The UK’s Telegraph reported that the BBC cancelled a 90-minute drama about the youngest surviving winner of the UK’s highest award for valor because “it feared it would alienate members of the audience opposed to the war in Iraq.” The BBC blocked the project that would have honored the incredible bravery and resilience of Private Johnson Beharry, a man who didn’t hesitate to risk his own life two separate times for his fellow soldiers. His Victoria Cross citation reads like a blockbuster Hollywood action script, but instead, it’s the real deal. Sounds uplifting and encouraging, and it could even be a real morale booster, right? Well, for the Beeb, that’s the problem (emphasis mine throughout):
For the BBC, however, his story is "too positive" about the conflict.
The corporation has cancelled the commission for a 90-minute drama about Britain's youngest surviving Victoria Cross hero because it feared it would alienate members of the audience opposed to the war in Iraq.
Story Continues Below Ad ↓The BBC's retreat from the project, which had the working title Victoria Cross, has sparked accusations of cowardice and will reignite the debate about the broadcaster's alleged lack of patriotism.
A project insider exposed what many people have suspected about the BBC, which notoriously refuses to use the term terrorist to avoid making “value judgments”:
"The BBC has behaved in a cowardly fashion by pulling the plug on the project altogether," said a source close to the project. "It began to have second thoughts last year as the war in Iraq deteriorated. It felt it couldn't show anything with a degree of positivity about the conflict.
"It needed to tell stories about Iraq which reflected the fact that some members of the audience didn't approve of what was going on. Obviously a story about Johnson Beharry could never do that. You couldn't have a scene where he suddenly turned around and denounced the war because he just wouldn't do that.
"The film is now on hold and it will only make it to the screen if another broadcaster picks it up."
The BBC wouldn’t even show a positive story about a soldier because it interfered with the political message they wanted to send. They are clearly defining what they value, and it shows they are willing to give up good entertainment simply because it goes against their world view. The article then touched on the growing belief that the BBC only cares about negative stories about Iraq:
The BBC's decision to pull out will only confirm the fears of critics that television drama is only interested in telling bad news stories about the war.
The Ministry of Defence recently expressed concern about Channel 4's The Mark of Cain which showed British troops brutalising Iraqi detainees. That programme was temporarily pulled from the schedules after Iran detained 15 British troops
So, positive stories about Iraq are out and negative stories are in. Sounds like the US. There is social power in the entertainment side of the TV business, and the industry and the activists know it. The power of imagination and good writing can subtly influence in ways that lectures and screaming cannot.
If there is any doubt that Beharry’s story should be told, read his citation in a BBC article that describes his amazing heroism (back when the BBC wasn’t worried about the “wrong” message that a positive story about Iraq could send), or read a less detailed summary in this Telegraph article.



















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April 11, 2007 - 20:49 ET by gfrrmanUN-F*#@!NG-BELIEVABLE!!!!!!!
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
The MSM truly is ABSOLUTE SCU
April 11, 2007 - 20:53 ET by TruthMongerThe MSM truly is ABSOLUTE SCUM, are they not...?
Negative
April 11, 2007 - 20:59 ET by gfrrmanNo bias though. ALL NEGATIVE, ALL THE TIME!!! 24/7/365. Nah, no bias here....keep moving along. "Too positive"......LMFAO!!!
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
Having watched Auntie Beeb fo
April 12, 2007 - 08:45 ET by ltcolusmcretHaving watched Auntie Beeb for over two years, while serving as a DA Civ in Deutschland, nothing about this is unbelieveable. The BBC is totally biased towards the west, capitalism, the miltary and anything to do with the USA. The newsprogandistcasters are arrogant and complete shills for Islamists, communists and socialists.
Yes, they are true scum. The
April 11, 2007 - 21:01 ET by mostlymoderateYes, they are true scum. The MSM made up its mind a long time ago that the terrorists should win. The enemy within.
I am outraged!Screaming OUTRA
April 11, 2007 - 21:06 ET by bigtimerI am outraged!
Screaming OUTRAGE!
Screw the BBC and all the communist networks...
It is time for war ...a major war with the media, not just here but....world-wide!
The enemy within have to go..they do not speak for us out here in the real world...how in the f#ck dare they!
Who int the world do they think gave their blimey arses the right to even spew their communistic views, trying to enforce it on all of us...whether it is by keeping stories mum, or lying about them, spinning, skewing them to suit their filthy evil purposes for their agenda of one socialist world...
It is time for WAR with them!
BTIt only goes to show how fa
April 11, 2007 - 21:18 ET by Airforce_5_OBT
It only goes to show how far the MSM will go to show the war in a negative light.
Also IMO they don't want to anger there Muslim population by telling the truth about the terrorist of the insurgence.
Reduce the U.S. Carbon Footprint. Send Rosie to Iran. Airforce_5_O 04/04/2007
AF...I am so furious I can ba
April 11, 2007 - 21:29 ET by bigtimerAF...
