CNN’s Miles O’Brien: Democrat-Run Congress 'Riding Pretty High' at 40%

Photo of Matthew Balan.

The mainstream media often uses polls to give a biased impression, and CNN’s Miles O’Brien used a recent AP/IPSOS poll to paint a rosy picture of the Democrat-controlled Congress. O’Brien reported on Tuesday that the Democrats were "riding pretty high" with a 40 percent approval rating. For some comparison, in September 2005, CNN’s Wolf Blitzer characterized a 40 percent approval rating for President Bush as "a low point," and used the figure to reenforce his report on the President’s "political troubles."

It’s interesting to note that another recent poll by Gallup puts the current approval rating of Congress at 33%. This is up 7 percent since October 2006, which was right before the election as well.

It’s in CNN’s best interest to report the higher approval number if they want to portray the Democrat-controlled Congress as "riding pretty high."

An excerpt of O’Brien’s report, which he read during the 6 and 7 am hours of Tuesday's "American Morning."

M. O'BRIEN: Lawmakers will also take up the thorny issue of federal funding for stem cell research. The Senate likely to approve the idea ,and that sets the stage for another presidential veto. Democrats are marking 100 days of their congressional reign now, and they're riding pretty high. Right now, 40 percent of the nation approves of the job lawmakers are doing, that's up from 25 percent from right before the election last fall. The numbers from Associated Press/IPSOS polls.

Also, an excerpt of Wolf Blitzer with CNN political analyst Bill Schneider on "The Situation Room" on September 19, 2005:

WOLF BLITZER: President Bush's approval rating back to its low–low point of 40% in our brand new poll. And that only tells us part of the story of the President's political troubles. Let's bring in our senior political analyst Bill Schneider. Bill, how do these new numbers compare with past -- other past two-term presidents?

BILL SCHNEIDER: Wolf, let's see. At this point in their second terms, Presidents Clinton, Reagan and Eisenhower were all about 60% job approval. As you just reported, Bush is at 40. That puts him in the company of Lyndon Johnson, after a summer of urban violence and escalation in Vietnam and just above Richard Nixon in the middle of Watergate. Gulp.

—Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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I appreciate solid thinkers too

If they think my opinion is bs, then they are free to disagree with a honest debate. If they want to flame I will repond in the same manner. I tried to get respect by being polite, but I get called a troll all the same. bigtimer from what i seen just flames and does not have anything to contribute at all. I will call a truce with the flames if they do the same

What's disapproval?JDWNews

What's disapproval?

JDW

News media: Scoreboard for terrorists

If you are going to whine about spelling... get a life

Oh dont you know, that is onl

Oh dont you know, that is only used for republicans. What are you thinking?

"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. "

-Thomas Paine 1791

I found it;"The public

I found it;

"Disapproval of Congress totals 57 percent."

XX - The jpg was not here when I posted this.

JDW

News media: Scoreboard for terrorists

If you are going to whine about spelling... get a life

Like I always say, nobody rew

Like I always say, nobody rewards failure like a Liberal.

Pelosi's approval is down 5 points, down to 46%.

Now that Democrat(ic)s have taken over Congress, are we better off? Down 3 points to 39%.

How confident are you that the president and congress can work together? Down 14 points since January, to 26%.

"Like I always say, nobo

"Like I always say, nobody rewards failure like a Liberal."

Rush Limbaugh has been saying the same thing for years. Give credit when credit's due.  ;-)

Polls, Polls, Polls...This is

Polls, Polls, Polls...

This is a interesting item about polls from of all places the NYT's....

I love the last sentence, 'bout says it all for me.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/09/us/politics/09web-nagourney.html

This reminds me of an artic

This reminds me of an article I was reading in US News & World Report that was looking at the way other countries do ___ better than America. One of them was... the dutch I think on Wind Power. It noted - actually the snipt BRAGGED how 20% of the dutch's power comes from wind.

Which lead me to immediately wonder: "Where does the other 80% come from?"

There are times where I think they've become SO conditioned to look on the positive that they think "1 person likes me" rather than note the 99 that are feeling murderous rage towards them.

What I did today.

Results is what makes the dif

Results is what makes the difference and the results are not in.  Polls are pure hogwash. 

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark. -- save my gun, shoot a liberal.

If this represents an increas

If this represents an increase in approval, and the new Congress hasn't really done anything, doesn't this mean that the people like it better when Congress does nothing as opposed to when they act?

If the Republicans still held

If the Republicans still held Congress, rest assured that a 40% congressional approval rating would not be described as "Riding High" by anyone in the mainstream media.  When President Bush's approval level was hovering around 40%, I do not recall the media portraying it in a positive light at all.

liberal journalism 101

The formula:

Any stat about a democrat/liberal is good

Any stat about a republican/conservative is bad.

Who pray tell gets called f

Who pray tell gets called for these polls? I've never been called to do a poll...unless you count that toilet paper poll that turned out to be a prank phone call.

If you call most people these days, you will get their message service (me included) so who are these poll people? Good grief the dems are doing these slash and burn tactics and they are getting 40%? Sorry that dog don't hunt.

Also with the economy

Remember how the DOW busting 10K was considered a watershed moment for our great economy?

How 5% unemployemnent was so great?

We're down to 4.4% unemployment but it's not good. Most people quit looking.

The DOW is at 12K even with a couple stumbles it's still going strong. Not good, investors are "cautious".

US Economy Booming!

If bonuses handed out at financial companies are any indication, the US economy is doing just fine.

Goldman Sachs alone handed out Billions in Bonus checks back in December.

Liberal math

Liberal math;
40 > 57!!!! WTF??!!!!

"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER

40% My congradulations to the

40% My congradulations to the democrats. They accomplished in 5 months. What it took Bush 5 years to accomplish.

I said in November. We will be provided plenty of reminders, why we voted the democrats out.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

Sorry I don't see how this is biased.

The poll shows the approval for Congress has jumped 25% since the elections. That is rather remarkable for not even a half year. Bush's ratings at 40% were a low point because he once had a rating of 90%. I really don't see bias here, but i'm sure I will get all sorts of snide comments. As our great President once said "Bring it on"

Shawn, you realize that pol

Shawn, you realize that polls are opinions? They in no way reflect reality? Bush the elder had a rating of 90% right after the Gulf war but the MSM and some dumb ass named Ross Perot convinced enough Americans (like you) that things were bad enough to vote in Bubba. "Are you better off then 4 years ago". Why not ask that same question now?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Polls are pretty accurate

IMHO polls are pretty accurate. Right before Dubya won the election he was leading Kerry by 1 or 2 percentage points and from I remember, It all came down to Ohio. The mid term elections had polls showing that the Dems could take 30 or more Republican house seats. And we know what happenned there don't we? The polls have show Bush in the high twentys or low thirtys consistently for about a year now, including most FOX news polls. No I do not feel I am better off now than 4 yrs ago, and definately not better than 8 yrs ago. If you remember Clinton had a 60% approval rating for most of his 2nd term, even with the Monica scandal.

Ok shawn, how are you not b

Ok shawn, how are you not better off, after 9-11, Katrina, sunami,Iraq, ect. Under the evil dictatorship of GWB?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Not better off

Don't forget you asked me how I am not better off. So lets be clear I am not blaming all this on the President,

: Rising Medical cost

: 9 trillion dollar deficit

: We are at war

: Nucleur North Korea

: Cost more to Fly

: American dollar value is down

: Iran might soon have a nuke but we cannot do anything about it because our forces are stretched thin

: We are hated around the world

Also regarding your original response to my post can you clarify how polls do not reflect reality?

Gotta job? Pays pretty good

Gotta job?

Pays pretty good?

Paying less taxes?

Not worried about going to the Mall without gettin blown up?

Probably got HD too right?

Nice Computer? Wife too? Maybe kids got all that?

Can do pretty much what you want?

Pretty damn bad, huh?

How do polls not reflect reality:

Polls, opinion polls, are rigged by the questions to elicit a specific response from those polled. There is no such thing as a neutral poll. Every poll is payed for by somebody. There is no one trying to find the political "truth". Unlike opinion polls for products, political polls always want a positive result for the those paying for the poll. Otherwise they might spend money and not be able to use the poll! Make sense? It's about Politics kid, the most evil form of human endevor devised by man. Remember this: Politics is about one thing: getting elected or re-elected. Thats it...

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Life is okay

Yes MighyMouth, I have a decent job, a couple homes, Ok computer, 2 fairly new cars. HD.. Are you saying that if Gore was elected, I would be unemployed, no house, divorced and would be looking around for a suicide bomber every time I went to Macy's?

Polls do show political truth. Just like my example earlier. They said Dems would take around house seats and that was a politica truth right?

They had Webb and Allen in a virtual tie and that was a political truth right?

The polls said Rick Sanitorium "not sure if i spelt this right" would lose pretty big and that was a reality right?

Politicians are not the only that get polled either. Even though I disagree, most people wanted Don Imus cancelled and that became a reality right?

Would you kindly explain your

Would you kindly explain your "stream of conciousness"?

It sounds idiotic to me.

Bush Rage

Yes.  I think that if Gore had been elected, you would most definitely be looking for suicide bombers at Macy's, and probably a lot of other places as well.  Gore would have extended his boss' do nothing attitude toward the same terrorism that casued 9/11 and many more Americans would be dead right now.  It's a fact that the Presidents actions have avoided additional loss of innocent lives both home and abroad.  You will continue to ignore that fact or refuse to beleive it, which is symptomatic of Bush Rage Syndrome.

Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"

Strongly disagree Jimbo

If Gore were elected, we would not be at war. If you remember 911 happenned on Bush's watch. I gave Bush the benefit of the doubt when he was awarded the Presidency. In fact I almost voted for him. No matter what Rosy colored glasses you wear, the last 6 yrs have been the worst for American since Vietnam.

so full of $#it

shawn you are so factually full of $#it!!! Everthything you just said is BS. F'ing BS!!! Awarded the Presidency? That is SOOOOOOOO weak! God have a clue...

"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER

Factually right

From what I remember it went to the supreme court. So after they said they were not allowed to count the votes anymore Bush was award the presidency was he not?

Facts

shawn do you know what year it is? Good grief!!!

"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER

Only extremely shallow thinkers would believe that, Shawn

The Supreme Court slapped down the illegal attempts of Gore, the Florida Supreme Court and various members of the Democrat machine in Florida to steal the election.

Only extremely shallow thinkers or those blinded by ideology could conclude that meant the Presidency was "awarded."  Reading your posts is more than adequate proof of that thesis, Shawn.

shawn

It is not legal, during a national election, to recount selected counties of a state. In a state election, recounting counties is allowed. National elections, when a recount is called for, must include the state. Not a county, or selected counties, but the whole state must be recounted. This in covered by law and has been sence the Constitution was written. Al Gore knew this. He tried to pull a fast one and was slaped down for it. What he was wanting to do was Unconstitutional, and he knew it. Count the state, Bush wins, count only your dem strong holds and Gore wins. Bush was not awarded the presidency, Al Gore tried to steal it, and subvert the Constitution to do it. Ask me, that borders on treason.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

If Gore were elected--

If Gore were elected---you would be facing Mecca five times a day. The last 6 years have been tough, I concur. If your logic then states it is because Bush is President---take  a hike--specious, at best.

 I am sure that a great number of people in America believe as I do that we have remained safe since 9/11 because of Prez Bush's actions.

Are you really saying there would have been no 9/11 WTC attack if Gore was in office??? Please answer and if it is "yes", then I can hold no resonable discourse with you. Your mind is charred already.

Where ’s the coward that would not dare to fight for such a land?

Sir Walter Scott

"the last 6 yrs have

"the last 6 yrs have been the worst for American since Vietnam"

Really? In what way?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Gotta go to work

Gotta go to work MightyMouth and MisterBill we will continue this if you wish when I get back. Thank you to both of you for not flaming. Grrrman, you are borderline.

Shawn the Troll

"If Gore were elected, we would not be at war."

I must agree with you on that point.  If Gore had been elected, we would not be at war.  Just like his predecessor, he would have called an offense against this country like 9/11 a one off red herring by a few people crying out to be heard.  That, compounded with inaction of the first World Trade Center bombing, the bombing of the US Cole, and a lack of desire to take out a major terrorist like Osama Bin Laden when he had the chance, would have lead to additional atrocities I don’t think the average American can even fathom. 

How does rendering the financial district of Manhattan uninhabitable for hundreds of years sound for starters? 

Or widespread biological attacks killing thousands or even tens of thousands of American men women and children across America?

Al Gore.  You have GOT to be kidding me.  Let me ask you this – how many suitcase nukes do you think it would take to really affect global warming?

Jimbo says - "There is a fine line between freedom of speech and treason"

Shawn, my point was, that r

Shawn, my point was, that regardless of all the crap that has gone on in the last 7 years, the average american is better off because of GWB instead of your assumption: inspite of GWB. You just wont admit it. And Yes, Al Gore would have stepped on his own dick so many times after 9-11 that he would have been a one termer, like Jimmah the peanut Carter.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

shawnie...Poor baby...Whine,

shawnie...

Poor baby...

Whine, cry, sniff...blow your nose.....boo hooo...get box of kleenex out...

..blah blah blah...

.http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/09/us/politics/09web-nagourney.html

Yep BT it is time:To put a di

Yep BT it is time:

To put a diaper over his head and a bottle up his a** and send him to bed.

Reduce the U.S. Carbon Footprint.  Send Rosie to Iran.  Airforce_5_O 04/04/2007

Poor little leftist Shawnie..

Poor little leftist Shawnie...

Diaper is wet and about to get changed....

Cry some more...

Well, shawn...what about me?Y

Well, shawn...what about me?

You forgot to mention me.

Oh, sorry, I forgot.  You threw out the accusation that DaveR and I are lovers.  Pretty funny...inasmuch as we've never met.

Didn't you go crying to Noel that I called you "Oblio"?

You are pathetic.

Boo freaking hoo!

She beats the snot out of stu

She beats the snot out of stupid little trolls.

Beware shawn.

Oh, before you do that.....why don't you go cry to Noel that I called you "Oblio".

Stupid little twit.

Geesh B,Why'd you even want t

Geesh B,

Why'd you even want to throw yourself in here?

LOL!

No reason at all...what about

No reason at all...what about you?

That's charming.You've proved

That's charming.

You've proved yourself to be a mysoginsit twit.

A creep who likes to beat women.

Nice one, troll,

He's about fried along with h

He's about fried along with his side-kick Mob/Tonto ...

What do you say B?

BT,I say I am supremely tired

BT,

I say I am supremely tired, and I'm going to bed.

Blonde

What do you say to shawn228 when he is right in front of you? Nothing. You just pound his whimpy ass into a puddle after the uncalled for juvenile spew towards Blonde. Grow up kid. Typical DKos, DU, HuffPo asshat.

"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money...." MARGARET THATCHER

I though the media was biased

Hmmmm. she called me pathetic and I defended myself, but my comments are uncalled for juvenile spew. Very interesting.

Blonde, I'm confoosed.

I thought that was schmidt who said that, or is this the same troll? Did I miss a re-incarnation or something?

This republic will not survive the continued neglect of its people.- Neal Boortz.

shawn

I'm late reading up on this thread. I was relatively neutral on the argument until you posted your list of debaters instead of insulters. You are so wrong that you lost the argument. One of your named reasonable debaters has spent his entire time here insulting those who disagree with him. The others in thasame group will not be insulted by what I say because they know who I am talking about. SOOO- final answer --you lose debate---using false witness.

Bye!

Not many of those points spec

Not many of those points specifically apply to you, do they.  Anyone could cherry-pick a similar list under any administration at any time. 

Not my question, but a poll can have leading questions, not have a representative sample, be misinterpreted, etc.  Take a stats or a research class to learn more.

The change in the approval ra

The change in the approval rating is not remarkable at all, especially when so many approval polls can be so easily manipulated by the pollsters.  The media is obviously cheerleading for the Dem controlled Congress to do well, while they were doing just the opposite for Bush and the Republican Congress.  If Bush's approval ratings rise next month to 40%, do you really think the mainstream media is going to blast that he's "Riding High," or anything remotely similar?  No way.  The press is in the tank for the Dems; it's patently obvious.

In fact I do

If Bush's approval ratings rise next month to 40%, do you really think
the mainstream media is going to blast that he's "Riding High,

Actually I do. They won't say he is riding high, but if he went past 40% they would definately acknowledge it.

Shawn, it aint gonna happen

Shawn, it aint gonna happen, unless we saw OBL's head on a platter. Then that would fade and GWB would be the worlds biggest A hole again! Face it, you "people can't be pleased". Now, if you could just admit that, I might respect you.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

MM...Shawnie and Mob are old

MM...

Shawnie and Mob are old timers here I think...when they resort to the same old sexual terms when responding earlier to me and others like Blonde they are proving they are the fans over at SFN...that got kicked off here before...and that is exactly what they have been doing MM...

Same ol' Same ol' rhetoric...you would think they would be original so they could last awhile...but leftists run out of material, after-all they cannot think for themselves.

go play with some razer blades bigtimer

Have you seen me throw one insult to MM bigtimer? No I have not, because we are having a decent debate. Yes I can be sarcastic but so can MM. So since i'm such a leftist fool and you don't want to debat facts and want to throw crap, you can take your pathetic carcass somewhere else.

Thanks, Oblio.

Thanks, Oblio.

Thanks for the heads up bt.

Thanks for the heads up bt. I will deal with this tomorrow. He's already got my dander up, dissin our resident NB babes. Whatch out boys MM is gonna be on a tear!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

MM is on the way!Watch out tr

MM is on the way!

Watch out trollies.

We will see

If MM whips my behind in a debate, then thats fine. Anything is better than you bigtimer. I'm sure no matter what is said the people on this site will be as fair with me as  fans treated the Russians during the Miracle on Ice at Lake Placid.

Skatin' on thin ice shawnie..

Skatin' on thin ice shawnie...

LOL!

shawn's maturity level...0

shawn's maturity level...

0

weak bigtimer

That was weak bigtimer even by your standards. If you had a bright idea, it would be beginners luck. Oh lets try something as clever as you.

bigtimers ugliness level

infinity

Lol. Man was that ever creative

Old article

Hey Mighty Mouth,
This is an old article. It is from 05

http://abcnews.go.co...

Dec. 19, 2005 — The recent elections in Iraq and an improved economic outlook at home have shifted public support in the president's direction, lifting him from career lows in his job performance and personal ratings alike.

The president still faces significant challenges, including majority disapproval of his overall performance, substantial skepticism about the war and roughly 50-50 ratings on his personal honesty and his handling of ethics. Still, each has moved his way.

* Message Board: Weigh In

Sampling, data collection and tabulation for this poll were done by TNS.

Overall, 47 percent of Americans in this ABC News/Washington Post poll now approve of George W. Bush's work in office; 52 percent disapprove. While hardly robust, that is up from a career low 39 percent-60 percent in early November to its best in nearly six months.

The president's recent speechmaking on Iraq may have helped him. But public opinion tends to move on the basis of facts on the ground rather than political pronouncements, and the most striking change in this poll is linked to last week's successful elections in Iraq.

Perceptions of Progress in Iraq
Nov. 2 Now
Establishing a democratic government 47% 65%
Restoring civil order 44% 60%

Specifically, belief that the United States is making significant progress toward establishing a democratic government in Iraq has jumped dramatically, by 18 points, to 65 percent. A sense of progress in establishing civil order similarly is up, by 16 points, to 60 percent. Each is its best since these questions first were asked in the spring of 2004.

Moreover — in a view held by majorities across party lines — 71 percent of Americans believe the Iraqi elections have moved the United States closer to the day U.S. forces can be withdrawn. Fifty-four percent express optimism about Iraq in the year ahead, eight points more than at this time last year. And 56 percent think the United States is winning the war, a recent theme of the president's, up slightly from 51 percent in August.

Other views follow: Approval of Bush's handling of the situation in Iraq is up by 10 points to its best of his second term, 46 percent. (Again, though, more still disapprove, 53 percent.) Forty-six percent now say the war was worth fighting — still fewer than half, but up seven points. And 54 percent think the war has improved long-term U.S. security, the first majority since June — a critical change, since this is the war's chief justification.

Even with his gains, the president faces considerable skepticism. Despite his recent speeches, culminating in Sunday night's national address, 60 percent of Americans say he has not done enough to explain the reasons the United States is in Iraq and 59 percent think the administration does not have a clear plan for handling the situation there. (This poll was conducted Thursday through Sunday.) Views on the lack of a clear plan have been steady since spring 2004; what helps the president politically is that even more — 74 percent — think the Democrats in Congress don't have a clear plan for Iraq, either.

On the issue of troop deployment, six in 10 continue to oppose setting a deadline for withdrawal of U.S. forces, given the counter-position that doing so would encourage Iraqi insurgents. Support for immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces, never high, is now just 12 percent. But support for decreasing the level of U.S. troops has reached a majority for the first time.

One final result on Iraq shows its overriding importance on the national political scene: Asked, open-ended, for the most important problem for Bush and the Congress to address in the year ahead, 32 percent cite the war in Iraq, placing it far ahead of other mentions (the economy, 15 percent; health care, 11 percent; all others, in the single digits.)

Beyond Iraq

Bush's improvement extends beyond Iraq to the U.S. campaign against terrorism, where he's back in positive territory: Fifty-six percent now approve of his work on terrorism, up eight points. This rating, the cornerstone of Bush's support, had slipped below a majority for the first time last month.

Bush Ratings
Approve Disapprove
Terrorism

Ok kid, you wanna play? It'

Ok kid, you wanna play? It's late but I promise to get to you tomorrow. I must warn you within about 3 or 4 posts I can recognize a troll. So please don't f with me!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

No Troll here

I am not trying to F with anybody MM. I am just trying to have an honest debate. Hate to sound like a school kid but "they started it" :) I have to go to work early tomorrow so we will continue this tomorrow night. Good night MM.

Night, see ya tomorrow... s

Night, see ya tomorrow... sucka! :-)

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

I am just trying to have an h

I am just trying to have an honest debate.

Riiiiiiight.

Oblio.

Care to whine again?

Gee whiz I was talking abou

Gee whiz I was talking about polls, not trolls. Too bad I missed all of that. This thread went pretty much haywire. The news organizations rely way too much on polls to justify their socialist views.

Hello Blonde its Oblio.

Hello Blonde,

Blonde just wanted to let you know I come as a friend, I realize I am a troll no matter I say, but I am not here to flame you and If I appear to use a little sacrasm I apologize inadvance Ok.

Just a few quick questions, not just for you but the people of this site. I am not going to talk politics or George Bush or the Attorney General, or Scooter Libby or Secret Emails, False Evidence and.........ooops got a little carried away.lol. Don't know what came over me.

The questions are toward the people of this site. For a site that is dedicated to bashing the MSM bias, The people on this site are the most biased people on the planet. Even the ones that monitor this site. This Thread for example, during out ........ahem. Discussion You called me pathetic, a moron and of course your favorite term troll and . Oblio. bigtimer had to mention my bodily functions and attack me with personal attacks. Then he had to  pump up his hero Mighty Mouth and pretty much describes him as a phenom. You would think we seen the ressurection the Al mighty himself. Yet all the comments that have been taken out and edited are mine. Hmmmmm. Yes i believe I did a few blonde jokes but I don;t  think  they were as mean spirited as yours. I also apologize about the black eye joke. Whenever anybody does not agree with your points, you attack them pesonally and call them a troll. I mean a site that devotes itself for exposing the Liberal Media should really listen a little more shouldn't it?

Also, I really do try to listen to your point of view as well. Abortion for example. I have always been pro-choice. I saw it as a black and white situtation. Nobody should tell her what she can and not with her body. Well, I don't remember who it was but they challenged me to got to a site on aborted fetus's. It was not an easy site to see. No while I still might be pro choice, but position is started to shift a little the to the right. Anyways Blonde No hard feelings and If you still want to flame me......fire away.

Thx for listening.

Hi Oblio,Seems some of your m

Hi Oblio,

Seems some of your more, um, nasty posts have been deleted.

So remind me, what are you whining about?

If you are so appalled by the POV of the posters here, what are you doing, other than trying to be provacative?

I don't believe we were discussing abortion....but if you choose to try it on for size, go for it.  Be warned, though, I'm OOH in twenty minutes.

And if I flamed you badly last night, apologies.  I had a bad day.  But I don't generally put up with leftist provacateurs.

No hard feelings to you either, Oblio.

Bring it on.

I will bring it on Blonde

It started with a discussion about polls. Then it got moved to my bodily functions, then bigtimer warning me about how Mighty Mouth was his personal savior, then about Bush winning the Presidency, then I had to go to work. Had nothing to do with abortion, but I used that as an example about how I will listen to your point of view if you listen to mine.

Congratutations on your Gators by the way

Okay shawn,That got my attent

Okay shawn,

That got my attention (Gators!).

I won't comment about how these threads move, nor about how other posters move them.

BT and MM are respected members here...and alot of fun if you quit trying to upset them (a word of advice).

So, you can start with a topic of polite discussion, or perhaps we should move this to the open thread.

Don't forget..I'm leaving in ten (yes, I must confess, the one network show I watch is Gray's Anatomy).

BTW, I thought the Oblio thing was really funny.  Did you ever see it?

Never saw it

I never saw Oblio. I think I looked in up on net once just to see what you were referring to lol. Can you provide link? Gotta to to dinner right now. Talk to you soon:)

Shawn...I'm going to get into

Shawn...

I'm going to get into the middle of your conversation with Blonde for just a moment as you hit on a subject I am passionate about (Blonde, I hope you don't mind).

The subject of polls is something that I care deeply about, here's proof... ALL POLLING SHOULD BE IGNORED!

To answer your question before you ask, here I go...

The vast majority of Americans still get their news from the biased liberal MSM. When the liberal MSM starts reporting without bias there may be a small chance that polls will honestly reflect the true feelings of those that are polled. Plus there are many ways to screw with polling in general.

Anyway, ignore all polling until further notice!

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

Clear,No prob.I think shawn i

Clear,

No prob.

I think shawn is being sincere, well, at least I'm going to give him the chance to try to prove his sincerity.

I'm OOH for an hour or so....so see if you can prove or disprove my supposition.

Or give him the Adkins treatment!

shawn....clear is someone whom you should respect and engage in debate.  If you think conservatism might be for you.  Post and learn, Oblio.

Thanks for the thumbs up Blon

Thanks for the thumbs up Blonde.

I too have to jump off for awhile, but will return later.

The liberal MSM has become an enemy of the USA.

Hello Clear Thinker

Hello Clear thinker. Not sure if you are back yet, but I am responding to your thread. Blonde says you are one I should start a clean debate about. Yes polling can effect peoples minds out there. IMO that goes for both Republicans and Democrats. They had Arnold in California with a huge lead and he did win big, no whining on part of most of the left about that. Polls also show nobody can beat Jeb Bush as well right. Polls are not exactly right on, but they are a usually a reliable tool to determine winners of elections right? Would you say it is very rare for a poll to choose the loser in a election unless it is a real tight race?

Hey shawn,I suspect clear is

Hey shawn,

I suspect clear is OOH.

Let's take this discussion over to the open thread...so as not to derail here.  What say you?

I'll tell you about Oblio.

I'll start off...I'll title my new post to you "Oblio".

You may choose the subject.

Regarding your question about

Regarding your question about people here being biased. I opine that every site is biased. I don't know how one can measure the bias of one blog to another precisely to say this site is the worst however. I find this place has its idealogues, but there is a civility here that I have not seen at KOS, Huffington, or the Stern Fan Network.

With your conversation with others here, it is quite easy to get into a spitting contest as their are no real repercussions to expressing one's opinions on a blog. IMHO, people who post personal attacks do it to feel good. It is the danger of posting your ideas out there. People like to feel superior and let their superiority be known. (I am not singling out anybody here) So, I guess you just have to pick your moments and not be too thin-skinned if someone thinks they know more than you.

Thank you contrary

You did not have to single out anybody I will. The person who I think is a class act here is Noel Sheppard. He is a class act. The only real poster I had good dialogue with is Acumen. Then there are the ones that debate, but are willing to look on the other site , that would be ACA, Jack Bauer, and RJ. RJ and Mighty mouth are borderline, they get feisty and pouty real quick. I would rate bigtimer and Sportspolitics by far the worst. I would vote Roger the Schrubber the easiest guy to get his feeling hurt. I find Tumbler very amusing not sure what I think of him yet. Probably because he or she "i'm not sure"is not liked on many on this site which makes it funny because he or she is on your side.

shawn, I only have a few minu

shawn, I only have a few minutes but your statement of;

"For a site that is dedicated to bashing the MSM bias,"

Proves you do not have a clue as to what this site truely represents (try honing your reading comprehension skills). You may apologise to Blonde and apologise all you want to whomever, however, you have shown us your cards and we know who you are.

Stand up, be a man of your word and stick by your convictions or don't, you have to live with yourself not us...and all the apologies in the world will not change who you are, nor your innerself.

"To bad Ignorance isn't painful..."

Thx for posting JAB

I'm glad you posted. Okay this is the perfect example what it is like to try to make amends, but you have to talk about my reading comprehension skills. Thx for proving my point JAB. Have to go out now, be back soon.