What happened at Virginia Tech today is not a "tragedy" in the way that tragedy is usually defined as being a sudden accident. No, it was a cold-blooded crime. But, the criminal action at Virginia Tech had barely finished before news sources began their meme against guns, those "permissive laws" controlling them and the "easy access" to them. All are common phrases used to attack gun rights and this incident is being used as a platform to launch that line of attack everywhere. It's as if, before the last victim was even cold, every anti-gun advocate in the country hurriedly warmed up their cars to race to their local media source to call for more gun control. The debate over this issue is perfectly reasonable, of course, but that the MSM would use this crime as a springboard for their attacks on guns so soon after this incident had been perpetrated smacks of political opportunism.
CBS News gives us the claim that it is "much too easy to get guns in the state of Virginia." And they assure us this crime happened because "there's no gun registration, no mandatory waiting period to purchase weapons. The only major restriction: a limit of one gun purchase per month." And, the CBS report is echoed all across the news media.
Unsurprisingly, the foreign press immediately jumped on the anti-gun bandwagon, as well. In the UK for instance, The Independent said in one piece, "But it would be vain to hope that even so destructive a crime as this will cool the American ardour for guns."
Even Chicago's Mayor Daley was blasted all across local Chicago TV speaking out against guns within hours.
The stories like this are too numerous to chronicle and all woefully the same. (Brent Baker also has more: http://newsbusters.org/node/12075)
Things not considered
But, in the rush to the TV screens to clamor for more gun control, the media talking heads and every writer in the MSM will likely ignore several questions this crime raises.
Now, it has been revealed that the killer is a Chinese national here under the student visa program to study in the USA. So this fact raises a question that I'll bet you won't see talked about... why are student visas so easily handed out to foreign students from one of our ostensible enemies, China? Will there be a drumbeat to stop unbalanced foreign killers from entering the USA?
I doubt it.
(Update: The student has been named and he is a South Korean by birth and has been here for a long time as a resident alien. My point, however, remains similar in that Americans often do not have the same opportunities at education as foreign nationals. Again, the point was not his particular nationality, but the juxtaposition of "bad" visa laws compared to the gun control argument. If we can stop things like this by outlawing guns, why can't we also stop it by outlawing visas. As Rush says, just illustrating absurdity with absurdity.)
Here is another point that I'll guarantee you won't see much discussion of: schools are supposedly "gun free zones" but this foreign killer easily brought a gun into the school and, with no opposition, deliberately killed over 30 people. Some "gun free zone" that is.
But, there is no escaping the common sense realization that if some of the other students there were armed, this murderer might not have been able to take out 30 some people without some response to his actions. At least some of the others would have been able to defend themselves instead of having that natural right to self-defense summarily removed by the fantasy of the school's "gun free zone" policy.
This disgusting, horrific action proves that if gun laws remove guns from the hands of sane, law abiding citizens, only lunatics and criminals will have them and only lunatics and murderers will be able to use them with no opposition.
Again, it is proper to have the national debate. But, so far, the MSM is not giving us debate, but anti-gun moralizing. Both sides of the issue are not getting their just due because the MSM has already chosen sides and done so before we even have all the facts about this case.
Many feel that, in the end, and in many ways, the "tragedy" here is in the anti-gun laws that prevented those students in Virginia Tech from defending themselves.
No, on second thought, that is a crime, too.
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I feel for these families, on
April 16, 2007 - 22:31 ET by DCC1I feel for these families, one of my high school football teamates was shot and killed this last fall at UW Milwaukee. When these things happen it breaks alot of hearts, and for anyone to use it for political gain, is beyond heartless, it should be criminal in and of itself. There is no doubt in my mind that the only way to stop this from ever happening again in this scale, is to ensure there are no easy victims.
And yet we still do not have concealed carry in my state of Wisconsin. And even in places that do, they are not allowed on a campus. I only hope that people will once again be able to defend themselfs in this great country some day.
"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. "
-Thomas Paine 1776
concealed carry
April 17, 2007 - 00:34 ET by tejanodiabloto hell with 'concealed' .. carry 'em right out in front of God and everybody .. when in doubt, whup it out ..
never look a gift skunk in the tail ..
I agree. An armed society is
April 17, 2007 - 06:46 ET by Dave RI agree. An armed society is a polite society.
Homeland security is you, at home, with a loaded firearm.
The VA Tech shooting is NOT t
April 17, 2007 - 07:25 ET by AlgerHissThe VA Tech shooting is NOT the worst mass murder in US history.
