Sometimes, TV news stars have very short historical memories. Take Harry Smith, host of The Early Show on CBS. In Wednesday's "Capital Bob" segment with Bob Schieffer, Smith suggested the squabbling between the White House and Congress is at an all-time low in togetherness. He wondered if at any time in "recent history" there's been such a desperate impasse. Earth to Harry: remember the Bill Clinton impeachment of 1998?
You had to at least smile that Smith would suggest that Bob Schieffer's experienced much more than merely "recent history" in his long career at CBS:
SMITH: Well, let's talk about this a little bit, because the White House, you know, pulled no punches last week when Nancy Pelosi went to the Middle East. I mean, they were absolutely incensed by this. In your time in Washington, in recent history anyway, have you ever seen a situation where the legislative branch and the executive branch seemed to be so at odds?
SCHIEFFER: Well, certainly back during the Vietnam era, we saw much the same thing, and finally, in the end the Congress did cut off the funds...
Is that the way they see unfolding history at CBS now, that soon they can say with some relief that Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats "finally" cut off the funds to sustain the mission in Iraq?



















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They shut down the government
April 11, 2007 - 22:59 ET by KC MulvilleThey shut down the government during Clinton's term. You can't get much more of an impasse than that.
Political parties make this inevitable. Madison’s original scheme was to balance power between branches of government, not between political parties. (Note that the constitution never mentions parties … ever.) Branches of government are better suited to balance because they can’t be defeated. Parties can overwhelm each other, but branches can’t. There will still be a president and a Congress, no matter who wins elections. That forces cooperation, whereas parties force division. Madison had a great scheme, but we haven’t used it since Jefferson stopped talking to Adams.
Game theory reveals how political parties work, and game theory predicts every lesson we see played out in Washington. Political parties always hold out the hope that if they overwhelm the opposition, they can impose decisions without interference. That thirst for unopposed power is what drives political parties to resist cooperation. The parties think that if they can hold ranks, and form a unified bloc, they can win all the branches. In every election, they hope to be the winner-take-all. Of course, game theory shows that when perfect unanimity is required, each individual acquires veto power over the whole. (Thus, Republicans resent John McCain.) Unity breaks down. And when parties don’t win everything, they try to hold ranks until the next election, undermining their opponents at every chance, like now. Carville and Begala live for this. All that matters is the next election; governing will have to wait.
The irony is that the thirst for unopposed power drives the parties into equilibrium. The back and forth flow eventually creates a stasis. Now they’re stuck in cement, and they can’t break out. So they spit at each other. That’s all they have left. Harry Smith and Bob Schieffer have been seeing this for decades. It's inevitable.
They shut down the governme
April 12, 2007 - 06:25 ET by motherbeltThey shut down the government during Clinton's term. --KCMulville
Wrong, KC, they didn't shut down the government, Clinton did. They sent him a budget. It wasn't what he wanted, so he stamped his foot and refused to sign it, so the funding didn't get approved in time. But he claimed the Republican Congress shut it down by not giving him what he wanted, and his "willing accomplices in the media" (as Rush calls them) went along with it and every day talked about how the Republicans shut down the government. And soon it became conventional wisdom.
...if you repeat a lie often
April 12, 2007 - 06:34 ET by gfrrman...if you repeat a lie often enough and the MSM is on your side.........
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
I am still wondering of Might
April 12, 2007 - 07:46 ET by ucI am still wondering of Mighty KC of Mulville (Mudville) and whether he was talking of Clintonites shutting down the government or Republicans??? Has the mighty KC struck out?
Did you hear: Now that Pelosi is back her husband is safely saying Saddam Hussein is not trying to get uranium from Canada.
Thank you all for reminding me of 1998 as it was the year I moved to DC and a year that had me with some extra time to do some Potomac fishing across the river from Mount Vernon. I have to check the years but I still wonder if all the times I read "Meet George Washington" in elementary school whether I read it each time a Clinton and a Rodman law student at the time may have walked by my childhood home.
Who says Jefferson has stoppe
April 12, 2007 - 07:48 ET by ucWho says Jefferson has stopped talking to Adams?
How is Cheryl Crows "Abstinance reduces your carbon footprint" tour going?
First off I am not a troll bu
April 12, 2007 - 08:28 ET by ahusserFirst off I am not a troll but a very conservative guy and a Republican, but I was pissed at the Republican leadership in Congress when the Government shut down. They knew going in that they didn't have the votes to override the veto. Maybe they felt good about going down in flames in a noble cause, I don't know. But the dems with the MSM always on their side turned that event into a Republican public relations fiasco as usual. Republicans, to their detriment, believe that the truth of an issue will win out. It doesn't. Playing hardball does. Republican's ignore the ruthlessness of the other party and the MSM at their peril and must learn to counteract or go around them.
