty title eh?) we should all know who he OR SHE is right?
My sisters cousins brothers friend once told me that they heard from so and so, is not in any way a valid argument.
You must be joking. The fact that people took your convoluted story at face value and accepted it immediately as fact b/c it fit their worldviews is absolutely terrifying.
Syg - don't lecture us abou
April 18, 2007 - 15:38 ET by Dee BunkSyg - don't lecture us about valid evidence. Read the F'ing bill instead of using talking points. There was extensive testimony and investigation that found this act would not interfere with the "health" of the mother. And there is an exception for the life of the mother. This is the specific wording in the act
"This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is
necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a
physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a
life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the
pregnancy itself. This subsection takes effect 1 day after the date of
enactment of this chapter."
You can and should read the whole thing here (sorry link thing not working need to cut and paste)
http://news.findlaw....
I've read the bill and my opi
April 18, 2007 - 15:46 ET byI've read the bill and my opinion/interpretation of the wording is irrelevant to this discussion.
Go back to my original argument. I will reiterate one final time: (1) You can not show me one single DEM (with evidence please)in Congress or Senate that supports partial birth abortion (your hypothesis on the inner workings of their minds do not count).
(2) Dems voted against the bill because they felt the language was too ambiguous. (whether or not you think it is actually too ambiguous is irrelevant)
Got it. The specific arguments i have laid out above are correct. There is nothing you can say that can refute the above statements that has any basis in fact. I don't know what else to say.
syg - there is nothing else
April 18, 2007 - 16:00 ET by Dee Bunksyg - there is nothing else to say because you are wrong. Anyone who reads that bill and finds it too ambigous is not being honest. And the evidence is that they voted against the ban.
You can not show me one single DeM (with evidence) who voted against the ban who doesn't support partial birth abortion. (See how silly these type of questions are ? They can be turned around on you. They are meaningless just like saying the language is too ambiguous. You can say that about anything and any law ever made so they better not vote for another bill ever if that is their real reason)
Well, I guess that's the end
April 18, 2007 - 16:07 ET by dscottWell, I guess that's the end of the argument, huh, Syg. Denial gets you what you need, the knowledge that all is well in your little universe. Meanwhile, back in the real world, the Dems are working on legislation to legalize Partial Birth abortions, but in your contorted view of the world that's not support of Partial Birth abortion. Ding, ding, ding, Yeap, we have a winner there folks.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Hillary's Comments
April 18, 2007 - 23:47 ET by River City"It is precisely this erosion of our constitutional rights......."
Which Article in the US Constitution is she referring to? Which right in the US Constitution is she referring to?
PBA
April 18, 2007 - 21:10 ET by NortoBeliever
Remeber Clinton vetoed the ban, how many times. He was a democrat I think.
Oh Norto,What an excellent po
April 19, 2007 - 00:03 ET by bigtimerOh Norto,
What an excellent point.
Wished I would of remembered that...thanks, that made my night complete.
Hater, er, Syg's silly attemp
April 18, 2007 - 12:51 ET by Roger the ShrubberHater, er, Syg's silly attempt to debate aside, Diane Feinstein gets a 100% rating from NARAL.
All you have to do is read
April 18, 2007 - 15:24 ET by steviep831All you have to do is read the top headlines on drudgereport.com to see that the three leading democratic presidential candiates are all against the ban. Please leave the trolling to professionals.
you missed the point Syg...Al
April 18, 2007 - 12:10 ET by vrwc13you missed the point Syg...
All abortion is wrong..and in the time you posted until my post right now, 20 innocent lives have been lost to abortion just in the US alone. About 900 worldwide. Just in the last 10 minutes...
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Ok this has nothing to do wit
April 18, 2007 - 12:13 ET byOk this has nothing to do with what I said.
Again, we are speaking specifically about partial birth abortion. I said nothing about other abortions.