The VA Tech shooting is NOT the worst school rampage.
The Bath School Disaster...Bath Township, Michigan...1927: High property taxes caused a farmer and school board member, Andrew Kehoe, to dynamite the local school. 45 killed and 58 injured.
Rochester, Minnesota: A Fem_Leftist City!
History
April 17, 2007 - 09:21 ET by pbanks7Like Limbaugh says, "For most people, history begins when they are born." This proves it with the MSM. The current tragedy is the worst.
Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.
Let's not forget
April 17, 2007 - 09:54 ET by RJAnd let's not overlook that it didn't happen with a gun.
AH,Wow!Learn something new ev
April 17, 2007 - 09:32 ET by bigtimerAH,
Wow!
Learn something new every single day here...that is incredible, first I have ever heard of that, thanks.
How unbelievably selfish and sad was that...by the way, I hope there was a swift lynching or such.
Let's not forget the "ot
April 17, 2007 - 11:37 ET by ChuchulainnLet's not forget the "other" 9/11--September 11th, 1857 that is. On that date 130 members of the Fancher wagon train party from Arkansas were lined up and shot down like ducks in a shooting gallery by a Mormon militia in Southern Utah. Mark Twain even commented on this in his book "Roughing It."
Google "Mountain Meadows Massacre" for more info. Wiki has a good write-up
Too early to tell as the fact
April 16, 2007 - 22:39 ET by TeamcheeserToo early to tell as the facts come pouring in, but it seems to me that the earlier shooting of two students (a woman and a Resident Adviser) may or may not be linked to the later killings of 30 or more students and faculty.
I hope the police/FBI are considering the fact that the time between the two incidents was sufficient for the first killer to hand off the gun to a second killer. The casings would match and most people would jump to the conclusion that the second killer (who took his own life) was responsible for the earlier killings as well.
It would be a stretch to think that a student would plan it out so thoroughly, but it is possible that the first killings were done by the reported white male with greasy hair (a pretty accurate description of Geraldo BY Grealdo), who was hell-bent on revenge against either the woman or the RA. He could've purchased some OTC cell phones and called in the bomb threats. He could've recruited a Chinese student who sees America as his enemy and offered him the opportunity to perpetrate a massacre. Certainly if the Chinese student killed more than a few students, the first killings would be assumed to be a part of the entire plot, especially if the weapon matches.
It doesn't add up for me. The two incidents, I believe, were made to appear linked, but somehow I don't think they were. Or if they are linked -- the second, more deadly spree -- was put in place to cover for the earlier killings.
Of course I know nothing and the only thing that matters right now is keeping these victims in our thoughts and prayers. I will leave it up to the experts (who will undoubetedly be dragged through the mud, raked over the coals, and questioned at every turn by a dangerously quick-to-assign-blame news media) to figure it all out.
Exactly Todd,You said it all
April 16, 2007 - 22:42 ET by bigtimerExactly Todd,
You said it all below as far as I am concerned.
The "tragedy" is in the anti-gun laws that prevented those students in Virginia Tech from defending themselves.
No, on second thought, that is a crime, too.
Somebody is covering their rear or rears because of the VISA problem...AGAIN too!
When will they ever learn...when will they ever learn.
Politicians at the ready I am sure...trial lawyers already got their ambulances warmed up...this whole thing is pathetic and a lot of deaths could of been prevented.
My heart goes to the families as I stated this morning...but this country really needs to wake up and fight back.
Loved your blog.
BT,I just had a very strange
April 16, 2007 - 22:47 ET by BlondeBT,
I just had a very strange thought.
The "Columbine" style massacre is the equivalent of a road bomb, for us in the U.S.A.
The internal terrorists are on the loose. And this style of attack IS terrorism.
What do you think?
Blonde, Like the trade cent
April 16, 2007 - 22:51 ET by MightyMouthBlonde, Like the trade centers, the SECOND one will confirm your fears!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM,The Trade Centers were the
April 16, 2007 - 22:56 ET by BlondeMM,
The Trade Centers were the first attacks on our homeland.
I'm not fearful (unlike certain others here).
The second attack will kill the libs....so I'm not sure whether to wait for it, or to fear it....it will happen, of that I have no doubt.
The jihadis won't quit, well, until we kill them all.
I know, it's not a feminine thought...too bad, so sad, all I have to say about it is "death to our enemies".