I am so furious I can barely treat my keyboard right...I am fuming mad!
I hope this gets attention...this is much more important for the world to know!
I know there are other things but the power of the press making sure we lose this war has got to stop...and to top that off to not air the great kudos to this fine young man...this has got to stop!
This is where it makes me mad all over again about the NYT's and WaPo getting away with divulging classified info to intentionally hurt us during war with other countries too no less that were helping us and what did they give Dana Priestess...a PULITZER...when she should be behind bars for releasing classified info on the secret prisons for the enemy, endangering men working undercover and the other countries themselves, the NYTs and their crap with NSA's it goes on and on...Gonzales at the Justice Dept. doing absolutely nothing about this...
ON and on...I am furious!
Lynn...thanks for this info though...and my blood pressure exploding!
McCain
April 11, 2007 - 21:29 ET by iveseenitallMcCain isn't my man for President, but the speech he just made at a military academy was magnificent. He called for backing the war and told of the consequences of defeat. Furthermore, he slammed Democrats for cheering while they passed the withdrawal legislation and he wondered out loud why they would celebrate our surrender. He said that the only others cheering are our enemeies in Iraq. Nice to finally see some straight talk from a patriot who threw away his politician's cap and spoke from his heart. Now, of course, bring in the MSM to condemn him. They, along with all lefties, want America and the world to lose. Liberals stink.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
isia...I heard that speech to
April 11, 2007 - 21:42 ET by bigtimerisia...
I heard that speech too...it was absolutely magnificent as you say...and he said it all about the Senate and the cheering, I watched it, the media said nothing, I was fuming then, it was so pathetic.
Too bad McCain sold out the conservatives years ago...I'd vote for him in a minute flat for his stance on the war...if it comes down to it I would again...if it comes down to it that is.
He had the media against him now....wonder how he feels with the friends he used to think he had with his straight talk express...they went poof...kind of like what happened to Imus...friends are a dime a dozen...until it gets down and dirty in real life...then you are lucky to have a handful.
agree
April 11, 2007 - 21:48 ET by iveseenitallBT:
I agree! And I think America has a friend in McCain. Refreshing.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
Big, Jeez, You act like
April 11, 2007 - 22:07 ET by 01-20-09Big,
Jeez,
You act like they canceled the Super Bowl. Just a few nuts are for the lied about war.
You should be watching Katie Couric more. Get a clue.
Oh my Little One......as soon
April 11, 2007 - 22:20 ET by bigtimerOh my Little One..
....as soon as they let you out of your play-pen and you quit watching reruns of Romper Room..maybe you can wander on over to the sand-box with pail and shovel in hand and bury yourself in it....
Head first.
01,"Lied about war?&qu
April 11, 2007 - 23:12 ET by MBConserv01,
"Lied about war?" I'll send an email to John Kerry, I am sure he will appreciate you calling him a liar before he decides to condemn it, and I'll cc Hillary, what do you think of that?
"Before I refuse to take your questions...I have a statement.." Ronald Reagan
Jeez... So I guess you don'
April 12, 2007 - 04:20 ET by Jack BauerJeez... So I guess you don't really support the troops at all. Just a lotta nutz who lied about supporting the troops.
Jeez, like we are all surprised.
Oh crap!Not another useless t
April 12, 2007 - 07:37 ET by ghotifunOh crap!
Not another useless troll!
Yet again a perfect example of libs not being able/capable of using facts for a meaningful debate on issues.
Here's a hint, oh dated one:
Before you get on THIS site, have your ducks in a row or you WILL be eaten alive!
Otherwise, please, don't waste our time and broadband space...
Oh, its the troll that I am a
April 12, 2007 - 10:45 ET by BDOh, its the troll that I am allowed to feel superior to his WHOLE Ivy League family.
As a troll, you are authorized to ask three questions before we pass over your bridge. What are they?
What is the air-speed velocit
April 12, 2007 - 11:17 ET by Dan The Man 2What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
African or European Swallow?
April 12, 2007 - 11:46 ET by BDAfrican or European Swallow?
Amen Bigtimer. I could not ha
April 11, 2007 - 22:53 ET by Independence4AllAmen Bigtimer. I could not have said it any better myself.
First PBS, and now this? The week isn't even over yet. Just when you think it can't get worse, it does. What ticks me off even more is they are openly flaunting it. They don't even trouble themselves with denying their bias/agenda anymore! Thats how smug they are.
As ridiculous as.......as out
April 11, 2007 - 21:26 ET by NeoConfirmedAs ridiculous as.......as outrageous as........as sad as......
This story is. There's one thing it's not. Surprising.
The BBC has been a socialistic membrane burner for decades. The loudest voices in Britian had been screaming for the head of Blair from the moment the first bombs dropped in Baghdad. Angry public response to Iran kicking them in the crotch by snatching their enlisted was pathetically below pathetic. And the BBC was there every step of the way, willing to give every country the benefit of the doubt except us.