Aaaaand as far as I know you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that supports partial birth abortion, except in instances where it is necessary to save the mother's life.
some 80 % are purely elective
April 18, 2007 - 12:18 ET by vrwc13In 1992, Dr. Martin Haskell presented his paper on this procedure at a Risk Management Seminar of the National Abortion Federation. He personally claims to have done over 700 himself (Interview with Dr. Martin Haskell, AMA News, 1993), and points out that some 80% are "purely elective." In a personal conversation with Fr. Frank Pavone, Dr. Haskell explained that "elective" does not mean that the woman chooses the procedure because of a medical necessity, but rather chooses it because she wants an abortion. He admitted to Fr. Frank that there does not seem to be any medical reason for this procedure. There are in fact absolutely no obstetrical situations encountered in this country which require a partially delivered human fetus to be destroyed to preserve the life or health of the mother (Dr. Pamela Smith, Senate Hearing Record, p.82: Partial Birth Abortion Ban Medical Testimony).
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Tiller the baby killer
April 18, 2007 - 12:16 ET by Jack BauerThe I suggest you google Dr Tiller (the baby killer).
Not only does he support killing babies in the birth canal, he is a major contributor to his local Democratic party , who return the favor by supporting him.
Tiller has killed thousands of late-term fetuses by citing "temporary depression" on the part of the mother.
The monster is infamous. And you haven't heard of him?
NARAL and Planned Parenthood
April 18, 2007 - 12:19 ET by dscottNARAL and Planned Parenthood are in mourning. Is that enough for you? NOW hasn't said anything yet. BTW- partially delivering a child only to kill it is never for saving a mother's life, there is absolutely no set of medical circumstances that justifies this "procedure" as the only means.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Here you go Syg, NOW has just
April 18, 2007 - 14:23 ET by dscottHere you go Syg, NOW has just gone into mourning as well.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
Oooh those pooooor Lefties, n
April 18, 2007 - 12:20 ET by mattmOooh those pooooor Lefties, now they might not be able to suck the brains out of an infant as it attempts to be born; in blatant violation and disregard for a woman's right not to be inconvenienced as a result of her own actions.
I just woke up and checked
April 18, 2007 - 13:06 ET by radiofitz34I just woke up and checked my e-mail. I get updates from ACLJ Jay Sekulow. I had to read it 3 times cause I thought naaahh this can't be. Sure enough it's true! Praise the Lord!
Finally a victory!!! CNN can put it anywhere they want to (I have an idea where they can put it) because it doesn't change the outcome. WoooHooo! Sing the song "Oh Happy Day"!
Immortal words...he he he he
April 18, 2007 - 13:40 ET by bassndudeImmortal words...he he he he he he!! Read it and weep CNN!!!!
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Praise the LORD
April 18, 2007 - 15:27 ET by Cool ArrowThank you Almighty God for this victory. We ask for many more. Thank you for the men who had the fortitude to stand for what is obviously right.
a little limerick
April 18, 2007 - 18:35 ET by misterbillSCOTUS had 5 yeas and 4 maybes
To keep people from killing babies
The disagreeable four
Each a political whore
Should all come down with scabies
I am in such a good mood be
April 18, 2007 - 19:57 ET by Dee BunkI am in such a good mood because of this ruling. I just had to post something else. This is the first conservative victory in a long time. It can change in '08 though so people better get motivated.
Well Dee you know I too have
April 18, 2007 - 20:05 ET by bigtimerWell Dee you know I too have been in a good mood all day about this, what is sad is this country has ever got to the point we have to even think of having a law to prevent something as horrendous as the murder of babies fully formed that can survive just fine on their own...
We must get a real conservative in '08 for the SC Judges and the appointments that will come up...for various reasons but this being one of the most important for me...there are others too.
Thompson/Hunter or Tancredo
BT - It is really sad that
April 18, 2007 - 20:24 ET by Dee BunkBT - It is really sad that it was ever allowed. And it's really sad that there are so many people who are upset with the ruling. Most of them are just so entrenched in their politics that they can't look clearly at the situation. Most people that I know who are pro-choice still believe that people are only allowed to have an abortion in the first three months. I think conservatives need to focus more on how unbelievably lax the laws have become.
Now that a baby at 4 months has been shown to survive outside the womb, there should be no question. Under no circumstances other than the life of the mother should an abortion be allowed after that time. It's infanticide, pure and simple.
That shal we reap
April 18, 2007 - 21:28 ET by Cool ArrowHere's the future:
RO,You said a mouthful!Sadly.
April 18, 2007 - 21:39 ET by bigtimerRO,
You said a mouthful!
Sadly.