Mainstream media anchors occasionally do some explicit cheerleading for a liberal politician. That's exactly what CNN host Miles O'Brien did on Wednesday's "American Morning." He reported that dark horse Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich "flexes his muscle with big oil over the skyrocketing price of gas, and we say go to it."
Kucinich flexing his muscle? Now, that's a mental image that doesn't immediately come to mind.
O'Brien's remark was made during a lead-in to a segment by CNN senior business correspondent Ali Velshi. Velshi's report gave some details of the ultra-liberal congressman's efforts.
ALI VELSHI: Dennis Kucinich, he's the chairman of the domestic policy subcommittee, has written letters to seven major oil companies, asking them a question we would like an answer to - explaining the high price of gas....
So Kucinich is asking these oil companies to explain particularly refining. He cited examples in California where he says prices of refining a barrel of oil have jumped from $17 a barrel five years ago to $39 a barrel, and that's creating a big upward swing in the price of gasoline.
He also wants to know about refining capacity in California. Again, he says that in 1985, the refineries were operating at 76 percent of capacity, so lots of room to grow. Now, they're running at 92 percent of capacity, which means that there's not enough room. If a refinery has to go down for maintenance or repair or switch over blends of gasoline, what happens is then they can't refine more gas, and it becomes a supply and demand issue. Gas prices spike. We see this every spring. This is what happens. We're not growing refineries in this country. So he would like responses. He's asked for detailed and documented answers to a series of questions that he has laid out in a letter by April the 25th. We will be eager to hear what those responses are.
As the segment closed, O'Brien and Velshi listed some of the reasons why new refineries have not been built.
M. O'BRIEN: No one wants a refinery in their backyard.
VELSHI: They're dirty. They're hard to get approval for, but they are - and they're expensive, but we got to do something. We got to use less gasoline or build more refineries.
Notice, though, that both O'Brien and Velshi fail to mention two other major reasons there aren't any new refineries - too many regulations and litigation costs.
The mainstream media's laser beam-focus on oil companies as the leading reason for high oil prices only serves to forward the agenda of liberals like Kucinich.
—Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.
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If in '08 there is not one co
April 11, 2007 - 16:37 ET by bigtimerIf in '08 there is not one conservative candidate running that does not mention us here in the USA being self-depent on our own oil, drilling environmentally safely and building more refineries, I will not vote.
Period.
We are paying terrorist countries for oil, we are at war with the terrorists, money get laundered to help terrorists that want us dead with oil...Oil for-Food anyone.
We have enough oil here and on our shores to support us just fine.
If a conservative does not mention that it is the democrats that have put us in this position for over thirty years with our dependency on other countries with their enviro campaign money for their votes...I am done voting.
I have had it!
This is where I have been very disappointed with President Bush..switch grass fine, in the meantime we need OIL and REFINERIES built, the regulations need to be lifted, we can use other means fine and dandy, but oil is going to be the answer for years and years to come.
bt...Did you happen to catch
April 11, 2007 - 16:45 ET by Clear thinkerbt...
Did you happen to catch any of the debate yesterday on Global Warming between Newt and John Kerry? I don't know about anyone else, but I was sorely disapointed in Newt.
Hopefully, if we can get Fred to run, he will have the guts to force drilling in our own country. I personally consider it a national security issue, and a clear thinking leader should be looking at it from that angle.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Ct...Posts disappeared yester
April 11, 2007 - 16:55 ET by bigtimerCt...
Posts disappeared yesterday...I was on here bight and early telling everyone the so-called debate was about to start in about a half hour before it did on C-Span.
I was furious, disgusted disappointed and could not watch it all!
That did it for me with Newt...and I said as such on here quite a few times!
I am still steamed as I said here too about that all!
What a farce.
They may as well hugged each other as they were patting each other on the back....never again!
Thompson/Hunter...or Tancredo...those are my three...so far anyway.
I heard Rush lamenting it.
April 11, 2007 - 17:19 ET by mattmI heard Rush lamenting it. Newt is a disappointment. (He presided over the 1995 cave, remember) He should be on a policy team or in a Party leadership position, but not a presidential candidate.
Hi mattm..I wouldn't want him
April 11, 2007 - 17:31 ET by bigtimerHi mattm..
I wouldn't want him picking where the party should send money if a candidate needs help for the republican side of the aisle, he reminds me more of a Rove stategist...he hurt two pople I know of here in the NW can't remember both of their names at the moment but one was Linda Smith from Washington, she did not bend to his will, he cancelled a big fund-raiser for her and one in Idaho because they did not agree with his pac money thing then.
I llike Newt in a lot of ways, but I am through hoping he has any ties in decision making in this country.. it is just my opinion.
Big, Did you expect him to
April 11, 2007 - 17:38 ET by 01-20-09Big,
Did you expect him to yell like Billy O'Noisy, that only works on the Fox News Shows.
Their toothless hillbilly viewers love it.
Well I woke up this mornin' Got myself a beer
Hi hater..You are obvious you
April 11, 2007 - 17:43 ET by bigtimerHi hater..
You are obvious you know!
He is quite obvious....THough
April 12, 2007 - 18:11 ET by BDHe is quite obvious....
THough he tried to cover it with supposed "kids" it is the same old Hater on the line....
I don't think Newt realizes h
April 11, 2007 - 17:59 ET by Conservative VoiceI don't think Newt realizes how he destroyed his chances in winning. His only hope was the conservative base, who were willing to overlook some of his short falls. We liked him because he was a fighter. I am not sure what has happened to him, but it seems he is no longer a fighter.
Big,Vote for Rootie.Well I
April 11, 2007 - 18:10 ET by 01-20-09Big,
Vote for Rootie.
Well I woke up this mornin' Got myself a beerHi Hater...You are obvious yo
April 11, 2007 - 18:16 ET by bigtimerHi Hater...
You are obvious you know.
Thompson/Hunter/or Tancredo!
Big, Rudy is so far ahead
April 11, 2007 - 18:40 ET by 01-20-09Big,
Rudy is so far ahead they'll never catch him, the Jersey Girls adore him.
It will be:
Rudy
Hillary
Keep trolling, 01.It's the ki
April 11, 2007 - 18:45 ET by BlondeKeep trolling, 01.
It's the kind of behaviour that will get you booted off the site.
Let him be B,Hater is enterta
April 11, 2007 - 18:57 ET by bigtimerLet him be B,
Hater is entertaining for awhile...power is fine, but playing with a mouse is fun now then, just watch a cat.
Some of us have missed him a little teeny weeny bit...he was here long before you now just remember that some of us oldie but goodies like to paw him around.
Kicking everybody off of here is going to be boring.
BT, I don't boot 'em. They
April 11, 2007 - 19:13 ET by BlondeBT,
I don't boot 'em. They cause that all by themselves.
I certainly remember hater. Alot of his iterations, actually.
I've had that kind of a day.....
its too early to tell. But
April 11, 2007 - 18:48 ET by Conservative Voiceits too early to tell. But if the race does go between rudy and hillary, rudy will win, Hillary is not likable, Rudy is.
Hillary will take Ohio and
April 11, 2007 - 19:10 ET by 01-20-09Hillary will take Ohio and Florida, game over.
She may take up to five red states.