Yes folks, their decision was wrong. But these are the people would air 'Osama:This Is Your Life' without seeing a pilot.
I am speechless. I hope more
April 11, 2007 - 21:34 ET by mostlymoderateI am speechless. I hope more people wake up and realize what we are up against in this World.
wow!
April 11, 2007 - 21:35 ET bywow!
How French
April 11, 2007 - 21:43 ET by acumenHow.....how do you say? French
What is even more outrageous
April 11, 2007 - 21:50 ET by jdhawkWhat is even more outrageous is here at home there are no articles in our major "news" outlets, books, or movies that depict the men and women of our armed forces as heroes. Where are the stories, that certainly have occurred, about daring do, bravery in the face of insurmountable odds, compassion for the sick, malnourished, and poverty stricken, and the wonderful rebuilding that is going on Iraq at the skilled hands of countrymen and women?
What a far cry from the days of WWII, where every mogul in Hollywood was either involved in the war effort itself or turning out epic war movies with Hollywood's who's who as the main protagonists. Every actor was had either enlisted and served or like their mogul counterparts were involved in some way through their talents in aiding the successful conclusion of the war.
Newspaper and magazine editors and writers of that day made their names justly glorifying the brave men and women of that era.
Today, it is just the opposite. The moguls, the actors and actresses, the editors and their scribblers regularly seek to denigrate, embarrass, or simply demoralize our fighting men and women. They are despicable.
all too true
April 11, 2007 - 21:52 ET byall too true
jdhawk...All true and sad...I
April 11, 2007 - 22:02 ET by bigtimerjdhawk...
All true and sad...I have posted that too...this is just too much, it hit me just right tonight...I have had it with these enemies within here and world-wide...just had it.
We have to stop this...somehow!
No body can stop them. You
April 11, 2007 - 22:20 ET by Sonny LykosNo body can stop them. You people keep forgetting the "ignorant masses" whose ..... well, ignorance will be the death of America. And it started years ago. Compare the 50s to now.
I fear it will only get worse
April 11, 2007 - 22:35 ET by contraryI fear it will only get worse. The only way to stop these F**kers is to boot their asses out of power. This would require a revolution of sorts. Both culturally, and economically.
You're exactly right, jdhawk.
April 11, 2007 - 22:27 ET by GalvanicYou're exactly right, jdhawk. The MSM gave us the stories of Jessica Lynch and Abu Ghraib, because it fit their agenda. There have been many heroes in the wars in Afghanstan and Iraq, but instead of being household names --- Americans to be admired for their service and sacrifice --- they are faceless and anonymous.
Pathetic.
Breaking! BBC buys rights to Iran movie.
April 11, 2007 - 23:10 ET by mastersofdeceitI wouldn't be surprised to see the BBC (plug) first in line to buy the rights to the upcoming Iranian movie about the 15 Brit hostages.
You know because we need to have dialogue and get the other side and all that, Cheerio!!
" Churchill said the English Navy was built on rum, sodomy and the lash, apparently the rum and the lash are gone."-Savage
Here is another example of ho
April 12, 2007 - 02:18 ET by upcountrywaterHere is another example of how serious the MSM is in projecting their WORTHLESS view.
Cancel your cable tv, use internet and radio for all of your information use. AVOID paying these F**K*Rs any of your money.
Lets keep rejoicing as their stock prices fall.
We all must move away from this monopoly.
For years I've heard people s
April 12, 2007 - 05:40 ET by BAUHAUSFor years I've heard people saying the US will not excist in 50 years. I always argued against this, but with a media like this I've lost my doubts.
My advice as a European to you is: Stop watching and reading American Mass Media. Go international.
On the 4 anniversary of the Iraq War a Swedish Newspaper wrote this:
"It's not the Americans and the Britons who are to blame for insurgents attacks, it's Al Qaida."
Has any of your MSM ever wrote a sentence like this?
BAUHAUS
April 12, 2007 - 05:49 ET by gfrrman""It's not the Americans and the Britons who are to blame for insurgents attacks, it's Al Qaida."
Has any of your MSM ever wrote a sentence like this?
BAUHAUS, the answer is NO. It doesn't fit the MSMs/or Democrat party agenda here in the U.S. They are one and the same.
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
My advice as a European to
April 12, 2007 - 06:29 ET by Jack BauerYou mean like the al-BBC, the al-Guardian, the al-Independent, and assorted other Brit leftwing rags?
I suggest to my American buddies, they do not read that shite.
Unless they want to stroke out almost immediately. If there's one thing worse than your own BIG MEDIA attacking your country, it's someone else's BIG Media attacking your country.
Did European BAUHAUS
April 12, 2007 - 06:41 ET by gfrrmanDid he European BAUHAUS read the above article from the BBC???!!! Geez
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
You mean like the al-BBC, the
April 12, 2007 - 10:41 ET by BAUHAUSYou mean like the al-BBC, the al-Guardian, the al-Independent, and assorted other Brit leftwing rags?
