Mainstream media anchors occasionally do some explicit cheerleading for a liberal politician. That's exactly what CNN host Miles O'Brien did on Wednesday's "American Morning." He reported that dark horse Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich "flexes his muscle with big oil over the skyrocketing price of gas, and we say go to it."
Kucinich flexing his muscle? Now, that's a mental image that doesn't immediately come to mind.
O'Brien's remark was made during a lead-in to a segment by CNN senior business correspondent Ali Velshi. Velshi's report gave some details of the ultra-liberal congressman's efforts.
ALI VELSHI: Dennis Kucinich, he's the chairman of the domestic policy subcommittee, has written letters to seven major oil companies, asking them a question we would like an answer to - explaining the high price of gas....
So Kucinich is asking these oil companies to explain particularly refining. He cited examples in California where he says prices of refining a barrel of oil have jumped from $17 a barrel five years ago to $39 a barrel, and that's creating a big upward swing in the price of gasoline.
He also wants to know about refining capacity in California. Again, he says that in 1985, the refineries were operating at 76 percent of capacity, so lots of room to grow. Now, they're running at 92 percent of capacity, which means that there's not enough room. If a refinery has to go down for maintenance or repair or switch over blends of gasoline, what happens is then they can't refine more gas, and it becomes a supply and demand issue. Gas prices spike. We see this every spring. This is what happens. We're not growing refineries in this country. So he would like responses. He's asked for detailed and documented answers to a series of questions that he has laid out in a letter by April the 25th. We will be eager to hear what those responses are.
As the segment closed, O'Brien and Velshi listed some of the reasons why new refineries have not been built.
M. O'BRIEN: No one wants a refinery in their backyard.
VELSHI: They're dirty. They're hard to get approval for, but they are - and they're expensive, but we got to do something. We got to use less gasoline or build more refineries.
Notice, though, that both O'Brien and Velshi fail to mention two other major reasons there aren't any new refineries - too many regulations and litigation costs.
The mainstream media's laser beam-focus on oil companies as the leading reason for high oil prices only serves to forward the agenda of liberals like Kucinich.
—Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.
Comments Policy
If in '08 there is not one co
April 11, 2007 - 17:37 ET by bigtimerIf in '08 there is not one conservative candidate running that does not mention us here in the USA being self-depent on our own oil, drilling environmentally safely and building more refineries, I will not vote.
Period.
We are paying terrorist countries for oil, we are at war with the terrorists, money get laundered to help terrorists that want us dead with oil...Oil for-Food anyone.
We have enough oil here and on our shores to support us just fine.
If a conservative does not mention that it is the democrats that have put us in this position for over thirty years with our dependency on other countries with their enviro campaign money for their votes...I am done voting.
I have had it!
This is where I have been very disappointed with President Bush..switch grass fine, in the meantime we need OIL and REFINERIES built, the regulations need to be lifted, we can use other means fine and dandy, but oil is going to be the answer for years and years to come.
bt...Did you happen to catch
April 11, 2007 - 17:45 ET by Clear thinkerbt...
Did you happen to catch any of the debate yesterday on Global Warming between Newt and John Kerry? I don't know about anyone else, but I was sorely disapointed in Newt.
Hopefully, if we can get Fred to run, he will have the guts to force drilling in our own country. I personally consider it a national security issue, and a clear thinking leader should be looking at it from that angle.
The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.
Ct...Posts disappeared yester
April 11, 2007 - 17:55 ET by bigtimerCt...
Posts disappeared yesterday...I was on here bight and early telling everyone the so-called debate was about to start in about a half hour before it did on C-Span.
I was furious, disgusted disappointed and could not watch it all!
That did it for me with Newt...and I said as such on here quite a few times!
I am still steamed as I said here too about that all!
What a farce.
They may as well hugged each other as they were patting each other on the back....never again!
Thompson/Hunter...or Tancredo...those are my three...so far anyway.
I heard Rush lamenting it.
April 11, 2007 - 18:19 ET by mattmI heard Rush lamenting it. Newt is a disappointment. (He presided over the 1995 cave, remember) He should be on a policy team or in a Party leadership position, but not a presidential candidate.
Hi mattm..I wouldn't want him
April 11, 2007 - 18:31 ET by bigtimerHi mattm..