Blonde, I don't want to sca
April 16, 2007 - 23:10 ET by MightyMouthBlonde, I don't want to scare you but, I am buying cheap land in west Texas. If you make it that far mention NB and you will be safe untill, whenever! LOL! For real hon!!!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
khalid sheik Mohammed
April 16, 2007 - 23:15 ET by misterbillDid you know among many other plans beside the Twin Towers that:
"He said he was involved in planning assassination attempts against former Presidents Carter and Clinton"
I only post this to show how the fanatics of Islam feel about America. While I hold neither of these men in high esteem, their assasination would be a huge insult to America. I would not be surprised to find out the person at VT is of the same persuasion.
B,Whether or not it is, I hav
April 16, 2007 - 22:58 ET by bigtimerB,
Whether or not it is, I have been thinking about it all day, the only thing I would think they would go crazy in more is a mall, like in Minnesota...the largest mall in the US, where it would hurt the economy more,people fearing to shop, my husband said schools have no protection and malls do...I say oh please, this would be easy to get around in either case.
Time will tell, but you can be sure they are paying attention, they are just bidding their time.
I am still surprised the complete release of this guys information has been this slow.
BT,That's why I think this is
April 16, 2007 - 23:04 ET by BlondeBT,
That's why I think this is the equivalent of a car bomb in Iraq.
It's totally shocking.
And you called it early on. No "racial" profile of the doer.
I suspect you are correct....the "asian" reports, will mean it's a jihadi.
Time will tell, I am so overwhelmingly sad about this.
Must sign out, soon.
Take care, BT.
I truly suspect it's terrorism.
How stupid would one over-the-top out of love idiot be?
Oh, how I hope I am wrong.
Bigtimer,First of all, let me
April 16, 2007 - 23:05 ET by TeamcheeserBigtimer,
First of all, let me thank you for the nice comment you posted the other day in response to my ficticious speech by "Karen" of the Rutgers basketball team. I meant to reply to your comment, but you know... I got pulled away from the computer by real life and, well, never got back in time.
Anyway, I am not surprised that the complete release of this guy's info has been this slow. From all reports (except Geraldo, of course) the guy is not white. That means they have to tread lightly or else they might be labeled as profilers or -- worse -- racists!
Team,You are more than welcom
April 16, 2007 - 23:13 ET by bigtimerTeam,
You are more than welcome and I thank you for that great post, and I mean great.
Now to the PC of the race matter, I am past sick and tired of it all.
Period.
Inquiring minds want to know....soon.
I have heard two different names today...one sounded muslim and the other I don't know what.
Answers are coming slow for a lot of reasons I suspect...I hate to jump the gun and say CYA, but the longer they wait the more you can't help but think that.
BT,I agree. Answers are comin
April 16, 2007 - 23:39 ET by TeamcheeserBT,
I agree. Answers are coming too slowly. In cases like this, we have to trust the investigators and assume that if they are leaving out important info, maybe it's because it'll help them find the killer or killers.
What gets me is how some folks -- I will pick on Gerry Rivers here -- inject "non-information" in order to make it seem like they are investigating the incident. So far, Geraldo has referred to a nappy-haired... er... greasy haired white guy and some Asian commando, shown on a website to be holding ten or more weapons.
And then there is Greta... good golly! She insists that IF the bullet casings in the early killings match the bullet casings in the later spree, then it's obvious we are dealing with ONE killer. Sorry, Greta, but that is not a slam dunk. Remember how the gun was left for Michael Corleone behind the toilet tank? Anything is possible and the VA Tech authorities and FBI have their hands full right now.
The last thing they need is to have to leak out important info just to put out the fires started by Geraldo and Greta.
Team,OMG!Two peas in a pod! I
April 16, 2007 - 23:47 ET by bigtimerTeam,
OMG!
Two peas in a pod! I could not watch it all, when Gerry got to the sources say the greasy haired this and that, and Greta who is in big trouble herself (LMAO) with the Howard K Stern stuff, started yammering...I turned the channel to here!
I despise those people, and leftist think all conservatives like Fox all the time, oh please, it is the best we have for now....but those two are disgusting...
I agree with your sentiments about keeping some things close to the vest for now and their may be things better left unsaid for now...like I said, time will tell.
BT,And don't think for a seco
April 17, 2007 - 00:01 ET by TeamcheeserBT,
And don't think for a second that I disagree with your post about the PC issue. I totally agree. If this was another Timothy McVeigh, we'd be watching interviews of his Junior High principal right now (hopefully knocking Greta and Gerry off the air!)
All I'm saying is that there is more -- possibly much more -- to the story than what is being reported so far and THAT is why Greta and Geraldo are reaching to fill the time with this blah-blah crap.