No. I was talking about newspapers like the Swedish one I quoted.
You're aware that Europe has more than only British newspaper, aren't you?
You are aware that American
April 12, 2007 - 10:45 ET by Jack BauerYou are aware that most Americans speak English and not Swedish aren't you?
Or French, German, Italian, Greek, Flemish, Spanish, Danish, Norwegian, Finnish, Slav, Portugeuse, Polish, etc
Oh really? I didn't know that
April 12, 2007 - 11:36 ET by BAUHAUSOh really? I didn't know that Americans aren't able to learn a different language.
Let's try to deal with real
April 12, 2007 - 12:02 ET by Jack BauerLet's try to deal with reality and leave out the non sequitors!
You seem to be suggesting Americans need to get an alternative European news surce by first learning a foreign language.
I'm only guessing here, but I don't think that's very likely, do you?
And that's not even addressing the rather large hole in your argument, to generalize: Euro Media is even more virulently anti-American than the New York Times and CNN.
You seem to be suggesting Ame
April 12, 2007 - 14:07 ET by BAUHAUSYou seem to be suggesting Americans need to get an alternative European news surce by first learning a foreign language.
Yes I do. But not because I think that EU press is in general better than their US counterpart. I suggest this because that's the only way to understand the global perspective.
And that's not even addressing the rather large hole in your argument, to generalize: Euro Media is even more virulently anti-American than the New York Times and CNN.
Long story short. Not every Euro Media is the same. You would know that if you had ever learned another language and read a foreign newspaper.
Lose your attitude of Eurocentric "superiority", BAUHAUS
April 12, 2007 - 15:22 ET by RJLose your attitude of Eurocentric "superiority" and respond to my post, BAUHAUS....hopefully with a little more intelligence and thought than you have exhibited.
I did.
April 13, 2007 - 04:53 ET by BAUHAUSI did.
But, most of the Europeans ar
April 12, 2007 - 16:34 ET by Dan The Man 2But, most of the Europeans are the same and could care less about being fair and balanced. All they want is to move further to the loony left. I get on an international blog and know first hand what Europeans think. They are brainwashed to teh max by the idiot press. I asked some of the loons fronm the UK about the sailors when it first happened and they said that it was their goverments fault.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
But, most of the Europeans ar
April 13, 2007 - 04:58 ET by BAUHAUSBut, most of the Europeans are the same and could care less about being fair and balanced.
Oh come on. My presence at NB should prove your wrong. Not all Europeans are the same, just not like all Americans are the same.
All they want is to move further to the loony left.
Let me qoute CNN: "You think you know it, but do you really know it."
I get on an international blog and know first hand what Europeans think. They are brainwashed to teh max by the idiot press. I asked some of the loons fronm the UK about the sailors when it first happened and they said that it was their goverments fault.
Some Americans believe 9/11 was an inside job. If I follow your logic all Americans believe this.
From the outhouse to the ba
April 13, 2007 - 12:16 ET by Jack BauerFrom the outhouse to the bauhaus..
Check out where I'm located, dumkopf.
(That's German, by the way.)
Oh, and I've even worked in Sweden, and shop at Ikea. So please, lose the attitude.
From the outhouse to the bauh
April 13, 2007 - 13:56 ET by BAUHAUSFrom the outhouse to the bauhaus..
I translate your outhouse with two-holer. Fits best to your personality.
Check out where I'm located, dumkopf.
1) I'm so fucking impressed you left your country. You deserve a medal for this.
2) German is a case sensitive language. Therefore you have to use captial letters, because 'dumkopf' is a noun.
3) 'Dumkopf' is written with two m's
4) Extra zitiere ich Schiller für Dich: Verstand ist stets bei wenigen nur gewesen.
5) You're a Halbdackel.
(That's German, by the way.)
Again. I'm impressed.
Oh, and I've even worked in Sweden, and shop at Ikea. So please, lose the attitude.
Whatever.
My, my, you're easily impress
April 13, 2007 - 14:09 ET by Jack BauerMy, my, you're easily impressed ain't ya, my little Swedish meathead. If you are really Swedish and not that other German dumkopf who came on here.
Incidentally, if you want to start using the Anglo-Saxon "fucking" for my benefit, you better be prepared for a tirade of expletives from a writer who really knows how to insult in English.
Weißt Du was, das ist mir Sc
April 13, 2007 - 14:14 ET by BAUHAUSWeißt Du was, das ist mir Scheißegal. Ich scheiß auf dich und deine Meinung. Ich hab echt anderes zu tun als mich mit dir Bürschchen zu beschäftigen. Ertrinke in deinem Ego. Ein Verlust wärst Du nicht.
Ummm...guys...insert somethin
April 13, 2007 - 14:21 ET by bigtimerUmmm...guys...insert something in place of one or two vowel's at least..purty please.