I wouldn't want him picking where the party should send money if a candidate needs help for the republican side of the aisle, he reminds me more of a Rove stategist...he hurt two pople I know of here in the NW can't remember both of their names at the moment but one was Linda Smith from Washington, she did not bend to his will, he cancelled a big fund-raiser for her and one in Idaho because they did not agree with his pac money thing then.
I llike Newt in a lot of ways, but I am through hoping he has any ties in decision making in this country.. it is just my opinion.
Big, Did you expect him to
April 11, 2007 - 18:38 ET by 01-20-09Big,
Did you expect him to yell like Billy O'Noisy, that only works on the Fox News Shows.
Their toothless hillbilly viewers love it.
Well I woke up this mornin' Got myself a beer
Hi hater..You are obvious you
April 11, 2007 - 18:43 ET by bigtimerHi hater..
You are obvious you know!
He is quite obvious....THough
April 12, 2007 - 19:11 ET by BDHe is quite obvious....
THough he tried to cover it with supposed "kids" it is the same old Hater on the line....
I don't think Newt realizes h
April 11, 2007 - 18:59 ET by Conservative VoiceI don't think Newt realizes how he destroyed his chances in winning. His only hope was the conservative base, who were willing to overlook some of his short falls. We liked him because he was a fighter. I am not sure what has happened to him, but it seems he is no longer a fighter.
Big,Vote for Rootie.Well I
April 11, 2007 - 19:10 ET by 01-20-09Big,
Vote for Rootie.
Well I woke up this mornin' Got myself a beerHi Hater...You are obvious yo
April 11, 2007 - 19:16 ET by bigtimerHi Hater...
You are obvious you know.
Thompson/Hunter/or Tancredo!
Big, Rudy is so far ahead
April 11, 2007 - 19:40 ET by 01-20-09Big,
Rudy is so far ahead they'll never catch him, the Jersey Girls adore him.
It will be:
Rudy
Hillary
Keep trolling, 01.It's the ki
April 11, 2007 - 19:45 ET by BlondeKeep trolling, 01.
It's the kind of behaviour that will get you booted off the site.
Let him be B,Hater is enterta
April 11, 2007 - 19:57 ET by bigtimerLet him be B,
Hater is entertaining for awhile...power is fine, but playing with a mouse is fun now then, just watch a cat.
Some of us have missed him a little teeny weeny bit...he was here long before you now just remember that some of us oldie but goodies like to paw him around.
Kicking everybody off of here is going to be boring.
BT, I don't boot 'em. They
April 11, 2007 - 20:13 ET by BlondeBT,
I don't boot 'em. They cause that all by themselves.
I certainly remember hater. Alot of his iterations, actually.
I've had that kind of a day.....
its too early to tell. But
April 11, 2007 - 19:48 ET by Conservative Voiceits too early to tell. But if the race does go between rudy and hillary, rudy will win, Hillary is not likable, Rudy is.
Hillary will take Ohio and
April 11, 2007 - 20:10 ET by 01-20-09Hillary will take Ohio and Florida, game over.
She may take up to five red states.
All she has to do is let Bill do her talking.
wont work...Bill can't debate
April 11, 2007 - 20:19 ET by Conservative Voicewont work...Bill can't debate for her. And those who Bill has endorsed lost. Ohio and FL will be close, its way too early to tell. She may lose 5 blue states. I am not even confident that she will win the primary. She isn't likable, and she isn't Bill. She is cold, calculating, that no one can relate to.
CV,I second that.Plus, she cr
April 11, 2007 - 20:23 ET by BlondeCV,
I second that.
Plus, she creates a visceral reaction from certain people (like me).
Creeps me out, putting it politely.
I hope she loses by a huge margin in the primaries.
Put Broomstick 101 in her proper place, for the very first time in her life. Tatooed with a big "L" on her head.
Cancellation request
April 11, 2007 - 21:28 ET by UnsaneWell, that's good enough for me! Let's cancel the 2008 elections! Why bother holding them if we know what is going to happen?
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
“My level of concern and
April 11, 2007 - 20:58 ET by 01-20-09“My level of concern and dismay is very, very high,” said Mickey Edwards, a
Republican former congressman from Oklahoma who is now a lecturer in public
policy at the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at
Princeton. “It’s not that I have any particular problem with the people who are
running for the Republican nomination. I just don’t know how they can run hard
enough or fast enough to escape the gravitational pull of the Bush
administration.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/11/us/politics/11repubs.html?8br
and what is your point? Fir
April 11, 2007 - 21:02 ET by Conservative Voiceand what is your point? First you don't even understand why President Bush's poll numbers are down, second congressman Edwards is who? and who cares?