All she has to do is let Bill do her talking.
wont work...Bill can't debate
April 11, 2007 - 19:19 ET by Conservative Voicewont work...Bill can't debate for her. And those who Bill has endorsed lost. Ohio and FL will be close, its way too early to tell. She may lose 5 blue states. I am not even confident that she will win the primary. She isn't likable, and she isn't Bill. She is cold, calculating, that no one can relate to.
CV,I second that.Plus, she cr
April 11, 2007 - 19:23 ET by BlondeCV,
I second that.
Plus, she creates a visceral reaction from certain people (like me).
Creeps me out, putting it politely.
I hope she loses by a huge margin in the primaries.
Put Broomstick 101 in her proper place, for the very first time in her life. Tatooed with a big "L" on her head.
Cancellation request
April 11, 2007 - 20:28 ET by UnsaneWell, that's good enough for me! Let's cancel the 2008 elections! Why bother holding them if we know what is going to happen?
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
“My level of concern and
April 11, 2007 - 19:58 ET by 01-20-09“My level of concern and dismay is very, very high,” said Mickey Edwards, a
Republican former congressman from Oklahoma who is now a lecturer in public
policy at the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at
Princeton. “It’s not that I have any particular problem with the people who are
running for the Republican nomination. I just don’t know how they can run hard
enough or fast enough to escape the gravitational pull of the Bush
administration.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/11/us/politics/11repubs.html?8br
and what is your point? Fir
April 11, 2007 - 20:02 ET by Conservative Voiceand what is your point? First you don't even understand why President Bush's poll numbers are down, second congressman Edwards is who? and who cares?
01,You're throwing out the fe
April 11, 2007 - 20:03 ET by Blonde01,
You're throwing out the feint again.
Try posting on your own.
Your own thoughts, your own ideas.
You show some potential, but this, and most of your earlier efforts, are weak.
Keep trying though.
What's the point? Mickey E
April 11, 2007 - 20:04 ET by MightyMouthWhat's the point? Mickey Edwards couldn't hack it as a congressman so he is stumping for the dems on College speaking engagements? BFD!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
"...to escape the grav
April 11, 2007 - 20:13 ET by John in CA"...to escape the gravitational pull of the Bush administration.”
Better than that, it might be hard for the demo candidates to escape the implosion of the democrat congress. A year from now, there will be enough Republicans fed up with their shenanigans, they'll turn out in record numbers - thus ensuring a GOP victory.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
Is there a point in your word
April 11, 2007 - 20:23 ET by JABIs there a point in your word placement there 90210?!
"said Mickey Edwards, a
Republican former congressman from Oklahoma"
if there was not an agenda why could it not have read;
said Mickey Edwards, a
former Republican congressman from Oklahoma.
See how simple it can be! Just keep placing your bets on the ignorate masses, I shall place my bet from there as well!
LAME at best, you C&P Dolt!
"To bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
BT, he doesn't even deny it
April 11, 2007 - 18:47 ET by MightyMouthBT, he doesn't even deny it anymore. Poor kids having trouble in his life. Needs a father figure I suspect.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM..The little one has missed
April 11, 2007 - 19:00 ET by bigtimerMM..
The little one has missed us...needs to be guided again...him lonely....lol!
I think your right BT. The
April 11, 2007 - 19:10 ET by MightyMouthI think your right BT. There can't be much adult guidance at SFN. Eventually kids need boundries and goals. Otherwise they end up coming home (if they have a home to come back to). My suggestion for the little one: Join the Military, that will make a man out of you. Of course if you don't want to be a man, then the Military is NOT for you. :-)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM......and of course we know
April 11, 2007 - 19:16 ET by bigtimerMM...
...and of course we know the military is not for the little one...they are the bad guys in his only wee brain cell floating in that otherwise vast emptiness between his ears...
LOL!
Draft the sucka! I'll watch t
April 11, 2007 - 19:20 ET by MightyMouthDraft the sucka! I'll watch the Kanadian border! Who's got the south?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM...I remember his love for
April 11, 2007 - 19:31 ET by bigtimerMM...
I remember his love for that Kanadian Border with him well...
We don't want tumbleweedo gaurding the Southern border now do we....
LOL!
Any volunteers?
BT - I am on the Gingrich ---
April 12, 2007 - 18:16 ET by misterbillBT - I am on the Gingrich ---distribution list. I sent an email to the site that sends me emails. I told Newt that he lost a ton of support for caving in to the GW bull shedders. My meaage came back with a webmaster "wrong address'. Is it possible Newt jumped off the earth because of his goof?????
LOL misterb...I am just in an
April 12, 2007 - 18:36 ET by bigtimerLOL misterb...
I am just in and out of here real quick, got to catch up with some stuff for my sins of staying on here too long today.
As for Gingrich....you can bet he must of got a heck of a lot of very disappointed angry backers, that no longer will support him after this sorry display.
Just my opinion of course...
Easier to ignore the problem and pretend like it didn't happen and hope it will just blow in the Global Warming winds of peoples minds and they will just forget about it all...
Newsflash....IT WON'T!
You may never see a new ref
April 11, 2007 - 17:23 ET by 01-20-09You may never see a new refinery, they closed around 20 in the last 15 years.
The remaining once are constantly made more efficient, the small ones close because updating them is too costly.
What we need are 100 mpg cars. I saw on Discovery, 10 years ago, a
guberment developed motorcycle that got 1,000 miles per gallon, used on
missions near the South Poll. It probably fell in the ocean by because
of global warming by now. lol
http://www.energy.ca...
"too costly..."
April 11, 2007 - 17:28 ET by RJ"too costly..." Due specifically to government over-regulation, not market forces.
As for the 1,000 mpg motorcycle, they keep it out at Area 51, with the carburator that runs on water
"Did we think Kyoto would [reduce global warming] when we signed it? . . . Hell no!" -Al Gore
"What we need are 100 mp
April 11, 2007 - 17:37 ET by Mean Gene Dr. Love"What we need are 100 mpg cars"
This is a nice idea, but the kinetic energy contained in a gallon of gas can only do so much. The motorcycle that got "1000 MPG" was probably, very small, lightweight, and had a very light cargo capacity (if your recollection is correct). If we did have a car that got 100 MPG, I would bet that it was very small, it would be a one seater (maby two), and would have little to no cargo capacity, and would have a body made out of aluminum foil.
All technologies have limitations.
"I'd rather be bald than to pretend that I'm not!" --Mean Gene Dr. Love on comb-overs.
The motorcycle was a mule,
April 11, 2007 - 17:56 ET by 01-20-09The motorcycle was a mule, it towed 300 pounds of cargo. You could run it indoors, as it burnt all of its exhaust.
It really wasn't that cost efficient, you can get a 90 mpg cycle for
$5,000 from a dealer and just carry extra gas. I bet they had a million
into it, but why not share that technology?
You lied 01-20-09
April 12, 2007 - 08:21 ET by SportPoliticsYou lied 01-20-09. World record motorcycle 157mpg, and it takes 15 minutes to get into it.
But, remember, we are keeping all the best technology from you lowly peasant like fantasists. When the earth begins to overheat, you'll die, and we will not. Looks like you've been banned already as well, so enjoy reading this , but not commenting liar. lol
Top speed 15 mile per hour! @
April 12, 2007 - 19:12 ET by upcountrywaterTop speed 15 mile per hour! @ 90 miles/gallon.