I have a post further on up in this chain that speculates on the possibility of two different gunmen. It has been ignored (probably for good reason), but there is something about this whole thing that STINKS (and, of course, I'm talking about more than the death of 30+ innocent people... Despite the gist of the original story here -- It IS a tragedy. Not a "tragic accident", but still a tragedy.)
Team,Well don't get me wrong
April 17, 2007 - 00:07 ET by bigtimerTeam,
Well don't get me wrong either, I think there is more to the story too.
Period, something is going on.
BT,So far tonight I've heard
April 17, 2007 - 00:09 ET by TeamcheeserBT,
So far tonight I've heard Geraldo say (not direct quotes, but as best as I can remember...) that this was like a bad day in Baghdad AND that even in the worst firefight in Iraq, it doesn't last thirty minutes.
He can't resist injecting Iraq into THIS story?!?
When do we stop taking him seriously? And by "we" I mean others, because I surely have!
I have it from an informed source--
April 16, 2007 - 23:51 ET by misterbillI have it from an informed source--that Gerry Rivers has hired the Ninja Turtles to help him.
With the "tip" that
April 17, 2007 - 00:13 ET by TeamcheeserWith the "tip" that it was a "greasy-haired white guy" Geraldo has decided to reopen the vault of Al Capone!
I'm really not trying to make fun of the situation, but I can not take this guy seriously. He is... bad.
On top of that though the thr
April 16, 2007 - 23:06 ET by bigtimerOn top of that though the three bomb threats the school had before all of this does make one wonder too...if this practice for security elsewhere ect.?
...Al Qaeda and the related splintered terrorist groups are world-wide...too bad the leftist do not want to admit that....doesn't fit their agenda.
Several years ago i came acro
April 16, 2007 - 22:58 ET by PKSeveral years ago i came across a web site for the media that had anti gun articles, videos, reasearch all done, ready for publication. all you had to do was click on what you wanted and enter a credit card number and you were good to go on the liscencing etc.
Out here in california we have quite a bit of this stuff. That is the MSM not telling us just what is happening.
Whenever there is a rather exciting shooting they "blame the guns". The thing that they fail to tell us is that generally the guy that does the shooting is illegal on several counts, each of which if it were enforced would have stopped the act/s.
In fact in the state of california i would speculate that it is easier, cheaper and quicker to buy an illegal gun than being legal.
The gun laws in mexico are quite stringent, yet they shoot them down by the gross.
The states/cities that have the most restrictive gun laws have the highest homicide per 100,000 rates.
If these clowns really wanted to shut down gun violence they would teach two things in the schools.
1. if you shoot someone without a really good reason you are going to do some really hard time with no chance of slipping off.
2. take great care not to irritate someone so much that his trigger finger starts to itch.
The statistics you mentione
April 16, 2007 - 23:43 ET by SeanStThe statistics you mentioned sound like really interesting reading. Do you have a link?
Is Michael Sneed of the Chica
April 16, 2007 - 23:10 ET by TeamcheeserIs Michael Sneed of the Chicago Sun Times male or female?
Just curious... and really, really confused.
Female. Michael Sneed, Sun
April 16, 2007 - 23:37 ET by Warner Todd HustonFemale.
Michael Sneed, Sun-Times
Thanks! I kept telling myself
April 16, 2007 - 23:45 ET by TeamcheeserThanks!
I kept telling myself that it was like "Sam" (Samantha) in 'Bewitched', but I've never heard of Michael being used as a female's name. I thought Fox News mis-typed "Michelle" or "Michel" or something.
I really don't get out enough, I guess. I meant no disrespect to Ms. Sneed, of course.
The cold fact is that it is
April 16, 2007 - 23:15 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveThe cold fact is that it is easy to acquire a handgun on the street...anywhere in America. Any criminal that wants a gun bad enough will get it through illegal means...it is impossible for a criminal to legally acquire a gun. If they are a convicted felon in possession of a gun, they are breaking the law. Someone may lie to buy a gun from a legal dealer, then if so, they just became a criminal.
We need to worry about the criminals...not the law-abiding citizens. It is not "too easy" to legally purchase a firearm in ANY state. It is far more difficult for the law-abiding citizens to legally purchase a gun than it is for a criminal to get one on the street. Furthermore, the government has records of the guns owned by many law-abiding citizens, yet they have zero records of any and all of the illegally owned firearms. Why does this seem strange to me?
"I'd rather be bald than to pretend that I'm not!" --Mean Gene Dr. Love on comb-overs.