Loosly translated
April 13, 2007 - 14:30 ET by MightyMouth"You know which, that are me sh*t all the same. I sh*t on you and your opinion. I
have genuinly different one to do than me with you to Buerschchen to employ.
Drown in your Ego. A loss does not waerst you."---According to babel fish.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Ok, MM. Whats a babel fish? S
April 13, 2007 - 14:32 ET by bassndudeOk, MM. Whats a babel fish?
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Online translation tool. &
April 13, 2007 - 14:35 ET by MightyMouthOnline translation tool.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Oh, cool...thanksSave a SeAL,
April 13, 2007 - 14:38 ET by bassndudeOh, cool...thanks
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
No problemo, glad to be of
April 13, 2007 - 14:42 ET by MightyMouthNo problemo, glad to be of service.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Excuse me? Such an attitude f
April 13, 2007 - 14:28 ET by bassndudeExcuse me? Such an attitude from our superior German friend? And just whos ego are you speaking of. We are all pretty shallow here. Not like our german friends with the deep egos. Put a sock in it, Hans!
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
How does one speak "ca
April 13, 2007 - 14:25 ET by MightyMouth"German is a case sensitive language."
How does one speak "case sensitivley"?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Don't know but
April 13, 2007 - 14:45 ET by misterbillDon't know but -- I know I said it before, but once again, I am impressed with your tagline. It is so true. So many gals/guys have done so much to preserve others rights to sneer at them, There ain't no justice!!!
I've thought about changing
April 13, 2007 - 15:02 ET by MightyMouthI've thought about changing it mr bill, but I just can't come up with anything more true! Other than maybe "Liberals Suck!", naw... too easy.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Strange, I thought german was
April 13, 2007 - 14:49 ET by bassndudeStrange, I thought german was the language of choice for concentration camps and such. Oh well, live and learn.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
BAUHAUS
April 12, 2007 - 12:11 ET by RJ"It's not the Americans and the Britons who are to blame for insurgents attacks, it's Al Qaida."
"Has any of your MSM ever wrote a sentence like this?"
Yes, many times. We get that viewpoint without having to go overseas. There are many conservative newspapers in America. You are unlikely to know of them because the national and international services usually carry the liberal viewpoints. Additionally, there are many U.S. internet services that access international news sources.
Therefore, the problem is not an inability or a need to further access your (apparently "superior") European sources, but that most people in America and the rest of the world are fed a primarily liberal viewpoint.
Yes, many times. We get that
April 13, 2007 - 04:52 ET by BAUHAUSYes, many times. We get that viewpoint without having to go overseas. There are many conservative newspapers in America. You are unlikely to know of them because the national and international services usually carry the liberal viewpoints.
I know the Weekly Standard.
Therefore, the problem is not an inability or a need to further access your (apparently "superior") European sources, but that most people in America and the rest of the world are fed a primarily liberal viewpoint.
I just had the feeling your having, with a few exceptions, only liberal media.
Isn't that what I just said, BAUHAUS?
April 13, 2007 - 07:46 ET by RJ"I just had the feeling your having, with a few exceptions, only liberal media."
Isn't that what I just said? Because the international services feed you a mostly liberal viewpoint, you have assumed that American's choices are limited.
Correct. I never said Euro Pr
April 13, 2007 - 09:02 ET by BAUHAUSCorrect. I never said Euro Press is superior because it is European, I said if you have only liberal media you should look somewhere else.
BAUHAUS
April 13, 2007 - 12:10 ET by RJNo, you didn't say look somewhere else. You said that learning other languages is the solution to the American "problem" you saw. Implicit in your suggestion was the concept that Americans are too provincal.
And that, BAUHAUS, is where your sense of Eurocentric "superiority" comes in.
No, I read all of it again an
April 13, 2007 - 14:11 ET by BAUHAUSNo, I read all of it again and you got me wrong.
First I quoted a Swedish Newspaper.
Than Jack Bauer messed it up and wrote 'Don't read Brit Press they're al-Qaida', so I wrote not all Euro newspaper are the same. Take the Swedish one I quoted as a proof. JB than replied that Americans only speak English. And that's the moment where you guys got me wrong.
I said learn a foreign language, read foreign press and understand why Europeans have sometimes a different point of view than Americans. Plus the more you gather of other peoples point of views the more you understand the global perspective.
Here read my post again.
You seem to be suggesting Americans need to get an alternative European news surce by first learning a foreign language.
Yes I do. But not because I think that EU press is in general better than their US counterpart. I suggest this because that's the only way to understand the global perspective.
And that's not even addressing the rather large hole in your argument, to generalize: Euro Media is even more virulently anti-American than the New York Times and CNN.
Long story short. Not every Euro Media is the same. You would know that if you had ever learned another language and read a foreign newspaper.
That made me chuckle, BAUHAUS.