If it "burnt all of it's exhaust" Then there would be no need for an EXHAUST PIPE. as if LMAO
La la land. Refineries go dow
April 11, 2007 - 18:29 ET by bassndudeLa la land. Refineries go down at regular intervals, once a year to replace pipe, air ducts, holding tanks, heaters and various other parts that ware out. The pipe they use in refining gas is crome. The pipe is black but it is high crome content. That helps it retain its strength at high temps. Gas in heated to 800 degrees F, pushed through the pipe into the octain tank. Know what the octain tank is full of? After the out law of lead in gas, the only other solution to raise the octaine levels was platinum. It sells for about 1200 to 1300 per ounce. This is shreaded into little bitty pieces, and stuffed into a big ole steel tank, average size is about 8 feet dia. and 24 feet high. This has to be replaced at least once a year. Under heavy refining, maybe twice. Wanna know why gas went up so much so quick? There is part of your answer. Your burning platinum I have more if you want.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
What I need
April 11, 2007 - 20:30 ET by UnsaneWhat I need is for you to NOT tell me what I need. I need a new truck that gets 15 mph city/20 mpg highway, because I want to of my own freewill.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
CA and energy
April 11, 2007 - 23:45 ET by mastersofdeceitDon't know if anyone's mentioned it yet. This isn't about oil but LNG pipelines in Ca.
Lands panel denies lease for pipelines.
"The decision was met with loud cheers by the estimated 900 people who packed the auditorium for Monday's commission hearing. Many were opponents who wore blue shirts emblazoned with the words "Terminate the Terminal."
"about 14 miles off Malibu and about 20 miles off Oxnard. BHP officials have said the facility would provide a reliable source of low-polluting energy." I'm gonna go waaay out on a limb here and bet that the Malibu Mercedes Marxists* monied riff-raff influence held the most sway.
* Mercedes Marxists Hat Tip to Al Rantel.
mod,Halle Berry and Pierce Br
April 11, 2007 - 23:55 ET by bigtimermod,
Halle Berry and Pierce Bronson....good old Hollywood leftist twits that think this enery just gets to their homes like poof magic...like the pretend world they live in.
My home state has gone to hell, makes me want to cry...I have got to see my homestead one more time, and sell...breaks my heart.
I would expect nothing less, and this country as a whole lives in la-la land when it comes to energy....I just hope I live long enough to see the day wehn thee idiots run out because of their own power....and have no choice but to see reality...I fear that will never happen, they want every little thing run by magic, which is also the govt. for them.
Socialistic idiots.
Seeing as how Dennis is chair
April 11, 2007 - 16:54 ET by bassndudeSeeing as how Dennis is chairman of domestic policy, why is it he dosent know why the gas prices in Ca. have gone up? He isint stupid or he would not have picked Ca for the questions. Stringent laws concerning gas in Ca. are the reason. Pollution controls? Refineries in California? Ha! They cant even build a mall or fix the roads out there because of the tree huggers. Taxes? Isint that one of the use controls that California uses to keep folks from driving so much? Dennis is either stupid! or out of his mind to think that people really belive this is anything but a stupid political ploy.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Kucinich has always reminded
April 11, 2007 - 17:00 ET by RJKucinich has always reminded me of the Pee Wee Herman of politics.
RJ...He has always reminded m
April 11, 2007 - 17:02 ET by bigtimerRJ...
He has always reminded me of My Favoite Martian!
Kucinich flexing his muscle?
April 11, 2007 - 18:26 ET by FOXFANKucinich flexing his muscle? Like wimpy Harry Reid flexing his muscle. If both were standing next to a podium and you slammed a book on it, both would be knocked off their feet from the gust of wind.
Fox...Laugh out loud funny...
April 11, 2007 - 20:38 ET by bigtimerFox...
Laugh out loud funny...and true too!
"Kucinich has always r
April 11, 2007 - 20:36 ET by John in CA"Kucinich has always reminded me of the Pee Wee Herman of politics."
Kazoo
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
My money is on stupid, bass
April 11, 2007 - 17:01 ET by dabalMy money is on stupid, bass. He is a liberal, after all...
I saw an AARP type at the gas
April 11, 2007 - 17:06 ET by mattmI saw an AARP type at the gas station the other day who was complaining about "record profits" and high prices. I didn't want to give him a heart attack so I refrained from asking his opinion on additional gas taxes, building more refineries, drilling in ANWR, etc....
"Everybody talks about the weather (or energy costs) but nobody does anything about it" - Mark Twain
Ron Paul
April 11, 2007 - 17:07 ET by ecnirPI wonder how many invites darkhorse candidate Ron Paul will get from CNN versus the number of times darkhorse candidate Dennis Kucinich will appear on the network. [can we still say "darkhorse" these days?]
gas taxes
April 11, 2007 - 17:10 ET by gfrrmanNo mention too that the federal gov't. gets more $$$(gas tax) from a gallon of gas than any other entity. If one wants to look at why a gallon of gas is so expensive look no further than the Federal government!!!! Kucinich is a stupid weasel of a politician. How he heads ANY committee is beyond the pale.
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
i hate oil companies, and it
April 11, 2007 - 17:17 ET by sajc05i hate oil companies, and it has nothing to do with how much thier profits are, good for them if they can make it, its the fact that they have way to much control over our politicians...the founders never wanted to see that our gov't is controlled by the most weathy corporations instead of the people...
Then, by your logic you must
April 11, 2007 - 17:21 ET by RJThen, by your logic you must also "hate" unions, hollywood, and every other business and organization that has sway over politicans.
It's not those entities, but the greedy, self-serving pols that need to be "hated".
That's right, RJ. Every polit
April 11, 2007 - 17:27 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveThat's right, RJ. Every politician has the choice to take the high road of integrity or to take the low road of greed. All too often they choose greed. You can't blame the person or group that tries to buy a politician.
"I'd rather be bald than to pretend that I'm not!" --Mean Gene Dr. Love on comb-overs.
"i hate oil companies,
April 11, 2007 - 18:23 ET by ckc1227"i hate oil companies, and it has nothing to do with how much thier profits are, good for them if they can make it, its the fact that they have way to much control over our politicians."
That's not the oil companies fault, it's the fault of the politicians who allow themselves to be "controlled", which means your hatred is misplaced. If politicians refused to be bought, big business would have little control over them.
Bottom line, it's not the oil companies in control, it's the politician's who tell big business to pay up or shut up.
sajcTax the heck out of the
April 11, 2007 - 18:28 ET by 01-20-09sajc
Tax the heck out of them; they won't have all that loot to buy our leaders, balance the budget at the same time.
I think Hugo Chavez has the right idea, our government should start an
oil company, drill where the others aren't. It would keep Exxon on its
toes and could only increase production.
I'm am convinced Exxon and others are back door fixing gas prices. Anytime they slaked to boost prices, Gouberment Oil wouldn't.
If JFK put TWA in charge of going to the moon, we still wouldn't be
there and the Commodore 64 would still be in the planing stage.
Waddya drinking buddy? (or
April 11, 2007 - 18:34 ET by MightyMouthWaddya drinking buddy? (or smokin)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
OK Mr Communist, first off wh
April 11, 2007 - 18:37 ET by Conservative VoiceOK Mr Communist, first off why stop at oil? Why shouldn't government farm? make clothes? beer? phone? internet? build cars? drugs?