You could solve this proble
April 16, 2007 - 23:25 ET by liberal_bug_zapperYou could solve this problem once and for all. Make gun ownership only allowed by citizens of the US. Allow any citizen without a felony able to get a concealed gun permit with their drivers license. Have a shooting range at every Drivers license testing center and require people to have shooting time (like flight time) to keep their license.
My best friend's father taught us how to fire a pistol and a rifle. He taught us how to stand properly and how to reload like military professionals. The proper stance is like you see in CSI sometimes, with the gun in your dominant hand, and your other hand, cupping the bottom of the gun. You never hold the gun in two hands pointed straight out in front of you with legs spread wide... that's just plain stupid. We were taught how to shoot, and aim very quickly. None of this one handed BS, you aim and you hit what you're aiming at. We did practice for hours on end, and after years of practice, both of us, as teenagers, could easily fire a magnum .44 blackhawk revolver... hell of a kick, yet we were extremely accurate with it. I have also fired a 38 special, a .22 Colt automatic, a 9mm Glock, a 9mm Barretta (hand gun), and a Colt .45... not the beer. I was best with the Barretta.
What do you wanna bet that if students had been packing and trained, that guy would have probably gotten a few shots off before he was gunned down. I'm a betting man and I'd take the bet that there would be probably 30 people alive today had other students been carrying.
Stupid leftists.... this whole incident is their fault.
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"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms..." ~ Richard Henry Lee, 1788, Member of the First U.S. Senate
bug zapper, I like the way
April 16, 2007 - 23:30 ET by MightyMouthbug zapper, I like the way you think!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Evening lbz...You are right..
April 16, 2007 - 23:31 ET by bigtimerEvening lbz...
You are right...no bets from me.
LBZ--the baretta
April 16, 2007 - 23:33 ET by misterbillLBZ--the baretta--9mm is what I bought so that my wife and I could use the same weapon. I don't know if it is us or the gun, but minimum kickback and maximum accuracy at close range.
PS Don't campus police carry firearms?? They do at my local middle school.
I'm a little torn. I know
April 16, 2007 - 23:40 ET by SeanStI'm a little torn. I know I'll probably get flamed for posting this, but I think I'd feel less safe if the average person walking around on the street had a concealed weapon, not more safe. I'm a straight down the line conservative on most issues, but this is one where I'm not sure I agree.
But wouldn't you feel bette
April 16, 2007 - 23:43 ET by MightyMouthBut wouldn't you feel better, knowin you were packin too?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Honestly, in a situation li
April 16, 2007 - 23:49 ET by SeanStHonestly, in a situation like the one at VT today, I would have to agree. It would have ended much better if many of the students were armed and able to defend themselves against that sociopath.
On other occasions, I would probably feel less safe. For instance, I would see any conflict that turns to violence as more likely to escalate to deadly force. That could mean more chances for innocent people to be caught in the cross fire, including myself.
Sean,Not if the bad guy is sh
April 16, 2007 - 23:53 ET by bigtimerSean,
Not if the bad guy is shot dead fast.
See it is like he is dead..over and out, and you don't have to quiver anywhere...you can come back out from your corner.
bt
April 17, 2007 - 00:02 ET by gfrrmanThe logical solution therefore is to ban cars!
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
Or, how about we hand out f
April 17, 2007 - 00:07 ET by AJOr, how about we hand out free bullet-proof shields that SWAT teams use? Everyone can slog around dragging a shield behind them. Yeah, I like that idea better. "Sheilds up!" "Make a phalanx everyone and we can plow the gunmen over!" [/sarcasm]
On other occasions you migh
April 16, 2007 - 23:54 ET by MightyMouthOn other occasions you might feel less safe, but at least you would be capable of "feeling less safe" because you would have survived the ONE time you needed a fiream. Is that fair to say?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
That could be the way thing
April 17, 2007 - 00:03 ET by SeanStThat could be the way things happen. On the other hand, isn't it just as possible someone could get shot in a situation where they wouldn't have if those involved didn't have guns?
You may be right. I just don't see it as such a clear cut issue.
Seems kinda far fetched whe
April 17, 2007 - 00:10 ET by MightyMouthSeems kinda far fetched when everyone has the knowledge that all others are packin. Knowledge is power right?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Sean, I understand what you a
April 17, 2007 - 09:52 ET by The Real TonySean, I understand what you are saying but let me see if I can allay a common fear of those who don't understand or possibly fear armed citizens.