01,You're throwing out the fe
April 11, 2007 - 21:03 ET by Blonde01,
You're throwing out the feint again.
Try posting on your own.
Your own thoughts, your own ideas.
You show some potential, but this, and most of your earlier efforts, are weak.
Keep trying though.
What's the point? Mickey E
April 11, 2007 - 21:04 ET by MightyMouthWhat's the point? Mickey Edwards couldn't hack it as a congressman so he is stumping for the dems on College speaking engagements? BFD!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
"...to escape the grav
April 11, 2007 - 21:13 ET by John in CA"...to escape the gravitational pull of the Bush administration.”
Better than that, it might be hard for the demo candidates to escape the implosion of the democrat congress. A year from now, there will be enough Republicans fed up with their shenanigans, they'll turn out in record numbers - thus ensuring a GOP victory.
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
Is there a point in your word
April 11, 2007 - 21:23 ET by JABIs there a point in your word placement there 90210?!
"said Mickey Edwards, a
Republican former congressman from Oklahoma"
if there was not an agenda why could it not have read;
said Mickey Edwards, a
former Republican congressman from Oklahoma.
See how simple it can be! Just keep placing your bets on the ignorate masses, I shall place my bet from there as well!
LAME at best, you C&P Dolt!
"To bad Ignorance isn't painful..."
BT, he doesn't even deny it
April 11, 2007 - 19:47 ET by MightyMouthBT, he doesn't even deny it anymore. Poor kids having trouble in his life. Needs a father figure I suspect.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM..The little one has missed
April 11, 2007 - 20:00 ET by bigtimerMM..
The little one has missed us...needs to be guided again...him lonely....lol!
I think your right BT. The
April 11, 2007 - 20:10 ET by MightyMouthI think your right BT. There can't be much adult guidance at SFN. Eventually kids need boundries and goals. Otherwise they end up coming home (if they have a home to come back to). My suggestion for the little one: Join the Military, that will make a man out of you. Of course if you don't want to be a man, then the Military is NOT for you. :-)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM......and of course we know
April 11, 2007 - 20:16 ET by bigtimerMM...
...and of course we know the military is not for the little one...they are the bad guys in his only wee brain cell floating in that otherwise vast emptiness between his ears...
LOL!
Draft the sucka! I'll watch t
April 11, 2007 - 20:20 ET by MightyMouthDraft the sucka! I'll watch the Kanadian border! Who's got the south?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM...I remember his love for
April 11, 2007 - 20:31 ET by bigtimerMM...
I remember his love for that Kanadian Border with him well...
We don't want tumbleweedo gaurding the Southern border now do we....
LOL!
Any volunteers?
BT - I am on the Gingrich ---
April 12, 2007 - 19:16 ET by misterbillBT - I am on the Gingrich ---distribution list. I sent an email to the site that sends me emails. I told Newt that he lost a ton of support for caving in to the GW bull shedders. My meaage came back with a webmaster "wrong address'. Is it possible Newt jumped off the earth because of his goof?????
LOL misterb...I am just in an
April 12, 2007 - 19:36 ET by bigtimerLOL misterb...
I am just in and out of here real quick, got to catch up with some stuff for my sins of staying on here too long today.
As for Gingrich....you can bet he must of got a heck of a lot of very disappointed angry backers, that no longer will support him after this sorry display.
Just my opinion of course...
Easier to ignore the problem and pretend like it didn't happen and hope it will just blow in the Global Warming winds of peoples minds and they will just forget about it all...
Newsflash....IT WON'T!
You may never see a new ref
April 11, 2007 - 18:23 ET by 01-20-09You may never see a new refinery, they closed around 20 in the last 15 years.
The remaining once are constantly made more efficient, the small ones close because updating them is too costly.
What we need are 100 mpg cars. I saw on Discovery, 10 years ago, a
guberment developed motorcycle that got 1,000 miles per gallon, used on
missions near the South Poll. It probably fell in the ocean by because
of global warming by now. lol
http://www.energy.ca...
"too costly..."
April 11, 2007 - 18:28 ET by RJ"too costly..." Due specifically to government over-regulation, not market forces.