Fact, the government already makes more than the oil companies on gas, its not even close.
Should we look at the train industry and how government destroyed it?
You want cheap gas, allow for more competition...allow for more drilling and cut gasoline taxes.
Oil after all is healthy for America...its organic.
01,Riiiiiight.Because the gov
April 11, 2007 - 18:40 ET by Blonde01,
Riiiiiight.
Because the government is so supremely efficient at doing everything.
I bet you are just waiting in antici......pation (h.t. Noel) for Hillarycare.
Why don't you try posting something substantial instead of your little liberal jabs which are truly pathetic?
Blonde, In all do respec
April 11, 2007 - 18:58 ET by 01-20-09Blonde,
In all do respect :-)
The most efficient company in the world is the Pennsylvania state owned liquor stores and distributors.
Their sales are $50,000,000,000 a year, mostly wholesale to out of state liquor stores.
The CEO gets $120,000 a year and the use of a van.
If Exxon took over the CEO would get a $50,000,000 bonus and Johnnie Walker Red would be $100 to pay for it.
If you could drive your car
April 11, 2007 - 19:02 ET by MightyMouthIf you could drive your car on Johnnie Walker the CEO would get the 50 mil too, don't ya think?
sorry to bust in blonde.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
01,In all due respect, how ma
April 11, 2007 - 19:09 ET by Blonde01,
With all due respect, how many other liquor stores and distributors are there in PA?
Blonde, None, but our pr
April 11, 2007 - 19:21 ET by 01-20-09Blonde,
None, but our prices are the same as Jersey and less than NY. A clerk
here gets $18 an hour, in Jersey $8. PA cards everyone that looks 30 or
younger. Our biggest problem, as to underage drinking, kids driving to
Jersey where the store owners are likely to sell to kids (and drunks).
01,Well of course the state
April 11, 2007 - 19:34 ET by Blonde01,
Well of course the state has no competition.
Gee, the state is making the profit, plus reaping the taxes, selling at the same price as a neighboring state. What do you suppose the mark-up is on liquor?
Why do you think this is profitable?
Monopolies always are.
Particularly when a monopoly is both owned and regulated by the state (and I mean that as the government). This is akin to highway robbery. And you and your fellow voters put up with this?
01, you should seriously consider taking a couple of economic classes before posting stuff like this.
If this is your justification for government running any business (the post office comes to mind)....sorry, I am beyond words at the concept. Truly. I can't think of a thing to say, but you should know I am shaking my head.
P.S. You might want to start with Milton Friedman.
<edit...$50B a year? Please post a link.>
Blonde, You've been told f
April 11, 2007 - 20:06 ET by 01-20-09Blonde,
You've been told for so long that 2 + 2 = 3, you believe it.
It is better to have clerks making $18 an hour and the CEO $120,000 a
year than: $8 and $50,000,000. It's that simple, but all that Kool-Aid
has you believing different.
Sorry Sport,I deal in three c
April 11, 2007 - 20:11 ET by BlondeSorry Sport,
I deal in three comma money on a daily basis.
Try again.
You didn't address one of the cogent points I've addressed.
I'm sure you are happy to be making $18 bucks an hour as a clerk in PA.
Goodie for you.
Try again.
Econ 101
April 11, 2007 - 20:11 ET by Conservative Voicesays who? You really want the government to dictate how much everyone can make? As soon as you do that there is zero motivation to do well. I am willing to bet this 120K ceo is not worth the $400 million ceo, because if the 120K was worth it, he wouldn't be at that job...duh. Hence the company isn't doing as well as it could...but it gets away with it because its a monopoly. Given any monopoly the quality goes down, incentive to improve goes out the window. This is Econ 101
Enron 101?
April 11, 2007 - 20:14 ET by 01-20-09Enron 101?
too funny, typical response.
April 11, 2007 - 20:19 ET by Conservative Voicetoo funny, typical response. 01 Enron is not every company in America, nor does the fact that somehow illegal activity goes away because its the government that runs it. If you believe that I have a bridge to sell.
Last time I checked felon Enron CEOs don't work there anymore...but people in government like William Jefferson of New Orleans gets a pass...got it.
Cons,What has Jefferson bee
April 11, 2007 - 20:48 ET by 01-20-09Cons,
What has Jefferson been charged with?
seriousness
April 11, 2007 - 20:55 ET by gfrrmanI think it's what you libs call, "the seriousness of the charge" that matters. Bribe money ring a bell? $90,000.00 in a freakin' freezer, for cryin' out loud. What's with you libs?
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
Was he really charged with
April 11, 2007 - 22:22 ET by 01-20-09Was he really charged with keeping money in a freezer?
Did the health inspector nail him?
Hater, it don't matter, he
April 11, 2007 - 22:26 ET by MightyMouthHater, it don't matter, he got a pass! Even you can see this!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Was he really charged with ke
April 11, 2007 - 22:35 ET by bigtimerWas he really charged with keeping money in a freezer?
Did the health inspector nail him?
No little hater...
The Ice-Cream man did...just making his daily rounds....
Man, wheres ding-dong when you need him?
Your knowledge and your econ
April 11, 2007 - 20:22 ET by BlondeYour knowledge and your economic arse is hanging out there all bare with that comment, 01.
CV,Of course this $120K CEO i
April 11, 2007 - 20:18 ET by BlondeCV,
Of course this $120K CEO isn't worth a $10 clerk. He's a government employee with no competition. Geez, I could slay the world if I didn't have to worry about what the other guy was doing!
Poor little 01....definitely not hater...too, um, uninformed.
absolutely, here is the dirty
April 11, 2007 - 20:23 ET by Conservative Voiceabsolutely, here is the dirty little secret that should have all liberals up in arms...the reason why teachers aren't paid well when the average amount schools get is 8-12K per student...is because of administration. Per class of 20 students (on average its more) that is 200K, hmmm so tell me why teachers make as little as they do? Because its the government. The school super makes that 120K+ salary.
If you ask me, because of the
April 11, 2007 - 20:50 ET by UnsaneIf you ask me, because of the shoddy work that many teachers do, many of them are in fact grossly overpaid.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
you have a point, of course m
April 11, 2007 - 21:23 ET by Conservative Voiceyou have a point, of course my point was about administration pay, as that is what he would hopefully understand.
Here is the thing that is missed. The one room classrooms taught kids more ini 6 years than what they graduate today from high school with. The students respected the teacher and the teacher answered directly to the parents. It worked. When the parents are the administration amazing things happen.
01 brain cells
April 11, 2007 - 20:13 ET by gfrrmanROTFLMFAO!!!!! Juvenile!!!
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
Why is it when I read that po
April 11, 2007 - 20:38 ET by UnsaneWhy is it when I read that post, the first thing I thought of was an old song that begins "Throw off you shackles of oppression!" The market, not some Socialist who believes he has the right to steal as much as he wants from other people, AND to tell people what they can and cannot make, determines who gets paid what. Labor is ONLY worth what someone else is willing to pay for it. "HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Uns,Your usual rant is not go
April 11, 2007 - 20:53 ET by BlondeUns,
Your usual rant is not going to work with this one.
He's clueless as to the real world.
You're going to have to work around it in really simple words....can you possibly reframe your debate in words of one syllable?
