When Sharpton Argued Degrading Comments Were Simply Free Speech


On his show tonight, Bill O’Reilly asked Al Sharpton if he was going to go after the rap music “stars” who consistently denigrate women and glamorize violence. The Rev told Bill that after “getting rid of Mr. Imus”, his National Action Network will “start looking” at some of the corporations that backed Imus. Sharpton claimed that some of those corporations also own some of the record companies. Sharpton told O’Reilly that this was “just the beginning of a long war” to deal with this type of language and behavior.

But in March 2005 Sharpton defended the content of rap music while condemning the violence surrounding the industry. He made it quite clear that it was “not about the lyrics” but the violence committed by the rap artists. Sharpton even went so far as to invoke the rap artists’ First Amendment rights to rap and sing about violent acts. Here is what Sharpton had to say in his March 9, 2005 interview on CNN...

I'm not talking about lyrics. I'm not talking about content. I'm talking about when an artist engages in violence that the FCC and advertising and radio stations have the right, as we do in sports, to say wait a minute, you cannot conduct yourself in that way, and say that you're going to use federally-regulated airwaves to promote your albums if you are, in fact, engaging in violence. Not singing about it, not rapping about it, but do a violent act.

And if they're going to rap about it and sing about it, they have the First Amendment right. But if they do it, they don't have the right then to expect the airwaves to say that it's conduct that we're going to promote.

They have the right to talk about the violence they come from. I come from that violence, but I do not have the right to go out and engage in violence, and then ask the federal airwaves to allow me to continue in my career like it's nothing.

Again now, I'm not talking about content. I'm talking about actual acts of violence. Are we condoning them by not putting a standard in the business?

In an April 2005 interview on Hannity and Colmes, Sharpton again defended the lyrics using the First Amendment.

HANNITY: You know what bothers me? You know, I guess there's a lot of ways in life that you can make money, Reverend Al. There's a lot of ways you can make money, but when you do it on human misery this way, it's just like some of the more violent rap lyrics that degrade women, degrade, you know, humanity the way they do. Refer to women the way they do. It's amazing to me that — why do people patronize, you know...

SHARPTON: I think the issue is patronage. I mean, I've said that I'm against rewarding people for violent acts. But people have the right to say what they want or do what they want. We also have the right to boycott it. The First Amendment also means you can...

So degrading women by word is protected by the First Amendment if the words are part of Rap Music lyrics? It’s okay to use the “N-word” as long as it is in rap music format? If Imus had "rapped" his comments would there still be an uproar? Would Sharpton defend the statements using the First Amendment excuse? Would Sharpton still be calling for getting rid of Imus?

The hypocrisy underwhelms me…


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Was this the real agenda all along?

Well, it didn't take long, but we went quickly from Imus to Corporations.

Now it's not Imus that's the problem but the "Corporation" that put him on. Why is that?

Because at first it was just a white guy making bigoted remarks.

Sane people said "Why condemn Imus when Rap music is much more vile?"

So the next line of "reasoning" becomes, let's get rid of the Coroporations that do this rap music thing.

So what are the lib/race baiters saying "Rappers can say whatever they want because the fault really lie with the Corporations which we need to control and/or shut down".

Once again, no personal responsibility for those on the left.

Corporations

exLib, Sharpton and Jackson are just out for their usual M.O...... EXTORTION/$$$$$!!! Nothing more. It was about $$$ from the start. You can read these two creeps like book!!

"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER

Sharpton on Oreilly

Rev. Sharpton called Bernie Goldberg arrogant for raising very real African American societal questions (Hip hop and illigitimacy rate) saying Bernie is "outside" and "not involved in any of it".   We are all involved.  Rev. Sharpton is just telling the rest of America "Shut up and pay the tab"? Attacking the messenger rather than addressing the issue was a  pusillanimous dodge.

One of Bill's least edifyin

One of Bill's least edifying traits is his misguided sucking up to bonafide racist Al Sharpton, and treating him as if he has anything interesting to say.

Imagine anyone saying to Alphonso, hey it's pretty arrogant of you to pass comment on any 'white folks.'

I think. Therefore I am -- NOT a lib***l.

Jack, I don't think the iss

Jack, I don't think the issue is whether Al Sharpton has anything "interesting" to say. I think the issue is does he have anything "substantive" to say?

And in the previous reply, there is mention of Sharpton saying Bernie Goldberg has no right to comment on the black culture of hip-hop and violence etc. That's typical Sharpton: you're not black, so shut up.

Blacks grew up with violence, so they are entitled to be crude, vulgar, insulting, abusive and violent to women, in their music?

Well, excuse the hell out of me!

yep m-belt. better word.I t

yep m-belt. better word.

I think. Therefore I am -- NOT a lib***l.

I usually change the channel

I usually change the channel at the sight of Sharpton and Jackson but I watched Bill last night hoping he would do a "NO SPIN" segment will Sharpton.
I was very disappointed with B.O.