As someone who has a concealed carry permit, I can speak to this but please know that I am not a current or former LEO. When I have my weapon on my person, I am ever careful and cautious, possibly more so than my usual demeanor. Why, you may ask? For the very reason that you mention. It is far better to ignore and overlook minor items that happen to you. The weapon is there for defense, not offense. There is a higher duty of safety, care and responsibility when carrying. Should the need arise to save myself, my family or others, it is there to protect and defend. I think everyone who carries a concealed weapon will tell you the same type of thing. It's a personal but powerful responsibility.
It is criminals that act outrageously when they are armed; not the innocent person minding their own business. The power to potentially take another life is always present when I carry my weapon..along with the tremendous responsibility to be exceedingly careful. Thankfully I've never had to shoot anyone and I've only had one reason to pull it and point it and the situation ended peacefully but when I pulled it, it was because I was left with no other opportunity for escape and truly feared that my life was danger.
Having been spared death by the randomness of chance, a criminal's poor aim or by the grace of God on two separate occasions, I made the choice not to be helpless and to prepare to defend myself.
For those of us that live in states that allow carry in your car, there are certain protocols that must be followed even in a simple traffic stop; for my safety and the safety and comfort of the officer.
All of this is borne willingly, without reservation and fully cognizant of the responsibility that comes with carrying a weapon for self-defense. I'd venture to say that others who do feel the same way, but I also believe not a one of us would go back to not carrying a weapon either.
I'm mixed about open carry; sometimes I'm for it, sometimes not, but I truly believe that carrying a concealed weapon gives safety to the general public, as well as myself, as you never know who may be willing to stop a criminal because they can.
Fight Terrorism at home - defeat a liberal!
I won't "flame" you
April 16, 2007 - 23:51 ET by TeamcheeserI won't "flame" you, but I will ask you this: How do you know who has a concealed weapon RIGHT NOW? If you think the answer is zero... guess again.
Sorry, as I read my origina
April 16, 2007 - 23:57 ET by SeanStSorry, as I read my original post, I see that the way I accused people in advance of "probably flaming" was a bit insulting. I know there are many people on this web site who enjoy a good debate. I didn't mean for it to come out that way.
I any case, I see your point. To those of you who carry a concealed weapon, I respect your right to do so and certainly don't want the government to take it away from you.
I wasn't insulted at all and
April 17, 2007 - 00:22 ET by TeamcheeserI wasn't insulted at all and I never got the impression that you wanted the government to take away any of my rights. Your questions and comments are valid. I hope mine are as well.
You trust "average peo
April 17, 2007 - 00:16 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveYou trust "average people" driving automobiles around you every day. Automobiles kill more people than guns do in America every year. Cars are far more dangerous than guns--and cars are even operated by teenagers that have little to no experience. (H/T Walter E. Williams)
"I'd rather be bald than to pretend that I'm not!" --Mean Gene Dr. Love on comb-overs.
in everyday society cars ar
April 17, 2007 - 02:14 ET byin everyday society cars are necessery ..guns just are not.
You may think you have a poin
April 17, 2007 - 02:26 ET by Warner Todd HustonYou may think you have a point, but it is vapid.
So what if cars are more useful on a daily basis than guns?
There is no RELEVANCE to the point!
the relevence is that peopl
April 17, 2007 - 02:45 ET bythe relevence is that people dont usually kill people with cars deliberatly, they are called accidents, just like industrial workplace accidents, but guns ar made for HARMING people, if they were not invented, then some loony tune probably would , gop loon.
Some people need harming. O
April 17, 2007 - 02:52 ET by sarcasmoSome people need harming. Or killing. That's why victim disarmament laws are universally evil. Guns are just tools, and they're made for PROTECTING people, not harming them. Misuse like this and on this scale is only possible due to lefty college-campus victim disarmament rules, and now lefties like you are gonna try, with a media-bias assist, to make this tragedy into an argument for even MORE of the stupid victim disarmament laws that let it happen in the first place.
JMR
guns are made fer HARM not
April 17, 2007 - 02:56 ET byguns are made fer HARM not protection, any way cant be bothered with this im horny and going to bed, byee.
Then go advocate taking the
April 17, 2007 - 03:00 ET by sarcasmoThen go advocate taking them away from cops. And when you awaken, you'll probably be choosing another new NB screen name. Again.
JMR
YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH
April 17, 2007 - 03:06 ET byYOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH
And again I'm refuted. I'm
April 17, 2007 - 03:42 ET by sarcasmoAnd again I'm refuted. I'm inspired by such breathtaking command of the facts & "logic."
JMR
Ok, I'm breaking one of my ow
April 17, 2007 - 09:53 ET by The Real TonyOk, I'm breaking one of my own rules here but...you are an idiot, 7MS.
Fight Terrorism at home - defeat a liberal!
"7MS" is not-foun
April 17, 2007 - 10:01 ET by sarcasmo"7MS" is not-found. As-predicted. ;) Dude, for your next attempt/failure here, can you please substitute a "B" for the "M"? Thanks.
JMR
... again, differences withou
April 17, 2007 - 03:08 ET by Warner Todd Huston... again, differences without meaning. You aren't making any logical sense at all. Cars weren't made to kill, but they kill FAR more than do guns. Still, if the gun had never been invented, man would still kill his fellows. The gun is a meaningless part of the equation.
I think we're doing battle
April 17, 2007 - 03:24 ET by sarcasmoI think we're doing battle with an unarmed opponent, Warner. (Intelligent lefties do exist, it's a pity we seem to repel most of 'em!)
JMR
...but, but, UNARMED is how h
April 17, 2007 - 03:30 ET by Warner Todd Huston...but, but, UNARMED is how he WANTS it!! Oh, wait, not in the brain pan, huh? Ha, ha.
Right...
April 17, 2007 - 03:34 ET by Mr. BishopPrior to the invention of the firearm, mankind used weapons such as bows, crossbows, knives, swords, axes and various other sharp instruments to cause damage to their own, as well as to animals. Prior to the sharpening of these weapons, mankind used blunt instruments, such as rocks, sticks, or any combination of the two, in order to cause damage to their own, or animals.
A gun does not kill a person, anymore then a pencil makes a spelling mistake. Do you blame the pencil for that? Or, in your case, judging by your typing, I'd wager you must blame your keyboard for your spelling mistakes, no?
Guns are designed with one purpose, and one purpose only: Death. This much is true. However, it is the manner in which these tools are employed, that dictates their ultimate usage. A pistol, in my holster, is a tool of preservation and protection for my family, as well as deterrent to those who would do us harm. I do not have to use said firearm, for it to be effective. However, someone who would use a firearm against me, for any reason, would find a suitable replacement weapon, if a gun were not readily available.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
ROCKS... we need to ban ROCKS
April 17, 2007 - 03:38 ET by Warner Todd HustonROCKS... we need to ban ROCKS, I tells ya! We will be SO much safer if all those ROCKS are removed from the hands of the stupid people.
... and sharp sticks.
MAN are those dangerous.
Indeed
April 17, 2007 - 03:41 ET by Mr. BishopWhile you're at it... I am sick to death of paper cuts from envelopes.. all envelopes should be abolished without thought. Bills should become non-existant, as the mere existance of a bill, means the existance of an envelope.
And if anyone thinks that envelopes cannot be used as weapons... watch Jackass... those papercuts had to hurt.
"Stop global warming! Asphyxiate a liberal!" - Show us how far you're willing to go to stop "global warming"
-----Snap----- I’m sorry
April 17, 2007 - 04:32 ET by RDW-----Snap-----
I’m sorry Mr. Huston; This is Tantalus speaking, 7MS is one of my “personalities”. We have been working it out in therapy but occasionally… well occasionally, I start twitching and my dominate personality Tantalus...I... I think.... my therapist said something about dormant traits of passivity exhibited by Tantalus, that’s me, goes into a sleep and then the personality of 7MS emerges. It’s a hermaphrodite personality but it expresses my anger and childlike qualities of rebellion. I'm getting sleepy now and need to take my medicine. Thanks to all of you for your understanding.
I will do my best not to post again as 7MS, but if I do please understand that mental illness is a struggle.
Tantalus the insane.
What do they say about libera
April 17, 2007 - 04:37 ET by Warner Todd HustonWhat do they say about liberalism being a mental disease?
Ha, ha.
Ha , Ha, Ha, This is 7MS ,
April 17, 2007 - 04:41 ET by RDWHa , Ha, Ha, This is 7MS , I know who you really are, you are not fooling anyone Karl, mock me, I could care less, listen Rove your ruse is up I have finally, at last Got You---- Your mine!
Oops! Sorry Mr. Huston, The
April 17, 2007 - 04:58 ET by RDWOops! Sorry Mr. Huston, The pills haven’t started working yet. Ooh there they go, I'm feeling much better now.
Say good night Gracie. Good night Gracie.
Oh they most certainly are.