April 13, 2007 - 17:10 ET by RJThat made me chuckle, BAUHAUS. You deny that you think Americans are provincal, and then again repeat (twice more!) that we don't understand the world "because" we don't speak foreign languages.
You deny that you have a sense of Eurocentric superiority, but then assume 1) that we don't know that "not every Euro media is the same", and 2) that we don't understand the European point of view.
That means you believe that you understand the American point of view better than we understand the European's, simply because you speak English. Once again, that shows both your belief that Americans are provincal, and your sense of Eurocentric superiority.
Since you've admitted that you read the liberal media, it only means that you understand THEIR slanted viewpoint. Language skills are valuable, BAUHAUS, but good sourcing is more important.
JB than replied that Americ
April 13, 2007 - 18:40 ET by Jack BauerIn English, we call that misleading. That is NOT what I wrote. You are so full of it. (And by "it" I really mean "sh..it"
LMAO Jack!Good one...as usual
April 13, 2007 - 18:42 ET by bigtimerLMAO Jack!
Good one...as usual!
BT -- he sounds like the kra
April 13, 2007 - 18:49 ET by Jack BauerBT -- he sounds like the kraut formerly known as kafker... there's something very "off" about that guy.
Jack,I agree...I couldn't thi
April 13, 2007 - 19:04 ET by bigtimerJack,
I agree...I couldn't think of who it was he reminded me of but you nailed it!
I have been reading the posts and just let you guys make mincemeat out of him...as you do rather well.
LOL!
Nah. He's not kaka
April 13, 2007 - 19:11 ET by RJNah. He's not kaka. What gets your attention is that he has the same underlying Eurocentric attitude of superiority toward the provincal Americans.
Well, you guys will figure it
April 13, 2007 - 19:14 ET by bigtimerWell, you guys will figure it out...I'm staying out of this one...lol!
RJ -- I bow to your superior
April 13, 2007 - 19:15 ET by Jack BauerRJ -- I bow to your superior knowledge of the kaka-kaka bird.
"superior"? ....hey
April 13, 2007 - 19:17 ET by RJ"superior"? ....heyyy, wait a minnit..... ;^>
I come from the most NORDIC p
April 12, 2007 - 12:12 ET by BDI come from the most NORDIC portion of the US.
No one I knew under the age of 80 could speak Swedish, and only one family that had business interests in Norway could speak Norwegian.
But virtually every person who visited the US from those two countries could speak English fluently.
Therefore we do not need to learn that language in great numbers.
Read above.
April 12, 2007 - 14:08 ET by BAUHAUSRead above.
Regarding your comment above,
April 12, 2007 - 17:12 ET by BDRegarding your comment above, I know another language, the US Army went to great expense to teach me German. I used to read their newspapers (Stern, Wocke, as well as listen to Deautche Welle on shortwave.)
Frankly, it is a waste of time.
Likewise, I often hear from Libs that I should learn French as well as a Nordic language. But why? The world has essentially decided to standardize using English for aviation, military, and computer purposes and it is a rare event that I am even allowed to speak German by an actual German when I make the attempt.
Regarding your comment above,
April 13, 2007 - 05:07 ET by BAUHAUSRegarding your comment above, I know another language, the US Army went to great expense to teach me German. I used to read their newspapers (Stern, Wocke, as well as listen to Deautche Welle on shortwave.)
Although I welcome that you're able to speak in my native language, you read all the wrong newspapers. Stern, Focus, Spiegel, Bild are all the same crappy mainstream. Don't expect something meaningful from those. You should rather read the printed version of FAZ (Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung) or how about Euronews. The most unbiased media source I've ever come across. No pundits, no populismn, just straight facts.
Here's the link: http://www.euronews....
we have seen the best swede
April 13, 2007 - 18:46 ET by tumbler_2007It's all history; no more swededes need apply, IMHO.
We saw Greta Garbo, the Swede of all times. She wasn't very talkative anyway.
Ahhh yes....The Silent Treatm
April 13, 2007 - 18:51 ET by bigtimerAhhh yes....The Silent Treatment...
Something I bet you know about!
LOL!
BT,shhhhhh!
April 13, 2007 - 18:52 ET by BlondeBT,
shhhhhh!
There's always Bjorn Borg, Ab
April 13, 2007 - 18:56 ET by Jack BauerThere's always Bjorn Borg, Abba, Henrik Larsson and The Borg (Resistence is Futile), of course.
But at least we can't blame the Swedes for Bjork, which is down to the Icelanders. (Just to name drop, I saw Bjork in one of those moving plate Sushi bars in London once.)
Jack....Churchill may be dead
April 12, 2007 - 11:48 ET by Clear thinkerJack....
Churchill may be dead, but I'm guessing he's ready to climb out of his burial vault and choke some of his fellow Brits and burn down the BBC.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Clear -- dead on.The BBC re
April 12, 2007 - 12:09 ET by Jack BauerClear -- dead on.