(Didn't think so). :D
Hypnopaedia and Ludovico's Technique
April 11, 2007 - 20:58 ET by UnsaneI suspect my rants don't work with ANY of them.
I may have to try such things as hypnopaedia and Ludovico's Technique with these Socialists. That MIGHT do the trick...
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Well, of course your rants do
April 11, 2007 - 21:07 ET by BlondeWell, of course your rants don't work on any of them...but you need to work on the dumbed down version.
"Hyper leeches"....um, try "really, really needy people, with seventeen illigitimate children".
Come on, Uns....you're a smart guy...I don't need to spell it out for you...you know how to do this!
Well, for one thing, you mist
April 11, 2007 - 21:22 ET by UnsaneWell, for one thing, you mistranslated my popular phrase "Hyper Evil Rich Leech". A "Hyper Evil Rich Leech" is, in the eyes of a Leftist, anyone on earth who dares make a penny more than the Leftist. :-)
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
You, are a brat!And I've seen
April 11, 2007 - 21:29 ET by BlondeYou, are a brat!
And I've seen you post "hyper rich leeches" a thousand times!
Deal with it!
Blonde,“…Chavez has the r
April 11, 2007 - 20:23 ET by JPR1Blonde,
“…Chavez has the right idea…”
“…drill where the others aren’t.”
I’m thinking remedial government and science classes might be in order as well.
Nice, JPR1....Let's set up a
April 11, 2007 - 20:31 ET by BlondeNice, JPR1....
Let's set up a curriculum for the liberals.
How to become a viable and contributing member of society:
Just for grins, I'd throw in etiquette, and maybe an English class.
Mentoring provided (gratis, of course) by NB posters.
Okay NB Masthead...we need an offical "how to become a conservative" curricula here.
You are hereby appointed Dean
April 11, 2007 - 20:50 ET by JPR1You are hereby appointed Dean Blonde,
Sad thing is, seems to me we used to get all that from public school.
Grandma took care of the etiquette. :-)
Thanks, JPR1.I've had such a
April 11, 2007 - 20:55 ET by BlondeThanks, JPR1.
I've had such a rotten day that a new title is the best thing that's happened.
I like it...thanks again!
<edit: h.t. to your lovely grandmother!!!!>
Rotten day? Interesting.I won
April 11, 2007 - 21:09 ET by JPR1Rotten day? Interesting.
I wonder if any of our lib guests could get their arms around the idea that someone who works with "three-coma-money" could have such a thing.
I can believe it! Kick some tail tommorow!
JPR,You win the prize.No one
April 11, 2007 - 21:32 ET by BlondeJPR,
You win the prize.
No one else even twigged to "three comma money".
But I do, daily.
I'll try to kick it again, tomorrow. That is my mission.
You get the gold star.
Cheers, friend!
Blonde,Taking nothing away fr
April 11, 2007 - 21:39 ET by NeoConfirmedBlonde,
Taking nothing away from JPR1, I twigged on your comment as well.
However, I couldn't respond to my twigginess because my kids' THREE HOLLAR MOMMY had me preoccupied.
Well, Neo...That's a common m
April 11, 2007 - 21:44 ET by BlondeWell, Neo...
That's a common misperception.
It's all about what you make it about!
If you have kids...you better pay attention to their mommy! As it should be.
Great response, there, guy.
After 20 years, she's earned
April 11, 2007 - 21:51 ET by NeoConfirmedAfter 20 years, she's earned my attention on her timecard records alone.
We are best friends. Need I say more...
But she doesn't like politics. Amazing what love can overlook.
Neo...Wow! You phrased that
April 11, 2007 - 22:01 ET by BlondeNeo...
Wow! You phrased that in such a lovely way. Really.
And she lets you post here.
Very, very cool.
Blonde,The truth is easy to t
April 11, 2007 - 22:10 ET by NeoConfirmedBlonde,
The truth is easy to type.
Enough of this mushy stuff, what's up with this little green man Kucinich?
News of him badmouthing big oil is like hearing about Rosie's latest Bush Syndrome meltdown.
I've got an idea, let's all get together for a monthly Ductape March.
Neo,OK...great point.The litt
April 11, 2007 - 22:22 ET by BlondeNeo,
OK...great point.
The little green man Kucinich is a distraction.
But the point is, we conservatives need to gather all of our stuff into one bucket.
I seriously doubt whether Rudy, McC, or Mitt can carry our water.
I am hoping Fred Thompson joins the race. Although, seriously, in his shoes, I would have huge reservations.
Having said that...it is time for him to jump, or not.
If you feel as I do, we need a serious, serious, serious conservative. Someone to be enthused about.
Newt lost me...not that I'd go there, I think he has too much baggage, but he caved.
I will be so totally disappointed if I have to compromise on my presidential vote again. (for the umpteenth time).
I think Fred is one of the fe
April 11, 2007 - 22:29 ET by Conservative VoiceI think Fred is one of the few people who can jazz up the base.
I could vote for Rudy, but I would have to keep a strong eye on him around gun control. McCain, I could not vote for...I would have to vote third party. Mit I could vote for, but his problem is he comes across as slick...and that rubs people the wrong way due to President Clinton. Hence people have a hard time trusting him.
Newt has been a huge disappointment for me. There are other candidates out there, but their problem is they are small fry...they haven't proven themselves to be winable.
"Newt has been a huge di
April 11, 2007 - 22:55 ET by NeoConfirmed"Newt has been a huge disappointment for me."
Agreed (Sadly) Con Voice,
I guess we can take pride in the fact that our party would never elect a known adulterer. With that said, I'm more than dissapointed in the one man that could have slapped down Club Clinton in the realm of public debate.
BTW, if you're not going to run, why admit you're shortcomings?
Blonde,I've maintained for
April 11, 2007 - 22:35 ET by John in CABlonde,
I've maintained for a while that I wouldn't want Newt as President. He's a great idea and policy man, but too wonkish. Basically, I don't trust those types as leaders. Not only from some accounts I've read/heard about Newt as Speaker (and not just from Tom DeLay's book). Look at the last wonkish President we had. Some books I've read on him weren't flattering when it came to making a decision. Oh, yeah, he had an indepth grasp of the issues, but it's the ole' paralysis by analysis. I'm afraid Newt would be the same with a Newt Presidency. He'd be great as a policy advisor, or maybe even a Cabinet member.
If I were Fred, I too might be reluctant to throw my hat in the ring. I do think he's getting closer to make that decision. His announcement today about his indolent lymphoma was to get that out there and see how it floated. If he wasn't coming close to jumping in, he wouldn't have done that.
I heard Fred for a few minutes today on Hannity's radio show. He brought up about needing entitlement reform. I haven't heard one leading GOP candidate talk about that so far. The only talk I've heard about entitlements from the demos is adding more - ergo, universal health care.
Over at RedState they are running a poll on Freds lymphoma. A bit ago it was 80% saying either it didn't harm his viability, or just Run Fred, Run!.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
John...That is exactly why Th
April 11, 2007 - 22:42 ET by bigtimerJohn...
That is exactly why Thompson put this out there today...a trial balloon.
He will announce...this is good news to me...I heard him either on Cavuto, or Hannity I think it was this afternoon...man things get jumbled multi-tasking!
Newt was never a start in my opinion...as I have stated before in various posts.