April 17, 2007 - 06:31 ET by liberal_bug_zapperOh they most certainly are. Guns are necessary to keep government in line. Without our right to bear arms, people like you would enslave us for the sake of your conscience and guilt and you would be beholden to your own cupidity to enact some sort of forced equality. Our guns would stop you.
You can walk, or run, or ride a bike. Cars are not a necessity. However, liberty (a.k.a. freedom) is a right which gives us the right to drive whatever we want... and that is what you liberals are trying to take away... our liberty. If we gave you our guns, the rest of our liberty would soon follow.
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"It's not that they're [liberals] not aware of all the things we're aware of, it's that they need to reject them in order to remain in this five-year-old utopia that they've been told is the only hope for mankind." ~ Evan Sayet
Gun Control
April 17, 2007 - 09:34 ET by pbanks7It's about time someone brought this up. It was the first thought that crossed my mind - How does someone on a student visa get a gun? Did he get it legally?
The gun control nuts never want to admit the facts about mass murder. The murder ends when the people with the guns take out the shooter.
My uncle, navy vet from the original USS Enterprise, the bugler no less, lived in Miami when it was the murder capital. He packed, and he taught his wife and daughter how to pack. He and his neighbor once apprehended a burglar without firing a shot. He didn't make the papers, imagine that.
The dirty little secret back in the 80's and 90's, when foreigners were getting carjacked in Florida, was that the carjackers knew the locals could pack in their car, so they targeted rental cars. MSM couldn't put 2+2 together there either.
Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.
I was listening to the loca
April 16, 2007 - 23:54 ET by AJI was listening to the local news and they had come onto my university's campus and were asking around for opinions from some of the students and one mentioned that campus security teams (probably at most if not all national universities) cannot carry guns. So if such an incident happens, who the heck is going to defend the innocent? As this student said (paraphrased) "what is a taser gun with limited range going to do against a guy with a .45-cal hand-gun or sawed-off 12-ga shotgun?" All he has to do is turn around and blow campus security forces away. Wow, thanks liberals, for making me feel that much (less) safer. You know, under a liberal agenda, I can picture America's police forces turning into European police forces. I'm not sure if this is true all over Europe but I know that many European policemen cannot carry guns by law. So when a bank robber is leaving the bank with $50,000, what is the near-by police going to do? Maybe if he says "stop... please!" enough times, the robber might feel sorry and surrender... maybe.
Not only those things, but I am an avid water-foul hunter and I'm not giving up my 12-ga Browning Semi-Automatic so easily. The libs will have to pry it from my cold, dead hands if they want "enforce gun control".
AJ...LOL!Maybe if they just t
April 17, 2007 - 00:01 ET by bigtimerAJ...LOL!
Maybe if they just throw in Pretty pretty please...that ought to do the trick!
Just ask a leftist.
And one other point I'd lik
April 17, 2007 - 00:02 ET by AJAnd one other point I'd like to make is, how is a gun-control law going to ultimate stop violence? What's not to say the guy just goes and buys a pin knife and starts cutting throats. And after the libs take knives away, the guy can start punching people to death. Are the libs going to take peoples fists away? It may sound a bit over the top, but my point is, the problem needs to be handled at the source. I agree with the fact that some people are angry because of the life-style they had growing up. One way to solve that is by enforcing laws that keep out the indecency of our society (like homosexuality and abortions) and return the power back to the parents who should be using their God-given right and ability to discipline their kids and keep them inline anyway.
I'm just waiting until they b
April 17, 2007 - 00:10 ET by bigtimerI'm just waiting until they blame this on Bush/Cheney.
Give them til morning.
Talking points ought to be ready 'bout then.
That would be the leftists I am talking about for those of you in Rio Linda.
Cheney quail hunting in Virgi
April 17, 2007 - 00:29 ET by TeamcheeserCheney quail hunting in Virginia?
Not even the Left is ugly enough to try to spin this against Bush/Cheney... right? I mean... right? (CRICKETS)
(MORE CRICKETS)
April 17, 2007 - 00:37 ET by Teamcheeser(MORE CRICKETS)
Team...ROFLMAO!Had to leave f
April 17, 2007 - 00:42 ET by bigtimerTeam...
ROFLMAO!
Had to leave for a bit and make lunches and I came back to this laughter...thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it! I tried
April 17, 2007 - 01:04 ET by TeamcheeserGlad you enjoyed it! I tried using crickets and a bullfrog to catch a Lefty blaming Bush/Cheney, but so far no takers.
I'm sure by morning we'll have ourselves a "catch".
I'm going to