As for the 1,000 mpg motorcycle, they keep it out at Area 51, with the carburator that runs on water
"Did we think Kyoto would [reduce global warming] when we signed it? . . . Hell no!" -Al Gore
"What we need are 100 mp
April 11, 2007 - 18:37 ET by Mean Gene Dr. Love"What we need are 100 mpg cars"
This is a nice idea, but the kinetic energy contained in a gallon of gas can only do so much. The motorcycle that got "1000 MPG" was probably, very small, lightweight, and had a very light cargo capacity (if your recollection is correct). If we did have a car that got 100 MPG, I would bet that it was very small, it would be a one seater (maby two), and would have little to no cargo capacity, and would have a body made out of aluminum foil.
All technologies have limitations.
"I'd rather be bald than to pretend that I'm not!" --Mean Gene Dr. Love on comb-overs.
The motorcycle was a mule,
April 11, 2007 - 18:56 ET by 01-20-09The motorcycle was a mule, it towed 300 pounds of cargo. You could run it indoors, as it burnt all of its exhaust.
It really wasn't that cost efficient, you can get a 90 mpg cycle for
$5,000 from a dealer and just carry extra gas. I bet they had a million
into it, but why not share that technology?
You lied 01-20-09
April 12, 2007 - 09:21 ET by SportPoliticsYou lied 01-20-09. World record motorcycle 157mpg, and it takes 15 minutes to get into it.
But, remember, we are keeping all the best technology from you lowly peasant like fantasists. When the earth begins to overheat, you'll die, and we will not. Looks like you've been banned already as well, so enjoy reading this , but not commenting liar. lol
Top speed 15 mile per hour! @
April 12, 2007 - 20:12 ET by upcountrywaterTop speed 15 mile per hour! @ 90 miles/gallon.
If it "burnt all of it's exhaust" Then there would be no need for an EXHAUST PIPE. as if LMAO
La la land. Refineries go dow
April 11, 2007 - 19:29 ET by bassndudeLa la land. Refineries go down at regular intervals, once a year to replace pipe, air ducts, holding tanks, heaters and various other parts that ware out. The pipe they use in refining gas is crome. The pipe is black but it is high crome content. That helps it retain its strength at high temps. Gas in heated to 800 degrees F, pushed through the pipe into the octain tank. Know what the octain tank is full of? After the out law of lead in gas, the only other solution to raise the octaine levels was platinum. It sells for about 1200 to 1300 per ounce. This is shreaded into little bitty pieces, and stuffed into a big ole steel tank, average size is about 8 feet dia. and 24 feet high. This has to be replaced at least once a year. Under heavy refining, maybe twice. Wanna know why gas went up so much so quick? There is part of your answer. Your burning platinum I have more if you want.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
What I need
April 11, 2007 - 21:30 ET by UnsaneWhat I need is for you to NOT tell me what I need. I need a new truck that gets 15 mph city/20 mpg highway, because I want to of my own freewill.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
CA and energy
April 12, 2007 - 00:45 ET by mastersofdeceitDon't know if anyone's mentioned it yet. This isn't about oil but LNG pipelines in Ca.
Lands panel denies lease for pipelines.
"The decision was met with loud cheers by the estimated 900 people who packed the auditorium for Monday's commission hearing. Many were opponents who wore blue shirts emblazoned with the words "Terminate the Terminal."
"about 14 miles off Malibu and about 20 miles off Oxnard. BHP officials have said the facility would provide a reliable source of low-polluting energy." I'm gonna go waaay out on a limb here and bet that the Malibu Mercedes Marxists* monied riff-raff influence held the most sway.
* Mercedes Marxists Hat Tip to Al Rantel.
mod,Halle Berry and Pierce Br
April 12, 2007 - 00:55 ET by bigtimermod,
Halle Berry and Pierce Bronson....good old Hollywood leftist twits that think this enery just gets to their homes like poof magic...like the pretend world they live in.
My home state has gone to hell, makes me want to cry...I have got to see my homestead one more time, and sell...breaks my heart.
I would expect nothing less, and this country as a whole lives in la-la land when it comes to energy....I just hope I live long enough to see the day wehn thee idiots run out because of their own power....and have no choice but to see reality...I fear that will never happen, they want every little thing run by magic, which is also the govt. for them.
Socialistic idiots.
Seeing as how Dennis is chair
April 11, 2007 - 17:54 ET by bassndudeSeeing as how Dennis is chairman of domestic policy, why is it he dosent know why the gas prices in Ca. have gone up? He isint stupid or he would not have picked Ca for the questions. Stringent laws concerning gas in Ca. are the reason. Pollution controls? Refineries in California? Ha! They cant even build a mall or fix the roads out there because of the tree huggers. Taxes? Isint that one of the use controls that California uses to keep folks from driving so much? Dennis is either stupid! or out of his mind to think that people really belive this is anything but a stupid political ploy.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Kucinich has always reminded
April 11, 2007 - 18:00 ET by RJKucinich has always reminded me of the Pee Wee Herman of politics.
RJ...He has always reminded m
April 11, 2007 - 18:02 ET by bigtimerRJ...
He has always reminded me of My Favoite Martian!
Kucinich flexing his muscle?
April 11, 2007 - 19:26 ET by FOXFANKucinich flexing his muscle? Like wimpy Harry Reid flexing his muscle. If both were standing next to a podium and you slammed a book on it, both would be knocked off their feet from the gust of wind.
Fox...Laugh out loud funny...
April 11, 2007 - 21:38 ET by bigtimerFox...
Laugh out loud funny...and true too!
"Kucinich has always r
April 11, 2007 - 21:36 ET by John in CA"Kucinich has always reminded me of the Pee Wee Herman of politics."
Kazoo
Give a Democrat Party free America a chance!
My money is on stupid, bass
April 11, 2007 - 18:01 ET by dabalMy money is on stupid, bass. He is a liberal, after all...
I saw an AARP type at the gas
April 11, 2007 - 18:06 ET by mattmI saw an AARP type at the gas station the other day who was complaining about "record profits" and high prices. I didn't want to give him a heart attack so I refrained from asking his opinion on additional gas taxes, building more refineries, drilling in ANWR, etc....
"Everybody talks about the weather (or energy costs) but nobody does anything about it" - Mark Twain
Ron Paul
April 11, 2007 - 18:07 ET by ecnirPI wonder how many invites darkhorse candidate Ron Paul will get from CNN versus the number of times darkhorse candidate Dennis Kucinich will appear on the network. [can we still say "darkhorse" these days?]
gas taxes
April 11, 2007 - 18:10 ET by gfrrmanNo mention too that the federal gov't. gets more $$$(gas tax) from a gallon of gas than any other entity. If one wants to look at why a gallon of gas is so expensive look no further than the Federal government!!!! Kucinich is a stupid weasel of a politician. How he heads ANY committee is beyond the pale.
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
i hate oil companies, and it
April 11, 2007 - 18:17 ET by sajc05i hate oil companies, and it has nothing to do with how much thier profits are, good for them if they can make it, its the fact that they have way to much control over our politicians...the founders never wanted to see that our gov't is controlled by the most weathy corporations instead of the people...
Then, by your logic you must
April 11, 2007 - 18:21 ET by RJThen, by your logic you must also "hate" unions, hollywood, and every other business and organization that has sway over politicans.
It's not those entities, but the greedy, self-serving pols that need to be "hated".
That's right, RJ. Every polit
April 11, 2007 - 18:27 ET by Mean Gene Dr. LoveThat's right, RJ. Every politician has the choice to take the high road of integrity or to take the low road of greed. All too often they choose greed. You can't blame the person or group that tries to buy a politician.
"I'd rather be bald than to pretend that I'm not!" --Mean Gene Dr. Love on comb-overs.
"i hate oil companies,
April 11, 2007 - 19:23 ET by ckc1227"i hate oil companies, and it has nothing to do with how much thier profits are, good for them if they can make it, its the fact that they have way to much control over our politicians."
That's not the oil companies fault, it's the fault of the politicians who allow themselves to be "controlled", which means your hatred is misplaced. If politicians refused to be bought, big business would have little control over them.
Bottom line, it's not the oil companies in control, it's the politician's who tell big business to pay up or shut up.
sajcTax the heck out of the
April 11, 2007 - 19:28 ET by 01-20-09sajc
Tax the heck out of them; they won't have all that loot to buy our leaders, balance the budget at the same time.
I think Hugo Chavez has the right idea, our government should start an
oil company, drill where the others aren't. It would keep Exxon on its
toes and could only increase production.
I'm am convinced Exxon and others are back door fixing gas prices. Anytime they slaked to boost prices, Gouberment Oil wouldn't.
If JFK put TWA in charge of going to the moon, we still wouldn't be
there and the Commodore 64 would still be in the planing stage.
Waddya drinking buddy? (or
April 11, 2007 - 19:34 ET by MightyMouthWaddya drinking buddy? (or smokin)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
OK Mr Communist, first off wh
April 11, 2007 - 19:37 ET by Conservative VoiceOK Mr Communist, first off why stop at oil? Why shouldn't government farm? make clothes? beer? phone? internet? build cars? drugs?
Fact, the government already makes more than the oil companies on gas, its not even close.
Should we look at the train industry and how government destroyed it?
You want cheap gas, allow for more competition...allow for more drilling and cut gasoline taxes.
Oil after all is healthy for America...its organic.
01,Riiiiiight.Because the gov
April 11, 2007 - 19:40 ET by Blonde01,
Riiiiiight.
Because the government is so supremely efficient at doing everything.
I bet you are just waiting in antici......pation (h.t. Noel) for Hillarycare.
Why don't you try posting something substantial instead of your little liberal jabs which are truly pathetic?
Blonde, In all do respec
April 11, 2007 - 19:58 ET by 01-20-09Blonde,
In all do respect :-)
The most efficient company in the world is the Pennsylvania state owned liquor stores and distributors.
Their sales are $50,000,000,000 a year, mostly wholesale to out of state liquor stores.
The CEO gets $120,000 a year and the use of a van.
If Exxon took over the CEO would get a $50,000,000 bonus and Johnnie Walker Red would be $100 to pay for it.
If you could drive your car
April 11, 2007 - 20:02 ET by MightyMouthIf you could drive your car on Johnnie Walker the CEO would get the 50 mil too, don't ya think?
sorry to bust in blonde.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
01,In all due respect, how ma
April 11, 2007 - 20:09 ET by Blonde01,
With all due respect, how many other liquor stores and distributors are there in PA?
Blonde, None, but our pr
April 11, 2007 - 20:21 ET by 01-20-09Blonde,
None, but our prices are the same as Jersey and less than NY. A clerk
here gets $18 an hour, in Jersey $8. PA cards everyone that looks 30 or
younger. Our biggest problem, as to underage drinking, kids driving to
Jersey where the store owners are likely to sell to kids (and drunks).
01,Well of course the state
April 11, 2007 - 20:34 ET by Blonde01,
Well of course the state has no competition.
Gee, the state is making the profit, plus reaping the taxes, selling at the same price as a neighboring state. What do you suppose the mark-up is on liquor?
Why do you think this is profitable?
Monopolies always are.
Particularly when a monopoly is both owned and regulated by the state (and I mean that as the government). This is akin to highway robbery. And you and your fellow voters put up with this?
01, you should seriously consider taking a couple of economic classes before posting stuff like this.
If this is your justification for government running any business (the post office comes to mind)....sorry, I am beyond words at the concept. Truly. I can't think of a thing to say, but you should know I am shaking my head.
P.S. You might want to start with Milton Friedman.
<edit...$50B a year? Please post a link.>
Blonde, You've been told f
April 11, 2007 - 21:06 ET by 01-20-09Blonde,
You've been told for so long that 2 + 2 = 3, you believe it.
It is better to have clerks making $18 an hour and the CEO $120,000 a
year than: $8 and $50,000,000. It's that simple, but all that Kool-Aid
has you believing different.
Sorry Sport,I deal in three c
April 11, 2007 - 21:11 ET by BlondeSorry Sport,
I deal in three comma money on a daily basis.
Try again.
You didn't address one of the cogent points I've addressed.
I'm sure you are happy to be making $18 bucks an hour as a clerk in PA.
Goodie for you.
Try again.
Econ 101
April 11, 2007 - 21:11 ET by Conservative Voicesays who? You really want the government to dictate how much everyone can make? As soon as you do that there is zero motivation to do well. I am willing to bet this 120K ceo is not worth the $400 million ceo, because if the 120K was worth it, he wouldn't be at that job...duh. Hence the company isn't doing as well as it could...but it gets away with it because its a monopoly. Given any monopoly the quality goes down, incentive to improve goes out the window. This is Econ 101
Enron 101?
April 11, 2007 - 21:14 ET by 01-20-09Enron 101?
too funny, typical response.
April 11, 2007 - 21:19 ET by Conservative Voicetoo funny, typical response. 01 Enron is not every company in America, nor does the fact that somehow illegal activity goes away because its the government that runs it. If you believe that I have a bridge to sell.
Last time I checked felon Enron CEOs don't work there anymore...but people in government like William Jefferson of New Orleans gets a pass...got it.
Cons,What has Jefferson bee
April 11, 2007 - 21:48 ET by 01-20-09Cons,
What has Jefferson been charged with?
seriousness
April 11, 2007 - 21:55 ET by gfrrmanI think it's what you libs call, "the seriousness of the charge" that matters. Bribe money ring a bell? $90,000.00 in a freakin' freezer, for cryin' out loud. What's with you libs?
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
Was he really charged with
April 11, 2007 - 23:22 ET by 01-20-09Was he really charged with keeping money in a freezer?
Did the health inspector nail him?
Hater, it don't matter, he
April 11, 2007 - 23:26 ET by MightyMouthHater, it don't matter, he got a pass! Even you can see this!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Was he really charged with ke
April 11, 2007 - 23:35 ET by bigtimerWas he really charged with keeping money in a freezer?
Did the health inspector nail him?
No little hater...
The Ice-Cream man did...just making his daily rounds....
Man, wheres ding-dong when you need him?
Your knowledge and your econ
April 11, 2007 - 21:22 ET by BlondeYour knowledge and your economic arse is hanging out there all bare with that comment, 01.
CV,Of course this $120K CEO i
April 11, 2007 - 21:18 ET by BlondeCV,
Of course this $120K CEO isn't worth a $10 clerk. He's a government employee with no competition. Geez, I could slay the world if I didn't have to worry about what the other guy was doing!
Poor little 01....definitely not hater...too, um, uninformed.
absolutely, here is the dirty
April 11, 2007 - 21:23 ET by Conservative Voiceabsolutely, here is the dirty little secret that should have all liberals up in arms...the reason why teachers aren't paid well when the average amount schools get is 8-12K per student...is because of administration. Per class of 20 students (on average its more) that is 200K, hmmm so tell me why teachers make as little as they do? Because its the government. The school super makes that 120K+ salary.
If you ask me, because of the
April 11, 2007 - 21:50 ET by UnsaneIf you ask me, because of the shoddy work that many teachers do, many of them are in fact grossly overpaid.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
you have a point, of course m
April 11, 2007 - 22:23 ET by Conservative Voiceyou have a point, of course my point was about administration pay, as that is what he would hopefully understand.
Here is the thing that is missed. The one room classrooms taught kids more ini 6 years than what they graduate today from high school with. The students respected the teacher and the teacher answered directly to the parents. It worked. When the parents are the administration amazing things happen.
01 brain cells
April 11, 2007 - 21:13 ET by gfrrmanROTFLMFAO!!!!! Juvenile!!!
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER
Why is it when I read that po
April 11, 2007 - 21:38 ET by UnsaneWhy is it when I read that post, the first thing I thought of was an old song that begins "Throw off you shackles of oppression!" The market, not some Socialist who believes he has the right to steal as much as he wants from other people, AND to tell people what they can and cannot make, determines who gets paid what. Labor is ONLY worth what someone else is willing to pay for it. "HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Uns,Your usual rant is not go
April 11, 2007 - 21:53 ET by BlondeUns,
Your usual rant is not going to work with this one.
He's clueless as to the real world.
You're going to have to work around it in really simple words....can you possibly reframe your debate in words of one syllable?
(Didn't think so). :D
Hypnopaedia and Ludovico's Technique
April 11, 2007 - 21:58 ET by UnsaneI suspect my rants don't work with ANY of them.
I may have to try such things as hypnopaedia and Ludovico's Technique with these Socialists. That MIGHT do the trick...
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Well, of course your rants do
April 11, 2007 - 22:07 ET by BlondeWell, of course your rants don't work on any of them...but you need to work on the dumbed down version.
"Hyper leeches"....um, try "really, really needy people, with seventeen illigitimate children".
Come on, Uns....you're a smart guy...I don't need to spell it out for you...you know how to do this!
Well, for one thing, you mist
April 11, 2007 - 22:22 ET by UnsaneWell, for one thing, you mistranslated my popular phrase "Hyper Evil Rich Leech". A "Hyper Evil Rich Leech" is, in the eyes of a Leftist, anyone on earth who dares make a penny more than the Leftist. :-)
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
You, are a brat!And I've seen
April 11, 2007 - 22:29 ET by BlondeYou, are a brat!
And I've seen you post "hyper rich leeches" a thousand times!
Deal with it!