Around here and othre places
April 12, 2007 - 10:42 ET by Dan The Man 2Around here and othre places people, including me, get suspicious of a person imediately claiming not to be something or another. In paraphrasing the Bible "Let your word be your word and do not swear to be something else", in otherwords let your post be your testament to who and waht you are. Many claim not to be who they are in posting, in my recent memory tumbler is one of those.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
OK, I'm not going to fight th
April 12, 2007 - 09:06 ET by KC MulvilleOK, I'm not going to fight this one. The context was whether Washington has ever been this divided, and it occurred to me that a government shutdown was clearly a worse situation than today. That's all I had in mind. If I didn't describe this in politically correct terms, I'm not going to fight that.
But I have to say, I was hoping my theory about how Madison's original scheme was replaced with a party system would have attracted more argument. To me, that's a far more interesting discussion than how I described the shutdown.
Then again, it was a (relatively) long post, it's morning, and maybe my theory just doesn't interest anyone else. Oh well, that's life in the opinion market.
Dear KCI apologise. I wasn't
April 12, 2007 - 09:44 ET by ahusserDear KC
I apologise. I wasn't trying to dis you or correct you. The post reminded me of how blind the Republicans can be sometimes and how angry I was at the shutdown. I went off thread. It is my opinion that the Dems are flexing their muscles after regaining power in Congress. Bitter divisiveness is the result. But we have short memories and Clintons Presidency, the second worst in history after Jimmy Carter's (my opinion) was extremely divisive. Maybe more acrimonious than now. I am sure the civil war congress was probably the most divisive and acrimonious ever.
Absolutely no need to apologi
April 12, 2007 - 09:52 ET by KC MulvilleAbsolutely no need to apologize.
I hope I live long enough to
April 11, 2007 - 23:07 ET by bigtimerI hope I live long enough to see the day when the media is really somewhat fair and balanced.
Just somewhat would be nice.
I am ready to scream with these leftists enemies within patting each other on the backs....
Vietnam has been the secret code word used over and over and over to achieve their goals...problem is they do not realize there are a lot of us out here that remember the media well and how they used it for their agenda...how our men were treated ect...well they achieved their agenda with Cronkite leading the way, the venues are different now with communication, they are too blind to see it.
Fools, communistic fools.
Strike one for the White Ho
April 12, 2007 - 06:09 ET by Jack BauerStrike one for the White House...
See how quickly Democrats cave when you stand up to them. You just gotta laugh. Alias Smith & Jones a.k.a. Butch Pelosi and the Sundunce Kid.
Maybe she really IS "t
April 12, 2007 - 06:30 ET by motherbeltMaybe she really IS "the most powerful woman in America." Or maybe
that's Harry Reid. Either way, they are telling the President they
will talk with him on THEIR schedule, not his.
When will the President realize that they read every effort of his at "biparitsanship" as weakness? Will he soon have to consult them before he goes to the bathroom?
Republicans never, never learn.
I am curious, and if anyone c
April 12, 2007 - 08:36 ET by ahusserI am curious, and if anyone can enlighten me please do, what was the strategy behind Pelosi's trip to Syria? She must have had strategy meeting with staff and other members of Congress. My best guess is she was attempting to upstage the President, embarrass him and show that their party is in charge . Already her pretty much disasterous trip has been forgotten by the MSM. Any outrage over her arguably traitorous acts has already been omitted and muted by the usual suspects (MSM).
Speaking of the Impeachment
April 12, 2007 - 11:03 ET by Gary HallSpeaking of the Impeachment Tim, it strikes me that the media should remember from time to time who created that mess. While there was and will always continue to be a lively debate about the politics of the proceedings vs. the mood (politics) of the media (here-in-after the mood of the people), perhaps no one said it better than the much adored, by the media, Sen. Robert Byrd, D., W.VA. His comments on the floor of the Senate addressing the Chief Justice (my bold):
Note: Byrd is loved, and sought out, by the media when he speaks against Bush; however, when he spoke out aginst Clinton the media did not know that he was alive. Same for war. When Byrd spoke in favor of US military action (Iraq, Kosovo, etc.) during the Clinton years; often calling for unilateral US action, while critizing the rest of the world, especially Europe, the media ignored him. As soon as Bush came to town, Byrd became a pacifist and an avid Bush hater -- and yes, the media found him.