Just throwing in my two cents.
John,That tells you how far o
April 11, 2007 - 22:50 ET by BlondeJohn,
That tells you how far out of it I am on a daily basis...I was working my ass off today and didn't hear anything about anything...a "whatever it was impediment".
What is the specific problem with Fred Thompson? And what happened?
You know, I usually feel like I am cognizant of what goes on around me, but I guess sometimes I just sink into my own little world.
I suppose it has something to do with being screamed at by a crazy Cuban? Or having fifty some-such people trying to get my attention?
Sorry...just feed me the story, please. I am tired.
Blonde, today Fred announce
April 11, 2007 - 22:57 ET by John in CABlonde, today Fred announced that he has indolent lymphoma. Apparently, he's had it for three years. Was discovered during a routine physical. Says it's never had any effect on him, he's perfectly fine and anticipates no problems.
All the medical analysis I've heard indicates it's really not a problem. As those types of things go, I guess it's farily benign.
Since of all the research I've done on Fred, that was never mentioned, I'm guessing he threw it out there to see what the reaction would be. The only thing I can deduce from that is he's getting closer to throwing his hat in the ring.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
John,What does that mean?I'm
April 11, 2007 - 23:08 ET by BlondeJohn,
What does that mean?
I'm sorry, but I'm really tired...I don't even care to type it. And as you know, the c&p here doesn't work too well.
Blonde, sorry, thought I'd
April 11, 2007 - 23:28 ET by John in CABlonde, sorry, thought I'd answered the query. You're probably aware that lymphoma is a form of cancer, thus likely driving his need to reveal that fact to see what kind of reaction it would get from the voters.
Everything I've heard so far indicates this should not be a problem, medically, for Fred going forward.
Hope that helps.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
Ha! Thank you, I'll wear it p
April 11, 2007 - 21:44 ET by JPR1Ha! Thank you, I'll wear it proudly.
No fears, I'm sure you didn't get to be where your at by being a candy a**.
I'm out for tonight.
Blonde, I just guessed a
April 11, 2007 - 20:31 ET by 01-20-09Blonde,
I just guessed at the $50 billion figure but profits are $384,000,000
-- not too shabby for a $120,000 quarterback. I bet Exxon's ratio to
the CEO is a million times that.
http://www.state.pa.us/papower/cwp/view.asp?A=11&Q=443992
Pissed that the CEO of EXXO
April 11, 2007 - 20:42 ET by MightyMouthPissed that the CEO of EXXON made so much? You coulda been him dumbass, this is friggin America! Stop your whinning, you no expectation having loser!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Silly little lazy leftists a
April 11, 2007 - 20:45 ET by bigtimerSilly little lazy leftists always whine and moan....complain is their middle name, instead of getting off their lazy arses and applying themselves.
Big, I run nine miles a
April 11, 2007 - 21:32 ET by 01-20-09Big,
I run nine miles a day, then I go to work.
How far do you think the Exxon CEO can walk?
I'd rater be me; I do well.
Weak.Extremely weak.
April 11, 2007 - 21:34 ET by BlondeWeak.
Extremely weak.
The "Holier Than Thou" club
April 11, 2007 - 21:35 ET by UnsaneHey! Looks like I have another candidate for my "Holier Than Thou"club!
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Well I will one up your liber
April 11, 2007 - 21:42 ET by Conservative VoiceWell I will one up your liberalism...I don't drive to work. (OK I work at home, couldn't run 9 miles if my life depended on it)
But in any case many ceos are well fit, so once again you have proven yourself sucked in to liberal sterotypes.
Little one...You are so full
April 11, 2007 - 21:49 ET by bigtimerLittle one...
You are so full of BS that I can't even laugh at your lies.
Ask Soros for a raise, maybe you can grow up to be somebody....contemplate that while your doing your nine mile run!
Evil capitalists
April 11, 2007 - 21:59 ET by gfrrman90120, THIS is what those rich, evil capitalists do with THEIR OWN $$$$, you dip. Gov't just pisses it away. Why don't YOU try to be this way? You know you want to.
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
gf..Absolute perfect example.
April 11, 2007 - 22:11 ET by bigtimergf..
Absolute perfect example...you don't really expect a leftist to give credit to the big bad evil rich guy who worked his way to where he got and give to others for college students now do you?
bt, no to a leftist
April 11, 2007 - 22:22 ET by gfrrmanbt, NO. To a leftist, it's better the gov't do this kind of thing. Individual bad. Gov't good
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
Maybe instead of obsessing in
April 11, 2007 - 20:48 ET by UnsaneMaybe instead of obsessing in your intense hatred of capitalism, and plotting to violently punish and steal from people who make as much as a dime more than you, perhaps you ought to focus your energies on how to join them. Besides, as the esteemed poster acaiguana so wisely pointed out, "you can only steal everything once."
Mr. Lee Raymond got $400 million to the overwhelming rage of Socialists like you. But he was worth it. The ExxonMobil board voted to pay him that much, and the check didn't bounce, so he is worth $400 million. Labor is ONLY worth what someone else is willing to pay for it.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Okay 01,We are adding Math 10
April 11, 2007 - 20:49 ET by BlondeOkay 01,
We are adding Math 101 to your curriculum.
$50B does not equal $384M.
Keep trying, tho.
Guessed at the $50B????Contac
April 11, 2007 - 21:01 ET by JPR1Guessed at the $50B????
Contact Nancy Pelosi.
I think she has a spot for you on an appropriations committee.
Oh, jeez, JPR...You already s
April 11, 2007 - 21:55 ET by BlondeOh, jeez, JPR...
You already signed out for this evening.
And I can't personally congratulate you for the most cogent and funny post of the night!
Well, hoping you log on in the a.m. and see this.
Wow.
Perfect. Just absolutely PERFECT!
Thanks again Blonde, A coupl
April 12, 2007 - 08:27 ET by JPR1Thanks again Blonde,
A couple of glasses of high-test Zinfandel brought out that snappy retort.
That and the fact 01 was leading with his chin. Sheesh, you’d think they’d be more careful!
Back by Popular Demand (attack the looters)
April 11, 2007 - 20:34 ET by UnsaneGood to see you are as big a Socialist thief as Kucinich.
And, back by popular demand...
Why do you have this fear of corporate entities that are extremely democratic and as fragile as mayflies, but are oh so willing to turn over everything and anything to the State?
It's really quite simple. Corporations exist because people WANT to buy the products they produce. If there was no market for them, they would quite quickly go away. So people vote on them daily by purchasing the products they make. Additionally, ANYONE can own shares in a corporation, thus owning a part of them, and thus having a say in how they are run.
If you hate a corporation so damn much, why not stop buying from them? Why not buy influence in them - you can by purchasing shares in one, and it is quite legal - and change them from within? (Yes, maybe not one man alone can do this, but you can band together with others to do this, correct?) Or, why not set up your very own corporation that does things the way you would like to see them get done?