The BBC refused to allow Churchill on the air during the 1930s when he was warning a sleeping appeasing the world about Hitler and the Nazis.
Nothing much has changed.
BAUHAUS
April 12, 2007 - 12:00 ET by misterbillBAUHAUS--I appreciate your input. I do wish any good news about Americans were , somehow, released to the public. It is highly unlikely that many Americans would look to the European press for good news. The general bad press we get abroad and the fact that most of us speak English only is a deterrent.
That being said, I, personally, rely on people like you to report it via the internet.
Thank you for your input. Please post any other good new in the EU press as you read or hear it. God knows , we can use all the good news we can get.
That being said, I, personall
April 12, 2007 - 14:21 ET by BAUHAUSThat being said, I, personally, rely on people like you to report it via the internet.
That's why I wrote it.
Thank you for your input. Please post any other good new in the EU press as you read or hear it. God knows , we can use all the good news we can get.
Don't mention it. :)
How about this, your idea of a US* missile defense system in Europe is getting more popular as Iran releases more facts about it's progresses in uranium enrichment.
*make it a NATO issus and it's build for sure
I think we ought to let them
April 12, 2007 - 16:37 ET by Dan The Man 2I think we ought to let them fend for themselves. The Europeans are brainwashed for teh most part and the trouble is they dont know it.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.
I agree with Misterbill, than
April 13, 2007 - 10:46 ET by Lynn DavidsonI agree with Misterbill, thanks for posting that headline. That is the kind of reporting that the mainstream press in America is lacking. Is your country different than the rest of Europe and less anti-American and anti-Israel, or are they just fair journalists who don't let their personal beliefs get in the way?
Wrote you a PM.
April 13, 2007 - 15:43 ET by BAUHAUSWrote you a PM.
bauhaus--missile defense
April 13, 2007 - 14:08 ET by misterbillThe resentment amongst Americans about Europeans is growing rapidly by my observations. We see an appeasement effort that history has proved time and time again, only delays the aggressors. That being said---remember again, where we hear about the European attitudes about us. Our daily newspaper and television. IMHO they are as hostile toward the EU as the BBC is to the US.
All that said, this is what one old man believes -- Western Europe and the United States have been allies in the past and will be again in the future. We re like many families, we have our squabbles but we are still family. A NATO nuclear missile defense system would, I believe be an acceptable deterrent to some aggressors. The only problem left is the religious fanatics who would consider it a good thing if the world was destroyed and started over again.
God help us all!
The resentment amongst Americ
April 13, 2007 - 14:54 ET by BAUHAUSThe resentment amongst Americans about Europeans is growing rapidly by my observations. We see an appeasement effort that history has proved time and time again, only delays the aggressors. That being said---remember again, where we hear about the European attitudes about us. Our daily newspaper and television. IMHO they are as hostile toward the EU as the BBC is to the US.
Definitly. As we in Europe celebrated our 50th anniversary, all European News Channels broadcasted the anniversary speech live. But as I switched to CNN International I only saw sports. That's those kind of small things that give the US a bad image.
(At least Bush congradulated.)
Europeans still feel ignored by the US. Take the missile defense system. You can't come to Europe and build a US one. How would you feel if France builds one in Louisiana. That's simply the wrong way. To build one you need to name it EU-US Missile Defense System or NATO Missile Defense System. This is how it works.
All that said, this is what one old man believes -- Western Europe and the United States have been allies in the past and will be again in the future. We re like many families, we have our squabbles but we are still family.
And I'm convinced this won't change, despite idiots like Jack Bauer on both sides.
Misterbill, I want to thank you and all other with the same opinon for making me even more convinced that on both sides of the Atlantic there are people with the heart in the right place.
bauhaus, it is because of att
April 13, 2007 - 15:15 ET by bassndudebauhaus, it is because of attitudes like yours that the American attitude towards the europeans are what they are. When you have those in europe like france and germany what do you expect. So you feel ignored by the Americans. Why do you think that is? Perhaps because the Americans have propped your economy for 50 or more years? Because you bad mouth us and refuse to help in our hour of need? Or maybe it is because after all your moaning we started to pull our troops from bases in Germany. Then you howeled like a dog with his ba**s caught in a bear trap! And France building anything anywhere is a mute statement. France is a country of cowards. As I am beginning to think Germany has become. When it comes right down to it, with friends like the europeans, who need enemys?
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Europeans feel ignored by the
April 13, 2007 - 17:16 ET by BDEuropeans feel ignored by the US? You have to be kidding me! We spent unprecedented levels of money in Europe and stationed two complete Army Corps in Europe (Approximately 250,000 Troops) at great expense to keep it free. What the hell DO THEY WANT NOW?
In the late 90's I did an assignment in Europe and I recall listening to Germans at meetings tell me that they wanted all the US troops to leave German soil, but to please leave their paychecks behind because in large part that was what was keeping the German economy alfoat.
Since our departure, it has become obvious that the US dollar pumped in for defense purposes WAS keeping the Bundesrepublik economy going.
Since the fall of the wall, the Germans and most other european countries have virtually disbanded their armed forces, yet wish to be taken seriously at NATO meetings.
I have heard Germans in staff meetings complain that their commitment of a couple thousands troops to Afghanistan is crippling the already floundering german economy and that Afghanistan should be left to the US "Who can do such things."
I think it is europe who needs to work on its relations with the US, not the other way around.
Nicely put, BD.I found the Ge
April 13, 2007 - 17:29 ET by BlondeNicely put, BD.
I found the Germans to be extremely arrogant when I was there.
And it shows in their foreign policy, their sense of duty as allies, etc.
And they wonder why we shrug our shoulders when they whine for our attention?
Well, I could not say most eu
April 13, 2007 - 17:46 ET by BDWell, I could not say most europeans were arrogant, but enough were that they reminded me of New Yorkers.
Still, gotta love the Dutch.....
BD,New Yawkas!That's funny.BT
April 13, 2007 - 17:55 ET by BlondeBD,
New Yawkas!
That's funny.
BTW, I said Germans, not Euros.
I really would like to go back to Europe someday, but I'm kind of in the "why bother" frame of mind.
There are so many other wonderful places to go, and I just don't want to spend my money in places where Americans are so thoroughly disdained.
Dis me, guess what, you don't get my $$.
And who knows how many other
April 12, 2007 - 07:03 ET by Sua SponteAnd who knows how many other (American and British) Troopers have faced the enemy, conquered their fear and soldiered on. Yet all we hear is of the "atrocities" we commit and how nothing is being accomplished.
Thank God we have Sheepdogs that will take a deep breath, embrace the suck, and RANGER UP! ! !
Sua:The thing is that the pop
April 12, 2007 - 10:10 ET by BDSua:
The thing is that the popular media today cannot actually present a positive story about a positive character in the military unless:
1.) The main character is afflicted with AIDS while performing the bravery in question.
2.) The main character is gay, or possibly a transsexual....
3.) The main character later comes out of the closet and they do a long segment on him being the victim of prejudice.
4.) Somehow they can make the hero have feet of clay in the end such as showing him as a former bank robber, pedofile, or show cowardice at another event.
Historical note -- most win
April 12, 2007 - 07:06 ET by Jack BauerHistorical note -- most winners of the VC had to die to get it. Like the CMoH it sets an incredibly high standard of valor, way way beyond above and beyond.
What would Audie think??
April 12, 2007 - 10:36 ET by rx4musicAfter reading this, I have to ask myself, "What would Audie Murphy think about this?" Read about a real hero... As far as I'm concerned, anyone who volunteers for military service IS a hero.
There is a lot of military in my family and among them numerous Purple Hearts, Silver and Bronze Stars and other distinguished service awards. This is way too close to home and I take this personally. This is way beyond "political correctness". Sadly, the people who gave their lives and their blood so that others are free to speak their minds appear to have done so in vain as these A-holes don't have the balls to stand and cheer (or even acknowledge!!) those who fought the good fight...
MSM? What a bunch of p*ssies...
"I used to be disgusted, but now, I try to be amused..."- E. Costello
Cowardly doesn't go far enough
April 12, 2007 - 07:17 ET by c5thenPerhaps the word treasonous needs to be bandied about for the "beeb" to get the idea of how the majority of the British people feel about this. This is only one example of what they are NOT getting to see and hear. I wonder how many other occurances there are along this line?
With any luck, Rupert Murdoch's Sky network will pick it up.
Those who control the media can control the population
As Churchhill Rolls over
April 12, 2007 - 08:20 ET by Mr. TerryThis is just too outrageous to even comment on. I read Churchhill's book about the coming storm in WWII. He had to kick Europe in the pants just to get them to defend their own back yard. Now the Brit media has caught up to the French of WWII. SURELY the British citizens are outraged about this....
BBC has long been a socialistic, elitist venue. Here they openly admit their bias and underhanded censorship!!! They do not deserve to speak the name of that brave soldier.
I cannot fathom the BBC. Th
April 12, 2007 - 14:51 ET by kathleenirishI cannot fathom the BBC. The government supports its anti-British, anti-democratic, anti-American, pro-socialistic, pro-commie,anti-Israeli, pro-PLO and pro-terrorist despotic agenda? This is what the British people want? Really? What the hell is next? We already know they are fading as a credible ally, but the destruction of what is strong about their society and history from within is sad and scary for the rest of what's left of the West. This coming from a Mick.
Whenever I hear anything about the "EU" I have to laugh. It's nothing more than an ode to bloated governmental bureaucracy, elitism, and double talk. It's like the little buddy of the UN in some ways.
" 'Fred's Slacks' is a winner!!" -Satan (Will Ferrell) to an aspiring musician (Garth Brooks) in an SNL skit about selling your soul for a hit song. Except Satan's offerings are beyond awful.