O'Reilly

Nick,  I wrote on the O'Rielly feedback zone that they should name the show the Sharpton Factor when he is on the show.

Glenn Beck

Glenn Beck threw Hymietown up to Sharpton but balked at asking him about Tawanna.  Reckon that subject was off limits as a condition of appearance?

Equivalent units

The White equivalent of Al Sharpton is David Duke

 I don't see why MSM continue to raise him to the level of spokesman, much less Pope of all things African American.

If being a "Black Leader" was

If being a "Black Leader" was performance based occupation Al & Jessie would have been FIRED 20 years ago!!!!!!!

Nick, you gotta admit...the

Nick, you gotta admit...they do perform. Their whole identity is a performance.

How about reading,writing,dro

How about reading,writing,dropout rate,children out of wedlock,incarceration rate.....????

AKon Featuring Snoop Dogg rem

AKon Featuring Snoop Dogg remix version of their number one song "I wanna Love you".
This is the version that the kids have on the IPOD "I Wanna F*ck You"

http://www.youtube.c...
(Follow the lyrics on the screen)

AKon has collaborated on several top ten hits and Snoop Dogg was side by side with Lee Iacocca in a Chrysler commercial. Snoop Dogg openly talks about being a "pimp" with a stable of "hoes".

We can only hope the MSM will be able to tell us how much money has been paid to Sharpton and Jacksons organizations by the company's that pulled their advertizing from the MSNBC broadcast.

MSNBC pulls IMUS yet spends ALL morning talking about IMUS
I am not an IMUS fan!

Nick, are you white? If yo

Nick, are you white? If you are, according to Sharpton, you have no right to criticize that (btw I checked it out, it's disgusting, didn't make it to the end).

Apparently, that's the kind of atmosphere these guys grew up in, so they have the right to rap and sing about it, and you can just shut the hell up.

Is there any depth Sharpton will not sink to, to dedend this garbage?

Am I White....NO...I'm Lemon

Am I White....NO...I'm Lemon Chiffon....lol.

So now Imus is a conservati

So now Imus is a conservative. I got an e-mail from Media Matters with this statement from their CEO

"By canceling their simulcast
of Don Imus on MSNBC, the National Broadcasting Company has finally done the
right thing. We hope CBS Radio will again follow NBC's lead.

More and more Americans are coming to
understand the damage done by major news organizations providing a platform for
bigoted commentary and other conservative misinformation, and they are
demanding change. MSNBC's decision is an important step in the
right direction.

This decision sends a clear message
to other networks, journalists and media personalities that bigotry and hate
speech have no place on America's
airwaves.

The cable networks would be well
advised to think twice about their broadcasting decisions in the future. It is
our hope that this will open a larger dialogue on the overall tone of the
media
today."

You nailed it Robyn. This is really scary.

Sorry for the format - when I cut and paste on NB with firefox it puts line breaks in strange places.

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Do we know the time-line from

Do we know the time-line from when Imus made the remarks to when the MSM sunk their teeth into this.
Wasn't this a Media Matters driven crusade??? Every broadcaster should be shaking in their boots. Anytime,any day "YOU" can be the target of this internet driven crusade.

nick - I know this is scary

nick - I know this is scary. And now they are threatening even Cable channels. If they can go after cable they can go after satalite radio. Does that mean Howard Stern will be next?

The Satellite-Hampton's-Howar

The Satellite-Hampton's-Howard Stern Show has become a friend to the left. Robin is far-far-left these days.
I'm not sure how Artie has flown under the radar though. Take away fag,queer,homo and he has no act. Checkout his Letterman,Conan and Kimmel appearances on youtube.

Nick - Imus was a friend to

Nick - Imus was a friend to the left also - he was their sacrificial lambs because it's all for the greater good.

Yes but Imus is no fan of Hil

Yes but Imus is no fan of Hilary and he did blast Chucky Schummer in a on air interview recently and he did have guest from the Right on.

He might have been the least liberal thing on MSNBC....imagine that...lol.

So don't-listen. It's not l

So don't-listen. It's not like Sirius has no other choices, including far-right choices, defend-Bush-on-anything no-matter how stupid choices, etc. You don't just have an off button with Sirius, you have a better knob than humanity has ever seen to change the channel, but you instead bitch about Howard Stern & co. having a political opinion. Why??
JMR

sarcasmo - I think he's jus

sarcasmo - I think he's just saying that Howard is safe because he's a lefty. My point is that even cable and satellite are not safe anymore.

Oh, I'm absolutely sure you

Oh, I'm absolutely sure you're right, but the censors coming for Sirius and cable aren't just from the left, as I continually point-out around here. ALL of them are equally-dangerous and dishonest, IMO. And so far in his career, Howard's politics sure as HELL haven't protected him one bit from big government, have they??? I mean, that's why I'm HERE in the first place, to get in L. Brent Bozell's face after he participated in that ill-fated & impotent (from a Howard''$ $alary POV) big-government worship-fest. You may think Howard's somehow protected, but I remain unconvinced. For me, "protection" is 100% defunding the censors.
JMR

sarcasmo - they are not equ

sarcasmo - they are not equally dangerous because the left is trying to silence political speech - that leads us to an environment like Cuba. Censoring profanity still allows people to criticize the censorship and try to change it. If you cut off conservatives way of communicating to the masses and only have liberals able to that's a lot more dangerous.

I think we can agree to dis

I think we can agree to disagree on this one. I'm sort of a First Amendment absolutist, so for me ANY censorship is "a turd in the punchbowl," no matter if it's politically-correct censorship for a particular crowd's political gratification. But I understand your argument, and I understand how you & people like you can feel that way. I'd like to hope you understand mine. Think about how a creative lawyer could define "profanity," for example, if the meaning of "is" has been called into question, seriously, during the past decade...
JMR

Sarcasmo - I do understand

Sarcasmo - I do understand yours and I have mixed emotions about censoring profanity. I don't think words should be censored but nudity and sex should be. If you are allowed to say "F****" you on the street you should be able to say it on the air and let the marketplace decide what they want to here.  With nudity, people can't  walk around in public nude so you shouldn't be able to use public airwaves for it either. If it's on cable, movies, satellite, those are different.

Even though I agree with you that no words should be censored I'm still much more fearful of political speech being censored

Thanks. For me, anything's

Thanks. For me, anything's a camel's nose under the tent. The political speech censorship is another camel-organ, which enters the tent later in the control freaks' plans...
JMR

I hate to break it to you but

I hate to break it to you but I am a refugee from the democratic party. I was forced to the Right by the Far-Left.
Each day Robin does the select news. That is where no democrat ever does anything wrong. Kind of like Rosie, Robin just repeats what she hears on NPR or Air America.
And Howard reads a NYT article and suddenly he is an expert.

AFAIK, and I've listened da

AFAIK, and I've listened daily to maybe 80% of shows (and the News at the end is my favorite part so I rarely miss any of that) Robin HAS NOT covered this political hypocrites + porn in Heather Wilson's district fer heavensakes story, for example. And I've heard them make fun of Democrats at times, and they made merciless fun of Sharpton over the past few days, so maybe you've already changed the channel and don't know it?? It seems like we're listening to different shows, but again, if I were you I'd explore the rest of Sirius, which is something I've not done enough myself!
JMR

Let me clarify. When I say De

Let me clarify. When I say Democrat I mean a politician.
Sharpton is a full time race bater.

What has been said on the Stern Show about Rosie's 9/11 conspiracy rants or Rosie accusing the Good guys (US/Britain) of serving up their sailors to be captured by Iran so that we can go to war with them...??????????

Robin does NOT do story's that highlight corrupt or flip-flopping Democrats.

Ok - just for clarification N

Ok - just for clarification Nick is talking about Stern's Robin not me... :-)

Nice to meet you Robin. I am

Nice to meet you Robin. I am big fan of your show ;) on public access television in NYC...lol.

Since when have hose anuses a

Since when have those anuses at Media matters had a clue about anything?

They are like the rest of the hypocritical left.  They are all for free speech when people produce "artworks" that defile a crucifix by immersing it in urine or put elephant dung on a portrait of the Virgin Mary.  As soon as someone gores one of their sacred cows, they howl like banshees.

NL207 - so true - but the s

NL207 - so true - but the scary thing is that they are having an impact. It's outrageous that the FCC is looking into it. All I can say is if "Ho" and "Nappy Head" are added to the list of words that are not allowed on the airwaves then the rappers will have a lot of beebs in their songs.

Banshees!

Are you making a thinly veiled racist remark?

Who you calling banshee?

LOL Riled One - Let's ban b

LOL Riled One - Let's ban banshee from the airwaves also.

William Hung

Shee Ban, Shee Ban

Ban Sheehan? Okay then!

Ban Sheehan? Okay then!

BanSheeHan

You're at least 3 moves ahead of me.  I concede

Hi again Dee...Finally ran in

Hi again Dee...

Finally ran into what you were talking about on the other thread this morning.

I see what you mean...at least we are on the same page about this all!

Thanks for this info. too....says a lot doesn't it...by the way Paul Waldman was on again since we have posted earlier yammering his plans on msnbc again against Craig Crawford's point of view.

He is a scary piece of work.

Sharpton/Jackson were just us

Sharpton/Jackson were just used...easily...the bloody fools.

I will be so glad when this whole ordeal is over...beware conservative broadcasters...Media Matters has 13 more of you on their list...LOL!

Rush/BOR/Hannity/...to name just a few.

Just got so ticked off--

Just got so ticked off--about Flaton (Sharpton) that I sent O'Reilly a challenge to run a poll to see if his viewers want to watch sharpton. Told him he was lending legitimacy to a phony. Let's hear it for Tawana Sharpton.

Where ’s the coward that would not dare to fight for such a land?

Sir Walter Scott