Here you are screaming about how corporations are the ultimate arbiters of evil, yet corporations have a extraordinarily long way to go to match the death toll at the hands of the other entity you blindly trust and want to turn over all of your economic freedom to - government. The benevolent tyrannies of Europe have so successfully stifled incentive and capitalism in general that those countries are rotting before our eyes. The more malevolent ones spill much blood in order to accomplish their twisted ends, and for your pleas they could care less. Whereas corporations merely take money to make go away, governments take another much more precious currency - blood. And in too many cases in history, they require lots and lots of blood to be removed from the earth.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Too add, in order to take out
April 11, 2007 - 20:39 ET by Conservative VoiceToo add, in order to take out a business owned by the government often takes blood....or a lot of political clout, which means wasteful harmful businesses plug along with little checks to meet the customers needs...all you have to do is look at Education Department.
............hmmmmm........."A
April 11, 2007 - 20:46 ET by gfrrman............hmmmmm........."Atlas Shrugged"!!!!!!!.........
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
On Atlas Shrugged
April 11, 2007 - 20:55 ET by UnsaneGENIUS novel!!!
Who is John Galt? :-)
It should be required reading for all Congresscritters and Presidential candidates...followed by their writing a nice, long essay on how to apply the principles found within the novel to governance of the country.
(I see a certain Floridian rolling her eyes right about...now.)
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Bad Unsane!Bad, Bad Unsane.Sh
April 11, 2007 - 21:03 ET by BlondeBad Unsane!
Bad, Bad Unsane.
Sheesh!
Unsane
April 11, 2007 - 21:06 ET by gfrrmanUnsane, just think if all the "producers" in this world decided to just top producing, as in the book? Then wth would whiners like BH90120 do? My guess is BH90120 can't read anyway,
I agree with you though about the Congresscritters and the essay. "Atlas Shrugged" should absolutely be required reading!!
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
Here are the figures for the
April 12, 2007 - 14:39 ET by Roger the ShrubberHere are the figures for the PLCB in 2005-06.
They sold $1.5 billion in liquor, not $50 billion, so your numbers are a tad bit off. I have no idea where you got your sales being "mostly wholesale to out of state liquor stores" idea, since what wholesaler would pay an extra 18% liquor tax on their product, plus the 6% state sales tax?
A CEO position was just created last December, based on Fast Eddie Swindell's recommendation of selecting one of the infamous Payjackers of 2005. It used to be run by a chariman of the LCB board, but now one of Eddie's pals will be making a nice $150,000/year, a just reward for screwing over PA taxpayers like me.
You were wrong about pretty much everything you said. Got anything else, or do you want to call it a day?
it sounds like another Boston
April 12, 2007 - 15:03 ET by Conservative Voiceit sounds like another Boston Tea Party is in order, only instead of dressing up as Indians dress up as hippies :)
Thank you for making your Soc
April 11, 2007 - 20:42 ET by UnsaneThank you for making your Socialistic views known in that last sentence. The Founding Fathers expected voter participation rates to be higher than 25% or so...
...and they sure as all hell did not advocate punishing and stealing from wealthy corporations or people. Yes, I noted how you spat out the world "wealthy".
People succeeding, having money, and being happy just enrages you, doesn't it? Too bad you want to use the government to do what you are too chicken to do (commit repeated armed robbery)...
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Collective 'Big Oil' Companie
April 11, 2007 - 17:22 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveCollective 'Big Oil' Companies
Re: Oil price explanation request.
Mr. Kucinich,
As per your request, here are five reasons the price of gasoline has increased over the years:
To remedy this situation that clearly has you in an outrage, we recommend that Congress stops trying to control the oil companies and allow us to develop and produce our products according to the free-market ideas of supply and demand. We would also recommend that by reducing the federal and state taxes to much more modest levels would help to substantially lower the price paid at the pump by you and your constituents. In other words, the answers to your query and the power to correct this lies with you and your congressional collegues. If you'd let us oil companies do our business without your intervention, this never would have been an issue raised by your constituents.
Respectfully,
'Big Oil' Inc.
"I'd rather be bald than to pretend that I'm not!" --Mean Gene Dr. Love on comb-overs.
Help is on the way
April 11, 2007 - 17:33 ET by Cool ArrowFortunately we voted in a fresh batch of Yellow Dog Democrats to look out for us, huh?
oil companies thwarted from drilling off Florida.
April 11, 2007 - 17:44 ET by RJThey could start by allowing U.S. oil companies to drill between Florida and Cuba. Cuba has already contracted with China to do just that.
Of course, the "reason" for preventing our drilling is to "protect the environment." I bet China is doing one hell of a job doing just that.....as they take oil we could be pumping ourselves.
"Did we think Kyoto would [reduce global warming] when we signed it? . . . Hell no!" -Al Gore
That has always made me furio
April 11, 2007 - 17:58 ET by bigtimerThat has always made me furious too about China drilling, Cuba contracting and watching our Senators to ban drilling within a certain amount of miles off of the Fla. coast and against ANWR ect...it never ends.
The Senate missed that (ANWR) by ONE vote...the House had it passed...I thnk McCain for the vote against the drilling..always will, the other RINO's I expected, but McCain believes in GW too.
This is the one topic that ha
April 11, 2007 - 18:12 ET by BlondeThis is the one topic that had me upset with J.E.B....no drillling off Florida. And he sold it to his brother.
Hopefully, one day cooler heads will prevail (instead of the feelings of the enviros). I'm not holding my breath, though.
B,I was furious with Jeb....a
April 11, 2007 - 18:20 ET by bigtimerB,
I was furious with Jeb....and whats his name the Senator there, I want to say Medendez but thats NJ.
Got a mind blank, know it well too.
BT,Mel Martinez of Tampa, Cha
April 11, 2007 - 18:26 ET by BlondeBT,
Mel Martinez of Tampa, Chair of the RNC.
B,Thanks....Yeah, I knew it s
April 11, 2007 - 18:30 ET by bigtimerB,
Thanks....Yeah, I knew it started with an M and sounded somewhat like Mendendez and didn't want to go that far with the leftist crook Mendendez...just love those mind blanks...I could of looked it up, but busy making apple cobbler and listening to the television about Imus and the reason the mighty NBC decided to let him go.
De nada, BT.I knew you knew.
April 11, 2007 - 18:35 ET by BlondeDe nada, BT.
I knew you knew. I call it "partsheimers". I hate when that happens, too!
Poor Don Imus. Too funny.
BTW....I read earlier about your tulips....do you also have irises? If so, I am sooooo jealous. I love irises...nothing compares here in Florida. Also, I love Constant Comment tea....I can't believe you don't have it out there. One bag in with the rest of the sun tea....divine!
Yep Irises coming up too...bu
April 11, 2007 - 18:51 ET by bigtimerYep Irises coming up too...but tulips are in the bak away from house so deer get them unless I keep them sprayed at all times with Deer junk that smells like rotten eggs and old piss, don't know how else to say it...they get through the chicken wire...long story.
Peonies, lilac trees ect...transplanted wild roses...actually transplanted all except tulips, then I plant other flowers in boxes in abut a month depending on GW dontcha' know.
The hypocrisy of what has happened to Imus is sickening, he has been saying this type of stuff for years on msnbc...I detest the man, period, but this whole thing makes me think somebody was waiting for the right opportunity knowing he does this and getting rid of him before the politics of '08 gets heated up big time...I can't help it...and the one he detested the most was Hillary Clinton...conspiracy minded yes I am, after-all Politics is a blood sport and Hillary is nothing but a cut-throat monster when it comes to that.
Kapas is saying it was internal employees saying they wanted him fired, not the sponsors , maybe so, but this all came to attention for some reason....someone was waiting in the shadows for this to happen again with Imus's mouth.
Just my own opinion.
BT,Color me green as spinach
April 11, 2007 - 19:04 ET by BlondeBT,
Color me green as spinach (jealous!). I'd forgotten about peonies! I hope you have some of the big fat pink ones! My fav's.
I went horseback riding up in North Fla. two weeks ago along the Suwanee River....through beautiful trails covered by oak trees...with the wisteria in bloom. It was gorgeous. Don't get me wrong, I love the tropics and all...but I'd love to be able to grow some of the stuff you do up there. I love the difference between the northern and southern climates. Variety makes the world revolve!
Talk about derailing a thread...sorry...I'll get back on topic.
Agreed. I'm no fan of Imus, but this is sheer lunacy to crucify someone for an idiot statement (think Trent Lott....and although it wasn't a wonderful thing to say, it wasn't like murdering someone). Your Broomstick 101 comment is interesting. I wouldn't put a thing past the Clinton machine.
"partsheimers"LOL
April 11, 2007 - 18:54 ET by MightyMouth"partsheimers"
LOL blonde, I got that! I thought it was CRS, but I have been told otherwise! :-)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Either way, MM.It's annoying
April 11, 2007 - 19:07 ET by BlondeEither way, MM.
It's annoying as all get out, though.
By the way, while I am at it,
April 11, 2007 - 18:33 ET by bigtimerBy the way, while I am at it, I am still furious they made Martinez Chair of the RNC.
Just my opinion.
ANWR
April 11, 2007 - 18:31 ET by Cool ArrowAnd ANWR. Is there a better place to drill environmentally speaking? What happens when you spill oil on permafrost? How many people have viewed the pristine wilderness they so vociferously protect?
Besides, those Native Americans (savages, y'know) really need a bunch of YellowDog Democrats to protect them from the the evils of royalties.
They'll just spend it all on whiskey anyway.
When will Kucinich send a l
April 11, 2007 - 20:22 ET by John in CAWhen will Kucinich send a letter to the media, demanding an explanation for the high salaries of media personalities and journalists?
I mean, c'mon, does Katie Cupcake really deserve $15,000,000 per year? When all those stars make that kind of money, that raises the cost of advertising, in turn causing the price of products to go up, which the we, the consumer, pay for. I demand accountability in the media industry, even a government mandated pay schedule. There should be a cap on salaries in that industry. Wouldn't that be fair, since they are just doing their civic duty by being the watchdogs for the American public?
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
This is why governments sho
April 11, 2007 - 20:56 ET by John in CAThis is why governments should not run business.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
Even worse in Venezuela
April 11, 2007 - 21:31 ET by UnsaneIt is even worse than that, John. People tend to think that all oil fields are the same. Not even close to being true, and Venezuela truly has some unique characteristics. The oil fields there produce much heavier, thicker grades of crude, and indeed, not many (if any) refineries outside the Carribbean and the southern United States can refine the crude that comes from Venezuela. To make things more interesting, the oil fields there require lots of TLC from experienced field managers and other drilling personnel so that they can keep producing.
According to an article I read in The Economist some months ago, PDVSA used to be a model of how state-run companies should be run (if you actually WANT a state-run company, which I wouldn't, but we'll leave that for now). Then Hugo Chavez came to power and began staffing the company with his cronies on the sole criteria that they were loyal to him. In so doing, many of the experienced oil field workers and personnel have been fired, and in the long run, this may be damaging to the oil fields that power the Venezuelan economy! Without experienced managers to look after the oil fields to ensure they remain productive, they just decay and perhaps cease being productive permanently. But that's okay, so long as PDVSA's personnel are personally loyal to him...
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Unsane, you have obviously
April 11, 2007 - 21:51 ET by John in CAUnsane, you have obviously done your homework. Most Americans probably don't know there is a difference between light, sweet crude and heavy, sour crude. They especially don't know the difficulty that refining heavy crude entails.
I've been saying for a couple of years that the administration is missing an opportunity to educate the American public on the oil industry, and why we are in the position we are in. Of course, I'm guessing the oil companies aren't doing a great job of that either - choosing to advertise the positive aspects of their industry rather than document the hardships they face. I'm guessing the average TV viewer wouldn't have much sympathy for their plight.
There is a guy in Arizona who has been trying to get a refinery built for about five years now. Last I read on this, a few months ago, he was into the process to the tune of about $30,000,000 and had yet to turn the first shovel full of dirt.
Of course, if we had good reporting, some of the obstacles the oil industry faces would be known. However, that would not allow them to vilify the greedy oil companies.
Just start asking anyone who gripes about gas prices how many gallons are in a barrel of crude. How many gallons of petroleum product are refined from each barrel. How many gallons of refined gasoline from each barrel. Probaby 90% can't answer any of those questions.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
More on gasoline
April 11, 2007 - 22:10 ET by UnsaneAnd here is another thing that Americans don't factor in either (or perhaps even want to):
With all of the regulations facing gasoline for various reasons (for instance: in San Antonio you buy gasoline without ethanol, but here in Houston, with more stringent air quality standards, a 10% blend of ethanol is mandated, to go along with other regulations, such as more costly vehicle inspections), the logistics of transporting gasoline is a huge factor. Another (and perhaps better example: for years I paid no attention to octane grades, because I thought they didn't change at all. Then I drove to AK and found out real fast that this isn't so. I have yet to see 85 octane gasoline in TX (they might sell it somewhere, it is a huge state and even I haven't seen it all!), but that is considered unleaded grade in Denver. To get the 87 octane I needed, I had to pay the unleaded plus rate. Then, when I got to MT, I saw that there was an 88.5 octane, which I believe was unleaded. On the drive, there were places where I could not find the 87 octane I was looking for and filled up with a worthy substitute (the closest I could get to 87).
All of these things go into the price per gallon. Why do most Americans not know about this? It's a reflection of 1) the media's poor grasp on economics, 2) poor education, 3) poor critical thinking skills and 4) people not wanting to take into consideration where their money goes.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
gasoline
April 11, 2007 - 22:19 ET by gfrrmanUnsane, you are most correct about the uneducated dumb-masses about gasoline. EVERY year the refineries have to shut down or alter their schedules for ALL the different types of blends. California has the most blends and they pay through the nose because of this. This interrupts the supply, therefore the price goes up. And this HAPPENS EVERY YEAR around this time and the freakin' MSM go ballistic like it's unexpected. A stupid uninformed public by the MSM is a politicians dream!!
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
Boutique fuel blends. Some
April 11, 2007 - 22:23 ET by John in CABoutique fuel blends. Some federally imposed for different regions (IIRC, sixteen different for the whole US) and then locally imposed blends. I think Chicago has it's own unique blend, and of course so does Ca.
I was just out and saw a gallon of regular for $3.349. Part of that cost is the .62/gal in federal and state taxes and part is the added cost of blending for Ca.
The gas price whiners never take into account what all those special blends do to the cost of doing business - especially in the summer.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
JohnCA
April 11, 2007 - 22:31 ET by gfrrmanDoesn't the govt get the biggest slice of pie from a gallon of gas? Yet the dumb m-asses bitch and moan when the mean old oil companies make .09-.10 on a gallon of gas. And then they put most of that back into the process of getting that gas back to the market.
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER